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Monday Open Thread: Tigers at White Sox

Only one game today as the White Sox (and Griffey) try to save their last shot at the playoffs.  Game time is 2:05pm ET.  Here is the pitching matchup:


TigersW-L ERA WHIP K BB
2008 - Freddy Garcia 1-1 4.50 1.20 9 3



White SoxW-L ERA WHIP K BB
2008 - Gavin Floyd 16-8 3.91 1.26 137 68


If you are still trying to figure out which team to root for during the playoffs, here are the former Reds players on each team.  I just eyeballed my way through the list, so let me know if I missed anybody.

Tampa Bay Rays
Grant Balfour(DNP w/ Reds)
Marc Lancaster (former beat writer)

Philadelphia Phillies
None

Boston Red Sox
Sean Casey
David Ross
Chicago Cubs
Ryan Dempster
Minnesota Twins
Brendan Harris
Ryan Jorgensen
Dennys Reyes
Eddie Guardado
Milwaukee Brewers
Mike Cameron
Russell Branyan
Todd Coffey
Chicago White Sox
Paul Konerko
Ken Griffey Jr.
Dewayne Wise
Los Angeles Dodgers
None

Los Angeles Angels
Dustin Moseley (drafted by Reds, traded for Ramon Ortiz)

Not all of these guys will make it on to the post season roster but all will likely receive some share of the playoff winnings, unless their teammates hate them.

I'll probably do an open thread for every day of the playoffs.  I'm going to try to mix in some analysis, but I have a project at my real job that is kicking my ass right now.  I'll be making more of an effort to bump things to the front page this off-season, so if you feel like writing something up in a FanPost™, go for it.  There is a good chance that I'll bump it to the front page if it is quality.  I'm looking more for stuff that contains real analysis rather than "This is what I'd do..." kind of posts.  Not that you shouldn't post the latter, just that it won't likely get bumped.

As always, your participation in bringing news and insight to this site is what makes Red Reporter what it is.  Hopefully we'll have an off-season that is worth talking about, and better yet worth getting excited about!

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We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Sep 29, 2008 11:48 AM EDT   0 recs

do the BoSox really have the most "Games played as Reds" out of the teams?

Doesn’t matter…between Reyes and Guardado, the entire left-handed Hispanic relief pitcher contingent of the Reds since 1998 is covered. Viva los Rojos!

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Sep 29, 2008 12:32 PM EDT   0 recs

Just a note

Todd Coffey was picked up after Aug. 31 and thus cannot be on the Brewers postseason roster.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 29, 2008 12:38 PM EDT   0 recs

he can if he replaces Ben Sheets

or someone else on the DL.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Sep 29, 2008 12:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Doesn't he have to have at least been with the organization before Aug. 31?

I know you can use someone that wasn’t on the 40-man until September, but I thought they had to at least be in the organization.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 29, 2008 12:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hmm

I don’t know that one. I hate rules. They are so complicated.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Sep 29, 2008 12:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's what they're saying over at Brew Crew Ball anyway

Mostly I just want to be right in an argument over baseball arcana with Slyde.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 29, 2008 1:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No, I don't think so

This came into play for Yanks during the postseason once. If there’s an injury, anyone in the organization can be called up.

And it doesn’t have to be the same position. They can call up a pitcher to replace a position player if they want.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 29, 2008 1:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

postseason callups

as a reds fan that’s something i’ll never have to worry about

by chandrathan on Sep 29, 2008 1:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

want a hug?

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Sep 29, 2008 1:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

rumor is

The Angels made suspicious use of this rule to get K-Rod onto their 2003 postseason roster.

by Red Menace on Sep 30, 2008 3:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

its tough to decide

between the Rays and White Sox in the AL. on one hand, i hate the Sox, but they have Jr. on the other hand, the Rays are everything i think the Reds can be. maybe the Tigers will decide for me.

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 29, 2008 12:42 PM EDT   0 recs

I noticed today

That if the Tigers lose today, they will finish at 74-88. The same record as the Reds. We might have sucked, but at least we didn’t spend $138 million doing so. Silver linings people, silver linings…..

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Sep 29, 2008 12:48 PM EDT   0 recs

At this point

I’d spend that kind of money to get sucked.

Vote Pops in '08. I promise nothing and I'll do it!

by Pops Daniels on Sep 29, 2008 12:49 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

Oh shit

did I really just type that?

