Maybe Jocketty has risen from his nappy.

Man oh man

I’d be sooooooo happy if they grabbed one of those guys. I’d prefer Salty as well, and I’d throw out a Bailey/Thompson/prospect offer and see if they bite.

On another angle, in the expected scenario where Dunn is a goner, do you make a run at Mark Teixeira and move Votto to LF next year?

sig lines are for suckas

by jch24 on Jul 29, 2008 9:50 AM EDT 0 recs

I've gone back and forth on Teixeira

and I’ve decided that I think the $16-18 million a year could be better spent elsewhere. I’d rather they made a run at Sabathia if they are going to spend that money mainly because I think Frazier and Yonder (if he ever signs) will be bring some potent bats to the Majors in a year or two and they will need a place to play.

It's a lousy night to be an atheist!

by Slyde on Jul 29, 2008 9:54 AM EDT up 0 recs

I agree

After what I have read about Teagarden he is the played I would prefer. He is the only catcher they have for whom I would give up Homer. He has a high OBP in the minors and is said to be excellent behind the plate. I dont think Laird is an upgrade over what we have now and the other 2 guys they have are not that solid defensively.

by CamIam on Jul 29, 2008 10:07 AM EDT up 0 recs

what?

you just said yesterday that one shouldnt make plans around a minor leaguer who hasnt proved himself. Now you want to do just that? Flip-flopper!

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jul 29, 2008 10:18 AM EDT up 0 recs

changing a player's position

and signing a 6-year/$100 million contract are two different topics.

It's a lousy night to be an atheist!

by Slyde on Jul 29, 2008 10:29 AM EDT up 0 recs

yeah!

one is a way bigger undertaking and, ya know, irreversible. terrific point.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jul 29, 2008 10:39 AM EDT up 0 recs

oh wait

maybe you were being sarcastic and self-deprecating…

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jul 29, 2008 10:40 AM EDT up 0 recs

maybe ill just shape this conversation to my liking with use of the delete function

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jul 29, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up 0 recs

This is the perfect deal for Bailey to be in.

Change of scenery deal, going home to Texas… and the Reds get their catcher of the future. Common Walt!

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Jul 29, 2008 10:03 AM EDT up 0 recs

thats dumb

Anyone who is trying to cough up Bailey better make their opinions known now because once your off the boat dont be expecting to jump back on in a year when he is a ma fudgin all-star terroring shit up!!!!!!!! Look at Edinsons stats his first starts he was like 1-10, think the Rangers fans regret hating on him, not as much since they got Hamilton but you get my point, it takes time, too many people are jumping ship on Homer its stupid

Brent Jonathan Beck

by Brent Beck on Jul 29, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up 0 recs

Making my opinions known.

I think he’s going to end up a great pitcher, but he needs a change of scenery. His personality’s already worn him to the media and his teammates, and the home fans are starting to sour on him as well. Too many terrible starts after coming up with huge expectations has made him a punchline in this town, and we finally have the depth to make a deal like this (barring injuries, of course), He could end up being exactly like what Volquez was to Texas. I think the Rangers fans will be just fine with Hamilton, and I think that this can be a similar deal if we were to get Salty and a low minors pitching prospect in return. If Salty ends up being the next Bench, or hell, the next Bo Diaz, I’d be fine giving up a head case like Bailey. I still think he’ll be a “ma fudgin all-star terroring shit up!!!!!!!!”[sic], but not in Cincinnati. He’s a perfect fit in Texas, being it his home state, and they’re looking for starting pitching in return for one of their catchers. So, as I stated before, pull the ma fudgin trigger, Walt!

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Jul 29, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up 0 recs

I'm with ya

Do not deal Bailey! At the very least, do not deal him now. His stock has NEVER been lower and I’d be willing to bet it will never again be as low.

Bailey will be fine. Besides, Thompson AND Bailey. Are you kidding? It only took ONE starting pitching prospect to get Hobbs, who was a proven thing. Salty has not proven his worth yet. He could be great and I really would like to have him but not at that cost.

by kennythered on Jul 29, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up 0 recs

Rumor is that at least 20 teams have inquired about the Rangers catchers

I don’t know if he’s on the market, but I’d prefer Taylor Teagarden first, mainly because he’s supposedly gold glove level defense. There are questions about whether Salty can stay at catcher for the long term and Gerald Laird is just a cheaper version of David Ross, if you ask me.

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by Slyde on Jul 29, 2008 9:52 AM EDT 0 recs

I agree.

