Community Prospect Rankings: #12
by BK on Jan 15, 2009 4:17 PM EST
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Devin Mesoraco is your number 11 prospect. Who's 12? A couple more names added to the list.
Ramon Ramirez, RHSP:
John Sickels rank: 11
Redsminorleagues rank: 17
Age: 26
Draft/Acquisition Details: Signed out of Venezuela
Highest Level Played: MLB
2008 Statistics:
Chattanooga (AA): 11 G, 46.0 IP, 41 H, 15 BB, 52 SO, 4.70 ERA, 1.22 WHIP
Louisville (AAA): 19 G, 99.1 IP, 76 H, 42 BB, 93 SO, 3.08 ERA, 1.19 WHIP
Cincinnati (MLB): 5 G, 27.0 IP, 17 H, 11 BB, 21 SO, 2.67 ERA, 1.04 WHIP
Zach Stewart, RHRP:
John Sickels rank: 7
Redsminorleagues rank: 8
Age: 22
Draft/Acquisition Details: 3rd round (pick 84), Reds, 2008
Last Level Played: A+ (Sarasota)
2008 Statistics:
Texas (College): 20 G, 3 GS, 47 IP, 48 H, 21 BB, 43 SO, 4.98 ERA, 1.47 WHIP
Dayton (A): 11 G, 16.1 IP, 10 H, 3 BB, 13 SO, 0.55 ERA, 0.80 WHIP
Sarasota (A+): 13 G, 16.2 IP, 16H, 11BB, 23 SO, 1.62 ERA, 1.62 WHIP
Carlos Fisher, RHRP:
John Sickels rank: 19
Redsminorleagues rank: 13
Age: 25
Draft/Acquisition Details: 15th round (pick 450), Padres, 2001
Last Level Played: AAA (Louisville)
2008 Statistics:
Chattanooga (AA): 36 G, 50.2 IP, 52 H, 20 BB, 46 SO, 3.73 ERA, 1.42 WHIP
Louisville (AAA): 14 G, 17.1 IP, 14H, 9BB, 21 SO, 1.04 ERA, 1.33 WHIP
Matt Maloney, LHSP:
John Sickels rank: 13
Redsminorleagues rank: 29
Age: 24
Draft/Acquisition Details: 3rd round (pick 97), Phillies, 2005. Acquired in trade for Kyle Lohse.
Last Level Played: AAA (Louisville)
2008 Statistics:
GCL Reds (Rk): 1 G, 5.2 IP, 1 H, 0 BB, 9 SO, 0.00 ERA, 0.18 WHIP
Louisville (AAA): 25 G, 25 GS, 140.1 IP, 143 H, 39 BB, 132 SO, 4.68 ERA, 1.30 WHIP
Robert Manuel, RHRP:
John Sickels rank: 18
Redsminorleagues rank: 26
Age: 25
Draft/Acquisition Details: Signed as undrafted FA, Mets, 2005. Acquired in trade for Dave Williams.
Last Level Played: AAA (Louisville)
2008 Statistics:
Sarasota (A+): 4 G, 7.2 IP, 5 H, 3 BB, 11 SO, 0.00 ERA, 1.04 WHIP
Chattanooga (AA): 47 G, 77 IP, 47 H, 15 BB, 92 SO, 1.40 ERA, 0.81 WHIP
Louisville (AAA): 1 G, 2 IP, 2 H, 0 BB, 0 SO, 0.00 ERA, 1.00 WHIP
Dallas Buck, RHSP:
John Sickels rank: 17
Redsminorleagues rank: 33
Age: 24
Draft/Acquisition Details: Drafted 3rd round (pick 86), Diamondbacks, 2006. Acquired in trade for Adam Dunn.
