Maybe Jocketty has risen from his nappy.
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jul 29, 2008 9:42 AM EDT
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From ESPN Insider today:
Reds scout Texas catchers
The Cincinnati Reds had a scout at the Texas-Oakland game on Saturday in order to take a look at catchers Gerald Laird and Jarrod Saltalamacchia. The Rangers are apparently willing to part with one of the two, and the Reds are looking to add a catcher since none of their three catchers are under contract for next season, the Cincinnati Enquirer reports.
Now, I know there are always scouts at games, but isn't it nice to think that maybe Uncle Walt has noticed that Texas has a surplus of young talented catching prospects and that the Reds have no catchers signed for next year? I'd personally like Saltalamacchia because that's a fun name to say (Tigrmetrics?).
What is the likelihood of this actually happening? What would it take to get it done? Would a Bailey / Thompson plus one or two marginal prospects be enough?
I know we've surmised about this before, but I just like to hope.
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Man oh man
I’d be sooooooo happy if they grabbed one of those guys. I’d prefer Salty as well, and I’d throw out a Bailey/Thompson/prospect offer and see if they bite.
On another angle, in the expected scenario where Dunn is a goner, do you make a run at Mark Teixeira and move Votto to LF next year?
sig lines are for suckas
I've gone back and forth on Teixeira
and I’ve decided that I think the $16-18 million a year could be better spent elsewhere. I’d rather they made a run at Sabathia if they are going to spend that money mainly because I think Frazier and Yonder (if he ever signs) will be bring some potent bats to the Majors in a year or two and they will need a place to play.
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I agree
After what I have read about Teagarden he is the played I would prefer. He is the only catcher they have for whom I would give up Homer. He has a high OBP in the minors and is said to be excellent behind the plate. I dont think Laird is an upgrade over what we have now and the other 2 guys they have are not that solid defensively.
what?
you just said yesterday that one shouldnt make plans around a minor leaguer who hasnt proved himself. Now you want to do just that? Flip-flopper!
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
changing a player's position
and signing a 6-year/$100 million contract are two different topics.
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yeah!
one is a way bigger undertaking and, ya know, irreversible. terrific point.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
maybe ill just shape this conversation to my liking with use of the delete function
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
This is the perfect deal for Bailey to be in.
Change of scenery deal, going home to Texas… and the Reds get their catcher of the future. Common Walt!
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
thats dumb
Anyone who is trying to cough up Bailey better make their opinions known now because once your off the boat dont be expecting to jump back on in a year when he is a ma fudgin all-star terroring shit up!!!!!!!! Look at Edinsons stats his first starts he was like 1-10, think the Rangers fans regret hating on him, not as much since they got Hamilton but you get my point, it takes time, too many people are jumping ship on Homer its stupid
Brent Jonathan Beck
Making my opinions known.
I think he’s going to end up a great pitcher, but he needs a change of scenery. His personality’s already worn him to the media and his teammates, and the home fans are starting to sour on him as well. Too many terrible starts after coming up with huge expectations has made him a punchline in this town, and we finally have the depth to make a deal like this (barring injuries, of course), He could end up being exactly like what Volquez was to Texas. I think the Rangers fans will be just fine with Hamilton, and I think that this can be a similar deal if we were to get Salty and a low minors pitching prospect in return. If Salty ends up being the next Bench, or hell, the next Bo Diaz, I’d be fine giving up a head case like Bailey. I still think he’ll be a “ma fudgin all-star terroring shit up!!!!!!!!”[sic], but not in Cincinnati. He’s a perfect fit in Texas, being it his home state, and they’re looking for starting pitching in return for one of their catchers. So, as I stated before, pull the ma fudgin trigger, Walt!
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
I'm with ya
Do not deal Bailey! At the very least, do not deal him now. His stock has NEVER been lower and I’d be willing to bet it will never again be as low.
Bailey will be fine. Besides, Thompson AND Bailey. Are you kidding? It only took ONE starting pitching prospect to get Hobbs, who was a proven thing. Salty has not proven his worth yet. He could be great and I really would like to have him but not at that cost.
by kennythered on Jul 29, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Rumor is that at least 20 teams have inquired about the Rangers catchers
I don’t know if he’s on the market, but I’d prefer Taylor Teagarden first, mainly because he’s supposedly gold glove level defense. There are questions about whether Salty can stay at catcher for the long term and Gerald Laird is just a cheaper version of David Ross, if you ask me.
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I agree.
I’d be really disappointed if we ended up trading away half the farm for Gerald Laird.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
Agreed, as well. I don't trust people named Gerald.
