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- These last two losses have been a buzzkill, but they haven't really been bad losses. We were in both games right up until the end, and they both came down to Brad Lidge being our daddy. Good starts by Voltron and Homer could salvage a nice road split for us.
- Ryan Freel is on the DL. (See also BubbaFan's FanPost.) Corey Patterson is the likely benefactor, but there's not really a good replacement to be found in the minors.
- This Baseball America chat (free) takes on Jay Bruce's future (more muscle and a spot in right field), Daryl Thompson (not as good as Bailey, Volquez, and Cueto) and Juan Francisco (pseudo-stud).
- Hal McCoy surmises that Kent Mercker will soon announce his retirement (again?)
- Matt Maloney struck out 8 but allowed 6 runs in the Bats' loss. Chris Valaika had 3 hits in Chattanooga's loss. Juan Francisco had 3 hits in Sarasota's win.
- John Sickels has us taking Aaron Crow with the seventh pick. Some other sources seem to have Crow and Matusz slipping in favor of hitters, though. I think (and hope) we're more likely to take a college position player.
- Finally, I did a Q and A for USA Today's Sports Weekly. I'd provide a link, but it's not online. If you happen to pick it up (it's really an excellent publication, especially if you're into fantasy baseball), it's on page 8.
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Not just Mercker
John Smoltz is going to have shoulder surgery, which will knock him out for the season. He’d been on the DL, and was going to try to tough out the season in the bullpen. He came back and blew a save, giving up a couple runs. Now he’s shutting it down and will likely be calling it a career. He has a record of 210-147, 154 saves, 3,011 strikeouts, and a career ERA of 3.26. What might be most special was his ability to pitch in the postseason, where he was 15-4 overall with 4 saves. His ERA was 2.65 with a k/bb ratio of 194/67.
You gotta think that he’s a probable Hall of Famer. I remember seeing him in a game on the 4th of July at Turner Field. He was a closer then, and as soon as the 8th inning ended, the stadium just started going crazy. Everyone was yelling, “Smoltz! Smoltz!” and the scoreboard was flashing his name. He strode in from the bullpen in the outfield, and it looked like Achilles taking the field of battle. You knew that no one was beating him.
I saw him again earlier this year pitching against the Nationals. He was still dominant, and pitched six innings, giving up five hits and a run, but striking out 5. His ERA at the time was 0.82, and he even got an RBI in the win.
So a tip of the cap to a great pitcher and a great career.
...But he’ll never be quite as good as Doyle Alexander.
i would like to see
the braves trade for maddux and then he, glavine and smoltz retire together and go to the hall together. how awesome would it be if the braves were out of it on the last day of the season and smoltz was healthy enough to throw an inning, and the braves started maddux, trotted out glavine in the fourth or fifth and had smoltz get the save? It probably wouldnt cost the braves much to get maddux for a symbolic last hurrah
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
I don't think Smoltz will go in on the first ballot
Maddux yes. Glavine probably. Smoltz may not make it at all, let alone on the first ballot. That’s not to say he’s not deserving of the Hall, but he’s a borderline candidate who will likely be seriously debated.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
Maybe not first ballot,
but I think he gets in. He stacks up well with Eckersley, the only recent (ever?) comp for a hybrid starter-reliever. Smoltz has a lower ERA (absolute and adjusted) in slightly more innings. 210 wins plus 154 saves (in about 3.5 years as a closer) should be enough to push him in, and his clutch reputation will give him an extra boost.
I think he gets in
based on his record and saves, not to mention the 3000 k’s. Do you think Shilling gets in? They have virtually the same W-L record and strikeout total not to mention Smoltz’ 154 saves.
I think he gets in, maybe not first ballot, but in none the less.
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
What if Maddux and Glavine also retire this year?
Does Smoltz get a “nostalgia bump” so they all can go in together?
by Brendanukkah on Jun 4, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be absolute catnip
to all those post-menopausal sports writers who vote for the Hall.
