Trade day thread, continued

Ted Warren/Associated Press
Here are a few links to keep the conversation going...
Jim Molony looks back on what mlb.com calls the "Disappointing Griffey era."
Jay Mariotti doesn't think the White Sox tried hard enough to improve. Color him unimpressed with Junior.
The Doc: "In hindsight, he never fit. Griffey never embraced Cincinnati. Cincinnati didn’t give him much of a chance. This isn’t a great town for superstars. We don’t cater well. In that respect, Griffey was always too big a presence. He wanted room service. We pointed to the drive-thru."
The Chicago Tribune's Mike Downey is "stoked" about the trade.
The Sporting News says Griffey "isn't an ideal fit" for the White Sox" -- quite an understatement.
And Keith Law likes the deal for both teams, although he calls Griffey "more of a mistake hitter than a true middle-of-the-order bat." He thinks the White Sox's defense will get worse no matter what, and he says Masset might stick as "a sinker-cutter guy in short stints."
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Comme ci comme ca
I will be more excited to see what it leads to this off season.
1st Cincinnati Reds Player: These guys don't look so tough.
2nd Cincinnati Reds Player: Yeah, that's what Custer said when the Indians took the field.
-Eight Men Out
by Willie Mays Hayes on Jul 31, 2008 6:45 PM EDT reply actions
son of a bitch bastard!!
Affeldt and Weathers are STILL here! i cannot be this hard to run a baseball team. it CAN NOT!! im just so tired of watching this team do wrong things.
please dont shit on my dreams. i dont want shit on my dreams.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 31, 2008 6:56 PM EDT reply actions
you'll feel better the first weeks of June next year.
FIRE DUSTY BAKER
yeah
but i could be feeling better right now.
please dont shit on my dreams. i dont want shit on my dreams.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 31, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
you think someone would offer something better than two picks?
FIRE DUSTY BAKER
I dunno...
Those are two of the biggest asshats in all of sports reporterdom, but Mariotti has Doc on 2 counts:
1. He gets personally nasty in his columns, while
2. Refusing (and joyfully so) to talk to the people he says such nasty things about.
Doc may be an especially bad writer with no idea of what makes a good or bad ballplayer, but Mariotti is all of that and apparently a bad person, too.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on Jul 31, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
let me throw out the name of the person who I think might be our centerfielder next season:
Rocco Baldelli.
FIRE DUSTY BAKER
and would it surprise anyone if it was Jim Edmonds?
I mean, really?
FIRE DUSTY BAKER
It would surprise the hell out of me
Then I’d remember who the manager is …....
I often think how different the world would be if Hitler had not been turned down when he applied for art school. - George Carlin
you don't think Jocketty has a soft spot for the guy?
FIRE DUSTY BAKER
and for the other 145 games?
pete rose to tony perez "how can anyone as slow as you pull a muscle?"
by dunnateher on Jul 31, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
boobs can we make a rule that bans the use of "lol"?
The Dusty Path to the World Series!*
*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.
by justin007000 on Jul 31, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Jul 31, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he's a Jocketty reclamation project
FIRE DUSTY BAKER
What I like about this trade is that Griffey will no longer be batting third in the REDS lineup.
I wish him well.
Reds fan for 40 years!
Who bats third now?
Bruce or Dunn? Here’s the lineup I hope to see:
Hairston CF
Bruce RF
Dunn LF
Phillips 2b
Votto 1B
Edwin 3B
Kepp SS
Catcher
Pitcher
Unfortunately, I think Kepp will hit No. 2, and Votto will be stuck batting No. 7
Phillips 4th???? Cummon!
1st Cincinnati Reds Player: These guys don't look so tough.
2nd Cincinnati Reds Player: Yeah, that's what Custer said when the Indians took the field.
-Eight Men Out
by Willie Mays Hayes on Jul 31, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
How about Pitcher 4th?
1st Cincinnati Reds Player: These guys don't look so tough.
2nd Cincinnati Reds Player: Yeah, that's what Custer said when the Indians took the field.