That’s not true, but if we traded for Laird, it’d probably become true
"I got a list of demands written on the palm of my hands. I ball my fist and you're gonna know where I stand. We're living hand to mouth! Hand to mouth!"
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jul 29, 2008 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
re:my slydeFeud
to catch everyone up, Slyde and I had a conversation yesterday about Edwin. With his recent offensive explosion, he’s risen to No. 2 on the team in RAR, but he’s still way down in total value because his defense has been atrocious. Slyde made the point that the team should consider moving Edwin to left field, and I said I didn’t think that was such a good idea given Yonder on the horizon. I imagine by 2010 at the latest, Yonder should be our starting first baseman and Votto should be moved to left (unless he can play third). And that’s when Slyde made his now-infamous statement that you can’t build a team around prospects who haven’t proven themselves.
Today he thinks it’s ok to build your team around prospects that can’t prove themselves, as long as you sign the new pieces to long, expensive deals.
The point is, do you guys think it’s a good idea to make decisions now that might impact a potential stud prospect down the road, even if that prospect hasn’t played a day of pro baseball?
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
Hmm all this talk about left field..
So you guys think that it is a foregone conclusion that Dunn is gone by next year?
I often think how different the world would be if Hitler had not been turned down when he applied for art school. - George Carlin
I really do
I think Castellini may try to keep Dunn at the last minute but I think once he hits the open market, the reds get outbid.
sig lines are for suckas
We Should trade EDWIN!
Why?
TWO WORDS: Juan Francisco
He is a star up and coming at 3rd base who is 21 years old right now, he played against the US in for the World Team before the All-Star game and stood out among his teammates and peers in the “rising star” game. The same team and game Joey Votto stood out for (Canadian) last year.
Full Name: Juan Ramon Francisco
Born: June 24,1987 in Bonao, Dominican Republic
Height: 6-2 Weight: 180 Bats: Both Throws: Right
We need pitching and catching. Edwin in my mind is expendable, not to mention a skum bag. I know this ho’ bag at my college (Miami University) who has been bangin’ the dude all the time since meeting him on spring break last year during spring training, haha, and the dude has a family and she is just a 21 year old ho’! Get him outta town.., (that is a true story)
Brent Jonathan Beck
thats why I dont think trading Homer is smart at all
Just think about how better his trade value will be if he continues progressing, don’t jump ship on this dude now, that would just be stupid.
Brent Jonathan Beck
they have Hank B though so its unlikely, just making my case
on why we should look into interested buyers for Edwin
Brent Jonathan Beck
I like Juan Francisco and all
but he’s posting a .786 OPS in A+. Edwin is posting an .838 OPS in the Majors.
At the same age, Edwin was posting better numbers in Double-A, though with fewer homers and more doubles. If Francisco was going to be ready next year, then I’d consider trading Edwin, but with the way EdE’s been hitting the last two months, it would take A LOT for me to consider trading him right now.
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I agree
That we should not trade EdE b/c of Francisco but if we plan on keeping Dunn, which I think Castellini does, then we should look at trading EdE. Kepp can play 3B until Frazier gets up here, then we can look at moving Votto, positionally or on the trade market. Prospect Log jams at a position can be highly beneficial. It got MIL Sabathia, ATL Teixeira, and the list goes on. So I don’t really mind having Yonder and Votto, with EdE, Frazier, Dunn, etc. We just have to evaluate talent well and realize these guys best trade value. I really like EdE but I do think he is replaceable in the near future with our prospects.
yeah right
his best friends are Griffey and Jay Bruce, he loves Jay Bruce, he sees the pitching improving, he wants to stay. That dude loved playing with the Dayton Dragons and the Reds, get outta town!
Brent Jonathan Beck
Dayton was 8 years ago
There’s a lot of water under the bridge since then. He gets booed in his home park regularly. The Hall of Fame announcer in town rarely misses a chance to take a shot at him. Yeah, he has some fans and friends in town, but there’s got to be a point when he says enough is enough.
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Mary B can lick my nut sack
That dude sucks now, ever since that old dick head got the hall of fame under his belt he thinks he can say whatever the fuck he wants. They should give him the gut check and trade his ass. If it has anything to do with him thats more reason to hate Marty B, what has he done for the Reds other than convey information via air waves. Screw him, he couldnt even fluidly verbalize Griffeys 600th homerun, he sounded like a babbling retard, great job “hall of famer”, maybe people need to start talking shit about Marty to make him shut his old mouth up. That dude pisses me off, and when his kids on FSN I am even more displeased because he sucks twice as much as his “dad”.