I’d be really disappointed if we ended up trading away half the farm for Gerald Laird.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Jul 29, 2008 10:02 AM EDT up 0 recs

Agreed, as well. I don't trust people named Gerald.

That’s not true, but if we traded for Laird, it’d probably become true

"I got a list of demands written on the palm of my hands. I ball my fist and you're gonna know where I stand. We're living hand to mouth! Hand to mouth!"

by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jul 29, 2008 10:03 AM EDT up 0 recs

Don't hate on the G-Bear

sig lines are for suckas

by jch24 on Jul 29, 2008 10:34 AM EDT up 0 recs

re:my slydeFeud

to catch everyone up, Slyde and I had a conversation yesterday about Edwin. With his recent offensive explosion, he’s risen to No. 2 on the team in RAR, but he’s still way down in total value because his defense has been atrocious. Slyde made the point that the team should consider moving Edwin to left field, and I said I didn’t think that was such a good idea given Yonder on the horizon. I imagine by 2010 at the latest, Yonder should be our starting first baseman and Votto should be moved to left (unless he can play third). And that’s when Slyde made his now-infamous statement that you can’t build a team around prospects who haven’t proven themselves.

Today he thinks it’s ok to build your team around prospects that can’t prove themselves, as long as you sign the new pieces to long, expensive deals.

The point is, do you guys think it’s a good idea to make decisions now that might impact a potential stud prospect down the road, even if that prospect hasn’t played a day of pro baseball?

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jul 29, 2008 10:56 AM EDT 0 recs

Hmm all this talk about left field..

So you guys think that it is a foregone conclusion that Dunn is gone by next year?

I often think how different the world would be if Hitler had not been turned down when he applied for art school. - George Carlin

by Madville on Jul 29, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up 0 recs

I really do

I think Castellini may try to keep Dunn at the last minute but I think once he hits the open market, the reds get outbid.

sig lines are for suckas

by jch24 on Jul 29, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up 0 recs

We Should trade EDWIN!

Why?

TWO WORDS: Juan Francisco

He is a star up and coming at 3rd base who is 21 years old right now, he played against the US in for the World Team before the All-Star game and stood out among his teammates and peers in the “rising star” game. The same team and game Joey Votto stood out for (Canadian) last year.

Full Name: Juan Ramon Francisco
Born: June 24,1987 in Bonao, Dominican Republic
Height: 6-2 Weight: 180 Bats: Both Throws: Right

We need pitching and catching. Edwin in my mind is expendable, not to mention a skum bag. I know this ho’ bag at my college (Miami University) who has been bangin’ the dude all the time since meeting him on spring break last year during spring training, haha, and the dude has a family and she is just a 21 year old ho’! Get him outta town.., (that is a true story)

Brent Jonathan Beck

by Brent Beck on Jul 29, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up 0 recs

thats why I dont think trading Homer is smart at all

Just think about how better his trade value will be if he continues progressing, don’t jump ship on this dude now, that would just be stupid.

Brent Jonathan Beck

by Brent Beck on Jul 29, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up 0 recs

they have Hank B though so its unlikely, just making my case

on why we should look into interested buyers for Edwin

Brent Jonathan Beck

by Brent Beck on Jul 29, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up 0 recs

I like Juan Francisco and all

but he’s posting a .786 OPS in A+. Edwin is posting an .838 OPS in the Majors.

At the same age, Edwin was posting better numbers in Double-A, though with fewer homers and more doubles. If Francisco was going to be ready next year, then I’d consider trading Edwin, but with the way EdE’s been hitting the last two months, it would take A LOT for me to consider trading him right now.

It's a lousy night to be an atheist!

by Slyde on Jul 29, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up 0 recs

I agree

That we should not trade EdE b/c of Francisco but if we plan on keeping Dunn, which I think Castellini does, then we should look at trading EdE. Kepp can play 3B until Frazier gets up here, then we can look at moving Votto, positionally or on the trade market. Prospect Log jams at a position can be highly beneficial. It got MIL Sabathia, ATL Teixeira, and the list goes on. So I don’t really mind having Yonder and Votto, with EdE, Frazier, Dunn, etc. We just have to evaluate talent well and realize these guys best trade value. I really like EdE but I do think he is replaceable in the near future with our prospects.

by kennythered on Jul 29, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up 0 recs

Yes

I have a feeling that Dunn hates playing in Cincinnati.

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by Slyde on Jul 29, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up 0 recs

yeah right

his best friends are Griffey and Jay Bruce, he loves Jay Bruce, he sees the pitching improving, he wants to stay. That dude loved playing with the Dayton Dragons and the Reds, get outta town!