-Eight Men Out
by Willie Mays Hayes on Jul 31, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Sabathia, Owings, or the big fat Z
pete rose to tony perez "how can anyone as slow as you pull a muscle?"
If life made any sense whatsoever...
The order would be:
Hairston CF
Votto 1B
EdE 3B
Dunn LF
BP 2B
Bruce RF
Kepp SS
Witch C
Pitcher
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Jul 31, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
wait wait wait
did you forget we have CoPat?
by thedecline19 on Jul 31, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah. Forgot.
CF CoPat
RF CoPat
LF CoPat
1B Butt Buddy
2B Butt Buddy
3B Dusty’s Bitch
SS Dusty’s Bitch
C Witch
Pitcher
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Jul 31, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
richar is not playing for the bats, btw
although louisville has no chance—they’re facing tomo ohka
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
Not so...
The Curse of Tomo Ohka only works at the major-league level.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Jul 31, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok.
Maybe it does work on all Reds affiliates.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Jul 31, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
one other thing i just realized
the white sox are in kansas city tomorrow, so Joey Poz will get to write something bad-ass about Griffey’s first day as a Sox.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
Wow... This trade actually happened...
I’m actually not at all upset with this deal. Griffey just isn’t the stud he used to be. He’s still a decent player, but I feel like the salary this frees up needs to be used well to get the real idea oof this trade’s importance.
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
after ive had a few hours to digest this
i realize it is what is best for the team. he wasnt any good any more and any return is better than none, but he was still my childhood hero. it just seems like he was discarded, tossed the curb unceramoniously.
after reading what has been written about his time here and how scorned he was, its just hard being one of the few who will really miss him, for better or worse. his time with the team really left a sore spot its true, but the way he left just rubbed salt in the wound.
but i will never forget that upper deck shot he hit last night, and that i was blessed enough to see the great Ken Griffey Jr play baseball for my team. its so weird; i advocated trading him for a while, but now thats its happened im very emotional about it. like there was always a slim ray of hope that the Great Ken Griffey would come alive and lead this team to redemption, but now that hope is all gone. i dont know. we’ll play another one tomorrow.
please dont shit on my dreams. i dont want shit on my dreams.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 31, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions
what the hell causes that bracketing thing?
it ruined my whole post.
please dont shit on my dreams. i dont want shit on my dreams.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 31, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
(the middle)
after reading what has been written about his time here and how scorned he was, its just hard being one of the few who will really miss him, for better or worse. his time with the team really left a sore spot its true, but the way he left just rubbed salt in the wound.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
are you some kind of internet magician?
please dont shit on my dreams. i dont want shit on my dreams.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 31, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
magic. got it.
please dont shit on my dreams. i dont want shit on my dreams.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jul 31, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Felipe Lopez and Paul LoDuca were released tonight
Speculation that Kearns is the next to go, with Bowden fired after this year.
yikes
I guess this means they couldn’t get even a bucket of balls for either one.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
man, Krivsky was such a moron for trading those two.
worst trade ever
by jacob brumfield on Aug 1, 2008 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Fom Molony's MLB.com article:
Reds fans will remember the excitement that February day in 2000 when the Reds announced the team had acquired hometown hero Griffey from Seattle for Brett Tomko, Mike Cameron, Antonio Perez and Jake Meyer.At the press conference Junior was beaming, GM Jim Bowden was grinning like a 1950s Buick…
Huh.
Huh?
"Being a human cannonball is not just a job, Pee Wee. It's a career."
What would forty year-old similes do without Google Image Search?
"Being a human cannonball is not just a job, Pee Wee. It's a career."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 1, 2008 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Tomorrow's line up and batting order by Dusty's LOA
Jerry Jr, CF
Kepp 2B
Dunn LF
BP 2b
EdE 3b
Bruce RF
Votto !b
BLahko C
P
My Batting order/line up
Jerry Jr. SS
Bruce RF
Dunn LF
EdE 3B
BP SS
Votto 1B
Ross C
Keppinger 2b
Pitcher
I like mine better than Dusty’s (proposed order) I’ll be interested to which, out of all the lineups that have been posted comes the cosed to DB’s.
Does Copat = Butt Boy, Paul ?
