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Are any of the dregs worth looking at?

Like the dregs at the bottom of the coffee urn, we are reaching lower and lower into the depths of free agency. After watching useful pieces like Baldelli and Kotsay go off the market in the past few days, I am getting itchy for some action.

And unlike those coffee dregs, I think a few of these players could really help us and I am wondering why we aren't making more of a play toward signing them, bitter or not.

I am going to leave a couple of people out of the discussion -- Manny and Dunn -- mostly because I don't think the Reds have the stones to make an offer to Manny and Dunn deserves better than the way he was treated when he was here. In either event, it looks like Dunn is a divorce that won't get undone.

I am also going to set aside whether the person in question is a Type A, B, or otherwise free agent, because while I think draft picks are important, I am not at all certain that you can pass up a known quantity for an unknown quantity, especially if you can get that known quantity at a good price.

 

Star-divide

In no particular order...

1. Derek Lowe - when looking at how our pitching staff is constructed, it is rather shocking how slanted we are toward fly balls over ground balls. I think picking up 2 to 3 seasons of a ground ball pitcher the caliber of Lowe, while he would not come cheap (coughcoughBorascough), might be a really solid move that could give the Reds the strength to challenge for the division.

2. Ben Sheets - I think it is safe to say that whe he is healthy, Sheets is one of the top starters in the league. The fact that he has not signed, I think, means that a lot of clubs are being cautious and rightly so. But if the Reds could sign him to a short term deal, it would serve a lot of purposes -- not the least of which might be to allow him to reestablish his worth and stick it in the eye of the Brewers, which is never bad.

3. Orlando Hudson - is it time to move Brandon to short? If you could get a quality player like Orlando, wouldn't you have to think about it? Moving Brandon to short and putting Orlando at 2nd base does a couple of good things -- primarily, it moves Cherry into a super utility role, which is where I think he would be best suited -- I have to believe that last season was an outlier for him -- and it puts a more consistent bat in the lineup.

4. Joe Crede and Bobby Abreu - I am lumping them together because they both have rather significant issues, but they bring some interesting things to the table. For Crede, he obviously has an injury history, but if he is healthy and/or cheap, he can push EdE and create a real healthy competition. Abreu is old and his defense isn't great (but aren't we used to that already?) but he has a good bat if a short term deal can be worked out with him. The prices for corner outfielders are falling like the hopes for a short term economic recovery in Washington, so this is not out of the realm of possibility.

Plus, if you sign one or more of these players, it would definitely make other players available for trades that could dramatically affect the talent available to the club throughout the roster. For example, if Lowe and Sheets are in the rotation, I would think that Bronson might make an attractive acquisition target for a contendah looking for a 4/5.

I don't think that acquiring these guys puts a block in front of the top prospects in the system and would give Walt more freedom to recast the roster in his likeness. I think it improves the pitching and defense and upgrades the offense and bench.

So what's not to like? I have my flame-retardant underwear firmly in place. :)

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According to the Fay

The Reds wanted Baldelli, and offered him the same money Boston gave him. He just preferred Boston to Cincinnati.

So apparently, the Reds are willing to spend some money.

But probably not as much as Derek Lowe is asking. I think he’d have been signed long ago, except he’s asking for a big contract. MLB Trade Rumors is reporting the Braves really want him, and may be offering four years. I don’t think we can outbid them.

Of the remaining dregs…Wigginton might be worth a look. (But if they’re considering moving EdE, why is he playing 1B in winterball, instead of left field?)

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by BubbaFan on Jan 10, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

maybe they really are considering trading EdE

i wouldnt be surprised if EdE is traded for something like Fred Lewis + a prospect along with a Wigginton signing. or maybe they think Kepp could be a decent stopgap until Frazier or Francisco is ready. i know Walt called EdE “untouchable” last year, but he also said he was getting us a left fielder…

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 10, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Now that you mention it, they called Josh Hamilton untouchable the year before, and, well, he turned out to be touchable.

