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As of today, we're winning The Big Trade: Why the Reds are better off with Volquez than with Hamilton

When the Reds traded Josh Hamilton to the Texas Rangers in December, it was hardly a blockbuster deal. Hamilton was a reformed addict with fewer than 300 major league at-bats, and Volquez was an erratic young flamethrower with a 3-11 career record. A trade of potential, sure, but certainly not a trade of stars.

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Tony Gutierrez/AP (Hamilton), Getty Images (Volquez)

Now that Hamilton is the leading candidate for AL MVP and Volquez is the leading candidate for NL Cy Young, it looks like the biggest trade of the past year. Conventional wisdom says that both teams profited from the swap, and given the great luck both guys have had, I agree with that. But curiosity is probably leading many of you to wonder if the Reds made the right move; indeed, I've read several comments pondering what the team would look like if we still had Hobbs.

So I set out to learn how good the Reds would be had The Big Trade never happened. What I found, if you'll indulge me after the jump, is that we're better off with the stud we have than the stud we had. Part of the reason is, as The Hardball Times says, "A run saved is not equal to a run scored." The other part of the reason is the pitchers we have to replace Volquez wouldn't be doing a lot of run-saving. Meet me after the jump...

Star-divide

First, know that this is my best shot, but it's just a layman's try. If I were Slyde, I'd use some gussied-up spreadsheets and calculate my own statistics, but I'm not Slyde and I have to steal stuff. With permission, of course.

I'm operating under a few assumptions:

  1. Hamilton and Volquez would have had the exact same seasons they had up to this point for their original clubs. This is a totally unreasonable assumption, but it's the only way to compare them.
  2. The Reds would not have called up Jay Bruce and would not have signed Corey Patterson. The latter is the most pleasant aspect of the scenario.
  3. Volquez's innings would have been absorbed by Homer Bailey and Josh Fogg. This causes some problems, which I'll discuss in a second.

What you know: Volquez leads the majors in ERA (1.71) and strikeouts (110) and is second in the NL in wins (10). Hamilton leads the world in RBIs (76) and is first in the AL in home runs (19).

But I wanted to use more substantial (and comparable) statistics. I decided on TV (total value) for the position players and RAR (runs above replacement) for pitchers, as calculated by Justin Inaz (JinAZ of On Baseball and the Reds). Justin also helped me out with some commentary. TV takes into account fielding and hitting and is park-adjusted. RAR is also park-adjusted. I chose not use FIPRAR, which factors in defense behind a pitcher and luck. I figure we're already discounting luck with the first assumption, and the Reds' defense is only hurting Volquez.

As far as matching up the innings, the players are fairly interchangeable. Corey Patterson and Jay Bruce have combined for 307 plate appearances, and Hamilton has been to the dish 338 times. The other 31 PAs are fairly negligible.

That's the easy part. Bruce and Patterson have combined for a TV of 5 runs (7.2 for Bruce, -2.2 for Patterson). Hamilton's TV is 27. We would likely have scored an extra 22 runs with Hobbs in our lineup this season.

PAs TV
Patterson 191 -(-2.2)
Bruce 116 -(7.2)
Hamilton 338 +26.8
Net +21.8

As I alluded to earlier, Norris Hopper (-.6) and Ryan Freel (.6) net out to exactly replacement level, so I'm not too concerned about the 31-plate-appearance difference between Hamilton and our guys. If Hamilton got his 338 cuts with the Reds, he'd be taking the last 31 from a replacement player.

The pitching is where things get dicey. Volquez has racked up an astounding 32.3 runs above average, or equal to Francisco Cordero, Aaron Harang, Johnny Cueto, Jared Burton, Bill Bray, Daryl Thompson and Mike Lincoln combined (Nos. 2-8 in RAR, as relievers are weighted differently). I wanted to assume Volquez's innings would be transferred to a Josh Fogg-Homer Bailey platoon. The problem, I found, is that Fogg and Bailey have been so bad in such a small sample size. Here's what the breakdown would look like if they each took on another 47.5 innings:

IP RAR RAR/IP Proj. RAR
Fogg 28.3 -9.4 -.332 -15.76
Bailey 12.3 -6.2 -.504 -23.94
Volquez 95 32.3 .340 (-32.3)
Net -72

If this were the result, the Reds would have by this point scored 360 runs but allowed 465, which would amount to about 29.6 wins (.375 winning percentage). The Reds are playing about 2.5 games above their expected total, so I'll add 2.5 to any win tally. So if Homer and Fogg played the way they've played to this point in the season over Volquez's innings, using a rough pythag the Reds would be at 32-47, a full 4 games worse than their current 36-43 record.