Could these guys on your team Dusty,,,they look like butt buddies


your prison bitch Mr. toothpick
and your witch Mr, Ross

WE can no longer rely on Logic, common sense or sabrmetrics…Let us carve funereal figures,masks of power, create bold fetishes and bring the light of informed reason to the Infidel Dusty Baker. These indigenous African tools were very powerful and the chosen person can still wield then today, Some say I am Madville ?
I often think how different the world would be if Hitler had not been turned down when he applied for art school. - George Carlin
Wow, bitch.
you’ve got your dander up. Relax-——dad says they’re not gonna win this season. Relax. Enjoy the fact that Chinese antiques no longer make/break you.
I heart Man Mounting.
Ah your Gayness, right you are..it was the Coors talking last night.
Yet a little indigenous religious broo-ha ha can’t hurt in the fight against Mr. Toothpick. Mr. T is mighty entrenched in the past.
I often think how different the world would be if Hitler had not been turned down when he applied for art school. - George Carlin
Fay drops some kownledge
After sleeping on it for a night, I’m fine with this deal. I think emotions were hidden below the surface that caused me to dislike the deal. For as poorly as he’s played, Griffey is still a Hall of Famer and emotionally you want him to be worth more than he really is worth. The Reds are saving money AND somebody gave them some replacement parts as well. It’s not a great deal, but as Fay says, “the White Sox did the Reds a huge favor here.”
Then Fay also says, “I think the sentiment inside the baseball department still is to Dunn him go, but if he continues to hit close to what he’s hit in July that could change.”
Obviously the first half of the sentence is gobbledygook, but it’s the second half that really bothers me. If they need two more months of Adam Dunn performing well to be convinced that he’s worth keeping then the organization is screwed. Dunn is one of the 10 most consistent hitters over the last 5 years. Every year his numbers look ridiculously similar. If you don’t know what to expect from him, then you haven’t been paying attention.
Bend over and drop your pants, Mr. Babar.
If Krivsky was still here, no doubt.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Aug 1, 2008 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Garfield Minus Garfield
They’re gonna do a book. Awesomeness abounds.
How can such a good looking man be so bad at getting to first base?
"baseball department"
"Being a human cannonball is not just a job, Pee Wee. It's a career."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Aug 1, 2008 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
i was just about to post this
had it copied and ready to paste. check out the second “fayagraph.” i think its probably a pretty to “dunn him go” too
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
fay is rubbing off on me... christ
*i think its probably a pretty good idea to “dunn him go” too.
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
What's worse, the Reds continually waiting for Adam Dunn to change
Or us continually waiting for the Reds to change?
That is a Coincidence and Irrelevant!
by chandrathan on Aug 1, 2008 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the 2000 model?
fancy!
That is a Coincidence and Irrelevant!
by chandrathan on Aug 1, 2008 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Friday's lineup, according to Fay:
Lineup for Reds at Nationals, 7:35 p.m.
Jerry Hairston Jr. cf
Jeff Keppinger ss
Jay Bruce rf
Brandon Phillips 2b
Adam Dunn lf
Edwin Encarnacion 3b
Andy Phillips 1b
David Ross c
Homer Bailey p
Reds fan for 40 years!
I'm getting sick of the Reds always coming to DC around the trade deadline
I don’t think I have time to whip up a “CHERRY!” sign.
That's what I was afraid of.
Of course Kepp is still in the 2-spot. And Dunn still hitting 5th, even with Junior gone.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Aug 1, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
In Odalis Perez's last 3 starts, covering 15 innings
he’s given up 26 hits, 14 ERs, 3 BBs, while striking out 13.
Will we get the hits or the Ks?
Reds fan for 40 years!
I finally went over to South Side Sox to see their reaction
Three things.
1) The fact that there’s some straight-faced debate of the merits of Griffey versus the merits of DeWayne Wise makes me sick to my stomach.
2) They seem to universally regard the loss of Masset as “addition by subtraction.” Yippee.
3) Holy crap! Chicago baseball blogs can have people with demonstrable intelligence, wit, and sense of humor! I now hate Cubs fans even more.

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