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Is the team being built really suited for GABP?

When the Reds were designing GABP, baseball was in the middle of the 'steroids' era, where 'Chicks dig the long ball.'  Consequently, the original drawings had a short right-field fence, likely designed with the intention of maximizing the values of star left-handed hitters Ken Griffey Jr and Adam Dunn.  After this idea was nixed by MLB's front office, GABP was redesigned to have short fences all around.  Ever since, GABP has given up at or near to the top of HR's each year.

I tihnk the makeup of our team is wrong for this ballpark.  The Philadelphia Phillies proved last year that you can win in a HR-friendly ballpark.  Here's the type of team that would succeed at GABP, and how you can build that team on a budget.

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PITCHERS: In evaluating pitchers, I would focus on 2 characteristics: K/9 and GB/FB ratio.  I would focus on K/9 because that lowers the number of balls in play that need to be turned into outs.  The Reds were 4th in MLB in K/9 last year, and with the current makeup of the staff, could repeat this.  What killed the Reds was a BABIP that ranked near the bottom of the league, and allowing the most HRs, both of which can be addressed with the GB/FB ratio, as described below.

Due to the small dimensions of our ballpark, pitchers give up more home runs off of fly balls here than they will on the road.  In 2008, the Reds led  all of baseball in HRs given up at home, with 111 versus giving up 90 hrs on the road (9th most).  Given that we play half our games at home, it would be an advantage to give up fewer fly balls.  My first order of business would be to obtain pitchers who induce ground balls.  We currently have mainly FB pitchers, or pitchers who give up a lot of HRs (Harang, Cueto, and Arroyo).  If I were the Reds pitching coaches, I work with these guys to get downward movement on their pitches to make them less prone to the HR

HITTERS: I don't think it comes as any surprise that my preference would be to get hitters who get on base and hitters who can hit the longball to drive them in.  Without any data to back this claim up, I would think that slap hitters wouldn't succeed as well here as they may in larger ballparks because, with the outfield walls shorter here, outfielders can play a couple steps closer to the infield without worrying as much about the ball getting over their heads.  This would affect a slap hitter more than a power hitter.  Additionally, the grounds crew is going to make life hard on a slap hitter (see below).

OBP and SLG have constantly been linked to increasing run production, much more than AVG.  I would focus OBP and SLG more than AVG in my evaluation of players.

DEFENSE: With a pitching staff that induces more ground balls, and with less square feet to cover in the outfield, this team should emphasize its infield defense first.  As we learned with the Rays last year, a good defense can turn an otherwise good rotation into a fantastic one.  After enduring a season of Keppinger, Hairston, and Cabrera at shortstop, we should be able to understand the difference a good defensive shortstop makes.  The ability to turn batted balls into outs, combined with the high K/9 and improved GB/FB ratios above, would make this pitching staff succeed in GABP.

Given that we have to operate on a budget, we can't afford a player without weaknesses.  As such, I would put my defensive liabilities in the corner outfield spots.  Adam Dunn's defense cost the Reds less in GABP than it would cost the Padres, Dodgers, or A's in their respective parks for two reasons: less territory to cover, and more FB's turn into HRs anyway in GABP.  Additionally, with the new focus on GB/FB, there would be less opportunities for the team's defensive liabilities.

GROUNDS CREW: Yes, the grounds crew can get into the act of helping the Reds win as well.  Since they are in charge of grooming the field, they can choose the height of the infield and outfield grass.  Since the Reds pitchers are ground ball pitchers, longer grass is better (a la Wrigley, from what I've heard).  Since the Reds' corner outfielders aren't great covering territory, outfield grass being a little longer is helpful as well.

CONCLUSION: This needs to start in the minors.  It needs to be the mantra for management in trades, free agency signings, and drafting.  Given the signings of Willy Taveras and trade for Ramon Hernandez, I don't know that my plan is being followed.  And I worry about this team's ability to win in this ballpark as a result.

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Interesting take

Personally, I wouldn’t go after sluggers necessarily. I think you need one or two, but I’d prefer several 20+ HR potential guys (i.e. BP, EdE, Votto, etc) than a couple big 40 HR guys. This is because the home runs will take care of themselves (save for players like WIlly Taveres). It’s more important to get guys on base when those mistake home runs happen. Spread the power potential throughout the lineup and make sure everyone can get on base regularly.

