What about Michael Young???

by nighthawk32 on Jan 12, 2009 7:09 AM EST Comment 50 comments

Okay, I just read that Young wants out of Texas because they want him to move to 3b. We obviously are still interested in a SS and Young has been an All-Star player for awhile. Is he a good fit for us and would we be willing to put together a package of young prospects to get him?

What do you guys think? He won a GG this year and is good offensively.

Just looking for thoughts.

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His gold glove was debatable

His was -4 runs on defense, according to UZR, so he’s not really a wizard defensively. That being said, he’d still be an upgrade on defense, at least over Keppinger.

Offensively, he’s good, but again, not a world-beater. He’d be a solid addition to the lineup and would probably be battling BP and Edwin to be the best RHB on the team, though I expect Edwin to push beyond the other two this season.

The problem is that he makes $16M annually for the next 5 years, so he’d be the highest paid player on the team over that span, easily. Given that he’s 32 and plays a prime defensive position, I don’t think his prospects of being viable at that spot over the long term are that good.

With the cost it will take to get him, plus what they’ll have to pay him, I don’t think he’s a very good option for the Reds.

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by Slyde on Jan 12, 2009 8:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

we should trade for him and put him at third….

by sharks on Jan 12, 2009 8:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

His defense

is way, way overrated. Jeter-esque. And, if the team is not pulling the trigger on older guys at the expense of prospects, there is no real fit here. He would want to play short, and he is no longer suited for the position. Pass.

by Pops Daniels on Jan 12, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

one quibble

I’d argue that he’s better suited for the position now than he was 3 years ago. He was dreadful at SS when he first started playing there. Now he is merely awful. Progress!

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by Slyde on Jan 12, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If a statement like that doesn't qualify him to be a Red, I don't know what does.

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by BK on Jan 12, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

would his offense

in GABP offset his defense? How does he stack up against statistically defensively against Kepp, and Agon?

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by Caleb on Jan 12, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

for a right-handed hitter

there isn’t a lot of difference between Arlington’s and Cincinnati’s ballparks. He’d probably see a little more power, but not so much that it’d turn him into ARod, or even JRoll.

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by Slyde on Jan 12, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i've heard

that arlington is actually far and away a better hitters park than GABP even

by sharks on Jan 13, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

For RHB

it’s better for singles and triples, and that’s about it. GABP gives up many more doubles and home runs for RHB.

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by Slyde on Jan 13, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Unless Texas kicks in $25 million

over the length of the contract, I can’t see Young as an option. Even then, the Rangers would require a bunch of talent in return. EdE, Stubbs and Homer would probably be in the discussion to start.

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by Thundering Turtle on Jan 12, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

today's market?

we send dorn and thompson and they eat 50 mil. They have p’s up the pipe. Young at 3rd is very average short makes him elite. That contract would suck for a 3rd baseman with no upside and modest power

by SadbutTrue on Jan 12, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

okay only 30 mil

by SadbutTrue on Jan 12, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I have to agree

The package would have to be centered around EdE. It would give them the 3B that we’d be taking with Young, but I don’t think that would be enough. You’re right, we’d have to throw in Homer probably as well. But what if we added another prospect and they gave us Salty too? Would they do Young/Salty/Young’s contract for EdE/Bailey/prospect?

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by BK on Jan 12, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Surely the Reds could do better

with EdE/Bailey than get Michael Young. What a waste of a trading chips that would be.

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by Man Mountain on Jan 12, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know if they're really that serious about trading him

If they were, why deflate his value by publicly announcing that you don’t think he’s good enough to stick at SS? In the end I think Young will realize he’s untradeable simply because his contract is so expensive of what’s being done this winter. He’ll fall in line.

by ken on Jan 12, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

probably not happening

Young is an option, but his contract is worth 62 mil over 5 years in present value. If we were to make a trade for him, Texas would have to eat a heck of a lot of that salary for us to even think about it. However, I dont think that we would have to give up as much as Thundering Turtle suggested. I could see them taking a package of some mid level prospects with upside, nothing that would set back our minor league system. Maybe Eric Eymann, Mike Griffin, and Sam Lecure for Young? Those three are all promising prospects, with Eymann and Griffin the odd men out of the logjam we have at 3b and outfield respectively. If Texas is willing to eat 30 mil on his contract. and they would accept a package like that, I would do it. Otherwise, forget about it.