Vote Pops in '08. I promise nothing and I'll do it!

by Pops Daniels on Sep 29, 2008 12:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes you did

And I rec’d it for posterity.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Sep 29, 2008 12:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah you kinda did

i sometimes wish they had a button on here to delete a comment you just posted. like a 5 minute grace period for stupidity. then again, if they had that i think our game threads would be 10 comments just like the Tigers.

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 29, 2008 12:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

the tigers blog news a new bench admin

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Sep 29, 2008 1:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Also last place in the AL Central

Yup, behind the Royals.

Which also means we had fewer victories than the Royals. So our early season sister RR site was actually the proper horse to bet on.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 29, 2008 12:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

wow, the Royals really had one more W than the Reds?

Mike Aviles leads their team in OPS. Mike Aviles! I’ve been reading JoePo all summer and I have no clue who that is.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Sep 29, 2008 5:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Willis was such a terrible pick up

this team went from being young, cheap and talented, to being old, not so talented, and expensive in 3 years.

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Sep 29, 2008 1:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a beautiful day here in NY

Sunny and cool. I am off work, because my employer has switched to a “compressed work week” in order to reduce energy consumption.

But I think I will be going outside today. Maybe drive down to Bear Mountain and do a little hiking.

Enjoy the game!

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 29, 2008 12:56 PM EDT   0 recs

I need a job where you work

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Sep 29, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A lot of offices are doing it now

Because of the high price of gas and electricity.

However, the drawback is those long, 10-hour days. Kinda hard if you have a family.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 29, 2008 1:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Except

You get an extra day off that you have to use to make it up to your family.

That’s how a lot of parents are doing it. “You won’t see daddy much during the week, but we’ll go to the zoo on Friday!”

Even some schools are switching to the 40-day week. The cost of diesel is brutal on school buses.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 29, 2008 1:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

a 40 day week seems a bit excessive

schools will do anything to increase their test scores.

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Sep 29, 2008 1:38 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

Watch out for the hordes of Yankees and Mets fans out there

They’re discovering what else there is to do in New York in October, and some of them will inevitably head upstate. Either to steal pic-a-nic baskets or drown themselves in the Hudson.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 29, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that racist

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 29, 2008 1:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They wouldn't do that

You can’t throw anything into the Hudson without a permit from the Dept. of Environmental Conservation.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 29, 2008 1:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I just saw something about the Hudson on the History Channel

that said the river’s strong current could drag enough sediment off the bottom to expose the tunnels and cause some real damage. Yikes. The current is stronger than it was centuries ago because both banks have been expanded by fill, narrowing the channel.

by ken on Sep 29, 2008 1:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Prince Fielder celebrated while surrounded by his 10 closest friends

(hat tip RHM)

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Sep 29, 2008 2:43 PM EDT   0 recs

Slyde, I didn't know you were black

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Sep 29, 2008 10:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Missed this on Friday

John Sickels did an analysis of Drew Stubbs. Here’s the conclusion:

So, can Stubbs be a regular? I think if you stuck him in the lineup in 2009, he’d hit something like .245/.325/.380, though he’s steal a few bases and play great defense. Perhaps he could be something like Carlos Gomez, with a few more walks.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Sep 29, 2008 3:04 PM EDT   0 recs

Doesn't it say something that

if Stubbs posts those numbers he will be a significant improvement over Patterson? We’re talking a guy with a questionable bat and deemed not yet ready for the big leagues and he’s a huge upgrade on the starting CF. It just puts into amazing perspective how bad Patterson was this season, as if we needed it put into perspective.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Sep 29, 2008 3:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Has this game been moved to Milwaukee yet?

www.crosleyfieldterrace.wordpress.com

by xjjeep90 on Sep 29, 2008 3:56 PM EDT   0 recs

Ok this thing finally starts at 5:08 EST

thank freakin god

www.crosleyfieldterrace.wordpress.com

by xjjeep90 on Sep 29, 2008 5:08 PM EDT   0 recs

Jermaine Dye with a single

Sox up 1-0

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Sep 29, 2008 5:40 PM EDT   0 recs

Wow, cool

I got to go outside and play, and still catch some of the game.

And the House voted down the bailout for billionaires. Hallelujah.