Brent Jonathan Beck

by Brent Beck on Jul 29, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up 0 recs

Dayton was 8 years ago

There’s a lot of water under the bridge since then. He gets booed in his home park regularly. The Hall of Fame announcer in town rarely misses a chance to take a shot at him. Yeah, he has some fans and friends in town, but there’s got to be a point when he says enough is enough.

It's a lousy night to be an atheist!

by Slyde on Jul 29, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up 0 recs

Mary B can lick my nut sack

That dude sucks now, ever since that old dick head got the hall of fame under his belt he thinks he can say whatever the fuck he wants. They should give him the gut check and trade his ass. If it has anything to do with him thats more reason to hate Marty B, what has he done for the Reds other than convey information via air waves. Screw him, he couldnt even fluidly verbalize Griffeys 600th homerun, he sounded like a babbling retard, great job “hall of famer”, maybe people need to start talking shit about Marty to make him shut his old mouth up. That dude pisses me off, and when his kids on FSN I am even more displeased because he sucks twice as much as his “dad”.

Fire MARTY, keep Dunn. Marty is an overrated d-bag who hates on his own team, I wish the cowboy would punch him in the stomach one night so we could save our ears from the player hater that is marty b.

Vin Scully, Red Barber, Ernie Harwell, Mel Allen, Jack Buck, those are real announcers, Harry Carrey, he always loved every Cub, get Marty Brenneman the hell out of town. You saying that makes me hate the guy even more because if he part of the reason we lose Dunn I would hate Marty forever.

Brent Jonathan Beck

by Brent Beck on Jul 29, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up 0 recs

Why?

That dude sucks now, ever since that old dick head got the hall of fame under his belt he thinks he can say whatever the fuck he wants. They should give him the gut check and trade his ass. If it has anything to do with him thats more reason to hate Marty B, what has he done for the Reds other than convey information via air waves. Screw him, he couldnt even fluidly verbalize Griffeys 600th homerun, he sounded like a babbling retard, great job “hall of famer”, maybe people need to start talking shit about Marty to make him shut his old mouth up. That dude pisses me off, and when his kids on FSN I am even more displeased because he sucks twice as much as his “dad”.

Fire MARTY, keep Dunn. Marty is an overrated d-bag who hates on his own team, I wish the cowboy would punch him in the stomach one night so we could save our ears from the player hater that is marty b.

Vin Scully, Red Barber, Ernie Harwell, Mel Allen, Jack Buck, those are real announcers, Harry Carrey, he always loved every Cub, get Marty Brenneman the hell out of town. You saying that makes me hate the guy even more because if he part of the reason we lose Dunn I would hate Marty forever.

Brent Jonathan Beck

by Brent Beck on Jul 29, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up 0 recs

apologies for two posts... accident

Brent Jonathan Beck

by Brent Beck on Jul 29, 2008 12:08 PM EDT up 0 recs

so you responded to yourself by quoting yourself?

very meta.

It's a lousy night to be an atheist!

by Slyde on Jul 29, 2008 12:08 PM EDT up 0 recs

Had to vent about Marty

He really pisses me off lately, I feel like a Hall-of-Fame announcer should be positive. If the dweeb wanted to have an opinion about players on a talent level maybe he should have gone into baseball operations not play-by-play announcing.

Marty always sucked at sports and always just wanted “in” with athletes. Now that he is officially a hall of famer he thinks he is a baseball expert but in reality he was only ever an expert at conveying information about what he saw to fans very well and did so in a great manner. No he thinks he is a baseball genius who can hate on our players whenever he wants and has knowledge about the game. Just because he has been watching baseball in an announcing chair for decades doesn’t make him Theo Epstein.

Send him to the Toronto Blue Jays, their GM would love to have him.

Brent Jonathan Beck

by Brent Beck on Jul 29, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up 0 recs

I Agree

But with all of the “offers” the Reds have gotten for Dunn it looks as if no one else values him. So we may be able to keep him not at a discount, but not for as expensive as one might think. Plus two first rounders would not be too bad anyway.

Are we going to get picks for Griffey too? I guess we’d have to decline his option the offer him Arb. Is that normal?

by kennythered on Jul 29, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up 0 recs

I don't know if it's normal

but it is what would have to happen. The same with Dunn (minus the declining option). I’ve heard rumors that Griffey wants to stay in Cincinnati (why? I have no idea), so offering arbitration might be risky. Then again, that is likely just lip service.