I’d rather they kept EdE and tried him in left field. They need a left fielder, so why not? If this is a rebuilding year, now’s the time. I think it’s clear now that EdE is not meant to be a third baseman, and there’s no room for him at 1B with Votto there now and Alonso incoming. Give him a shot in the outfield.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 10, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i whole-heartedly agree on keeping EdE

but an argument could also be made that since it is a rebuilding year, why not keep him at 3B and give him one last chance to improve? i would prefer that, since EdE is more valuable as a 3B. but i would also be happy with a move to LF.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 10, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Basically

because I think he’s out of chances. He’s getting worse at 3B, not improving. I’m all for giving young players a chance, but I think he’s out of chances.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 10, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hear Barry Bonds needs a job

and I might be misremembering but Roger Clemens might need a job too. I think it would be awesome if the Pirates signed Bonds back.

by buckeye22fox on Jan 10, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

How about...

…Jolbert Cabrera’s kid brother?

Orlando Cabrera is no spring chicken, but he’s been pretty solid at SS the past few years.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 10, 2009 4:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I looked at him

but I think Orlando Hudson is a superior offensive player and since we’re trying like to devil to replace production throughout the lineup after the loss of Dunn, I figured he might be the better pickup.

I like Cabrera a lot more than Renteria, that’s for sure.

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Jan 10, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but...

…I don’t see BP being moved.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 10, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Jolbert

He signed a minor league deal with the Orioles.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 12, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A true dreg: Shelley Duncan

The Yankees DFAd him after signing Teixeira. Duncan’s a righty, so it looks good other than the fact that he’s 29 with minimal MLB experience, is coming off a down year in AAA, and doesn’t play the OF.

Any interest, BubbaFan?

by ken on Jan 11, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'd be interested

if it would convince Dave Duncan to come to Cinci.

by Brendanukkah on Jan 11, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

don't you mean, ShelleyFan?

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 11, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Shelley Duncan

never attracted fans the way some of the Yankees’ other young players did. Probably at least partly because he’s one of the ugliest baseball players I have ever seen.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 11, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Joba isn't exactly Brad Pitt...

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Jan 11, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Joba's not bad

At least he looks human. Shelley Duncan..some say he looks like a zombie. I think it’s more like a mutant. ;-)

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by BubbaFan on Jan 11, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sal Fasano

has a lot of groupies. They even came to Yankee Stadium from Philadelphia to cheer him on.

They’re known as “Sal’s Pals.”

Fasano isn’t nearly as ugly as Randy Johnson.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 11, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well, if we're talking ugly

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 11, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't Sal have a winter job as the PA on Medium?

Mads, he is a crazy old man. Plus we have kinda had the same sabrametric evolution togeather.

Justin

by Madville on Jan 12, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I posted about this

here.

Duncan does play the OF. The Yanks used him in right field. But he’s not known for his glove. He could be cheap right-handed power, but don’t expect anything else.

And he’s Dave Duncan’s son, so the Cards might grab him.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 11, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They should

Then the Duncans could be St. Louis’ version of our Boones, except with worse players but a much better coach.

What I don’t get is why David named his son “David Shelley.” He probably figured that the son would go by his middle name; guess he was going with the Boy Named Sue strategy.

by ken on Jan 11, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a miracle!

Jocketty says they might consider lefties, since most of the interesting righties are off the market.

But not Dunn.

It does sound like they’re still in the market for a left fielder.

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by BubbaFan on Jan 12, 2009 8:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I bet Dunn signs for a cheap deal somewhere, similar to Burrell

and then people will be outraged. But the thing is, I don’t think either side of the table wants Dunn back in Cincinnati. I think the only people that still want that are people on the internet who have never listened to a Reds game on the radio in their life.

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 12, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they probably never even watched a Reds game

they just look at their stats on their computer in their mom’s (i used it correctly) basement. If they watched the game they would see that while Dunn may have a better OPS, OBP, Norris Hopper clearly out hustles Dunn, and is soooooooooooooooooooooo much more scrappy.

"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.

by justin007000 on Jan 12, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and is soooooooooooooooooooooo much more scrappy.

just another typo for justin…

and is soooooooooooooooooooooo much more crappy

fixed.

Also, I'm given to understand that your mother is overweight.

by chandrathan on Jan 12, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

actually

Unless all of these stat geeks have the same mom, you didn’t use it correctly. It should be their moms’ basements.

by Daedalus on Jan 13, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think people will be outraged

I could easily see most people saying, “See? We were right all along, he’s obviously not even worth what we were paying him to loaf around here!”

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Jan 13, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no, not those people

the other people

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Jan 13, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ooooooohhhh

Now I get it.

"I AM ARABIC FOR SUGAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!" -- by sukr on Jan 12, 2009 4:55 PM EST

by jch24 on Jan 13, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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