How did this not get more press?

by Slyde on Aug 8, 2008 10:55 AM EDT

I stumbled across this quote from Dusty in an article by Hal from a couple of days ago:

Quote of the day

"I have never wanted to win more than I do right here, and I will, but this is Wayne Krivsky's team, not Walt Jocketty's and not mine. I just hope there is enough out there after the season that we can get to help us." — Baker.

This is bullshit. Is he seriously hiding behind Krivsky? "It's not my fault. I swear." What a cowardly statement.

This completely explains why the Reds are lifeless. Their manager doesn't believe in them. I mean, I'd expect athletes to be able to motivate themselves for the most part, but when the manager says, "These aren't my guys. I can't wait until I can get some better players in here." Why wouldn't you give up?

Ugh. I can't believe anybody thought he was the right manager for this team.

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BTW

It wasn’t Pete Mackanin’s team either and they went 41-39 under him.

All I’ve ever done was be Juan Pierre," he said. "I don’t know why, for some reason, they’re just sticking it to me this year."

by Slyde on Aug 8, 2008 11:02 AM EDT 0 recs

I agree, this is bullshit

Thowing your team under the bus? How has local sports talk not picked up on this?

Oh yeah, and I can’t wait until Dusty gets “his guys” in here. 24 more Corey Pattersons on the team really bodes well for the franchise’s future.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Aug 8, 2008 11:04 AM EDT 0 recs

fuck me

you can add this to my rant in the Farmer’s thread. i dont think there is a curse word vile enough to express how i feel about Dusty Baker and Walt Jocketty right now.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 8, 2008 11:14 AM EDT 0 recs

I feel the same way

My frustration level right now is extremely high. And I don’t blame Dusty for all of the bad play on the field, but for some reason this statement just put me over the top with him. Way to not take any accountability, Dusty.

BTW, I really liked your post in the Farmer’s Only thread. Would you be interested in going to the Enchantment Under the Sea dance with me?

All I’ve ever done was be Juan Pierre," he said. "I don’t know why, for some reason, they’re just sticking it to me this year."

by Slyde on Aug 8, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up 0 recs

well, gosh

i’d love to, but im taking my mom.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 8, 2008 11:56 AM EDT up 1 recs

He is taking accountability, Slyde

I have never wanted to win more than I do right here, and I will

When the team starts winning, then it will be all his doing.

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by Man Mountain on Aug 8, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up 0 recs

Slyde, you need something to cheer you up

Happy Friday.

by Brendanukkah on Aug 8, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up 0 recs

Thanks Brendan!

Those comments are classy.

All I’ve ever done was be Juan Pierre," he said. "I don’t know why, for some reason, they’re just sticking it to me this year."

by Slyde on Aug 8, 2008 12:41 PM EDT up 0 recs

Slyde, I heard comment #38 was you? True?

by jacob brumfield on Aug 8, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up 0 recs

No

but that exact phrase is printed on my business cards.

All I’ve ever done was be Juan Pierre," he said. "I don’t know why, for some reason, they’re just sticking it to me this year."

by Slyde on Aug 8, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up 0 recs

Fuck you, Dusty

Your two winningest pitchers, Volquez and Arroyo, are Krivsky’s guys.

Your best relief pitchers, Bray, Burton, Cordero, Lincoln… hell, pretty much everybody but Masset, are Krivsky’s guys.

Your cleanup hitter is Krivsky’s guy.

Your shortstop and leadoff hitter is Krivsky’s guy.

Your guys are Corey Patterson, Cherry Hudson, and maybe Paul Bako. Walt Jocketty’s guy is Masset. Somehow, I feel pretty confident that you were not Krivsky’s guy. You were Bob Castellini’s guy. If Krivsky had gotten us a manager, I doubt our frustration would be nearly as high. I can’t wait til you gut the system of Krivsky’s guys in offseason, and then bring in your guys and Jocketty’s guys. My Reds fandom can take a lot, but that might be too much.

by Brendanukkah on Aug 8, 2008 11:22 AM EDT 7 recs

no point in posting when you sum up my feelings so perfectly

rec’d

by jacob brumfield on Aug 8, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up 0 recs

Right now

my fandom is summed up as is:

I like going to games with my dad, it reminds me of when I was a kid. My relationship with the Reds is strictly experience-based, meaning, it’s nice to see a game, but only really a one game at a time thing. I have no expectations about larger success, and I can’t really name one player on the team that I like very much at all.

It sucks, it would be fun to be a fan of a team like the Red Sox, but this is what I was born into.

by bobestes on Aug 8, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up 0 recs

Perfect

rec’d

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Aug 8, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up 0 recs

Dusty is an embarrassment. He know that he is a bad fit for this team.

