Game 78: Reds at Blue Jays
by Slyde on Jun 24, 2008 12:34 PM EDT
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Hmm, Arroyo and Burnett are having very similar seasons, no? The good news for the Reds is that Arroyo makes about half of what Burnett makes this year and is owed about $3.5 million less over the next two seasons. I wouldn't expect both of these pitchers to continue to suck all summer. Hopefully it's Arroyo that picks his game up, though I still believe he's just a 6 inning pitcher now.
Offensively there are two big stories this series. First, Joey Votto goes home. He's batting .500 over the last 7 games. Look for him to hit at least double that while playing at home.
The other story is Adam MAD! Surely Dunn will feel like he has something to prove playing in front of JP Riccardi. The only question is whether is bat will be straightened out in time. If only motivation were enough for a player to turn it on.
The Reds are 6-3 against the real Mickey Mouse league. Two of three above the border would be nice.
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yay! the reds are back!
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 24, 2008 5:10 PM EDT reply actions
I think this series is important...
Riccardi needs to be made to eat his words… I would honestly not be upset if the Reds tried to get Dunn to steal a base this series.
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
I'm hoping, at least for one game
Dunn sprints out to his position, and to the batters box, and basically goes way overboard in trying to show that he has a passion for the game.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Jun 24, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
same. I'd get a kick outta that.
Especially if he made an acrobatic catch and we got to see the look on Riccardi’s face…
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
Here's the problem.
Phillips is going to get a hit with two outs. Dunn will come up to bat. The shift will be on. On the second pitch, Phillips will steal second and then try to steal third, cuz of the shift. He will be out by a country mile, killing any and all momentum. Dunn will strike out his next time up.
Search your feelings, you know it to be true!
by Brendanukkah on Jun 24, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
for those keeping score...
i am on the last disc of season three of arrested development.
Clearly, it’s a great show. However, I still think it falls short of the office and cye.
The end of season one lagged, and the part of season two with George Sr. in the attic started quite slowly. However, Season three so far has been fantastic.
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 24, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions
Keep your ears open in the middle of season three.
That’s when the show learned of its impending cancellation, and threw tons of brilliant references to it in the dialogue.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Jun 24, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, what BK said
I want a hamburger. No, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips...
Ron Howard talking about how terrible of a job the announcer did on Tobias's show
cracked me up!
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 24, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
... No idea what's happening...
So I’ll go watch satirical cheap humor with South Park.
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
Yeah, Ron Howard as the announcer
starts to come out of the background a lot more too. There’s an Opie reference in there somewhere as well.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Jun 24, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
did you finish undeclared?
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 24, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure did.
Terrific show. I find myself wishing there was more than 18 episodes of it, but I guess the 40 Year Old Virgin was pretty much a continuation of it, either way, with a few funnier actors (and a lot of the same ones). Apatow recycles his characters like nobody I’ve ever seen, but I’m okay with it because they’re hilarious.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Jun 24, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i have the same feeling about AD
i didn’t realize the final season was just 13 episodes til i went to rent the last disc today.
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 24, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
My question
What did Monica Keena do to piss Apatow off? He keeps putting everyone else that he worked with in his movies, but she doesn’t get a chance? Alas…
by Brendanukkah on Jun 24, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Turns out that Judd Apatow used to work on "The Critic"
“The Critic” and “Futurama” took all of the good Simpsons talent (well, so did “Late Night with Conan O’Brien” and Pixar), leaving that show to become the bloated, rotting corpse of the best show on television.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 24, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
And some equal opportunity beefcake for the ladies
Fellow Apatow stableboy, James Franco.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 24, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
As you watch the end of season 3
remember the context that show was threatened to be canceled for months. There was also a chance that it would go to HBO or Showtime.
I want a hamburger. No, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips...
and now there will be a movie!
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 24, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
A love letter to Dunn
from the Tao of Stieb (which may be the best baseball blog name). From looking around there and Drunk Jays Fans, it’s pretty clear that their fans hate Ricciardi much more than we ever hated Krivsky.
So... Apparently Griffey is still set to start the All-Star game...