They’ll probably try to pass it again, but for now, yay.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 29, 2008 6:38 PM EDT   0 recs

Market ain't gonna "correct itself" though

But I really don’t know what to friggin’ do at this point. I want the billionaires to suffer, but not at the expense of my parents’ 401Ks…

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Sep 29, 2008 6:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The thing is...

…this bailout is not going to work. It wouldn’t save your parents’ 401(k)s. It may triple the cost of food and fuel, while not improving their income. How’s that going to affect the average retiree?

The problem is not lack of money. There’s plenty of money out there. But everyone’s sitting on it, because they don’t know what bomb is going to explode next.

The problem is lack of trust. Everyone’s lying, and until they are forced to tell the truth, no amount of money will help. The government changing the rules daily doesn’t help, either.

I’d rather see something Karl Denninger’s plan:

1. Level III assets must be fully disclosed along with all formula and models for their marks, quarterly, in the 10Q/10K.

   2. Derivatives must all be moved to a regulated exchange with a central counterparty to guarantee margin supervision. No exceptions.

   3. Leverage must be reduced to no more than 12:1 across the system. No exceptions.

Once 1-3 are put in place then send in the OTS and OCC examiners and look at every financial institution in the United States. All who are insolvent and unable to raise private capital immediately are forced through receivership where the debt is converted to equity and existing equity is wiped out. With the CDS monster caged the systemic risk is removed, the bondholders provide the cushion for recapitalization (as it should be) and the restructured firm emerges with no debt while the former bondholders are now the owners (of the equity) in the resulting firm.

With a clean balance sheet the restructured firms remain in business and open the next morning able to raise and attract capital. It may triple the cost of food and fuel, while not improving anyone’s income. How’s that going to affect retirees?

For the few firms that have an insufficient debtholder capital cushion to successfully complete this process, they are liquidated instead. There will be few of these and in fact each of those firms is a regulatory failure, as we should have never permitted a firm to become so far “underwater” that the bondholder’s capital is insufficient to capitalize a restructuring.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 29, 2008 7:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

arrgh
It may triple the cost of food and fuel, while not improving anyone’s income. How’s that going to affect retirees?

This section in the penultimate paragraph shouldn’t be there. I must have accidentally dumped it there from the first paragraph.

New keyboard, with some shortcuts I’m not used to…

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 29, 2008 7:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hell yes I'd support that plan in a heartbeat.

Obviously we will see a stringent regulatory system rises from these ashes, and derivatives simply must be closely monitored. Things are definitely going to get worse before they get better. Question is, will Congress recognize this? I’m not holding my breath…

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Sep 29, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Congress

I almost feel sorry for them. They’re really between a rock and a hard place.

The voters are furious. Just boiling mad. People are actually taking to the streets in some places.

I think they know it’s probably not going to work. Even Paulson probably knows it. It’s a hail Mary. They’re just hoping to keep things together until the election is over.

But if it’s voted down, and the economy goes to heck, those who voted against the bailout get the blame. If it passes, and the economy goes to heck (as is likely), those who voted for it get the blame.

The ideal situation is to have it pass, but be the one who voted against it. But of course, not everyone can do that.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 29, 2008 7:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lohse

got a 4-year deal. Rumored to be for $41 million.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 29, 2008 8:12 PM EDT   0 recs

He's smart. He stayed with Dave Duncan.

If I were a league average pitcher, I’d never want to leave his side.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Sep 29, 2008 8:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you obviously aren't Jason Marquis

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Sep 29, 2008 8:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Chicago Ken Griffey Jrs with the victory!

www.crosleyfieldterrace.wordpress.com

by xjjeep90 on Sep 29, 2008 8:24 PM EDT   0 recs

Last I saw

They were up 6-2 in the bottom of the 8th.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 29, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They scored another run

On a really ugly error.

Final score, 8-2.

Jr. 1 for 2 with a walk.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 29, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Phillies

No former Reds, but they do have Pat Burrell, who is a right handed Adam Dunn Jr. And they do have J.A. Happ, who has to be related to former Red farmhand A.J. Zapp. Besides that, this is the team you want to lose more than any other.

by Brian B on Sep 29, 2008 9:54 PM EDT   0 recs

Anyone watching MNF?

Quite the barnburner between Pittsburgh and The Team Formerly Known As Cleveland.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 29, 2008 11:57 PM EDT   0 recs

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