But chooses not to own up to it – What a small balls thing to do.

Too bad we couldn’t have thrown him in on the trade.

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 8, 2008 12:51 PM EDT 0 recs

I still don't see how Dusty is a players manager?

Like I could honestly buy the argument that he is an acceptable manager because he keeps things togeather in the clubhouse. But as I have said before his comments have either shown that he doesn’t know his players, or at least fails to communicate. Remember when he told the press Arroyo was hurt and he wanted Arroyo to get an MRI? Than the PRESS told Arroyo about Dusty’s statements and Arroyo seemed baffled. Cueto had a bad game in New York, and Dusty said well it is probably because he has family in New York and was too amped up. He didn’t actually you know ask Cueto if he had ramily in New York, because he is Dominican and just has to have family in New York.

Like what does he do? He doesn’t seem to prepare for games, judging that he doens’t believe in stats as much as he believes in his gut. (Statiness?) He doesn’t seem to communicate well with his players. About the only thing he has done since he got here was seduce Matt Belisle.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Aug 8, 2008 12:52 PM EDT 0 recs

funny thing

the teams that are not keeping things together in the clubhouse(or at least the dugout) are winning: Red Sox scuffle, Brewers, I am sure there are others. Tell me the last time you witnessed clubhouse tension from the royals, pirates, other losers. Maybe I am waaay off on that, but I would rather have a hectic clubhouse with guys who could win.

by jacob brumfield on Aug 8, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up 0 recs

i am just trying to find Dusty's postive attributes

and it doesn’t seem to be on our off the field.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Aug 8, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up 0 recs

Dusty Baker is out of touch with 21st century baseball -

He needs to managing for a big money, highly talented team for his approach to the game to work.
He really just needs to go fishin’.

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 8, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up 0 recs

Players usually blame shift

and act accountable in a very shallow, transparent way. So, in that respect, Dusty is most certainly a players manager.

Overserved and underwhelmed.

by Pops Daniels on Aug 8, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up 0 recs

Sometimes he 'feels like a player'

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 8, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up 0 recs

I find it hard to believe that anyone in the clubhouse

has heard about this, or I would think (hope?) that one of them would confront him about it.

In any event, this is pretty unbelievable.

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Aug 8, 2008 1:00 PM EDT 0 recs

Is the frustration with Baker only, or Jocketty as well?

Because I don’t think Dusty is Jocketty’s guy, either. Dusty was hired in October and Jock-o wasn’t brought on until January.

Personally, after watching Jocketty operate in St. Louis for five years, I think he can make the Reds a winner.
Clearly Dusty is a disaster and has to go and I think Jocketty will do everything he can to make that happen. Given the size and length of the contract, it may take a bit longer, but there’s no way this team will progress with Baker driving blind.

Jocketty was successful in St. Louis for three reasons. 1) He could evaulate talent and knew how to construct a roster 2) He made sure everyone in the organization knew he was in charge 3) He had an intelligent manager who shared many of his ideals

He wouldn’t have come to the Reds if he didn’t think he’d be successful and he won’t be with Dusty around, making #2 and #3 impossible.

Unless I’m completely wrong about Jock-o, or Dusty suddenly decides togo along with whatever he says, eventually there’s going to be some serious disagreement. Hopefully given Castellini’s past relationship with Jock-o, he’ll show Dusty the door.

by bengalred on Aug 8, 2008 1:38 PM EDT 0 recs

I'm stealing this from princeton at RedsZone

“This is Wayne Krivsky’s manager and not Walt Jocketty’s. I just hope there is a manager out there after the season that we can get to help us”

I’m optimistic about Jocketty, but I sure wish he had done more so far. My main concern with him is that other teams are a lot smarter than they used to be and he’s not going to be able to make the deals that he once made. We’ll see if that’s the case…unless he continues to do nothing.

All I’ve ever done was be Juan Pierre," he said. "I don’t know why, for some reason, they’re just sticking it to me this year."

by Slyde on Aug 8, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up 0 recs

I am also somewhat disappointed with the lack of movement so far

On the other hand, given this roster needs lots of new parts maybe Walt felt like he’d have more depth and breadth of option if he waits until the year is over and can evaluate the entire field.

While I think Walt’s capacity to make deadline-team-improving deals has been diminished, he’s still very good at taking junk off the heap in the offseason, getting 1-2 good years and then knowing exactly when it’s time to move on. Guys like Vina, Eckstein, Spezio, Womack (remember him!) and Matheny and pitchers like Woody Williams, Kent Bottenfield, Julian Tavarez, Steve Kline, etc. It’s amazing really, when you look back at his teams and individually you say, man, these guys were junk, but they won a lot of games.