I’m as big a fan as any… but seriously… GRIFFEY? He hasn’t exactly lit up opposing starters this year. Still, I guess hitting 600 HR does earn you an All-Star game start here and there…
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
At least Volquez will be the starter
So it’s not like Griffey will be our only representative.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 24, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
True. If Volquez somehow doesn't start... I'll personally verbally abuse a random victim from the roof of my house.
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Jun 24, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Clearly the Reds deserve two starters in the All star game.
We’ll all get to go to bed early and miss the tie.
Lineup
Hopper, CF
Dunn, LF
Griffey, DH
Phillips, 2B
Keppinger, 3B
Votto, 1B
Bruce, RF
Janish, SS
Bako, C
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Maybe Dusty belongs in the AL?
This lineup makes the most sense – EVER! I can’t really believe that Dusty made it.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 24, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to see Jr and Votto flipped
and once Edwin or Cherry gets back tomorrow put them in for Janish, its pretty solid.
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Yeah, but at this point it would take balls of brass to move Griffey
And those would get cold in Toronto, even in the summer time. I’m pretty damned ecstatic just to see these moves. And yes, Edwin and Cherry make this lineup better (or at least our bench deeper). But I’ll certainly take this.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 24, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
My Bad
Flip-Flop Kepp and Votto in the batting order.
Hopper, CF
Dunn, LF
Griffey, DH
Phillips, 2B
Keppinger, 3B
Votto, 1B
Bruce, RF
Janish, SS
Bako, C
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Um, this is the same as what you posted before
Is it supposed to be
Hopper, CF
Dunn, LF
Griffey, DH
Phillips, 2B
Votto, 1B
Keppinger, 3B
Bruce, RF
Janish, SS
Bako, C
That’s even better!
by Brendanukkah on Jun 24, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Off topic...
What changes did the Reds make to Bailey and his delivery and why has he lost velocity on his fastball? Something about keeping his hands from going over his head in his delivery? I read this in Buster Olney’s blog today on espn. It talks about LAA’s success with pitchers.
The Angels like pitchers with athletic deliveries that “create direction toward home plate,” Reagins said.
Like every organization, the Angels draft or sign pitchers who have been taught a range of mechanics as amateurs, and the team tries to introduce the motion of the hands going over the head in the delivery. “If the delivery is stagnant,” Reagins said, “arm injuries are more of a factor. Athletic deliveries tend to lead to a healthier arm.”
Reagins cited the recent example of Jordan Walden, a 20-year-old right-hander currently pitching in low-A ball Cedar Rapids. “He had a stagnant delivery,” Reagins said. “We just made some changes with him” - the hands going over the head - “and we’ve seen his velocity pick up and his command improve.”
Could this be why we see the loss of velocity? I mean its obvious Homer needs to speed up things so there aren’t a zillion stolen bases on him but we can not have his velocity down at 90-91 all game.
I really hope this isn't bad Bronson...
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
Bases juiced with no outs pretty much confirms my suspicions.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Jun 24, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Badroyo
I was thinking about going and doing something else for a while, thanks for help making that decision. 4-0 Jays.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
FTH
It’s already 6-0???
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prediction
i won’t be watching this game
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 24, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions
my chances
i will take them :-)
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 24, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
gipj
yep fuck this game
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 24, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions
The Badroyo exchange rate is great right now.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
OK
dusty has to suck it up and keep the human batting tee in there. We can’t blow the entire bullpen on this crapfest
Jeff, we hardly knew ye...
or not...
what an idiot. now the bully is blown for the next week.
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that's what she said
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 24, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
i just checked back in...
i’m off to watch the last disc now…
and i’ll probably get drawn back to this thread from time to time…
so don’t talk poorly about me!
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 24, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
chandrathan's a dick
am I right or am I right?
I want a hamburger. No, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips...
hey i saw that!
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 24, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh...My...God
This is magnificent in an utterly horrible way. Welcome, Magic Man
Jeff, we hardly knew ye...
In other news
Adam from Milwaukee did not call JP Ricciardi. It’s “not true. One million percent.”