Fire MARTY, keep Dunn. Marty is an overrated d-bag who hates on his own team, I wish the cowboy would punch him in the stomach one night so we could save our ears from the player hater that is marty b.
Vin Scully, Red Barber, Ernie Harwell, Mel Allen, Jack Buck, those are real announcers, Harry Carrey, he always loved every Cub, get Marty Brenneman the hell out of town. You saying that makes me hate the guy even more because if he part of the reason we lose Dunn I would hate Marty forever.
Brent Jonathan Beck
Why?
That dude sucks now, ever since that old dick head got the hall of fame under his belt he thinks he can say whatever the fuck he wants. They should give him the gut check and trade his ass. If it has anything to do with him thats more reason to hate Marty B, what has he done for the Reds other than convey information via air waves. Screw him, he couldnt even fluidly verbalize Griffeys 600th homerun, he sounded like a babbling retard, great job “hall of famer”, maybe people need to start talking shit about Marty to make him shut his old mouth up. That dude pisses me off, and when his kids on FSN I am even more displeased because he sucks twice as much as his “dad”.
Fire MARTY, keep Dunn. Marty is an overrated d-bag who hates on his own team, I wish the cowboy would punch him in the stomach one night so we could save our ears from the player hater that is marty b.
Vin Scully, Red Barber, Ernie Harwell, Mel Allen, Jack Buck, those are real announcers, Harry Carrey, he always loved every Cub, get Marty Brenneman the hell out of town. You saying that makes me hate the guy even more because if he part of the reason we lose Dunn I would hate Marty forever.
Brent Jonathan Beck
Had to vent about Marty
He really pisses me off lately, I feel like a Hall-of-Fame announcer should be positive. If the dweeb wanted to have an opinion about players on a talent level maybe he should have gone into baseball operations not play-by-play announcing.
Marty always sucked at sports and always just wanted “in” with athletes. Now that he is officially a hall of famer he thinks he is a baseball expert but in reality he was only ever an expert at conveying information about what he saw to fans very well and did so in a great manner. No he thinks he is a baseball genius who can hate on our players whenever he wants and has knowledge about the game. Just because he has been watching baseball in an announcing chair for decades doesn’t make him Theo Epstein.
Send him to the Toronto Blue Jays, their GM would love to have him.
Brent Jonathan Beck
I Agree
But with all of the “offers” the Reds have gotten for Dunn it looks as if no one else values him. So we may be able to keep him not at a discount, but not for as expensive as one might think. Plus two first rounders would not be too bad anyway.
Are we going to get picks for Griffey too? I guess we’d have to decline his option the offer him Arb. Is that normal?
I don't know if it's normal
but it is what would have to happen. The same with Dunn (minus the declining option). I’ve heard rumors that Griffey wants to stay in Cincinnati (why? I have no idea), so offering arbitration might be risky. Then again, that is likely just lip service.
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What's the maximum pay decrease in arbitration?
Isn’t it something like 20%?
sig lines are for suckas
I think the 20% rule
only applies to players still “under reserve” – less than six years of service time. The rationale being that they don’t have the right to shop their services to other teams. So for guys like Griffey I don’t think the 20% rule applies, but I could be wrong.
If I’m the CBA man, I must be spending way too much time here.
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth...
It is better being the CBA man than the MRI man.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Jul 29, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
His Mom and Dad want him to win a WS in cincti. Just like Sr.
I often think how different the world would be if Hitler had not been turned down when he applied for art school. - George Carlin
Funny Story
This is a little random, but it involves Dunn.
I was at a game last year and had seats a little past third. Adam Dunn had a sucky fielding play, and some fat guy wassss heckling him. Dunn yelled back one of these three things:
“Why don’t you try playing, fatass?”
“Why don’t you come on down and say that to my face, fatass?”
“Go get another hotdog, fatass!”
I think it was the first one, but either way it was the funniest part of the ballgame. He screwed up that play big time, and probably deserved to get heckled. I didn’t hear what the guy said, but the response was priceless. For him, it’s also probably the greatest story to tell his friends.
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by Colts Homer on Jul 29, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't put Votto in the long term plans
FIRE DUSTY BAKER
brent beck
we’ve deleted your texas catchers diary twice. it’s because this one already exists, and theyre the same thing. we only need one.
of course, if you weren’t aware this one is here, you probably wouldnt be reading this message…
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
That commercial is gonna be kick ass
the two longest names in the MLB and NFL in one city!!!
HOLY COW!
Brent Jonathan Beck
Dude
we don’t need to fanposts on the exact same topic, no matter how super badass your post was. It just splits the conversation unnecessarily.