By the way, his defense is slightly above average, not gold glove material, but hey, we are desprite for even an average glove at short.

by BruzFan on Jan 12, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

where have you seen his defense as slightly above average?

The best I’ve ever seen for him is a couple of runs below average.

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by Slyde on Jan 12, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I dont see nearly enough of him

Don’t get to watch the Texas games often, but being that he won a gold glove this year, and his fielding percentage (.984) was pretty solid, I figured he was slightly above average. I don’t think he has much range, which is probably his downfall. I didnt read where you said he was -4 runs on defense, weird considering he won the GG.

by BruzFan on Jan 12, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think he led the AL in starting DPs.

by ol Pete on Jan 12, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

eh

It’s not that weird. Derek Jeter has 3 gold gloves despite the fact that he is generally considered one of the worst defenders at shortstop based on the numbers.

From what I’ve heard, Young is pretty good at turning the double play but is terrible at going to his left. Maybe that wouldn’t be so bad with BP covering to his left, but that’s a lot to ask of Phillips.

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by Slyde on Jan 12, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That sound you heard just after election day

was the sabermetric community reacting to Young winning the GG. It was as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

by Red Menace on Jan 12, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

There were only two good-hitting SSs in the AL last year

So Young didn’t have a lot of competition.

by ken on Jan 12, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Article on fangraphs talks about Young

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-young-dilemma

Mostly it says the same stuff Slyde and others have said – Young’s awful defensively, and getting worse, and generally is not worth the money when he’s good for 2-3 wins.

by D-Rock on Jan 12, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Fangraphs once again fails to address the all-important "havoc" factor

tsk.

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by Man Mountain on Jan 12, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You mean the Havok X-Factor?

Maybe they were bigger fans of X-Force.

by Brendanukkah on Jan 12, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dress him in Red

and give him a C and you’ve got the Reds Mascot for 2009.

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by snohio on Jan 12, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Or the Tavoc factor

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Jan 12, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

see, the best nicknames come spontainously

not be voting on them. tavoc is great!

Blessed be baseball.

by Daedalus on Jan 12, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

not "by" voting on them.

Blessed be baseball.

by Daedalus on Jan 12, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I still prefer Tavirus

It’s infectious!

We should have a vote…

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by Slyde on Jan 12, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I like T-Virus

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by chandrathan on Jan 12, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

that's 3 options

Let’s get a ballot together, people! Rock the VOTE!

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by Slyde on Jan 12, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Umm... excuse me

Is Willy “B*tch T*ts” Taveras still in the running?

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by BK on Jan 12, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

it's a dictator

the vote is only for spectacle…

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by chandrathan on Jan 12, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

sure, as long as we vote

voting is all that matters, not the results

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by Slyde on Jan 12, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

will we get red fingers if we vote?

Blessed be baseball.

by Daedalus on Jan 12, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

Or if you pick your nose too hard.

by Brendanukkah on Jan 12, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

fuck your sarcasm.

When the masses protest against your oligarchy the streets of Cincinnati will run Red with excel files! I speak for Teh Fay’s minions!

but yeah, I assume I’m going to be made fun of for that idea for as long as I chill around here, no?

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Jan 12, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

until jch has another child

so, at least another week.

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by Slyde on Jan 12, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

so you know

I’m making fun of people who get pissed off about the vote as much as I am making fun of you. The whole thing is silly. You don’t like a vote, don’t participate. If you want to vote on something, go for it. This isn’t a democracy. Votes don’t mean anything anyway.

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by Slyde on Jan 12, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

We are all Red Reporters, and I am your king!

“Well I didn’t vote for you!”

by Brendanukkah on Jan 12, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Then is Slyde the watery tart?

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Jan 12, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't make me repress you

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by Slyde on Jan 12, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I was thinking wet fart, but that will work.

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by jch24 on Jan 13, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

shart?

Reds fan for 40 years!

by gejoe on Jan 13, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

me too

cause what he does on the bases is sick. So is what he does at the plate but that is another story.

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by Caleb on Jan 12, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

it gives me the shits

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by Slyde on Jan 12, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ya know

Everyone was all over the Rangers (and Scott Boras) for the ARod deal. It could be argued, though, that ARod actually earned the money while in Texas. But it’s signings like Young and Chan Ho Park (5/$65M) that are the dumb ones.

As Charlie Finley used to say, it’s not the price of star talent that’s outrageous but the price of mediocrity.

Often wrong, never uncertain.

by sidnancy on Jan 12, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs