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Cincinnati Reds
@ Milwaukee Brewers

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008, 2:05 PM EDT
Miller Park

Bronson Arroyo vs CC Sabathia

 

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W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2008 - Bronson Arroyo 14-10 4.84 1.44 143 59

W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2008 - CC Sabathia 9-0 1.42 0.99 94 20

Today is going to be a challenge for Dusty Baker.  When you've been puttting a getaway day lineup on the field for the last week, what do you do when you have an actual getaway day?  Expect Juan Castro and Neifi Perez to be acquired prior to game time.

I find myself really rooting for Arroyo right now.  I'm not completely sure why, but I guess that I want to have hope for next season, and maybe if he pitches well the rest of the year it will carry over into next season.  Or maybe I just like minutia like the fact that the Reds haven't had two 16-game winners since 1988 (Jackson/Browning).  I mean, I know it doesn't make any difference, but when you root for shitty teams, you have to take what you can get.

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Hells yeah..

Sept 6th - Duffers Open - http://duffersopen.org/ - Play some golf with your fellow RRs.

by snohio on Sep 10, 2008 12:01 PM EDT   0 recs

And now

a medley to encourage the smiling side of the scoreboard. Afternoon, all.

Overserved and underwhelmed.

by Pops Daniels on Sep 10, 2008 12:07 PM EDT   0 recs

Fuck It's C.C. The Merciless

Good Luck Bronson!

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Sep 10, 2008 12:07 PM EDT   0 recs

do you see that WHIP??

eewww, why does that turn me on?

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 10, 2008 12:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I know, shit's ridiculous

Fattie’s pulling out all the stops for a 100-Mill deal so he can then lapse into a tubbier version of Barry Zito

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Sep 10, 2008 12:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i dont see him lapsing at all

- joke about his lap -

but really, he seems pretty durable and he’s still only 28. nothing at all like Zitface.

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 10, 2008 12:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

rooting for Arroyo

im with you on this. hopefully he can rack up a few more wins and end up looking respectable. if there are plans to trade him this winter (im on the fence on that one) a 16-10 record looks much better than 14-12. or whatever.

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 10, 2008 12:08 PM EDT   0 recs

Can CC win the Cy Young?

With Webb and EV faltering over the last month, does CC become part of the discussion or is it Lincecum’s to lose?

How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?

by jch24 on Sep 10, 2008 12:17 PM EDT   0 recs

CC will get credit for the pennant race

but this isn’t Rick Sutcliffe going 16-1 in 1984, so he’ll have a slightly harder chance at it. Of course, if he goes 12-0 with an ERA under 2.00, it’ll be hard to pass him up.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Sep 10, 2008 12:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We gave Cliff Lee an ass-kicking

We can give this (former) Indian Cy Young contender an ass-kicking as well.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 10, 2008 12:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Are you ready for this lineup?

Reds
From Tom Haudricourt’s Blog

Reds (Minus B. Phillips for the rest of the year)
CF Jerry Hairston
SS Jeff Keppinger
1B Joey Votto
3B Edwin Encarnacion
RF Jolbert Cabrera
2B Andy Phillips
LF Wilkin Castillo
C Ryan Hanigan
RHP Bronson Arroyo

Boo-Crew
2B Ray Durham
SS J.J. Hardy
LF Ryan Braun
1B Prince Fielder
RF Gabe Kapler
CF Mike Cameron
3B Craig Counsell
C Jason Kendall
LHP CC Sabathia

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by MixFMKyle on Sep 10, 2008 12:20 PM EDT   0 recs

No offense to AndyFan

but Rosales should be starting over him. One is already a journeyman the other is still only 25.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Sep 10, 2008 12:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I completely agree

I think Dusty is really trying to protect the young guys against CC Today. Only 2 lefties in the whole lineup, that has to be our lowest all year.

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by MixFMKyle on Sep 10, 2008 12:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

1 lefty

Castillo is a switcher

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 10, 2008 12:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

link

my bad

http://blogs.jsonline.com/brewers/default.aspx

Also, read thru that guys game blog last night. He disses the reds and calls them one of the worst pitching staffs in baseball. Im pretty sure our bullpen is ranked 3rd in the NL, and our starters may not be CC and Sheets, but without Fogg are pretty respectable. Our problem this year has been offense and defense.

Find me on MySpace- http://www.myspace.com/mixfmkyle

by MixFMKyle on Sep 10, 2008 12:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

"Our problem this year has been offense and defense."

I may have myself a new sig line. Thank you sir.

How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?

by jch24 on Sep 10, 2008 12:25 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

Getting closer

But can’t we have, just once, a lineup that doesn’t have Patterson, Bako OR Cabrera?

by bengalred on Sep 10, 2008 12:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Um, I almost advocate playing Patterson these days

He has been kind of hot lately.

…lord, I feel dirty.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 10, 2008 12:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

depends on what your ultimate objective is

If you want to win a few more games this year, then maybe a “hot” Patterson is the way go to.

If you want to make absolutely sure he’s not on the team next year, keep him on the bench. With each hit down the stretch, the fear that Dusty will convince Walt he’s a great bench/defensive replacement/veteran minimum guy creeps further into my brain.

by bengalred on Sep 10, 2008 12:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You!

Out! You’re banished to being a Nationals fan until you realize what you’ve done and apologized!

Our problem this year has been offense and defense. -- MixFMKyle

by jch24 on Sep 10, 2008 12:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

flagged

for realsies. this is just inappropriate.

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 10, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hmm

Not sure how you define “hot” or lately, but starting with yesterday and going back every game from there, the best OPS I can find for Patterson is .662, starting coincidentally with the first game after Dunn was traded. Every other date range in the last 2+ months that ends with yesterday’s game gives Patterson an OPS lower than .662.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Sep 10, 2008 12:59 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

I guess it's relative

He was sucking, and now he’s only bad. Hooray!

by Brendanukkah on Sep 10, 2008 1:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I understand, but it's still not acceptable

BTW, using Justin’s Total Value Numbers, can anyone guess who has been the three least valuable players (counting both offense and defense) to the Reds this season? Bonus points if you can properly order them for worst to best.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Sep 10, 2008 1:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Is there a games played limit?

Cuz Juan Castro would be the worst.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 10, 2008 1:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a counting stat (of sorts), so playing time does affect the final outcome.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Sep 10, 2008 1:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i take a shot

Bako
Patterson
Jr

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 10, 2008 1:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i was just gonna say

and then the page timed out on me. Kepp is 2nd, Patterson 3rd.

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 10, 2008 1:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you got it backwards

Patterson (-9.2 runs above replacement)
Keppinger (-7.6 RAR)
Bako (-5.3 RAR)

Griffey was 3.7 RAR with the Reds.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Sep 10, 2008 1:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

COMMON!

No one had Patterson first?

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Sep 10, 2008 1:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oddly enough

all three players get significant position adjustments for the difficulty of the position they play, and yet they are still the cream of the suck.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Sep 10, 2008 1:19 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

Ranks

Patterson is the 2nd worst CF, barely ahead of Andruw Jones
Kepp is the 4th worst SS, pretty far in front of Tony Pena.
Bako is in the bottom 5 (the list of catchers is messed up for some reason so I can’t get an accurate number, but he’s definitely near the bottom.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Sep 10, 2008 1:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dusty's ear for talent

i have nothing to say about it. i just think its funny.

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 10, 2008 1:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cream of the Suck - Rec'd

Loved it so much, I made it my sig..

"Patterson, Keppinger, Bako.... Cream of the Suck" -Slyde

by snohio on Sep 10, 2008 2:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dunn
EdE
Griffey

/Cincinnati Media

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Sep 10, 2008 1:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A .205 BA does not a successful hitter make

This may end up being the most heavily flag’d comment of all time. You should be stripped of your recs.

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Sep 10, 2008 1:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Apology Accepted!

