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Game 161: Reds at Cardinals

Cincinnati Reds @ St. Louis Cardinals



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Cincinnati Reds
@ St. Louis Cardinals

Saturday, Sep 27, 2008, 7:15 PM EDT
Busch Stadium

Aaron Harang vs Todd Wellemeyer

Clear. Winds blowing out to center field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 75.

 

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W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2008 - Aaron Harang 7-16 4.72 1.37 151 49



W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2008 - Todd Wellemeyer 12-9 3.69 1.25 131 61


I've been doing a lot of the "first time since.." things lately, but I have one more today.  The Reds have 4 pitchers who have thrown 174 innings or more (damnit Cueto, why couldn't you have thrown one more inning?).  It's the first time since 1979 that has happened for the Reds.  I guess what I'm saying with all of this minutia lately is that the starting rotation is looking solid for next year.  Volquez will likely fall off a bit, but hopefully that will be countered by Cueto building on this season.  Arroyo is what Arroyo is and all we can hope for is that his low points aren't quite as low as they were this season.

Harang definitely needs to get back to where he had been prior to this year, and I think there is reason to be optimistic about that happening.  His season can really be divided into three parts:

Part 1 - (first 11 starts): 3.50 ERA, 7.6 K/9, 2.2 BB/9, 1.2 HR/9, 1.22 WHIP
San Diego relief appearance came between part 1 and part 2
Part 2 - (next 10 starts): 9.06 ERA, 7.5 K/9, 3.3 BB/9, 2.8 HR/9, 1.90 WHIP
During part 2 he missed about 1 month on the DL
Part 3 - (last 7 starts): 2.39 ERA, 6.6 K/9, 2.0 BB/9, 1.3 HR/9, 1.08 WHIP

It's been stated on here many times before, but I think the 4 innings of relief in San Diego affected him a lot more than anyone in the organization will admit.  All of these segments are affected by sample size, so I wouldn't put too much weight on the actual numbers.  I think the important thing here is trending, and it's pretty clear that Harang just wasn't right during that time when he ended up being injured.  The good news though is that he does appear to have gotten better of late.  And though I called for him to be shut down earlier in the season, it is nice to know that he's still able to pitch well and get the job done.

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All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 27, 2008 5:15 PM EDT   0 recs

mark grace is a terrible announcer

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Sep 27, 2008 5:47 PM EDT   0 recs

oh man

the Brewers had the bases loaded and 1 out and they totally Schrute’d it

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 27, 2008 6:34 PM EDT   0 recs

and mark grace is still a terrible anouncer

and lions get largerrr

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Sep 27, 2008 6:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

justin'd

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Sep 27, 2008 6:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

anyone watching Cincy-Akron

a strangely good game for some middle-level programs. I have a lot of faith in UC this year, even if they are down to their 4th qb

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Sep 27, 2008 6:51 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm watching Notre Dame beat up on Purdue

and just switched it to the end of the Wisconsin-Michigan game. Lots of upsets today… hopefully Georgia doesn’t follow suit.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Sep 27, 2008 6:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i switched to Wisco-UM

seems like quite a game. And ESPN360 is about 10 minutes late, so I have to make sure not to pick up my phone for a bit.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Sep 27, 2008 7:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

so yeah, someone on Wisconsin feels like a d-bag for lining up incorrectly

and hey! There’s another Guidugli on the Bearcats! Anyone remember Gino?

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Sep 27, 2008 7:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Giant choke by the Badgers

Michigan played one good quarter and managed to steal that one

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Sep 27, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lineups

Cincinnati:

2B-Hariston
SS-Kepp
1B-Votto
3B-EDE
RF-BRUCE
LF-Cabrera
CF-Dusty’s Future Son in Law
C-Bako
P-Harang

STL
CF-Schumaker
2B-Felipe Fucking Lopez
1B-Pujols
LF-Ludwick
3B-Glaus
RF-Kennedy
SS-Miles
P-Wellemeyr
C-Johnson

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Sep 27, 2008 6:57 PM EDT   0 recs

what is the sound of no hands typing?

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Sep 27, 2008 7:18 PM EDT   0 recs

fap?

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Sep 27, 2008 7:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Summing up my feelings

The game is on, I’m on the couch. Facing the other way. I am not inclined to turn around unless they start yelling about something. Reds baseball, catch the fever.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Sep 27, 2008 7:21 PM EDT   0 recs

i'm pretending to study

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Sep 27, 2008 7:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm watching it in between football.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Sep 27, 2008 7:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Alabama-Georgia should be a great game

www.crosleyfieldterrace.wordpress.com

by xjjeep90 on Sep 27, 2008 7:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

seems reasonable.

www.crosleyfieldterrace.wordpress.com

by xjjeep90 on Sep 27, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

supply and demand i guess

i don’t think they are going to sell very many ppvs though

by chandrathan on Sep 27, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

doubt it.