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THOUGH FO REALZ!!
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by Man Mountain on Jul 29, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
You opened up a can of worms you with you didnt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im bringing my
so watch out, brosiff!
Brent Jonathan Beck
lolcatz at dawn?
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by Man Mountain on Jul 29, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand 95% of the posts you make
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
you actually understand 5%?
you should teach a class to the rest of us!
So hey, umm....do you guys mind if I have this fruit roll-up?
by chandrathan on Jul 29, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
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Brent Jonathan Beck
Mary Brenneman is on the verge of getting a "diss" track any day now
haha
(Just so you know my roommate was a studio producer, I made that recently more as a for fun, I don’t take rapping seriously whatsoever)
Brent Jonathan Beck
Well very interesting Mr. Bent Breck...
So its probably good that you don’t quit you’re day gig.
I often think how different the world would be if Hitler had not been turned down when he applied for art school. - George Carlin
by Madville on Jul 29, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i laughed more at this comment than i have in a long time
rec for you madville
So hey, umm....do you guys mind if I have this fruit roll-up?
by chandrathan on Jul 29, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
why thank you
the diss on oxford is a little harsh, grew a little old the city did
Brent Jonathan Beck
i love the unpo' folks freestyle
“You’re some kind of ologist”... i think that might be the best freestyle lyric i’ve ever heard.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
dude, im sold
“I’m a mean motherfucker like John Starks/Anyways, you know I’m a card shark/Every day, yeah, I get the Deutsch marks”
dude, im not being sarcastic at all, this is making my day
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
haha good to hear that
its really me to i promise, everyones gotta get their raps on at somepoint
Brent Jonathan Beck
Downloading.
I’m curious. That’s why my friends call me Whiskers!
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Jul 29, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
if you download the album from megupload
You can hear “White Ballas”
Its a pretty hot track about white basketball players in the nba
Brent Jonathan Beck
Ugh
Trade Affeldt and Weathers to Phi for Donald! Don;t let the Royals get him just for Mahay. I want Donald. If wed could pry away Salty for Thompson and some low levels then Donald for Weathers and Affeldt we would possibly be taking care of two huge holes. SS and C!
I'm having a hard time believing this rumor
The Phillies just traded their only other middle-IF prospect worth a damn in the Joe Blanton deal. to give up Donald for just an okay reliever seems almost reckless. But yeah, if we can get Donald for Affeldt then by all means.
Somewhere along the line, I've turned into a crotchety old man
Doesn’t anyone talk in English, or in complete sentences any more? I now have headache from trying to read/translate this thread.
Thanks alot.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
You've been old for a while
but the crotchety thing is probably new.
Maybe Mr. Beck can write a song about it.
"the crotchety thing is probably new"
Sounds like something you make a doctor’s appointment for.
sig lines are for suckas
Not only do many young RRs talk in code and incomplete sentences
They end sentences with a preposition. !!!
I often think how different the world would be if Hitler had not been turned down when he applied for art school. - George Carlin
That's an easy fix.
My wife: Where’s the checkbook at?
Me: It’s on the counter…and don’t end your sentences with prepositions.
My wife: Where’s the checkbook at, asshole?
I had a similar conversation
My wife: Did you take out the trash yet?
Me: No, I was just about to.
My wife: Don’t end your sentence with a preposition. And hurry up and make dinner, bitch.
Me: Yes, dear.
It's a lousy night to be an atheist!
Women
Can’t live with ‘em. Can’t kill ‘em.
by bengalred on Jul 29, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
(Insert O.J. Joke Here)
So hey, umm....do you guys mind if I have this fruit roll-up?
by chandrathan on Jul 29, 2008 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The not ending a sentence with a preposition thing is bunk
or as a high school teacher of mine once told a fellow student who had reprimanded her usage:
“Tell your mother she doesn’t know what she’s talking about.”
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by Man Mountain on Jul 29, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
"Alot" is not English
(Sorry, but if you’re going to complain…)
by Brendanukkah on Jul 29, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
who's alot and why are we thanking him?
So hey, umm....do you guys mind if I have this fruit roll-up?
by chandrathan on Jul 29, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
because 1 in 4 of them are funny
So hey, umm....do you guys mind if I have this fruit roll-up?
by chandrathan on Jul 29, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You are the Devin Mesorasco of hilarity
by Brendanukkah on Jul 29, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd, dammit
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Jul 29, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Nappy?
That’s racist.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Jul 29, 2008 4:49 PM EDT reply actions
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Jul 29, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
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