I want a hamburger. No, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips...
Well, I'll say this
The Skydome/Rogers Centre has the most perfectly symmetrical field I’ve ever seen. Such Canadian tidiness!
If you cover up the tens place in the Jays' score
it’s all tied up. Our best hope is a collosal official scorer’s math mistake.
Is it too late to become a robber baron?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 24, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, here's a fun little trivia question
Thanks to baseball’s stadium boom, there are only ten stadia currently in use that are older than the Rogers Centre. How many can you name?
Wrigley, Fenway...
Is it too late to become a robber baron?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 24, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
busch
Is it too late to become a robber baron?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 24, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
The Deadbirds are in New Busch Stadium now.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 24, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No
Citizens Bank Park is newer than GABP.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 24, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
what the hell-
the Jays didn’t score. What’s wrong with them. Their offense is starting to suck. Even the REDS are better.
Reds fan for 40 years!
OK so it's --
Yankee, Fenway, Wrigley, Kaufmann, McKafee, Dodger Stadium, Dolphin, Metrodome, Shea and ??
Is it too late to become a robber baron?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 24, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
Correct!
Angel Stadium of Anaheim was built in 1966.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 24, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That is very surprising
they have made a lot of improvements to make it look new
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Apparently their cleanliness record is not so hot
Dodger Stadium and Angel Stadium are both at the bottom as far as health violations go in the food areas. Overrun with vermin. Kinda makes you wonder what all goes into a Dodger Dog.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 24, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
(My 10,000th SBN post)
Trivia.
So far you’ve named nine stadiums correctly. In order of age, you’ve gotten:
Fenway Park
Wrigley Field
Yankee Stadium
Dodger Stadium
Shea Stadium
????
McAfee Coliseum
Kaufman Stadium
Metrodome
Dolphin Stadium
The last one’s kind of surprising. Think out west.
Nope, that was built in 1999
A full decade after the Rogers Centre.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 24, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Arroyo should be DFA'd
Eat the 30 mill shit sandwich and deal with it. He is toast. Very Miltonesque and people forget that Milton had “good” starts time to time to in 2005.
perceptive
I want a hamburger. No, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips...
Either do it now or accept more crummy pitching
Your choice.
by Johnnypronto on Jun 24, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is our replacement if we cut Bronson loose?
by Brendanukkah on Jun 24, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Brian B still pitching innings out of the bullpen?
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Jun 24, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Any AAA clod
He can step up and throw some innings which would be better than Bronsons. Bailey will get back comfortably into his windup and rip style and be ready to go in Augest.
Very simple.
by Johnnypronto on Jun 24, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That plan seems dumb
However, I would be in favor if you were to fly to Korea and kidnap Tom Shearn, bring him back, and let him eat the innings as if they were a finely prepared dog.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 24, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
you're a genius
It is that simple. Just plop any old schmo in there. Hell, Chris Michalak should be looking for work, right? What about Josh Hall? Sunny Kim?
I want a hamburger. No, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips...
But Bailey hasn't had his MRI
and his arm is toast. I can find the link if you want me to. Plus you give a player an MRI before a DFA.
The Dusty Path to the World Series!*
*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.
by justin007000 on Jun 24, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't wish to see Janish start another game
Is it too late to become a robber baron?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 24, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions
I think they've already thrown this game
who cares if they throw another inning
I want a hamburger. No, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips...
replacing "game" with "season"
Is it too late to become a robber baron?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Jun 24, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
MRI?
I want a hamburger. No, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips...
Maloney has a 3-hit shutout through 6 innings inn AAA
0 BBs 6 Ks
And Hairston is at short again with a double and run scored!
Reds fan for 40 years!
Jim Maloney?
I want a hamburger. No, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips...
I think it's the catcher witch
you have to rob Peter to pay Paul
I want a hamburger. No, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips...
well
If we ignore the first two innings, it’s a pretty good game.
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cincinnatireds.com has some serious Baghdad Bob-ness going on
I just got back to my apartment and go to the website to get the mlb.tv going. The headline “Hopper has sac fly to put the Reds on the board”. I figured it was a close game.