Western should give them a good game. Can’t believe UK is a 22 point favorite.

www.crosleyfieldterrace.wordpress.com

by xjjeep90 on Sep 27, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

wait a minute

UK has a football team? since when?

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 27, 2008 7:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Is ESPN360 the biggest crock of bullshit in the entire world?

I tried it out one time to watch a game, but only select cable providers can use it, or something. They shouldn’t advertise it like they do if nobody can get it.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Sep 27, 2008 7:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Time Warner doesn't have it

which of course services most of the Cincinnati area

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Sep 27, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it is a crock of shit though

i usually get blacked out for half the game, and can watch the other half

by chandrathan on Sep 27, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

the wife is gone for the evening

im making french toast. bachelor night!

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 27, 2008 7:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oohh good idea!

i’ll tie a balloon to the mail box!

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 27, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

why can't we have a soiree

at Charles’?

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Sep 27, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

its not Charles

its Charleston. we just went over this.

oh, and you arent invited.

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 27, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sounds like BKland

Where every night is bachelor night!

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Sep 27, 2008 7:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mariano Rivera has a 0.68 WHIP in 69.1 IP

and K-Rod has a 1.31 WHIP in 67.0 IP but is still getting more love for a Cy Young or even an MVP.

www.crosleyfieldterrace.wordpress.com

by xjjeep90 on Sep 27, 2008 7:29 PM EDT   0 recs

Hey Schourek

Is your dude in for the Cuba game?

by Brendanukkah on Sep 27, 2008 7:35 PM EDT   0 recs

most likely...

its “parents weekend” over here in a couple of weeks for people who “give a shit” and don’t currently have “parents in Zimbabwe”.

I’ll have an answer later tonight for you. Stay tuned.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Sep 27, 2008 7:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Zimbabwe huh?

whats that like, fun?

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 27, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

haven't talked to 'em since they left for there, and they don't get back until tomorrow

but considering they have survived Cleveland for 2 years now, I think they can handle it.

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Sep 27, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

On my MySpace page, I had a picture of two of my siblings on a road in Madagascar

My friend from Cleveland left a comment that now when he thinks of Madagascar, he’ll think of well-paved roads and white kids. I told him that Madagascar was actually a lot like Cleveland, only it had well-paved roads and white kids.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 27, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that's racist

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Sep 27, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Parents in Zimbabwe

Are paying school fees in livestock or fuel.

Inflation is so bad that many people use fuel coupons or actual fuel for cash. The government limits the amount of cash you can withdraw, so even if you have money, you can’t use it.

Our future, if the bailout for billionaires goes through.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 27, 2008 7:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sounds kind of like the Weimar Republic

That turned out all right, didn’t it?

by Brendanukkah on Sep 27, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Adolfmatic for the people!

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Sep 27, 2008 7:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You still don't quite have the hang of it

Learning how to properly use it isn’t Goering to happen overnight.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 27, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

come on cut the guy some slack

it wasnt great, but he didnt Mengele it either.

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 27, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure

Europe got a makeover out of it, anyway.

We’re working on that, too.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 27, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Russian missile defense and nuclear "deterrence," eh?

Palin better look into that. And by that I mean climb a ladder in her backyard, and take some binoculars up with her.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 27, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 27, 2008 8:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

JESUS CHRIST!!!

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 27, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

rec'd for content, not usage

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Sep 27, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

COMMON PEOPLE

One more rec and CTR turns green!

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Sep 27, 2008 8:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

rec'd for you jch

youre welcome

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 27, 2008 8:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

YAY

You guys are the best, I don’t give a damn what Slyde says when you’re not here.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Sep 27, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

fuck slyde!

"It will put a smile on your face to see a Chevy with a Soviet transmission"

by justin007000 on Sep 27, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's all you dude

Captain Morgans, Diet Coke, a painter’s drop cloth and some duct tape should be a fine start to your grocery list.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Sep 27, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

jeez

you were alot funnier when you were talking about feline AIDS.

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 27, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Feline AIDS?

I don’t remember that. Human AIDS, yes.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Sep 27, 2008 8:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

it was a Debbie Downer reference

then Menace had to go all out with it.

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 27, 2008 8:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

harang analysis

Here’s an interesting analysis of Harang’s issues. Basically, more than the usual fly balls, and too many of those fly balls going out of the park. The latter is considered to be a statistical fluctuation, and the former has a decent chance to regress as well. They point out, however, that his swinging-strike rate is going down, which apparently correlates well to a future K-rate.

However, a indicator of futur