Last Level Played: A+ (Sarasota/Visalia)
2008 Statistics:
South Bend (A-): 9 G, 45.2 IP, 44 H, 10 BB, 24 SO, 3.94 ERA, 1.18 WHIP
Visalia (A+): 1 G, 5 IP, 3 H, 1 BB, 4 SO, 0.00 ERA, 0.80 WHIP
Sarasota (A+): 3 G, 13 IP, 9 H, 4 BB, 9 SO, 4.15 ERA, 1.00 WHIP
Zach Cozart, SS:
John Sickels rank: NR
Redsminorleagues rank: 15
Age: 23
Draft/Acquisition Details: Drafted 2nd round (pick 79), Reds, 2007
Last Level Played: A- (Dayton)
2008 Statistics:
Dayton (A-): 109 G, 418 AB, .280/.330/.457
Danny Dorn, OF:
John Sickels rank: 16
Redsminorleagues rank: 9
Age: 24
Draft/Acquisition Details: Drafted 32nd round (pick 954), Reds, 2006
Last Level Played: AA (Chattanooga)
2008 Statistics:
Sarasota (A+): 5 G, 20 AB, .250/.286/.500
Chattanooga (AA): 98 G, 336 AB, .277/.367/.539
Juan Duran, OF:
John Sickels rank: 21
Redsminorleagues rank: 11
Age: 17
Draft/Acquisition Details: Signed out of D.R.
Last Level Played: Dominican Summer League
2008 Statistics:
DSL Reds (DSL): 41 G, 135 AB, .215/.340/.319
Yorman Rodriguez, OF:
John Sickels rank: 20
Redsminorleagues rank: 16
Age: 16
Draft/Acquisition Details: Signed out of D.R.
Last Level Played: NA
2008 Statistics:
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Chris Heisey, OF:
John Sickels rank: 14
Redsminorleagues rank: 23
Age: 24
Draft/Acquisition Details: Drafted 17th round (pick 504), Reds, 2006
Last Level Played: AA (Chattanooga)
2008 Statistics:
Sarasota (A+): 117 G, 436 AB, .287/.381/.438
Chattanooga (AA): 19 G, 79 AB, .316/.341/.494
Sean Henry, OF:
John Sickels rank: 15
Redsminorleagues rank: 38
Age: 23
Draft/Acquisition Details: Drafted 20th round (pick 584), Mets, 2004. Acquired in trade for Jeff Conine.
Last Level Played: AA (Chattanooga)
2008 Statistics:
Sarasota (A+): 10 G, 41 AB, .293/.370/.415
Chattanooga (AA): 113 G, 396 AB, .285/.361/.455
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Danny Dorn
again……….
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 15, 2009 4:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
TT has me sold on Z. Stewart
that and he is in both sickels and rml top 10
by jacob brumfield on Jan 15, 2009 4:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think we might be undervaluing Z-Stew a little bit
but dammit, Dorn’s still up there. He OPS’d .906 in Chattanooga last year!
"You are not my ass." - Reynard
by BK on Jan 15, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
here lies the beauty of the Reds farm right now
there is a dogfight for the 12th best prospect between a guy with a minor league career OPS north of .900 and an ’08 3rd round pick flame thrower with lights-out closer potential. breathe it in.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 15, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
smells good
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Jan 15, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"I'm going to be honest"
“That smells like pure gasoline”
"Here's to you, Mr. Ceremonial First First Pitch Thrower Outer"
by jmgard6 on Jan 15, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*huffing*
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 16, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Amen brother.
Ilke Dorn, but Stewart has shutdown potential. I love his arm.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jan 15, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and the video evidence sharks posted last poll
is mouthwatering. The late movement on his fastball is ohhhh so good.
by jacob brumfield on Jan 15, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
on the topic of prospects
Reds.com has a write-up on Juan Francisco (Nino Destructor) and his conquest of the DWL. this particular passage caught my eye:
"Baseball America rated him with the best power and as the best defensive third baseman in the Florida State League. He was also ranked the Reds’ No. 8 prospect on its most recent list. "
i had not until this heard that his defense was anything more than average. this really changes my view of him as a prospect and especially as a 3B. i had considered him the odd man out in the glut of 3B/1B/LF prospects we have, but if his defense is as good as BA apparently says it is, then i am considerably more excited about him than i was before.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 15, 2009 4:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
apparently his arm is his best defensive tool, strong and accurate.
maybe he can give EdE some tips when he has a break between destroying children
by jacob brumfield on Jan 15, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Defense
Trust me….