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Homer Bailey has struggled this season,
making Edinson Volquez much more
valuable to the Reds. (Tony Tribble/AP)

I don't think that's a fair assumption, though. For one, Fogg and Homer would have to eventually at least regress (progress?) toward the mean (replacement-level). Even if they wouldn't, there's no way management would let them pitch at those ridiculous levels, and they would soon be replaced with someone who can offer replacement-level numbers (Thompson, Maloney, Affeldt, a FA signing, etc.)

Of course, there's always the possibility that Daryl Thompson would have won the Reds' fifth spot and succeeded, but we can't glean anything statistically from one major league start.

If I sub in a net-zero player -- essentially eliminating the 40 negative runs Fogg and Bailey would have offered -- we would allow only 425 runs, or 32 more than actual. That would equate to only half a win less than actual, or 35-36 wins.

But that's probably an unfair assumption, too. Harang (8.8 RAR) and Cueto (5.1) have pitched above replacement, but Arroyo (-3.2) and Belisle (-4.9) have not. Belisle would probably be the third option and might provide some mitigation. His -4.9 RAR have come in 29.7 innings, or -.165 RAR/IP -- considerably bad, but only half as bad as Fogg and a quarter as bad as Bailey. If I pro-rate Belisle's season to cover Volquez's innings, the Reds allow 441 runs, which would make a 34-45 record (.400 WP). (Remember, the Reds are outplaying their expected win-loss total by about 2.5 games, so that number is added to all projected win totals.)

RS RA (Proj.) wins
2008 Reds (actual) 338 393 36
2008 Reds (Bailey, Fogg) 360 465 32
2008 Reds (Belisle) 360 341 34
2008 Reds (Replacement-level) 360 425 35.5

So even though their value numbers are similar (32 RAR for Volquez, 27 TV for Hamilton), there is a growing disparity between their real values for the Reds. And that's not all that abnormal. It has something to do with the number zero: A great pitcher can only allow about five runs a game less than average, but a lineup can score an infinite number of runs. Put another way, the difference between a terrible hitter and a great hitter is much less than the difference between a terrible pitcher and a great pitcher. Or, according to this 2006 article in The Hardball Times,

Let’s say a team allows one run per game while scoring five. How often are they expected to win? About 93.4% of the time, actually. See how quickly I came up with that answer? It just inspires confidence, doesn’t it? Okay, so here’s the follow-up: How many runs would a team that allows five runs a game need to score to win 93.4% of the time? The answer is about 15.4.

And here’s the point of that: A run saved is not equal to a run scored. Keep that in mind, because it’s important.

::snip::

The thing is, as shown in the example above, that baseline isn’t really the same thing. A pitcher who allows one run per game is exactly as valuable as a lineup that scores 15.4, but if we looked at runs above average (assuming that an average team scores/allows five runs a game), the pitcher would only be four Runs Above Average, while the lineup would be 9.4 RAA. The offense comes out looking 235% better, despite actually having an equivalent output. Obviously, that’s a problem.

There's also a pesky fact that hasn't been discussed much: Josh Hamilton hasn't been quite as good as his RBI total suggests. Queue Justin Inaz:

Hamilton's having a great year, but I think his performance has been overhyped a bit because of his amazing/lucky/team-based RBI totals.  A 0.946 OPS is really good, but it's not mind-blowing, especially in Texas' ballpark.  He also hasn't been very good in the field by "my" ratings (ZR and RZR) or by mgl's UZR.  The latter might be a small sample size issue, but even last year we knew that he was clearly better suited for RF than CF.