Unfortunately, the Reds seem opposed to the second half of that last sentence.

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 7, 2009 5:44 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reds pitchers

Aren’t ground ball pitchers. Not sure were you got that from, but its incorrect. The Reds staff ranked 19th in GB% last year according to fan graphs, and only Edinson Volquez can be considered a GB pitcher of the entire staff last year and Bailey and Ramirez have slight GB tendencies with them as well. Owings, Cueto, Arroyo and Harang are all premiere fly ball pitchers.

Ground Ball outs and Fly Ball outs don’t give you a good idea of what kind of a pitcher a guy is. GB% does. You can check those stats at Fan Graphs for major leaguers and at Firstinning.com for minor leaguers.

by dougdirt on Jan 7, 2009 6:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My point exactly.

The Reds really don’t seem to have a team built for this ballpark.

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by JJ on Jan 8, 2009 8:33 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think when he referred to the pitchers being groundball pitchers

He meant it as at the time when his plan would be theoretically be put in place – he acknowledges tht the current staff are flyball pitchers.

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by andromache on Jan 8, 2009 9:00 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey Justin will you check out doug's GB% thing and dumb it down for me?

Mads, he is a crazy old man. Plus we have kinda had the same sabrametric evolution togeather.

Justin

by Madville on Jan 7, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Keep the ball on the ground

I agree with this post 100%. I always felt Krivsky agreed and tried to build the club around his park. Volquez and Gonzalez were great examples. Imagine how good of a year Volquez would have had last year if EdE and Hairston/Keppinger didn’t reside on the left side of the infield. Jocketty doesn’t seem concerned in the least. Hairston back as SS, Taveras in CF, Owings as SP #5 and unwillingness to dish out $8 – $10 Million for Burrell.

by Stock on Jan 7, 2009 7:17 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've always thought a good sinkerball pitcher would be a good fit at GABP

Brandon Webb at Great American… whew…

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by crolfer on Jan 7, 2009 7:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or Derek Lowe

but that aint happenin’ neither.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 7, 2009 7:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but the bottom could drop out for Lowe at any minute.

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.

by justin007000 on Jan 7, 2009 7:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

isn't that the idea for a sinkerball pitcher?

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 7, 2009 7:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well played

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.

by justin007000 on Jan 7, 2009 7:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brandon Webb anywhere

whew

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.

by justin007000 on Jan 7, 2009 7:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They'd have to improve the infield defense dramatically for a pitcher like that to be successful.

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 7, 2009 7:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how did this happen?

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Jan 7, 2009 9:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh it's S I Y D E

sneaky!

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by chandrathan on Jan 7, 2009 9:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's hard to tell, but that second letter is an I not an L

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Jan 7, 2009 9:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is this new SIyde

anything like this Spock?

"I'm standing at the plate thinking, Where are my hands? Where's this, where's that? Before I know it, the pitch is there and I'm completely out of rhythm." -
-- Adam Dunn

by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Jan 7, 2009 10:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clever one

I’ve been around the world for a while and thought it funny to change my name.

by SIyde on Jan 7, 2009 10:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

justin hates you

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Jan 7, 2009 10:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

peer presure

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.

by justin007000 on Jan 7, 2009 10:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

this is not going to work.

Good effort though. Even confused me at first.

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 7, 2009 10:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is sIyde still a member of this board?

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by justin007000 on Jan 7, 2009 10:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll delete

and revert back my normal name.

by SIyde on Jan 7, 2009 10:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's cool

it gave me a pretty good chuckle. Freaked me out for a second too. :)

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 7, 2009 10:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That guy was a complete genius

I wish I was as smart and as good looking as that dude

by buckeye22fox on Jan 7, 2009 10:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no, that's not the real Slyde.

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 7, 2009 10:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know it was you.

I’m just telling you that the real Slyde is the good looking one :)

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 7, 2009 10:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and see all the confusion you've caused????

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 7, 2009 10:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ahhh

I’m a little slow coming back to this blog stuff. Been awhile.

by buckeye22fox on Jan 7, 2009 10:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it has

you’ve come back just in time to see another losing season. thank god you made it.