Francisco isn’t the best defensive third baseman in the FSL and he isn’t going to be the best defensive 3B in the Reds system after next year I would bet. He has a very good arm. Thats all. His range is below average and his glove isn’t anything special. I would put my money on Todd Frazier to be the better defender soon and I don’t think he is all that great over there defensively either.
by dougdirt on Jan 15, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How does Soto rate defensivly?
better than Frazier and Kiddo Killer?
by jacob brumfield on Jan 15, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Soto
has a good arm, but needs work with his feet over there. His range is alright now, but its thought if he grows some that he won’t be able to stick at 3B.
by dougdirt on Jan 15, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its something that has been viewed as an option
But I think right now the hope is to see him develop his skills at 3B
by dougdirt on Jan 15, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Very strong arm. Limited range. Footwork needs to improve. If he hits the way he has this winter, however, he can be “playable” on defense and get by.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jan 15, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so what's the deal with BA then?
i had always considered them a pretty reliable resource, but if they are rating someone’s defensive acumen based solely on arm strength i may have to reconsider that position.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 15, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll go with stewart, tough to pick against dorn, but the upside/tools are there for stewart more than dorn.
however, I have both dorn and stewart ahead of roenicke, dickerson, and thompson on my list.
by sharks on Jan 15, 2009 5:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I think a lot of votes were made on who will have the soonest impact rather than the greatest impact
by jacob brumfield on Jan 15, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're absolutely correct..
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jan 15, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"greatest impact"
I genuinely like how you’ve framed the qualification here. If that’s what we’re going for here, then Stewart is probably the biggest impact player on the list.
Prior to reading this framing, I was actually leaning toward Robert Manuel, which is far from a popular pick. His devastatingly low WHIP of 0.865 last year at 3 levels is eye-popping, and it’s 1.100 for his career. The guy pitched 185 innings over the last 2 years, allowing only 5 homers. His career K:BB ratio is a staggering 6:1. His control is good that he averages one wild pitch per year. One. When it comes to keeping guys off the bases, few in our system have done a better job recently.
But he’ll turn 25 around the all-star break, and he’s a RHRP, so when it comes to impact, it’s hard to see him having much in that role. So I’m pretty convinced that Stewart has my vote for this survey.
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 16, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree regarding impact
Stewart is a future closer, for sure. he could potentially be an incredibly useful arm from the ‘pen. but bullpen pitchers have a pretty low ceiling in terms of overall value. 70 innings a year, even at the level of a lights-out elite closer, is only worth about 4 WAR. that’s nothing to sneeze at, but a good LF can eclipse that pretty easily and with more regularity. LF are much less volatile than relievers.
i picked Dorn because i think his bat is good enough and his glove is adequate enough that he could be a regular LF. even an average LF is worth more than a good reliever. Stewart would have to turn into one of the best closers in the league to beat that. he could do it, but i’ll place my trust in the hope that Dorn becomes a decent LF.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 16, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I got love for Dorn
They’re both worthy of being #12. But there are reasons for hesitation: 24 is old for AA, and I am not confident that his .906 OPS in AA will translate to better than .826 (starting corner OF avg OPS since ’00) at the MLB level.
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 16, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dorn's age
Dorn was 23 for more than half of his AA season. He played April, May, June and 3 weeks of July as a 23 year old in AA. He played a week of July and August as a 24 year old in AA. So really, he isn’t old for AA, his birthday just falls in a funny spot.
by dougdirt on Jan 16, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not as funny a spot for a birthday as Sept. 2, 1991
Now THAT is a funny spot for a birthday. Kudos to Miller and Arias.
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 16, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for as much shit as we give this team
the front office has been good finding loopholes in the rules. Another example is Bobby Livingston (not a real impact player) but the Reds got him because he was claimed off waivers and immediately traded to the Phillies (i think, which is not allowed.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 16, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i picked dorn
but my gut still tells me stewart, rodriguez and duran are better prospects
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on Jan 15, 2009 6:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
dorn...
only because I promised last time. The wunderkinds and Stewart’s stuff very much excite me.
by Snake the Jake on Jan 15, 2009 8:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what are the odds that Buck will be in Louisville by the end of next year?
I realize he lost a year to injury, but I would like to see him make a fast climb.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 16, 2009 7:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I voted Dorn
Something tells me he’s outplaying his potential. But that kinda impresses me too.
by Brian B on Jan 17, 2009 10:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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