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Game 137: Reds vs Giants

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San Francisco Giants
@ Cincinnati Reds

Sunday, Aug 31, 2008, 12:35 PM EDT
Great American Ball Park

Matt Cain vs Bronson Arroyo

Sunny. Winds blowing in from right field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 80.

 

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W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2008 - Matt Cain 8-10 3.55 1.29 161 76

W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2008 - Bronson Arroyo 12-10 5.07 1.46 132 57

Over his last 11 starts Arroyo has had a very clear pattern of 2 good starts followed by a mediocre/crappy one.  He is coming off of consecutive starts where he's only given up one run, including the Reds first complete game on the season on Tuesday.  Hopefully his recent trend won't continue as it'd be nice to see the team win 3 in a row, even if it is against the Giants rather than one of the front runners.

As for Arroyo, outside of three terrible starts where he didn't even give his team a chance, he's had a respectable season.  I'm not suggesting that we eliminate those three starts from his evaluation.  Just saying that I'd rather have a pitcher like Arroyo that sucks ginormously in just a few starts and pitches well the rest of the way than someone with the same numbers who is consistently giving up 4 to 6 runs every start.  A pitcher like Arroyo can make for a very good 4th starter in next year's rotation.

Speaking of next year, a loss today or a win by the Cubs means that winning the division will officially have to wait until next year.  I know some of you are still holding out hope.

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nah

in 2005 we used to celebrate when we made it to 100 comments.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Aug 31, 2008 10:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah i like to think

that ive had alot to do with that. i was called up last May, and since then it seems like the site has just clicked.

Dusty Baker is dumb.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 31, 2008 10:47 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I've always felt like it was pretty much your doing

Before you showed up we didn’t have an anchor, but now you are here weighing us down.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Aug 31, 2008 10:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

lineup

Chris Dickerson LF
Jeff Keppinger SS
Joey Votto 1B
Edwin Encarnacion 3B
Jay Bruce RF
Jolbert Cabrera 2B
Corey Patterson CF
Paul Bako C
Bronson Arroyo RHP

No BP today. We all know how 26 year olds need days off just before an off day.

Also, this comes from Fay:

Today the Reds recalled from Class AAA Louisville C/IF/OF Wilkin Castillo (#26) and optioned to Class A Sarasota RHP Ramon Ramirez.

Castillo, 24, was acquired on 8/14 as a PTBNL in the 8/11 trade that sent OF Adam Dunn to Ari…in 115g at Class AAA Tucson and Louisville he combined to hit .248 and appeared in 54g at C, 5g at 2B, 48g at 3B, 6g at SS and 8g in LF…when he plays will be making his Major League debut.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Aug 31, 2008 10:56 AM EDT   0 recs

Damnit, BP is 27.

The off day makes sense then. He’s old.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Aug 31, 2008 10:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

But thankfully Patterson can still start.

Why Castillo and not Rosales?

I think we overmeet as a society.

by Gray on Aug 31, 2008 11:03 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Rosales can't be called up for 10 days or until rosters expand

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Aug 31, 2008 11:23 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually, the lineup and note are courtesy of Shannon Russell

There you go giving a man credit for a woman’s work. This is why it’s time for Palin.

4 CATCHERS!!!1

by ken on Aug 31, 2008 11:03 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They all look the same to me

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Aug 31, 2008 11:24 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what I meant to say was

I don’t see gender.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Aug 31, 2008 11:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that can cause problems...

just ask jch about that “girl” he met at the bar…

Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

by chandrathan on Aug 31, 2008 11:29 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

HEY NOW

No need to attack a man when he’s not here to defend himself! :)

How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?

by jch24 on Sep 2, 2008 2:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Same thing happened with Monty Python

everybody knows that Sarah is Michael Palin’s younger sister…but who got the credit?
Michael…. not

SARAH (pictured front left).

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 12:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

BTW here's the possible next VP of the USA

Love those platforms, Bitch

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 11:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Besides, BP's only hitting .100 in 10 AB versus Cain.

That is significant.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Aug 31, 2008 12:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Baker is such a saber-manager

I wish he would manage the game more with his gut.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Aug 31, 2008 12:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I looked up Corey Patterson's OPS+ in my gut.

Instead of on bb-ref, and felt much better about him starting tonight

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Aug 31, 2008 12:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It probably doesn't matter

I bet he makes his next start for Cincinnati. Maybe there was a roster crunch in Louisville.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Aug 31, 2008 12:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if corey patterson keeps his soli\d hitting up

we’re going to have to find a way to get him back at the top of the lineup.

Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

by chandrathan on Aug 31, 2008 11:27 AM EDT   0 recs

I just want to see if Bako can pass Patterson!

Bako: .206/.277/.316 in 303 PAs
Patterson: .201/.237/.345 in 303 PAs

I think we overmeet as a society.

by Gray on Aug 31, 2008 11:35 AM EDT   0 recs

so they bring up Castillo

and Cabrera and Patterson and Bako are STILL starting? im srsly gonna freak out.

Dusty Baker is dumb.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Aug 31, 2008 11:45 AM EDT   0 recs

liek srsly?