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 7, 2009 10:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was quite awesome to see that

the Reds only want to play 2 outfielders this year.

by buckeye22fox on Jan 7, 2009 10:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd keep the ID around

just in case you-know-who comes back. He did that over at Fay’s blog.

"You are not my ass." - Reynard

by BK on Jan 7, 2009 10:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

it doesn’t need to be deleted. And I know who you are on the back-end and I don’t expect any trouble. Heck, it’d probably make for a pretty good prank in the future. It just won’t work as a regular handle. I might go insane. :)

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by Slyde on Jan 7, 2009 10:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

go?

sorry really i only do this as a shtick now.

I have learned a lot from you, but I just can’t quit being mean to you.

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.

by justin007000 on Jan 7, 2009 10:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know who you are on the back-end

this for some reason was very funny to me

by sharks on Jan 8, 2009 5:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the wording was not unintentional

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 8, 2009 6:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey now, what you two do in your spare time is your own business

by sharks on Jan 9, 2009 5:01 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

id say they balance out

to about average. BP and Votto are excellent, but EdE and SS were the worst 3B/SS combo in the league last year. i dont even have to look that up.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 7, 2009 9:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

someday we'll have webb

he’ll want to “come home”. but he’ll probably be 40 years old when we get him.

by Daedalus on Jan 8, 2009 12:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It hurts so bad to know you're probably right

But I’ll put the age at 34 when we sign him to a four year deal and watch him fall off a cliff.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Jan 8, 2009 12:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This seems very sensible.

My only comment would be many of the things that you mentioned (high K/9, OBP, home-run power, strong defense) are more or less what you want on your team regardless of your ballpark.

I wonder if there is any correlation in the past of successful teams building on their ball park’s strengths.

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by andromache on Jan 8, 2009 10:19 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just shootin' from memory

but didn’t the Cardinals do that for the entire ’80s.

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by Pops Daniels on Jan 8, 2009 10:23 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Twins?

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Jan 8, 2009 10:39 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 1995 Rockies were built for Coors Field

Andres Galarraga, Vinny Castilla, Dante Bichette, Larry Walker, Ellis Burks.

I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 8, 2009 12:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lot of good that did them.

their pitching wasn’t built for that place, that’s for sure.

by Daedalus on Jan 8, 2009 1:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 1995 Rockies made the playoffs

Expecting anything more in the crapshoot that is a best-of-5 series would be a very Bankee$ Fan stance.

I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 8, 2009 2:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nope

The Dodgers.

Last night MLBN reviewed the 1995 season. The did a long segment on the ALDS between the Yankees and Mariners because it was an awesome series. The rest of the playoff series were barely mentioned. The only clip of the Reds was to show them being beaten by the Braves. Any guesses of what the only clip for the Reds was?

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 8, 2009 3:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

indeed

laughed my ass off

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 8, 2009 3:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

because it was an awesome series

and because it was the Bankee$.

I also don’t remember a lot of that season because I was so pissed off about the strike that my heart wasn’t fully into it. That and I had just started my freshman year of college, so I had other preoccupations.

by Daedalus on Jan 8, 2009 3:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think that it was necessarily because it was the Yankees

The episode focused predominately on Cal Ripken, the return from the strike, and the Braves & Indians. I’m not sure if they even mentioned the Yankees until the playoffs. And the overriding theme of the segment on that series was how the win saved baseball in Seattle. Well that and the fact that Mattingly was playing his first series and that Griffey and Unit were monsters.

I was impressed with the entire episode. I felt like it really focused on the the main stories. Heck, the Red Sox won the division and barely got a mention outside of Mo Vaughn’s MVP. There was considerably more time given to the Rockies, who only won a wild card.

I’m much more optimistic about the network after watching it last night. It was finally programming worth watching, IMO.

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by Slyde on Jan 8, 2009 3:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, i'm just exaggerating

i’ve watched a bit everyday, and with the exception of one day when everything was red sox, i’ve been happy with it. not so much the hot stove talking heads, but the other programming. i liked the show they had on seattle the other day – it was like a travel show (my kind of thing) for baseball cities. and i liked their Prime 9 program – I saw top centerfielders and top home runs the other day.

by Daedalus on Jan 8, 2009 4:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Magraine gives me a migrane, so to speak

He’s so damn smug in a Steve Garvey sort of way. Last night, he was talking about how great Cito Gaston was for the Jays last season because he “got them away from this on base percentage business and made them swing the bats.” He said some other stupid shit about when you try to work the count, you find yourself down 0-2 and then you’re on the defensive, make yourself a weapon or some bullshit like that. Typical nonsense. Harold Reynolds is much more annoying than I remember as well. By comparison Wild Thing looks like a Rhodes Scholar.

by Pops Daniels on Jan 8, 2009 4:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would've guessed empty seats

That’s my memory of those playoffs, was empty seats in the upper deck. I guess that and Reggie Sanders sucking.