Some muthafucka’s always trying to ice-skate uphill
I don't think Schilling gets in.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
And I think Smoltz will get in
but I think there will be some debate about him. There are a lot of Hall of Famers retiring right around now. He’ll have to wait his turn.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
i disagree
i think he will get in on the first ballot. for the reasons ken and caleb suggested, and also his 15-4 record in the postseason in 40 (!) appearances. Career 3.26 ERA, postseason ERA of 2.65, 8 All-Star games and a Cy Young, plus he’s a member of the Braves’ rotation. I dont think a lot of people will vote for glavine and maddux and not smoltz. I think it will be seen as a package deal, provided they all retire together.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
I disagree on the package deal
Maddux will be going in as the best clean pitcher of his generation. If anything, I think that hurts Glavine and Smoltz’s chances for a first ballot since the “honor” will go to Maddux for the first ballot and they both fall short of him in career comparisons.
Plus, depending on how douchey the writers want to be, and depending who retires this year, Bonds, Clemens, Randy Johnson, and Frank Thomas could all be on the ballot with viable claims to the Hall. I could see Clemens and Bonds being “punished” by not putting them in on the first ballot, but I don’t see how they are passed up on a second ballot. And I think Randy Johnson will retire this year and he will be a first ballot HOF and Frank Thomas should be a first ballot HOF. I can’t see the writers electing more than 5 players in one year. I think Smoltz will have to wait at least a year and maybe even Glavine too.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
BTW
Can anybody see a reason why Greg Maddux should not get 100% of the vote in his first year of eligibility?
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
i remember last saturday
when we had this exact conversation…
all of it!
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 4, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
me too
Just looking through the list of names, these players are likely to be on the ballot some time in the next 5-10 years:
Bonds
McGwire
Thomas
Manny
Thome
Bagwell
Edgar Martinez
Chipper
Sheffield
Piazza
Griffey
McGriff
Edmonds
Sosa
Kent
Roberto Alomar
Larkin
Biggio
Pedro Martinez
Clemens
Big Unit
Maddux
Schilling
Smoltz
Glavine
Rivera
Hoffman
I may have left some off, and not all of them are Hall of Famers, but they all have a serious case to be there. It should be much more interesting than the last 10 years of balloting, that’s for sure.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
You need to justify why Larkin gets in but not Alomar
You have 45 seconds, starting….now.
And while we’re at it, why does Bagwell, who has recently been named in suspicious documents, get a pass to the Hall but not the clearly better Bonds or Clemens?
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
i cant believe you actually matched up my "votes"
it was much more just a visual joke. thanks for pointing out its flaws, though.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
I checked to make sure you had Larkin going in
Joke or not, I would have held it against you forever if you said out.
you don't get out of it that easily
There is a clear rhythm to your in-out shenanigans. Fess up. What do you have against Roberto Alomar?
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
that umpire was boobs's uncle
true story
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 4, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guilty of matching up too
You’re very anti-seriods players – I could definitely see Bonds and Clemens getting in, ‘roids notwithstanding. They were probably hall-of-famers prior to their steriod years (Clemens ‘97 and Bonds 2000/2001).
"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey
by JJ on Jun 4, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
im not anti-steroids player
i’d put em all in if the numbers say so. but i dont think the writers see it that way. I know they dont.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
Only because
It’s never happened? Seriously, someone will leave him off just to be an ass. My bet is three people leave him off. Never underestimate the douchebaggery of sportswriters.
"Got a bump on the ole noggin, but otherwise god. And I get a new vehicle probably, w00t!"
I think you're underestimating the PED taint
McGwire isn’t on the same immortal plane as Clemens or Bonds, but he’s still a no-doubter. He only received 23.5% of the votes on his first ballot. I figured that many voters were punishing McGwire and would vote him in the next round, but that didn’t happen – he received the exact same number of votes this past year. It’s plausible that he’ll never get in. Bonds and Clemens will, but it may not be within the first few years of their eligibility.
