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I wanted to post the link to David Zirin's website were he reports the intersection of sports and politics. Right now he has a really good interview with Alonzo Mourning and also an article about a spontaneous protest against the Israeli invasion of Gaza that erupted at a pro basketball game in Turkey this week. Isreal/Palestine is not ever a simple or pretty discussion, but I am a little surprised that we have been absolutely silent here about the atrocities that have occurred in Gaza recently.

9 months ago Images-3_tiny Verka Serduchka 6 comments 0 recs  | 

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Thanks, Verka!

I’ve heard Dave on XM 167, where he is funny, current and insightful. It’s nice to find the online site.

Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you.

by "Red" Moskau on Jan 25, 2009 8:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

regarding Israel/Palestine:

they’re just wrong for each other.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 25, 2009 8:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It seems like if it were just about

people of different religions trying to live together they would have figured this out a while back. I think the the history of outside involvement and geo-political interests, namely those of the UK and the USA set these two groups on a collision course that won’t be resolved until the interests of the people of these groups are made the priority and not western control over the middle east.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Jan 25, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah

i was just being a smartass.

i dont see any possible outcome that could be accepted by both sides. the level of animosity and the absolute opposition of interests are almost unprecedented. it’s such a simple problem (Thunderdome) that there can be no meaningfully peaceful solution.

my wifes’ uncles are pretty standard informed conservative Jews, and the levels of Zionism they can reach are pretty surprising. when we discuss this stuff, it always humbles me to hear just how intractable their views are on the situation. and i think to myself: if a pair of middle-class Jews in central Ohio who’ve never been to Israel can think like this, what chance do the cooler heads have at prevailing?

there’s a level at which religion, geopolitics, and colonialism fall by the wayside and it very simply boils down to two peoples who want the same thing. it’s zero-sum. i guess we can hope a 2-state solution can be hammered out and the worst we see is tenuous peace sprinkled with sporadic terrorism, but is that really a victory?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 26, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is a bleak and forbodeing future that you're laying out Charlie

Thousands of years of tribal animosity can’t be wrong………

Dear God please make tHommy get better…..

by Madville on Jan 27, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

for agreeing with me.

One of my best buddies went on a trip to Israel this winter sponsored by ZOA: Zionist Organization of America. He’s not particularly ideologist, but he’s down for a free trip. And it scared the holy hell out of him. If it wasn’t for US and Saudi interests conflicting over it, and if it wasn’t for billions of dollars of US-made weaponry being sent to Israel every year, it’d be a lot different.

I’m fairly pro-Israel and right-to-exist and all of that good stuff, but it kinda sickens me when I talk to folks who work for Northrop and Lockheed and talk about how great Gaza and Georgia are for business.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Jan 28, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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