"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey

by JJ on Jan 8, 2009 3:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

too bad i wasn't older

or i would have went. My parents did want me out so late on a school night in third grade.

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by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 3:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

like if i would have had a drivers liscense in 1995

i would have been like this is amazing, playoff baseball and I can even buy tickets.

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.

by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 4:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome

I tivo’d it and am saving it for later when I’m bored with the BCS game.

by Brian B on Jan 8, 2009 9:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I remember

the Reds played really terribly against the Rockies all season, so the local pundits thought it was to Cincinnati’s advantage to play Atlanta.

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by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 3:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Padres could build a team based around FB pitchers

and still have quite a bit of success in their ballpark.

"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey

by JJ on Jan 8, 2009 12:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is there a correlation between FB% and K%

in other words, do power pitchers tend to give up more flyballs (I wouldn’t know why they would, other then it would fit my and JJ’s hypothesis).

It would also mean that they’d need some flycatcher OFs…Jody Gerut is not the answer, defensively. There may be something said for Mike Cameron to that pitching staff.

All in all, the team that “cracks” defensive ratings is going to have a HUGE advantage going fowards. It’ll be how teams can upgrade very quickly very cheaply, and for now, scouting definitely has the advantage over ratings, I think.

But I mean real scouting…I don’t think any Baseball Man thinks Keppinger is the answer at SS, just melanin-phobe, checking-sources-phobe writers.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Jan 8, 2009 6:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Power pitchers tend to pitch up in the zone?

So when the batter does make less-than-ideal contact he’s likely to put it in the air?

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by jch24 on Jan 8, 2009 8:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tell that to Carlos Zambrano

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by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 8:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd agree..

I’ve been thinking this for the past couple of months or so. We’ve never picked up pitchers that really fit to this park since it has been build and now it just seems like we are getting further away from putting an offense in the dugout to take advantage.

 I have a feeling we are going to see the HR’s for and against at GABP really favor the opposition (not to mention run differential.) I am one for big offense and not scrappy slap hitting.

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by snohio on Jan 8, 2009 10:59 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Corey Lidle and Paul Wilson relied on sinkerballs

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by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 3:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

During the '08 season Aaron Harang had a few thoughts

about simple ways the Reds could redesign GABP in order to cut down on some of the home runs.

If the Reds really do commit to a “small ball” lineup (God help us), I think it would at least behoove them to help themselves by implementing a few changes to the park.

I thought I originally read Harang’s comments in a piece that made them the center of the article, but all I could find with a quick search was an addendum to a story about Dusty’s take on video replay (which is predictably fascinating):

Homers leave the ballpark with great frequency at GABP, one of the least pitcher-friendly parks in the league. Calls especially could come into question in right field, where fans in the front row could have the ability to reach out and interfere with a baseball at the wall.

Some Reds pitchers already are frustrated with the ease that home runs leave the ballpark in right field, which has an eight-foot fence, compared to the 12-foot fence in left.

“Take out the first two rows and make the fence as high as it is in left field,” Harang suggested. “If you take out two rows and make the wall higher, you don’t even have to push it back, per se. You can have that plateau where fans can’t reach over to get those balls. Then you’re just adding concrete to level it off or put a flower bed up there.”

Harang hasn’t brought up his idea to Reds owner Bob Castellini, but he would consider it.

“Raise that wall in center field a little bit more and run it all the way over to end where the [right-field] bullpen is,” Harang said. “You’re going to save your pitchers alone at least 20 homers and possibly 30 runs less.”

Here’s the link.

I thought I also read Harang or someone else arguing that GABP has a large draft from the concourse behind home plate that really pushes balls out to centerfield. Anyone remember where that came from?