You could argue LaRussa and Duncan had more to do with that than Jocketty, but those were Jocketty’s guys. They knew what they needed, Jocketty understood and was able to go out and find it. That won’t happen until Dusty is gone.

At least that’s my hope. My one last shred of hope.

by bengalred on Aug 8, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up 0 recs

i know youre trying to be optimistic

but this is not krivsky’s manager. it looks very clear that dusty was bob’s manager, and wayne didnt get a whole lot of say in the matter.

The real problem might be bob.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Aug 8, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up 0 recs

that's a problem

by jacob brumfield on Aug 8, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up 0 recs

yeah

you cant fire the owner

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Aug 8, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up 0 recs

Who was it that compared Bob

To Drayton McClane? That he may seriously think we’re one or two shrewd/lucky acquisitions from making a miracle run to the World Series?

That sent shivers down my spine because I couldn't argue against it.

How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?

by jch24 on Aug 8, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up 0 recs

Screw you, blockquotes

Screw you all the way to Screwsville.

How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?

by jch24 on Aug 8, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up 0 recs

I think it was me

I was referring to a theory Mark Patrick had about why the Astros acquired Randy Wolf.

He basically said that if you see the same odd personnel behavior extend through two different GMs, you have to wonder whether it’s the owner’s doing.

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by Man Mountain on Aug 8, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up 0 recs

Is that like

If you keep changing underwear and your ass is still dirty?

Overserved and underwhelmed.

by Pops Daniels on Aug 8, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up 0 recs

kind of like

me and lorenzo rolling in the benzo

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by Man Mountain on Aug 8, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up 0 recs

LAMAS!!!

Overserved and underwhelmed.

by Pops Daniels on Aug 8, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up 0 recs

RUN!!!

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by Man Mountain on Aug 8, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up 0 recs

I am confused by that....

but not as much as this

by jacob brumfield on Aug 8, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up 0 recs

Shit,

Michael Jackson’s got two kids. Maybe they used the same sperm donor.

Overserved and underwhelmed.

by Pops Daniels on Aug 8, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up 0 recs

The mother's name being "Jaymes" must have thrown him off.

"I got a list of demands written on the palm of my hands. I ball my fist and you're gonna know where I stand. We're living hand to mouth! Hand to mouth!"

by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Aug 8, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up 0 recs

That was it

And as I said, it scared me. I could totally see Castellini driving ill-conceived personnel decisions for some reason.

How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?

by jch24 on Aug 8, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up 0 recs

Bob is very impulsive and it clearly affects his judgement

However, I do think Jocketty, unlike Krivsky, will be able to calm Bob down and convince him he’s got everything under control. Eventually Bob will stop knee-jerking about every 10-15 game stretch and let Walt take over.

Sure Bob hired Krivsky, but he didn’t have the cache with Bob that Walt does.

He’ll have Bob lay down with his blankie and a tranquilizer and sing him a lullaby about the good ol’ days in St. Louie. “It’ll be just like it was at Busch, Bobbie, and we’ll contend for the division every year. You just have to trust Uncle Walt and everything will be juuuust fine. Juuuust fine. Now drink your juice and crawl back in bed…..

by bengalred on Aug 8, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up 0 recs

I don't think so

I think Bob can be the owner this city needs. I just don’t see any examples of why Bob is the problem. He fired Wayne prematurely but the guy brought us in someone who won a World Series and has a great track record as a GM. He also shelled out the money to a new closer, someone Wayne felt we “needed” and he shelled out big bucks to a successful manager who also has a great track record, but it now looks like Dusty’s record comes from luck. I don’t think he is like McClane at all. Bob is just in his first season and is still easily excited. He will learn.

He also seems to really like Dunn and thats the reason I don’t think Dunn is going anywhere. He also really wants to win and if Walt can convince him to spend the $ the right ways this team will have success. I also don’t think it will be too hard for Bob to see through Dusty’s bullshit and if he keeps losing he will get the axe at some point next season. If Tony LaRussa ever becomes an option Dusty will be out the door before you can say toothpick.

by kennythered on Aug 8, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up 0 recs

this Bob's 2nd season owning the Reds

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by Man Mountain on Aug 8, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up 0 recs

also, this is bob's third season owning the reds

if by “season” you guys mean “three-year stretch”, then yes, this is bob’s first season as the reds’ owner.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Aug 8, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up 0 recs

I think Bob is the owner this city needs

but not the owner this city wants.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Aug 8, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up 0 recs

I don't feel like finding a link

but Krivksy said after he was fired that he recomanded Dusty to Bob. So that leads me to believe he really did recomand Dusty, because Wayne was pretty fucking honest about his feelings after he was fired.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Aug 8, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up 0 recs

Not enough for a diary

But why in the world would a player block a trade from the Padres to the Red Sox?