As for Smoltz, I think you’re right that he won’t be vote in the first time around. And I don’t think the writers care about a package deal for the Atlanta starters (I don’t either). But he will receive some goodwill as being a “clean” pitcher, like Maddux, Glavine and Schilling.
And I don’t think anyone will receive 100% of the vote. All it takes is one nut, and the BBWAA has plenty of them. Who voted against Ripken? Schmidt? Mays?
by ken on Jun 4, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
reply works fine for me
And I don’t think the writers care about a package deal for the Atlanta starters (I don’t either)
I dunno, writers are an emotional lot. Have you read Plaschke?
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
what i meant to say:
That would be absolute catnip to all those post-menopausal sports writers who vote for the Hall.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
Check out the current front page over at ESPN.com
Life Of ReillyDecades passed before Rick Reilly truly met his father and his game.
Perhaps more than any sport, golf wields power over families. It can keep them apart. It can bring them together. In the Reilly family, it did both—the former with a rather large, unwelcome assist from alcohol. In the end, a son learned to play life where it lies. Rick Reilly Debut
Some muthafucka’s always trying to ice-skate uphill
I'm pretty sure the only way I'd ever read that
would be with a rather large, unwelcome assist from alcohol.
I'm not sure whether I'm surprised or not
The most common complaints one hears about Reilly concern his fondness for treacly pap prose and his cheap use of golf folksiness as a shorthand for “LIFE!”
And his first piece for ESPN - rather, the first intro to his first piece for ESPN - combines the two. It just seems so on the nose.
But I suppose you don’t hire Wayne Newton and tell him not to perform “Danka Schoen”
Or hire Dusty Baker and ask him not to play Corey Patterson…
Some muthafucka’s always trying to ice-skate uphill
I think Bonds and Clemens are somewhat different
I think the writers think that McGwire was one-dimensional. So they justify not voting for him in saying that his one-dimension was fabricated. Bonds was a 3-time MVP years before dipping into the cream. Of course, the writers hate him, so there’s that.
And who knows what will happen with Clemens. I thought the writers liked him, but many seem to be reveling in his downfall. So, who knows?
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
Yeah, there’s a lot of vitriol that will take years to sort itself out. Should be interesting.
by ken on Jun 4, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
johnson, thomas, glavine, maddux, smoltz
thats 5. i could see that.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
That certainly would be out of the ordinary
Only five times in the last 50 years have the writers voted in more than 2 players in one year. And never in those 50 years have they voted in more than 3 players in a single year. In fact, the writers have only voted 5 players in once – 1936, the first year of the Hall.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
I was not privy to said information at the time of my argument
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
That's why I looked it up
to prove you wrong.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
I like the part her he rides his tractor over Jessica Biel's bush
Sorry, I see “Cape Cod League,” I think “Summer Catch.” Fun fact: Former Red Brendan Harris appears in that movie.
From imdb.com: “The batter at home plate when the camera pans Veterans Field (Chatham’s real home field on Cape Cod, the one with the playground) is Hyannis’s Brendan Harris, who made his major league debut in 2004 with the Chicago Cubs.”
by Brendanukkah on Jun 4, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Worst baseball movie ever?
It’s up there. Not much in terms of charm or drama. And Matt Lillard looks nothing like a catcher.
Of course, current Red Ken Griffey Jr. also appears, iirc during the closing credits where Freddie is shown pitching for the Phillies and giving up a HR to Junya.
Not really a baseball movie, but did you ever watch "Band of Brothers?"
In the very last episode, the men of Easy Company are playing a baseball game while Capt. Winters narrates what happened to everyone after the war. The guy who plays Sgt. Martin is a British actor (same guy who played Soup in “Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels), and it’s bloody evident that he’s never touched a baseball in his life. He’s got a worse throwing motion than Tim Robbins. It’s a touching scene, but watching him throw always takes me right out of it.
Lt Buck Compton
played football and baseball at UCLA with Jackie Robinson. He also was the lead Prosecutor in the Sirhan Sirhan case
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
I didn't realize that he played with Jackie
But I do know that UCLA didn’t make the Rose Bowl in 1944, “probably because you weren’t there.”
I can't stand that Costner movie where he plays for the Tigers and throws a perfect game.
What’s that flick called? It was a weak effort at getting us to buy that his career was so long. It was an hour for christ’s sake.
Got to see former Reds minor leaguer of interest
Calvin Medlock last night. He got hit hard in an inning and 2/3s of work, giving up 2 earned runs.
Medlock’s been pretty bad this season posting a 4.55 ERA and 1.45 WHIP in 27.2 IP. He’s struck out 18 and allowed 17 walks.
The two most impressive players to watch were both Richmond Braves. Cuban defector Barbaro Canizares knocked the piss out of the ball all night, including a line drive home run to straight away center on a night when nothing was carrying. Even his two outs were absolute rockets. He squares up the ball nicely and displayed his power to all fields last night. It’s too bad he’s still stuck at AAA at age “28” (he’ll turn “29” this year). He wasn’t able to defect from Cuba until ‘03 (after having been docked a year of competitive baseball as punishment for a previous attempt at defection). After a couple of years in Nicaragua, he’s only in his second season with the Braves.
Braves’ stud pitcher Charlie Morton did not disappoint. He threw eight innings of one hit baseball and struck out 13(!). The only hit was notched by the first Bulls batter, who hit a pathetic dribbler down the third baseline that somehow stayed fair. For the rest of the night only two more baserunners reached—one on a walk and one on a throwing error by the Ecksteinian Brent Lillibridge. Morton’s physique and delivery are very similar to Homer’s. He doesn’t have the velocity Homer has, but he can change speeds effectively. His fastball was everywhere between 85 and 92 MPH. His season line in 74 IP is 5-1 with 1.71 ERA, 14 ER, 68 strikeouts to 24 BB and a .179 BAA. Strong to quite strong.
I think this is the first time I have ever seen the Bulls without a true stud prospect on the roster. No Delmon Young, Rocco Baldelli, Elijah Dukes, Evan Longoria, Carl Crawford, Joey Gathright, B.J. Upton or even Jorge Cantu or Wes Bankston, although Justin Ruggiano and Joel Guzman should both be back in the majors at some point, if not for the Rays.
Washed up former major leaguer award goes to Sal Fasano who’s really fat. Yes, even fatter.
Some muthafucka’s always trying to ice-skate uphill
a man with power who doesn't use it is a fool
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
Great Success!
Per Fay, the Reds have narrowed down their choices, and they don’t include Crow:
Brian Matusz (College LHP, San Diego)
Buster Posey (College C, Florida State)
Gordon Beckham (College SS, Georgia)
Yonder Alonso (College 1B, Miami and favorite of Thundering Turtle)
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
per fay?
that means they are taking crow or kelly
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 4, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
then why do you give fay the credit?
are you in love with him or something?
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 4, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
surely we wouldn't take another catcher...
right?
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 4, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
id be fine with it
posey’s a lot further along than Mesoraco, and we could deal with the bottleneck, should there be one, when we get to it
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
Posey would be a fantastic pick.
He’s my favorite player in the draft, other than Alvarez. He’s got Jason Varitek-type upside at the plate and Gold Glove defense behind it, and he’ll probably be ready to hit the majors sometime next season.
good enough for me!
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 4, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I can imagine Fay sitting down to transcribe this list
seeing “Buster Posey” and starting to tremble.
Some muthafucka’s always trying to ice-skate uphill
I'd heard that George Grande was on ESPN
in it’s earliest incarnation, but I’d never seen proof.
Saw this video linked at Deadspin. A much younger, paler George appears about one minute in.
Some muthafucka’s always trying to ice-skate uphill
he was anchor on the very first sportscenter!
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 4, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Matusz is the easy choice
He probably will fall to us and we will pick him. Posey won’t be there and Mes is turning into a stud. We can stopgap that position for the next 2 years.
Beckham has serious issues and may be a alum bat type that can’t hit with wood.
With Matusz and Wood, we finally have some lefty depth. Maloney is tradebait.

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