It's a lousy night to be an atheist!

by Slyde on Jul 29, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up 0 recs

What's the maximum pay decrease in arbitration?

Isn’t it something like 20%?

sig lines are for suckas

by jch24 on Jul 29, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up 0 recs

I leave that question for ken

he’s the CBA man

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by Slyde on Jul 29, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up 0 recs

What if

We offer him Arb and he retires?

by kennythered on Jul 29, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up 0 recs

I think the 20% rule

only applies to players still “under reserve” – less than six years of service time. The rationale being that they don’t have the right to shop their services to other teams. So for guys like Griffey I don’t think the 20% rule applies, but I could be wrong.

If I’m the CBA man, I must be spending way too much time here.

by ken on Jul 29, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up 0 recs

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth...

It is better being the CBA man than the MRI man.

Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.

by Paul Householder on Jul 29, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up 0 recs

His Mom and Dad want him to win a WS in cincti. Just like Sr.

I often think how different the world would be if Hitler had not been turned down when he applied for art school. - George Carlin

by Madville on Jul 29, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up 0 recs

Funny Story

This is a little random, but it involves Dunn.

I was at a game last year and had seats a little past third. Adam Dunn had a sucky fielding play, and some fat guy wassss heckling him. Dunn yelled back one of these three things:

“Why don’t you try playing, fatass?”
“Why don’t you come on down and say that to my face, fatass?”
“Go get another hotdog, fatass!”

I think it was the first one, but either way it was the funniest part of the ballgame. He screwed up that play big time, and probably deserved to get heckled. I didn’t hear what the guy said, but the response was priceless. For him, it’s also probably the greatest story to tell his friends.

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by Colts Homer on Jul 29, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up 0 recs

I wouldn't put Votto in the long term plans

FIRE DUSTY BAKER

by Blue on Jul 29, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up 0 recs

brent beck

we’ve deleted your texas catchers diary twice. it’s because this one already exists, and theyre the same thing. we only need one.

of course, if you weren’t aware this one is here, you probably wouldnt be reading this message…

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jul 29, 2008 11:03 AM EDT 0 recs

mines bodacious though come on

Brent Jonathan Beck

by Brent Beck on Jul 29, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up 0 recs

we don't need two in one day

It's a lousy night to be an atheist!

by Slyde on Jul 29, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up 0 recs

i LUDDAT SALTAMACCHIA

THOUGH FOR REAL!

Brent Jonathan Beck

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Saltalamacchia & Houshmandzadeh

TOGETHER AGAIN!

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by Brent Beck on Jul 29, 2008 11:30 AM EDT 0 recs

That commercial is gonna be kick ass

the two longest names in the MLB and NFL in one city!!!

HOLY COW!

Brent Jonathan Beck

by Brent Beck on Jul 29, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up 0 recs

GEEZ LOUISE

Why did my fan/post get taken down again??

Thanks a lot guys…

Brent Jonathan Beck

by Brent Beck on Jul 29, 2008 11:46 AM EDT 0 recs

Dude

we don’t need to fanposts on the exact same topic, no matter how super badass your post was. It just splits the conversation unnecessarily.

It's a lousy night to be an atheist!

by Slyde on Jul 29, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up 0 recs

uh, that' "two fanposts"

It's a lousy night to be an atheist!

by Slyde on Jul 29, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up 0 recs

THOUGH FO REALZ!!

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by Man Mountain on Jul 29, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up 0 recs

You opened up a can of worms you with you didnt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im bringing my

so watch out, brosiff!

Brent Jonathan Beck

by Brent Beck on Jul 29, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up 0 recs

lolcatz at dawn?

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by Man Mountain on Jul 29, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up 1 recs

to threads wants it's joke back

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Jul 29, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up 0 recs

cool

and Mel Gibson wants his mullet back

but neither will happen!

Brent Jonathan Beck

by Brent Beck on Jul 29, 2008 12:10 PM EDT 0 recs

I don't understand 95% of the posts you make

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Jul 29, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up 0 recs

you actually understand 5%?

you should teach a class to the rest of us!

So hey, umm....do you guys mind if I have this fruit roll-up?

by chandrathan on Jul 29, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up 0 recs

Karate Weddings

Does that clear things up?

Brent Jonathan Beck

by Brent Beck on Jul 29, 2008 12:13 PM EDT 0 recs

thats better

thats the brent beck i grew to tolerate

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jul 29, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up 0 recs

Me too

Chinchilla parenting = the only way

Brent Jonathan Beck

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