"Chemical Irritant" "disrupts" Ramadan service in Dayton

A couple points - DailyKos is tying this to the major distribution of 'Obsession: Radical Islam's War against the West' DvDs being included in newspapers.

Also, these articles are both very careful about the language they use. For an industry that's supposed to love sensationalism, I don't think that something like "TERRORISTS GAS CHILDREN AT RELIGIOUS SERVICE" would be all that reasonable. The headline they use almost imply that it was an accident.

And really? No evidence that this was a hate crime? Maybe he just means no other evidence has been found, but the mere fact that the attack was directed a specific religious group is evidence of a hate crime.

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I read this last night

And was surprised it’s not getting more MSM attention. Could be mischievous teenagers with mace I guess, but my money is on some hilljack.

I think the McCain campaign’s ties to ‘Obsession’ are despicable personally but I’m not sure it’s fair to point the finger so quickly in this particular case. They need to catch the person(s) responsible before working on motive.

Also, if anyone has a copy of the DVD, I want to watch it to see what the hubbub is all about. If it’s like I’ve heard it is, I have an over/under of ten minutes before I get pissed and turn it off.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Sep 29, 2008 3:43 PM EDT 0 recs

Weird

I just got it in the mail today. Not sure how or why but I’ve got it if you want it.

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by Pops Daniels on Sep 29, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up 0 recs

I'm kind of shocked Al-Jazeera: English didn't pick up on this yet

or really anywhere else. If a religious building gets gassed in the middle of the country, does anyone make a noise?

I heard a sermon tonight after hearing about this from you all, and when the guy said “I heard terrible news this evening,” I thought it would be about, you know, something like this, and the message would be about us all joining together arm-in-arm and all. It turns out that the guy just heard someone mispronounce “Rosh HaShanah” on NPR. Oh well.

And the good folks at the START center I do some work with had interesting reactions to it. My favorite: “Thank God it wasn’t a church”

Capital fever: catch it!

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Sep 29, 2008 7:52 PM EDT 0 recs

Hate crimes

but the mere fact that the attack was directed a specific religious group is evidence of a hate crime.

Not necessarily. Remember that case a few years ago, where someone poisoned the coffee at a church in Maine? One person died, and dozens were hospitalized.

Turned out the culprit was a member of the church who was disgruntled over some element of church politics.

Not that I don’t strongly suspect a hate crime in this case. IIRC, someone in Cleveland drove their car into a mosque after 9/11. My sister was at Oberlin at the time, and they sent around an e-mail suggesting that all students, especially the ones who weren’t white, stay on campus.

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by BubbaFan on Sep 29, 2008 8:26 PM EDT 0 recs

I didn't mean that it was definitive proof.

Evidence can still lead to false conclusion.

No, I don’t remember this, actually. BubbaFan, are you really a person or just a vast font of knowledge personified?

…that’s a compliment, btw.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Sep 29, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up 0 recs

by Brendanukkah on Sep 29, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up 0 recs

Dayton is a bastion of racism.

even if this were a couple of kids screwing around – it is almost certainly a hate or better a fear crime. Meanwhile the DDN tepidly reports:So far there is no indication that the incident was the result of a hate crime, according to Dayton police.

Ibn Khaldoun and Hulrich Zwingli - now that's real reform, Mr. McCain.

by Madville on Sep 30, 2008 1:47 AM EDT 0 recs

well, we know it couldn't have been a christian who did it

because christians aren’t terrorists.

Sigh...

by Daedalus on Oct 3, 2008 9:36 PM EDT 0 recs

Some Christians terrify me -

…E.G. – Michael Evans is one of the most notorious American Christian fundamentalist preachers today, a passionate advocate of war in the name of Christ and don’t forget the new ‘old school’ guys like James Dobson, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell…Theirs is a war of fear and terror against science, therefore against sabremetrics therefore baseball itself…we live in dangerous times.

Most likey it was a herd of Janists. As you know Janists attempt to live their lives without hurting any living creature. However these weren’t creatures, they’re Muslims .

Ibn Khaldoun and Hulrich Zwingli - now that's real reform, Mr. McCain.

by Madville on Oct 4, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up 0 recs

You read American Pastoral?

I fucking love Philip Roth.

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by Pops Daniels on Oct 4, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up 0 recs

Is that the book about the girl who blows up the post office

anti-Vietnam protester? I’ve only read a review. I (like everyone at RR) read Portnoy’s Complaint and Goodbye Columbus. Pops Zuckerman!!!! Roth’s humor, his pre-occupational writing style and his, at times, brutality in conveying the inglorious life of everyman (Joe 6 pack *) is as good now as it was in 1959. Have you read Ghost or Deception ? All of his works in a way are the continuation of his own convoluted universe.

Ibid. Sarah Palin. (2008 VP Debates)

I am, however more of a Cormack McCarthy fan…both authors in their distinct styles effectively describe through (fictional) human experience, the pointlessness of 97% of our lives.
This why I choose to spend 1% on RR and 2% on my kids.

Ibn Khaldoun and Hulrich Zwingli - now that's real reform, Mr. McCain.

by Madville on Oct 4, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up 0 recs

Yep

read Exit Ghost but not Deception. “The Great American Novel” is a hoot and something every baseball/Roth fan should read.

Vote Pops in '08. I promise nothing and I'll do it!

by Pops Daniels on Oct 6, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up 0 recs

The other day I I caught the movie Elegy

based on Roth’s The Dying Animal, it’s good but eventually you can only take so many Roth works about young women sleeping with older intellectuals. There’s a great deal of Penelope Cruz’s naked breasts in the film, for those who like that sort of thing.

by Red Menace on Oct 4, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up 0 recs