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Aug 31, 2008 12:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

BA makes 9 mil.? and that's cool as a 4th starter?

Dunn was moved to get younger. 4th makes bailey money

by SadbutTrue on Aug 31, 2008 11:59 AM EDT   0 recs

if you can replace him for cheaper

I’d love to see it.

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Aug 31, 2008 12:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Arroyo is better than the typical 4th starter.

He’d probably be a 3rd starter on many teams, though maybe not many playoff teams. His salary doesn’t hurt since the Reds have two better pitchers making the league minimum next season. After years of having pitchers like Arroyo be the #2 or even #1, it sure is nice to call him a #4, isn’t it?

Arroyo is paid reasonably for his production compared to similar pitchers (regardless of rotation slot). I doubt you can find a free agent pitcher to replace his production for much cheaper. And the Reds don’t have anybody right now that is ready to replace him in the minors. Would it be such a bad thing if Arroyo was the 4th or 5th starter next season?

"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling

by Slyde on Aug 31, 2008 12:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah Bob and Walt..'re going to go with the young guys? Fuck you

No Hannigan
No BP
C Dick still in LF
And More Hobart.
                                   ROOKIE CARD

VP this time of year is in the clubhouse/dugout (or on the campaign trail) Hobart should have been sent down and Rosales up with the big club getting valuable MLB experience.
I can almost hear Dustbrain’s Cayhunas slapping against Hobart’s chin about an hour before each game.

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 12:22 PM EDT   0 recs

I haven't watched a game in a long time.

And I’d forgotten how frustrating Kepp is at short.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Aug 31, 2008 12:40 PM EDT   0 recs

He'd be OK at 2B and Move BP to SS.

that would increase DPs and shore up the d-fense

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 12:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Blasphemy!

That kind of talk can get you banished from Reds country for being too logical.

Phone's ringing, Dude.

by rjdio on Aug 31, 2008 1:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Uh Sorry

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice 4 pitch walk by EdE

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Aug 31, 2008 12:51 PM EDT   0 recs

Votto goes the other way - EdE walks

Bruce needs to be patient

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 12:52 PM EDT   0 recs

Why did this game start so early?

And why can pitchers be replaced in the middle of an AB without injury?

www.crosleyfieldterrace.wordpress.com

by xjjeep90 on Aug 31, 2008 12:53 PM EDT   0 recs

Wow a Jaywalk!

Great Bases jammed for Hobart – Christ on a hubcap

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 12:54 PM EDT   0 recs

Hobart sucks the big one - KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 12:56 PM EDT   0 recs

Grat now we get Corey w/bases jammed

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 12:56 PM EDT   0 recs

No shit

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He did

Dusty called his daughter and it was a cold night for Copat

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 1:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

so the example is

if you hustle you get to do dusty’s daughter

Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

by chandrathan on Aug 31, 2008 1:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Or if you do Dusty ( a la Hobart ) you get to play

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 1:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Unbelieveable that we had the bases loaded with 1 out and did not get a run.

Looks like Bronson’s heating up

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 1:10 PM EDT   0 recs

BP would have had that dribbler

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 1:12 PM EDT   0 recs

does a designated hitter have to bat in place of the pitcher?

or could the dh hit in the place of a light hitting center fielder?

Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

by chandrathan on Aug 31, 2008 1:15 PM EDT   0 recs

Anyone

How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?

by jch24 on Sep 2, 2008 4:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cabrera, Patterson, Bako

Thanks, Reds, for making it even easier to ignore today’s game.

Kentuck Arts Festival: October 18th.
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by Man Mountain on Aug 31, 2008 1:16 PM EDT   0 recs

However after seeing the Crappy ol' leftover in his straw hat, idon't feel like its a complete waste of time

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 1:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ugh.

Considering what we owe Bronson, I could skip him trying to steal bases

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Aug 31, 2008 1:24 PM EDT   0 recs

agreed

he looked fleet, though. got an outstanding jump.

Kentuck Arts Festival: October 18th.
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by Man Mountain on Aug 31, 2008 1:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

More fucking small ball...

SB – blooper and a double by Votto – Go "Ede

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 1:24 PM EDT   0 recs

JayBruce to hit A SALAMI -please

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 1:26 PM EDT   0 recs

Fucking baseclogger

2nd time in a row for Hobart

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 1:28 PM EDT   0 recs

Thanks Dusty - I'd rather have LLM at 2b

If you need to give BP a day off

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 1:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dunn would have caught that one easily

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 1:35 PM EDT   0 recs

To make growing the grass out effective for us.

We’d need to get a couple groundball pitchers.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Aug 31, 2008 1:38 PM EDT   0 recs

'than - is that you kid who's getting molested by Gapper in your avatar pic?

darling baby, cute as a button – but I’d keep an eye on gapper

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 1:40 PM EDT   0 recs

How old is Cameron?

You can tell your uncle stuff that you could not tell your dad. That is kind of the role of an uncle. I feel very much like a father sometimes but sometimes I feel like a teammate.
Dusty Baker

by Madville on Aug 31, 2008 1:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs