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- I think Micah Owings -- who reportedly will be one of the players to fill out the Adam Dunn deal -- would be a good candidate for a move to the outfield. He batted cleanup as a DH for Tulane and is a well-documented slugger, albeit in few professional at-bats. But with claims of his extraordinary athleticism, I don't see any reason not to make Rick Ankiel comparisons. Owings was a mess on the mound for the D-Backs this season and is now in Tucson, where he's made 2 starts and given up 3 homers but is missing time with a shoulder injury. A move to a position makes all kinds of sense. (Also, check out Man Mountain's FanPost on Owings and LeatherPants.)
- Dunn wears No. 32 for Arizona, for which he got on base three times last night in a win. "It was the first time I'd been a part of a win in a long time," Dunn said. Ouchie. As for the 44, Owings is still on the team's 40-man, so he'll hold onto the rights to the number, I suppose.
- The Fay reports that Bronson Arroyo said last night that Dunn will seek a $100-$120 million contract.
- Aguido Gonzalez, who struck out 4 in 2 innings last night and still hasn't given up an earned run this season, is something of a badass.
- Still no news on Yonder Alonso, who has until Friday to sign with the Reds. Jim Callis at Baseball America thinks he's angling for a major league deal.
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I'm all for converting Owings
However, it would be nice if we were going to be able to see him in Cincinnati for the rest of the season. We have to give Dusty time to evaluate whether or not he can properly bunt.
by chandrathan on
Aug 13, 2008 9:13 AM EDT
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Sigh

I’m more a hello man and a welcome man than a good-bye man. And to me Adam Dunn was more a person than a player.
by Slyde on
Aug 13, 2008 9:16 AM EDT
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Who's that fat guy?
I bet he’s a lousy bunter who couldn’t get a two out single to save his life.
Overserved and underwhelmed.
by Pops Daniels on
Aug 13, 2008 9:17 AM EDT
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He looks Mighty
but I’ll bet the ball’s already in the glove
by bengalred on
Aug 13, 2008 9:46 AM EDT
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He's still in red anyway
And yes, I’m angry that so many teams are picking up red as a color. You wanted purple, Diamondbacks? You get purple!
by Brendanukkah on
Aug 13, 2008 9:54 AM EDT
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Copying
is the highest form of flattery?
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 13, 2008 11:42 AM EDT
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The effect falls apart once you start winning baseball games
by Brendanukkah on
Aug 13, 2008 11:50 AM EDT
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Well, hey.......
if YOU had to look at those awful purple/turquoise/gold unis, you’d be glad to move on to red, too.
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 13, 2008 12:28 PM EDT
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How long until everyone looks back on them with nostalgia?
by Red Menace on
Aug 13, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
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There's no such thing as nostalgia in Arizona
the population dies too quickly
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by Man Mountain on
Aug 13, 2008 2:30 PM EDT
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Hey, that's a decorated war hero and..
...future Pepsi and Viagra spokesman you’re snarking about!
Show some respect!
"Being a human cannonball is not just a job, Pee Wee. It's a career."
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Aug 13, 2008 2:51 PM EDT
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and visa check card
because he’ll go home to Arizona as their favorite son but won’t beable to write a check because he forget his ID.
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*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.
by justin007000 on
Aug 13, 2008 3:06 PM EDT
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Forgot his ID?
More like the 7-11 doesn’t accept parchment signed by God as legal ID.
“Social Security Number? Naught naught naught, naught naught, naught naught naught three. Damn Roosevelt and Burns!”
How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?
by jch24 on
Aug 13, 2008 3:14 PM EDT
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"What's 7-11? I keep telling you kids I don't own a computer!"

"Being a human cannonball is not just a job, Pee Wee. It's a career."
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Aug 13, 2008 3:25 PM EDT
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Everyone DID at the beginning of last year, when they switched colors,
and then after awhile, people realized that… in retrospect, looking at old footage, WOW…. were those uniforms UGLY, and stupid looking.
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 13, 2008 4:34 PM EDT
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wouldnt it be cool
if we made him into a true super utility, starting in the OF and coming in to pitch in relief late in the game? can you imagine how many “flat-outs” he would get for that?
by Charlie Scrabbles on
Aug 13, 2008 9:56 AM EDT
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He could be the next Brooks Kieschnick!
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on
Aug 13, 2008 10:01 AM EDT
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I think it's a little premature to give up on him as a pitcher
but if he’s actually the centerpiece of this deal, a move behind the mound might indeed be what Jocketty is up to here.
Or how about a move in front of it? A former pitcher turned slugger signal-caller?
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by Man Mountain on
Aug 13, 2008 10:03 AM EDT
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Agree
Owings hasn’t been a mess all year, just lately. And that’s coming off a solid rookie year (152.7 IP, 109 ERA+, 106/50 K/BB). This year, he had a great April (31 IP, 3.48, 28/9). His ERA regressed in May but he still had 33/11 K/BB in 38 IP. Since then he’s suffered from youthful inconsistency. Hopefully, whatever mechanical issue he’s having (heard something about dropping his elbow) can be worked out.
It would be cool to stick him in LF every once in a while, though.
by ken on
Aug 13, 2008 10:37 AM EDT
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I think he has most value as a pitcher
especially as a pitcher who knows what he’s doing at the plate and could provide a good AB as a RH pinch hitter.
Stick him anywhere else as an everyday player and he probably comes back to earth as a replacement level or just above replacement level hitter, which I think the Reds will have already by the time he would work his way back to the majors in a new capacity.
But who knows, it’s an exciting idea.
(PS: I think the catcher experiment is also an exciting idea, but would be a terrible move in reality. Not going to happen)
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by Man Mountain on
Aug 13, 2008 11:26 AM EDT
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"Stick him anywhere else as an everyday player and he probably comes back to earth as a replacement level or just above replacement level hitter"
why does this seem to be the overwhelming sentiment when he’s done nothing but rake in pro baseball? if you combine his major league and minor league numbers, he’s put up a .328/.360/.525/.885 line. Granted that’s only 177 at-bats, but that was all while focusing on pitching. If he became a full-time hitter and focused on his swing, i have to think he would continue to be that good, if not better.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on
Aug 13, 2008 4:04 PM EDT
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I'm stealing this from an email that Justin Inaz sent me
Here’s another line:
0.309/0.375/0.532 in 104 PA’s.
That’s Paul Bako’s line as of May 11th of this year.
The fact is that Owings hasn’t had THAT many PAs. I’m not saying he’s Paul Bako. But I’m also not saying he’s not.
I’m more a hello man and a welcome man than a good-bye man. And to me Adam Dunn was more a person than a player.
by Slyde on
Aug 13, 2008 4:13 PM EDT
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while that's true...
owings’ PAs have come over a span of 4 years. that seems to cut through the small sample size a bit.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on
Aug 13, 2008 4:16 PM EDT
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also
ive never heard anyone rave about bako’s athleticism or natural hitting instincts.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on
Aug 13, 2008 5:02 PM EDT
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ive never heard anyone besides George Grande, Jeff Brantley, Dusty Baker and three quarters of John Fay’s commenters up until May rave about bako’s athleticism or natural hitting instincts.
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by Man Mountain on
Aug 13, 2008 5:47 PM EDT
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Another interesting quote in that Dunn article
“This is my fourth year here,” Weathers said. “Everyone’s talked about needing change every year. They changed the bullpen. They changed the rotation. They changed certain parts, but they never changed those two parts (Dunn and Griffey).”
Weathers is a veteran guy and it sure sounds like he’s hinting these trades might be addition by subtraction. Did anyone else pick up on that, or am I reading way too much into it?
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by TheC on
Aug 13, 2008 10:25 AM EDT
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That's the way I read it too
Funny thing, when Weathers sucks as much as he has.
Overserved and underwhelmed.
by Pops Daniels on
Aug 13, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
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Yeah, it certainly sounds like he could be pinning the blame on those two
But in Weathers’ defense, maybe he just meant that it was their turn on the fixit-go-round. They changed the bullpen; that didn’t work (although the bullpen is a lot better this year). They changed the rotation; that didn’t work. They changed “certain parts”; that didn’t work. Now it was time to change slugging corner outfielders.
That’s only if I feel like defending Weathers though.
by Brendanukkah on
Aug 13, 2008 10:41 AM EDT
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I am trying to put a more positive spin on it
Its not about defending Weathers.. but maybe these two were a bigger downer on the clubhouse than I realized. If the young players can emerge now as leaders and bring a different attitude to the team, then maybe the trades will work out in the end. I think that’s what we have to hope for now.
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by TheC on
Aug 13, 2008 11:02 AM EDT
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Research done
And there you go…. the Reds are going to make the playoffs next year! I feel much better now.
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by TheC on
Aug 13, 2008 1:50 PM EDT
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FWIW
That’s all I would take from Weathers’ comments.
Even though Stormy has been a Red for awhile now, I doubt that he would consider himself some sort of grand old man of the clubhouse. He wouldn’t dis Dunn knowing that they might be Mets next April.
"Being a human cannonball is not just a job, Pee Wee. It's a career."
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Aug 13, 2008 11:06 AM EDT
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Surely
Weathers wouldn’t issue a 4 pitch lead-off walk knowing that he’s trying to hold a 2-run lead?
Weathers was calling out Griffey and Dunn and he can eat a dick.
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by Man Mountain on
Aug 13, 2008 11:13 AM EDT
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Sounds like Weathers needs Change We Can Believe In
by Red Menace on
Aug 13, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
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I only carry plastic, personally.
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 13, 2008 2:10 PM EDT
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Yonder's looking for a major league deal?
He’s killing himself to the Cincinnati media before he even signs. He’s probably better off not signing here at this point.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on
Aug 13, 2008 10:29 AM EDT
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can he steal a base?
can he hit behind the runner? can he skin a buck? then he doesnt have a prayer.
by Charlie Scrabbles on
Aug 13, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
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He doesn't look like the kind of kid
who makes those all important busy outs.
Overserved and underwhelmed.
by Pops Daniels on
Aug 13, 2008 10:34 AM EDT
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A little off topic, but
does anyone have the audio of that horrendous WLW promo when Dunn left? (cough, jch)
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on
Aug 13, 2008 10:37 AM EDT
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email me
How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?
by jch24 on
Aug 13, 2008 11:08 AM EDT
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hey man
can i get that too? i’ll be sending an email as well.
by Charlie Scrabbles on
Aug 13, 2008 11:20 AM EDT
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Doc finally gets what's coming to him.
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by BK on
Aug 13, 2008 11:26 AM EDT
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Congrats, Doc.
I bet he’s been working on that goal all season.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on
Aug 13, 2008 11:29 AM EDT
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Just what I was waiting for...
The FJM treatment. And I believe I was the first commenter on his blog to point out that Dunn did not in fact clear waivers like he said. Daugherty is a moron. Drives me nuts that this clown has a platform for his idiotic nonsense.
by cesarhernandez on
Aug 13, 2008 12:02 PM EDT
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I am gonna have sooooooooo much fun
With that Hannah Montana link.
How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?
by jch24 on
Aug 13, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
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I'm sure it keeps him up at night
If it gets him down, he’ll probably just rub one off to his “columnist of the year” trophy and proceed as if nothing happened
by bobestes on
Aug 13, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
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The trophy
that has Bill Plaschke’s picture on it? Perfect.
Overserved and underwhelmed.
by Pops Daniels on
Aug 13, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
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That one
honestly, I’d hate him so much more if his kid didn’t have down syndrome
it’s like with him and lance mcalister, they have these kids with problems, so it prevents me from hating them as much as I wish I could.
by bobestes on
Aug 13, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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Maybe god is punishing them for being bad people
/hulk hogan’d
by chandrathan on
Aug 13, 2008 4:42 PM EDT
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Don't make me break out an image
or a video link.
Really, I don’t think I can handle it.
How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?
by jch24 on
Aug 13, 2008 4:53 PM EDT
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He's young, cost-controlled, and still has some upside.
You guys are rebuilding, right? Keep him as a pitcher for now. It’s like having a DH every fifth day.
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Aug 13, 2008 11:56 AM EDT
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Ok, you were right about us getting Castillo (allegedly)
What do you (as the representative for D-Backs fans) think of him?
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by BK on
Aug 13, 2008 12:00 PM EDT
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Good defensively, potential to have a little pop offensively,
probably not good enough to be a ML starter, but still has plenty of room for growth, so I wouldn’t rule it out. Good pickup for you guys, and no huge loss for us because we’ve already got two young catchers in Chris “Balls of Steel” Snyder and Miguel Montero.
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by DbacksSkins on
Aug 13, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
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Plus,
we already have a AAAA catcher in Robby Hammock, (the guy who caught RJ’s perfecto) and Jamie D’Antona can catch a bit, too.
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Aug 13, 2008 12:17 PM EDT
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This may have been mentioned last night
but the worst thing about Arroyo’s comments is this: “As long as they keep the pitching staff in tact, I think we’ll be OK”
I know they are young and have promise, but they have also allowed the third most runs per game in the NL. Standing pat may not be the best plan of action.
I’m starting to think that Bronson may have a couple of honeys here in Cincy that he’s afraid he might lose if he gets traded.
I’m more a hello man and a welcome man than a good-bye man. And to me Adam Dunn was more a person than a player.
by Slyde on
Aug 13, 2008 12:47 PM EDT
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i think bronson will do alright wheverever he is
by chandrathan on
Aug 13, 2008 12:56 PM EDT
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you got a crush on him, don't you?
I’m more a hello man and a welcome man than a good-bye man. And to me Adam Dunn was more a person than a player.
by Slyde on
Aug 13, 2008 12:57 PM EDT
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Wherever, whereverever... whereverever?
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by BK on
Aug 13, 2008 12:59 PM EDT
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anyone kinda hope Adam hits a walk off homerun against the Reds?
As a reminder of all the non-clutch hits he has produced over the years.
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by justin007000 on
Aug 13, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
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not really against the reds.
Maybe in the World Series, though.
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by andromache on
Aug 13, 2008 3:48 PM EDT
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I'm still rooting for the Dodgers so I hope not
I just want Manny and the Dodgers to make the playoffs and not his old team the Red Sox…I’m kind of a Manny fan…
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by Zach K on
Aug 13, 2008 5:39 PM EDT
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Our boy cesarhernandez wandered into the Snakepit..
..and prompted a pretty interesting discussion about Micah Owings.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on
Aug 13, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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Please Sign Yonder
Please Sign Him
Please Sign Him
Please Sign Him
If we don’t it literally is the end of the world!
We have just saved 4 million-ish on Griffey and Dunn plus we won’t have those, so risky that they are worthless, extra picks to sign next year. Give him whatever he wants and get the deal done!
by kennythered on
Aug 13, 2008 5:29 PM EDT
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I think Micah Owings is a good return for Adam Dunn.
Let’s not forget last season Edinson Volquez was getting hammered in the Rangers rotation. Pitching is so fickle. It needs time to develop. And often you need a change of scenery to start over. (I think Homer Bailey needs to go somewhere else to succeed.)
If it were just Owings for Dunn, it would be a good deal for the Reds. Don’t get me wrong. I think Dunn was good. 40 HRs and 100 RBIs is hard to come by. But Dunn wasn’t going to be here long term, and Owings is a major-league ready pitcher with a lot of upside.
If he can turn it around, the Reds have another quality young arm in the rotation. Same can be said for Cueto.
by MyScreenNameIsKevin on
Aug 13, 2008 5:30 PM EDT
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Two things
1. Edison Volquez and Roy Halladay are the only two guys in recent history that got hammered in the majors, went back down to low A ball and to comeback in the majors as an All-Star. Stuff like that does not happen too often.
2. Yes the reds starting rotation has not been good but neither has the offense. Trading Adam Dunn the best offensive player for the Reds since 2002 will not help the team create more runs unless we get a huge free agent pick up {Burrell or Howard} and that won’t happen.
Now I have only been a serious Reds fan since 2001 but I’m so sick of giving up good or solid players for young players with “upside”. It hasn’t really worked out.
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by Zach K on
Aug 13, 2008 5:38 PM EDT
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Hey
Maybe Byrnes has an issue with selling low on prospects/young players and Owings becomes the pitcher version of Carlos Quentin!
by kennythered on
Aug 13, 2008 5:39 PM EDT
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I do disagree on Bailey though
And I don’t know if this was a good deal. Was it even? Maybe, but that doesn’t make it good.
by kennythered on
Aug 13, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
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somebody above me has probably already said this but I want to repeat it, if it in fact has already been said
Volquez has something Owings doens’t, a 96 MPH fastball.
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Aug 13, 2008 11:06 PM EDT
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I don't know GMs history as well as other on this site
but does anyone think since the “Scrappy World Champion Cardinals” in 2006, Walt thinks that is how you win a championship?
I mean obviously JP Retardy the Blue Jays GM thinks that way signing Little Bitch at short…
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Aug 13, 2008 5:42 PM EDT
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Since no one's really mentioned him
How about that Aguido Gonzalez? That’s pretty exciting stuff. And yes, boobs, he does look like a badass!
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Aug 13, 2008 5:44 PM EDT
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