Dunn's been more or less Hamilton's equal offensively once you consider park and league differences.  And Milton Bradley's having a better year at the plate than Josh (in fewer PA's), but because his RBIs are lower, few are noticing.

Hamilton's doing it with the stats that get you MVP votes, but his rawer numbers aren't other-worldly. This isn't a criticism of him; he's still one of my favorite players, and he's having a terrific year. But he wouldn't be en route to 150 RBIs in an average lineup with an average number of RBI opportunities.

Notes: This is only an analysis of this season, which inherently means I'm not dealing with large sample sizes. This post is not intended to evaluate their career paths or determine who is the better player. Also, Daniel Ray Herrera was included in the deal and has pitched 3 innings for the Reds. I ignored him, even though he accounted for a -1 RAR. And thanks again to Justin for all his help. His Web site is an amazing place if you like to be absorbed in real Reds information.

[Note by Rick House, 06/26/08 4:12 PM EDT ]: Thanks to C. Trent, John Fay and Tim Dierkes of MLB Trade Rumors for linking to the post.

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something else that I think should be noted

this isn’t really any great sabrametrical analysis, but Volquez is younger than Hamilton. Not that Hamilton is going to hit the age wall as some troll suggested a while back, but with his past we dont’ really know how well his body will hold up.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 26, 2008 4:14 AM EDT   0 recs

like i said

this isnt meant to be an analysis of who is/will be better. Just a comparison of their seasons thus far and who we’d be better with now.

by Rick House on Jun 26, 2008 4:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

also,

sorry, but no farmers only today. this post took a lot longer than i expected and i gotta get shuteye. if you must know, though, all of our teams got smoked, none of our big prospects had particularly good games and neftali soto is sitting out billings’ current series with a mild oblique strain. (Also, I don’t know how common this is, but the GCL Reds lent some players to the GCL Diamondbacks and had what looks to be a scrimmage.)

by Rick House on Jun 26, 2008 4:25 AM EDT   0 recs

Interesting

Good pitching beats good hitting is conventional wisdom, but this really drives it home.

I also think firing Jerry Narron pretty much made trading Hamilton necessary. It would have been just too awkward to keep his brother Johnny around after that.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 26, 2008 6:02 AM EDT   0 recs

man, that's rec'd

Good stuff, boobs. Thankfully we have Volquez and that minimum 0.5 of a win extra that he provided us. Otherwise this team would suck. :)

I want a hamburger. No, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips...

by Slyde on Jun 26, 2008 8:33 AM EDT   0 recs

Great job

Too often this kind of analysis simply looks at a theoretical replacement level baseline without considering what the team would have actually done. It’s tougher to do on the pitching side but it’s certainly fair to say that any combination of more starts from Homer, Belisle, Fogg, etc. would leave us at least 30 runs worse, and that doesn’t consider the added burden our bullpen.

Great points about Hamilton. He’s having a great year but he’s not going to keep up his RBI pace. He’s driving in 25% of runners on base, which is not only the best in the league but also considerably higher than the typical year-end leader, which is around 21 or 22%.

Volquez and Hamilton both needed and really benefitted from the change of scenery. Even if Hamilton hadn’t gotten pissy about the Narron firing, it’s best that he went elsewhere because his natural position is RF, which happens to be our best young player’s natural position. Volquez and Hamilton present some long-term risk for different reasons, but I’m sure that each side is happy with their side of the deal.

by ken on Jun 26, 2008 8:34 AM EDT   0 recs

mark my words

if Hamilton plays 100 games in any 3 of the next 5 years, I’ll be surprised.

that being said, sometimes trades work out to be good, old fashioned, everybody wins trades.

by bobestes on Jun 26, 2008 9:35 AM EDT   0 recs

About a month ago

I ran across the newest statistics on relapse for heroin addicts. Let’s just say it’s frightening.

He's doing it. He's eating a tire!

by Man Mountain on Jun 26, 2008 11:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought crack was his drug of choice

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by Slyde on Jun 26, 2008 11:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He also did heroine

but says he wasn’t addicted to it.

So, I guess, nevermind.