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by Man Mountain on Jan 8, 2009 11:25 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Having been there a lot

There’s definitely a wind tunnel effect from the concourse on the 1B side out to CF. It can make good seats for an early season game fucking miserable.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Jan 8, 2009 12:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But...

what about Small Ball?!?!?

We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.

by Gray on Jan 8, 2009 11:48 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe if we start a 'who dey revolution' type club, we can raise money

to rent a cement truck and do it ourselves!

"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey

by JJ on Jan 8, 2009 12:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or

we can buy a bunch of urinal cakes stamped “Jim Bowden 2003” stamped on them and place them all over the park.

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by Pops Daniels on Jan 8, 2009 1:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds delicious

Probably smells good in an oven too.

by buckeye22fox on Jan 8, 2009 4:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also
the original drawings had a short right-field fence, likely designed with the intention of maximizing the values of star left-handed hitters Ken Griffey Jr and Adam Dunn.

There was no mention of Dunn when the park was on the drawing board. Believe it or not it was Sean Casey who was supposed to take advantage of the short porch.

by Red Menace on Jan 8, 2009 4:46 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's right.

His warning track power was supposed to pay off. Then he just started hitting it to second base for a GIDP.

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by snohio on Jan 8, 2009 5:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Sorry, but the last good cleanup hitter is now off the market.
Juan Castro signed a minor league contract with the Dodgers that included an invitation
to spring training.

I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 8, 2009 5:14 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they just want him to retire a Dodger

the proper way.

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by Slyde on Jan 8, 2009 5:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or perhaps they nostalgically yearn for someone to remind them of Cesar Izturis' SLG %.

I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 8, 2009 5:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and andruw jones'

All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.

by Man Mountain on Jan 8, 2009 5:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just want to congratulate Petey and MM

on some awesome apostrophe usage.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Jan 8, 2009 6:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank's!

I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 8, 2009 7:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depending on the style book

my apostrophe use could be correct or incorrect.

All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.

by Man Mountain on Jan 8, 2009 7:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who's style book say's what?

I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck

by PeteyHendrix on Jan 8, 2009 7:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Am I missing something here?

So we need a pitcher who gets ground balls and strikes out a lot of batters, good defense, and hitters who hit for power . . . you think this might just work?

Is there a park where these players make up a shitty team?

by Brian B on Jan 8, 2009 9:11 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

brian b i like the sounds of your plan

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Jan 8, 2009 9:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

Well, Chien-Ming Wang gets a lot of groundouts…but he doesn’t strike out a lot of batters. Jason Giambi was a millstone when Wang pitched. And indoor stadiums with their fast turf are difficult, too.

A pitcher like Wang might be a good fit for GABP. The Yankees never thought he’d amount to much. They tried to trade him, but no one wanted him. They let him pitch in the Olympics, which they would never do with a pitcher they valued. He used to throw 8 or 10 pitches, and they asked him to cut it down to four. One of the ones they kept was that heavy, 96 mph sinker that became his signature pitch.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 8, 2009 9:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe the red reporter tag line should be

“Red Reporter: Proudly providing in depth Yankees analysis you won’t find on any other Reds blog”

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Jan 8, 2009 9:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stop picking fights....

pigfucker.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Jan 8, 2009 9:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

He’s never going to catch up in the kid department that way.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 8, 2009 10:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

you know

BK’s post about profane language wasn’t a challenge to you.

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 8, 2009 10:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It wasn't?

Fine, I’ll stop. :)

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Jan 8, 2009 10:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I knew you'd love it

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by BubbaFan on Jan 8, 2009 10:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Small Ball and the and tha fall of the ball

yeah pitching defensively is the right thing to do.look at the Rockies.they knew that is the answer and they made it far a couple of seasons ago.they just needed more offense..As far as the team built for this park i am in agreement of that they need a few more key pieces to fill crucial holes to be more compatible with the park.the reds do have two young guys that can put the ball in right field seats.,but what is the plate appearances to home runs ratio.Dunn has the best right now in baseball.i really hate to say it ,but resigning Dunn maybe a good answer.if we can trade Edwin E for a better right handed bat and defensive infielder maybe a better stacked team.Ta-virus is a decent lead off and when he does get on need the big fly to get him home.do the Reds have the consistency to do so is the main question?I don’t know maybe someone has a better insight on the makeup of the batters.

the pitching is really yet to be desired of for this park.yeah way to many fly ball outs.and terrible signings of a couple of years ago with Eric Milton and juan what’s his name.fly ball pitchers.the other writers are right sinker ball pitchers are needed.They did try with getting Fogg and Affeldt last season.Can we get at least one pitcher to take the reigns as the Ace of the staff and have at least less than a 4.00 era.to give our batters a little easier to catch up or even lead a game more times than they did last season.