How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?

by jch24 on Aug 8, 2008 2:05 PM EDT 0 recs

awesome

one big screw you to the ‘nation’. I like Giles more now.

by jacob brumfield on Aug 8, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up 0 recs

It definitely makes me respect him more

If he did it to stay in his hometown, good for him. If he did it because he couldn’t bring himself to play for the Red Sox, even better for him.

How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?

by jch24 on Aug 8, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up 0 recs

I think...

...he did it because he would not be an everyday player in Boston. He doesn’t want to be a bench player.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Aug 8, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up 0 recs

I'd shine the other players' shoes

To get a WS ring.

How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?

by jch24 on Aug 8, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up 0 recs

Me, too

But obviously, I don’t have the competitiveness of a pro ball player.

When news of the Giles claim broke, I was reading a Yankees blog. Almost everyone there said, “He’s going to block it, because he won’t get enough playing time in Boston.”

Sure enough…

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Aug 8, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up 0 recs

*some players would date the manager's less than beautiful daughter just to stay on the roster

and tell her he ‘loves her big booty’ if he gets $3.5 M and a lot of PT
ans promises that it won’t be his fault when m>Reds bat out of order in loss to Mets
next time

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 8, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up 0 recs

This is so much bullshit

I cannot believe that this quote slipped through the cracks. Heres another example of our wonderful Cincy media. If this was said anywhere else the manager would be bombarded with questions on what he means and why he is throwing his team under the bus.

by kennythered on Aug 8, 2008 2:43 PM EDT 0 recs

Just who might Dusty's guys be?

I mean there’s only one Neifi Perez to go around.

Overserved and underwhelmed.

by Pops Daniels on Aug 8, 2008 3:18 PM EDT 0 recs

Couple o' thoughts

1. I agree with many of the posters above. The guys we assume Krivsky wanted>>>>the guys we assume Dusty wanted. I’d be sorely disappointed if we got a team of Pattersons.

2. Slyde, I’d give Jockety a pass so far, in terms of remaking the team (if that’s what needs done).

If we give him the benefit of the doubt (that he knows what he’s doing), the in-season market may have tied his hands. For instance, I think the team still needs a solid #2 starter (Volquez has reverted to his old self the past couple of months, though his troubles started immediately after The Game). During the season, when everyone’s trying to make the playoffs, those guys are much more expensive (prospect-wise) than after the season, when some might even be available for “free” through free agency.

Plus, I’d divide the major league roster into guys you need to keep (Dunn, Votto, EdE, Bruce), guys you’d be selling low (Arroyo), and guys with no value (Patterson, Freel (because he’s injured), any of the catchers). Only 3 guys are really tradable, and in my mind expendable – Weathers, Lincoln, and Hairston. We don’t know if Jockety tried to move any of these three. If I had to guess, he couldn’t get anything of value for the relievers, and he didn’t try to move Hairston (or severely overvalued him).

One thing he didn’t do, which is the basis of my hatred of The Trade, is panic. Given his track record, I confident he won’t in the future, either.

Often wrong, never uncertain.

by sidnancy on Aug 8, 2008 3:42 PM EDT 0 recs

Love?

For Dunn? Outside of Red Reporter? What is this world coming too?

by jacob brumfield on Aug 8, 2008 4:31 PM EDT 0 recs

If Dunn signs with the Orioles, I'm an Orioles fan for at least a year or two.

Anything to battle that hopeless feeling I get when I think that Dusty still has another two years on his contract.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Aug 8, 2008 4:37 PM EDT up 0 recs

They have a really nice stadium

And Boog’s BBQ is supposed to be good (haven’t had it myself; always a big line).

by Brendanukkah on Aug 8, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up 0 recs

Meh

It was okay, but it wasn’t City Freaking Barbecue, that’s for sure. But it was cool to be able to go up and meet Boog Powell.

Man, I LOVE those magenta jerseys.

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Aug 9, 2008 9:13 AM EDT up 1 recs

Rec'd

Love me some City BBQ.

How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?

by jch24 on Aug 11, 2008 10:10 AM EDT up 0 recs

Pass the buck

Dunn is Bowden’s Guy. Bruce is O’Briens Guy. EE is Bowden’s Guy. BP is Kriv’s guy. Harang is Alamazar’s Guy. Etc, etc, etc.

So Alonso’s is Jocketty’s guy, right? Go get ‘em, fucko.

by obc2 on Aug 8, 2008 8:30 PM EDT 0 recs

Harang is Coleman's guy

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Aug 8, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up 0 recs

Another shitfest for Coco tonight

Dusty is a joke and the losing is pissing me off

Thank Cool God that the Olympics are started!!!!

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 9, 2008 12:13 AM EDT 0 recs