He's doing it. He's eating a tire!

by Man Mountain on Jun 26, 2008 12:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm the same way with Cheetos

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by Slyde on Jun 26, 2008 12:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

seems a little strong for you, slyde

do you cut them with saltines?

He's doing it. He's eating a tire!

by Man Mountain on Jun 26, 2008 1:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

kinda like this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eubi9YI2dKE

I saw this on TV last night and laughed my ass off.

FIRE DUSTY BAKER

by Blue on Jun 26, 2008 5:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

drugs aside

I think he is a major injury risk. he’s out right now with inflammation in his knee.

by bobestes on Jun 26, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

never would have happened for Volquez

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by Slyde on Jun 28, 2008 9:27 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I dunno...

By what measure has “Dunn been more or less Hamilton’s equal offensively once you consider park and league differences”? According to his own numbers, Hamilton’s been 9 runs better (by RAR). Also, his park should actually hurt Hamilton – BBRef has Arilington as a slight pitcher’s park this year, and neutral “milti-year”, while rating GAB very much a hitter’s park. Despite that, Hamilton’s OPS is 55 points higher. leading to an OPS+ 20 points higher.

I also strongly disagree with this statement:

There’s also a pesky fact that hasn’t been discussed much: Josh Hamilton hasn’t been quite as good as his RBI total suggests.

As of this morning, he’s in the top 10 in the league in the following non-teammate related stats: BA, SLG, OPS, H, TB, 3B, HR, OPS+, and XBH.

I agree with the general premise (good pitching is much more valuable than good hitting), and the conclusion (the Reds are better off this year with Volquez than Hamilton). However, the tone looks alot like sour grapes, because Hamilton really IS that good.

Often wrong, never uncertain.

by sidnancy on Jun 26, 2008 9:46 AM EDT   0 recs

I don't mean to come off as sour grapes

I didn’t even know what the result would be until after I ran the numbers, so this post could easily have posited that we’d be much better off had we not traded Hamilton.

As far as how good Hamilton is, I said he’s having a great season. A terrific season. But he’s on pace for more than 150 RBIs, which has only been done 9 times since 1950, and most of those were steroid-aided. Volquez, meanwhile, is on pace for the No. 6 ERA+ of all-time (261). We’re talking about stratospheric performance levels with these guys right now. My point is, Hamilton’s season is very very good, but it’s probably not one of the 10 best seasons since 1950. (Just as Volquez is probably not having one of the six best seasons of all-time.)

But I’m certainly not bitter. As I said, Hamilton is still one of my favorite players, and I miss him something fierce. My favorite piece of memorabilia is the ball he and Bruce signed at a Bats game last year. I wish him nothing but success, and I’m really happy that he’s having such a terrific year.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 26, 2008 1:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i'd like to have your ball

So hey, umm....do you guys mind if I have this fruit roll-up?

by chandrathan on Jun 26, 2008 1:44 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

Rec'd

For making me giggle inappropriately.

"Got a bump on the ole noggin, but otherwise god. And I get a new vehicle probably, w00t!"

by jch24 on Jun 26, 2008 3:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I see your point

I would only say this – while his RBI total may be out of whack, he “peripherals” support him driving in alot more runs than anyone else: He’s 2nd in the league in H, 1st HR, t-6th 3B, t-17th 2b, t-1st XBH, 1st TB by alot.

Often wrong, never uncertain.

by sidnancy on Jun 26, 2008 3:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

GREAT POST!

But as much as I like it, I am going to have to say the deciding factor will be when Volquez and Hobbs meet at the All-Star game. MAN vs. MAN. Because we all know one at bat is more significant than any amount of stats.

by jacob brumfield on Jun 26, 2008 1:47 PM EDT   0 recs

Awesome post.

Seriously great. Very rec’d.

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Jun 26, 2008 1:50 PM EDT   0 recs

Rick-

hope you don’t mind, but I emailed Tim at MLBTR to link to this on his site. And if you do mind, screw you and your beautiful trade analysis.

by jacob brumfield on Jun 26, 2008 1:53 PM EDT   0 recs

Also Rick...

Would you mind if I linked to this on the Reds facebook application? If not, that’s fine, if so, thanks!