"Read it and Weep" Slyde is right!

by image21972 on Jan 8, 2009 9:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude

You gotta do something about the punctuation/paragraph breaks. I hear Justin is available for tutoring. Now to the meat of your post:

- The Reds could do well with pitching defensively, but they need a good defense first. Especially on the side of the field most balls end up.

- Dunn is not going to come back. Anyone who believes otherwise is a damned fool. (ashtoothpicklovechild)

- Taveras is NOT a decent leadoff hitter by any definition. If he plays over his head or magically learns to take a walk maybe, but I’m willing to bet against that right her, right now.

- I agree that is we could trade EdE or someone else for a good defensive RH 3B (Beltre) we’d be a much better team. I’ve commited all my positive thoughts to this happening after I read The Secret.

- We’d do great with a good groundball pitcher. Better yet a couple of them. Problem is they’re few and far between.

I don’t know what the answer is for this team. I really hope they figure out how to field a hope-inspiring team before I lose emotional interest like I did with the Bengals.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Jan 8, 2009 9:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i even have a hard time reading that

like i feel like i at least format my posts so they make sense.

I like a paragraph break.

Maybe he is writing a telegram, and the periods mean “Stop”.

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.

by justin007000 on Jan 8, 2009 9:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So maybe its a tad ambitious

but given the fact that free agent prices have fallen so much, is it too much to think about an offer to Orlando Hudson? He and BP were apparently roommates in the minors/winter leagues before and are good friends, and he might be able to be signed for much more reasonable a price than once thought. BP would have to play short, and EE/Hairston/Dickerson/Kepp would have to platoon at 3B and LF, but it would definitely improve our defense for years to come, and would add a solid right handed bat.

I’m just sayin.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 8, 2009 10:04 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

But I think the Reds are reluctant to move BP, for god knows what reason.

Love the username, BTW.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Jan 8, 2009 10:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gold Gloves get mad love

I’ll be more concerned about Dusty’s reluctance to move him in the lineup.

by Brendanukkah on Jan 9, 2009 10:27 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hi, hello, and welcome

your username is awesome

"You are not my ass." - Reynard

by BK on Jan 8, 2009 10:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

It’s weird because O-Dawg rumors have been quiet this off-season. He was supposed to get loads of cash once Mark Ellis signed. I wonder if the Reds could snag him for a good deal, even if just a one year deal. That would allow two things to happen. (1) See if BP can play SS for an extended period of time and (2) See if Valaika can play SS well enough to do so in the bigs. If one of those two doesn’t work, then the failure plays 2B in 2010. If both work, then well, I guess BP goes back to 2B.

I guess the issue is if Hudson wants a multi-year deal. The Reds may end up paying for positions they have filled in the long term, theoretically.

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 8, 2009 10:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true

but it also gives us several players who could be potential trade bait in 09 or 10 that could land us whichever part we need. If we can get him for a 2yr deal, I’m all for it, and given what other solid players have been getting, I’m not sure he’ll get much more.

Like NFL draft boards, you take (sign) the best available rather than to fill a position sometimes. We need a bat, and it could potentially allow for the likely weak production from the combined Tahairdick (I hope that sticks) portion of our lineup with a solid right handed bat and improved defense.

And for the record, Kevin Mitchell is my hero.

And he’s Batman.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 8, 2009 10:36 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also for the record

Awesomeness of name does not prohibit me from asking you to please use the reply button. kthx.

by Brendanukkah on Jan 9, 2009 10:28 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and

was once traded for Dave Burba. Ouch.

by Kevin Mitchell is Batman on Jan 8, 2009 10:43 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

N00Bs..

But seriously, welcome aboard!

Education is what you get from reading the directions. Experience is what you get from not reading them.

by snohio on Jan 12, 2009 11:50 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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