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Sep 10, 2008 1:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sir, I encourage you to keep your offensive ways.

The more people you have to apologize to, the better.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Sep 10, 2008 1:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oooh, you turned pink

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Sep 10, 2008 2:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't see it, even after refreshing

Is it just for your admin eyes only? And has anyone else ever turned pink before? I like to think of myself as a trailblazer.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 10, 2008 2:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a long pink t-shirt she's wearing

BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"

by battlekow on Sep 10, 2008 2:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I like the 70's decor

“I know, we’ll make a WALL, out of TABLE LEGS! It’ll be fucking awesome!”

Our problem this year has been offense and defense. -- MixFMKyle

by jch24 on Sep 10, 2008 2:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Must be for admins only

and yes I recall seeing pink before, back when Brent Beck was still the best in the business.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Sep 10, 2008 2:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We get riddled with pink every Cubs series

It’s impressive. And by impressive I mean fuck them.

BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"

by battlekow on Sep 10, 2008 2:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He certainly had the resume for it

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Sep 10, 2008 2:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

good thing Dusty respects ...

the pennant race. Or he would have put a really crappy line up on the field

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Sep 10, 2008 1:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Correction

Cabrera’s in left, Bruce is in right, and Wee Willie Wilken is not playing

by Brendanukkah on Sep 10, 2008 2:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

according to MLBtraderumors

both Stormy and Affeldt should end up being type B free agents. if Walt knows what he is doing, and thats a huge IF, they both will be offered arbitration. Affledt will definitely get a long term deal somewhere, so thats a no-brainer. Stormy is an iffy case though. i would offer him arb and hope someone offers him more. but if he stays i think he’s still worth it. he hasnt been awesome, but he is definitely reliable and sturdy. and the VP helps i think. we’ll see.

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 10, 2008 12:51 PM EDT   0 recs

I haven't checked his splits

But it seems like Weathers is pretty valuable on the road, and only really shits the bed when he’s pitching in Cinci. I do know that every time I see his ERA, I’m always surprised that it’s as low as it is.

by Brendanukkah on Sep 10, 2008 12:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he's been pretty good since he came to Cincy

but this year, even though his ERA (3.19) is the lowest its been since ’03, his WHIP (1.53) is much higher than its been in the past few years. i can see him falling off next year, but if he only gets 3 mil or so i can live with it. of course, this is all hoping he rejects arb and the Nats sign him to be their closer.

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 10, 2008 1:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Brendan you may want tocheck out thses splits

They are not your Mother’s splits…..

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Sep 10, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Is Dickerson still injured?

I think we overmeet as a society.

by Gray on Sep 10, 2008 1:18 PM EDT   0 recs

As long as CoPat's making some tangible contribution

I think we’ll see poor cdick “injured”

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Sep 10, 2008 1:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

From the Enquirer:
Chris Dickerson wasn’t in the lineup for the third straight night on Tuesday and probably won’t start again until Friday when the Reds face the Arizona Diamondbacks. Baker wanted to give Dickerson’s sore left achilles tendon additional rest, especially with left-hander CC Sabathia scheduled to pitch today.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Sep 10, 2008 1:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i should make up

a “Dusty Excuse of the Day” calendar. everyday is one more bogus reason why Dusty’s fellas get to play over younger, more talented, more deserving players.

"for integrity of races and the game" - Dusty Baker

by Charlie Scrabbles on Sep 10, 2008 1:28 PM EDT   0 recs

except in the case of one Jared Burton,

whom Dusty hates so passionately that he will probably pitch him again today.

Politickin' in God's Country

by chesirecat on Sep 10, 2008 1:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The longer this tapioca abortion of a September goes

the more I question what I’m in here for. I REALLY do not like Dusty making decisions for this team.

I’ve posted this before, I realize, but since I’m now taking a class in 20th century Balkan History, I’ll post it again:

...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield

by Cy Schourek on Sep 10, 2008 1:55 PM EDT   0 recs