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Jun 26, 2008 1:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

thats all fine

thanks for the kind words, folks

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 26, 2008 2:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

awesome. thanks

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Jun 26, 2008 2:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hi, visiting from A's Nation here

I have been following the Reds a bit and I really did not like this trade for the Reds when it happened. I thought Hamilton would be really good and being an A’s fan I was not impressed with Volquez. But he has been like some other former Ranger hurlers after leaving Arlington – better off. Now Volquez is the class of the NL so far.

But as far as the rest of your rotation goes, Cueto appears to need more time to develop. Arroyo has been Zito like. Harang, who I love and hated that the A’s parted with him, has some issues. His K-rate is down and he is giving up to many dingers. He gave up two in San Diego (I don’t know to who), but what is up with my man? Do folks think he is hurt or will he turn it around?

I feel like the Reds could be a playoff team if the pitching worked out.

"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagines such events unfolding!" Bill King

by Buck Turgidson on Jun 26, 2008 1:56 PM EDT   0 recs

Harang

His strikeouts aren’t really down - he’s struck out 7.55 guys per nine, which is down a K/9 from last year but slightly up from his career rates. Some people trace his problems back to an 18-inning loss a month ago in which Harang threw 4 innings, meaning he pitched extended innings in 3 games in a week. But he has since said that his control left him before that, and that that appearance didn’t wear him out. And it’s true - he gave up 5 runs and 10 hits in 5.1 innings three days before his relief appearance.

So who knows. Maybe he’s going through his decline at 30. I think he’ll improve, though, to something more like his past three years. Maybe he could just use a skipped start.

Welcome, btw.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 26, 2008 2:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Harang will be fine

He’s been unlucky so far this year – his BABIP is .330 and he’s 49th in the NL in Defensive Efficiency (Arroyo is 2nd to last in qualifiers, btw). His walk rate is basically the same, but his K-rate is down a bit (more on that in a second). His home runs are up, but he’s only given up about 3.5 more than his pace from last season. The only real concern on that front is that his flyball rate is a little higher than past seasons. But all it takes is a couple of good starts and those numbers can fall back in line.

Looking at FanGraphs, he’s lost about 1.5 MPH on his slider from last year. Some of that could be misidentification (his slider count is up 4% and curveballs are down 2%). However, his slider has been his big out pitch over the last couple of years and if he’s lost that much speed on it, that can be a bad sign, but I’d wait until the end of the season to start making a judgment on that one.

All in all, his peripherals aren’t far of his past performance and his FIP is 3.97. He may be a little tired from the relief appearance in SD, but in general I don’t think there is a lot to be concerned about.

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by Slyde on Jun 26, 2008 2:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow, thanks for the time and thought!

I think the high BABIP will regress for sure. And it seems like Harang could work to improve his Fly-Ball rate but that might be related to his slider being less effective. Just speculatin’.

Looks like Reds fans have a mighty fine site here.

"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagines such events unfolding!" Bill King

by Buck Turgidson on Jun 26, 2008 3:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, this site's pretty good

hopefully you A’s fans can find a site with as much quality as this one. :)

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by Slyde on Jun 26, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ha, very funny

Pay a visit sometime, seriously. We are welcoming of visitors, fo sho

"Not in your wildest alcoholic nightmare would you ever imagines such events unfolding!" Bill King

by Buck Turgidson on Jun 26, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Great post, House.

CTR linked to it today as well. Nice to see him giving RR some love.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Jun 26, 2008 2:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Always good to see boobs and C. Trent playing nice

I was looking at C. Trent’s blog, and his piece on the Reds’ third round pick, Zach Stewart, had me drooling.

by Brendanukkah on Jun 26, 2008 2:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

"I like relieving better."

How often do you hear that? Makes me like the guy even more, no worry that he is going to go all Chacon-style on Jocketty.

by jacob brumfield on Jun 26, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And now a link

from Fay

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by Slyde on Jun 26, 2008 3:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i like how dismissive he is of this post...

he’s like

“by the way, a reader of this great blog passed along a little statistical analysis that he did somewhere else.”

So hey, umm....do you guys mind if I have this fruit roll-up?

by chandrathan on Jun 26, 2008 3:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah, i liked that too

i dont know where he got the idea i read his blog

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 26, 2008 3:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And I thought that sidnancy and slyde were smart - Whew boobs, you be da man!

"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.

by Madville on Jun 26, 2008 2:37 PM EDT   0 recs

In other news

According to Doug Gray, Chris Valaika and Juan Francisco will be representin’ the Reds in the Futures Game in a couple of weeks. Honestly, I’m surprised Francisco was picked over Frazier as I thought Frazier was the better prospect and he’s having a better year. Maybe it’s because Francisco has been in High-A all year while Frazier has only played there part of the year. It’s probably also the 25 HRs that Francisco hit last season, though Frazier has 3 more this year (13 to 10).

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by Slyde on Jun 26, 2008 3:58 PM EDT   0 recs

that surprises me, too

i think of the three of them, frazier is probably the best prospect.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 26, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe a numbers thing?

Frazier would be playing on the US team and Francisco’s on the World team. Maybe they needed a World player instead of a US one.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Jun 26, 2008 4:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

how does futures game selection work?

i have no clue

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 26, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A combination of crystal balls, tea leaves, and observing the migration patterns of pheasants

He's doing it. He's eating a tire!

by Man Mountain on Jun 26, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pheasants?

No, that’s how they determine the lineups of the Ruining Futures Game.

by Brendanukkah on Jun 26, 2008 4:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thats funny, but,

when youve already made the greatest post of all time ever earlier in a thread, its just kind of dissapointing.

Are there any more dinner rolls? -President Ted Kennedy

by The Crushinator on Jun 26, 2008 10:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

since i probably won't be around during the game thread

‘sup brendan?

So hey, umm....do you guys mind if I have this fruit roll-up?

by chandrathan on Jun 26, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Got kind of slammed at work

But I’m about to run and get a free iced coffee from Au Bon Pain. Also, if any of you are in Jersey, the reports of ninjas in the woods are apparently greatly exaggerated.

by Brendanukkah on Jun 26, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

good to know!

i try to stay out of the woods when ninjas are spotted. but then again, if they were real ninjas, they wouldn’t have been spotted.

So hey, umm....do you guys mind if I have this fruit roll-up?

by chandrathan on Jun 26, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They didn't really say.

I dug this clip out of the MILB.com article:

Major League Baseball, in conjunction with all 30 clubs, works with Baseball America to determine the players selected to play in the game.

So there’s that. As for how many come from each team, I’d assume it depends on how many top prospects each team has.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Jun 26, 2008 4:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

good point

forgot about that

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by Slyde on Jun 26, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yikes

there’s a dude on the World Team who was born in 1990. He’ll be 17 at the time of the game.

The youngest guy on the U.S. team is 20.

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by Slyde on Jun 26, 2008 5:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A gold star for you Rick.

Can you do an analysis of what the world would have looked like had Corey Patterson, Royce Clayton and Mike Stanton never existed?

Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.

by Paul Householder on Jun 26, 2008 4:22 PM EDT   0 recs

Racial harmony, the end of world hunger, and dogs and cats living together

are only a few of the major differences i ran across in my analysis. Boobs may come up with some conflicting results though.

Stephen A. Douglas was a great debater, but Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 26, 2008 5:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

my data says the dogs and cats thing is debatable

but the first two items are definite. I’d post a graph, but my utility belt is in the shop.

I want a hamburger. No, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips...

by Slyde on Jun 26, 2008 5:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you found a good belt shop?

ive been looking for one of those for weeks!

Stephen A. Douglas was a great debater, but Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 26, 2008 5:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

my beagle gets along with our 3 cats

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 26, 2008 11:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

small sample size

Stephen A. Douglas was a great debater, but Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 26, 2008 11:33 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

I just kind of assumed that Hamilton had an OPS of over 1.000

He’s still having a great year but that makes it pretty clear that Volquez is better right now.

FIRE DUSTY BAKER

by Blue on Jun 26, 2008 5:32 PM EDT   0 recs

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