I figured wrong.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
19 and 14
Same game: http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200805040.shtml
I want a hamburger. No, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips...
So... I saw the score on ESPN and decided I could stop vacuuming the house...
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
holy crap
14-1 when i get here?
22 hits. Arroyo got shelled i take it?
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
It was ugly.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Jun 24, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He hit a double
Whoopee! Games like this make me think that I don’t love baseball.
by Brendanukkah on Jun 24, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm trying to decide which is worse
Giving up 11 runs in the first two innings, so you know all is lost from the beginning, or being nibbled to death by ducks (or Bucs, as the case may be) over the whole game, so it doesn’t seem out of reach…until you look up and realize it’s 12-3.
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crap
there must be something srsly wrong with Arroyo, right? he isnt this bad of a pitcher, is he? does anyone remember last year when there were rumors he could have been shipped to the Braves for Yunel Escobar? i was really REALLY hoping tonight was going to be the night when he got himself back on track. giving up 11 runs to the horrible Blue Jays is just nightmarish. crap.
Stephen A. Douglas was a great debater, but Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 24, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply actions
The Yankees lost in humiliating fashion tonight
Darrell Rasner has been pretty sucky in his last two starts. The YES announcers (who are often considered mouthpieces for the Yankees front office) are suggesting that the problem is Posada. Because Rasner pitched well enough when Chad Moeller was catching him.
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Well,
Posada has done such a terrible job handling the staff during the last decade, so it must be him! Of course, if he didn’t hit so well he’d get more credit for his defense and staff-handlingness.
heh
Reminds me of Joe Garagiola:
Many think the ultimate compliment is to be described as a great handler of pitchers. Show me a catcher who’s described that way and I can probably show you a batting average under .230. A former catcher had it right when he said, “The best handler of pitchers is the catcher who drives in the winning run."
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
This team really sucks the big one. The batting order sucks the pitching sucks,
"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.
Toothpick sucks the big one
the outfield sucks. Dunn Blows, whAT A JOKE, WHY DO i CARE…... Fuck Dustbag.
there is no excuse for this level of baseball w/the talent we have. Fuck Castellini too
"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.
Mads
look at the bright side, at least Dusty is the one tossing Corey Patterson’s salad- not you. Hell, that’s something to hang your hat on.
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by Pops Daniels on Jun 24, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The bright side is not accessable to those of us who care the most(?)
I truley believe that any number of folks here at RR could do a better job that Baker. Plus I’ve just returned from an evening of bowling, my teqm crushed the opposition 4-0 and I admit to heavy drining and a belligerant attitutde which approaches outright hostility towards the whole fucking Reds regime.
i’m not accustomed to losing.
"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.
by Madville on Jun 24, 2008 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i see things got better after i left
i think we all need to see an analrapist!
When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.
by chandrathan on Jun 24, 2008 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
Bronson
i don’t know what is wrong with him. Too bad there isn’t somebody else around who could start. I am confident that Arroyo will figure it out, but I wouldn’t mind him working on it in long relief for a couple of weeks. He was hitting 92 according to game day, so his arm is still there. Maybe he could have a phantom injury, and get a few rehab starts in AA and AAA, and Maloney could be thrown to the fire, and probably fail for a couple of weeks.
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*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.
According to Game Score
Arroyo’s start last night was the worst by a Reds pitcher since 1956 (as far back as game data goes right now). It’s tied for 14th worst overall since 1956, though I’m a bit suspicious of the fact that most of the game on that list are from the last 10 years.
I want a hamburger. No, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips...
BTW
I know Game Score is unfamiliar to most people, so here is the definition:
GmSc – Game Score – This is a value created by Bill James that evaluates how good a pitcher’s start was.
Start with 50 points. Add 1 point for each out recorded, (or 3 points per inning). Add 2 points for each inning completed after the 4th. Add 1 point for each strikeout. Subtract 2 points for each hit allowed. Subtract 4 points for each earned run allowed. Subtract 2 points for each unearned run allowed. Subtract 1 point for each walk.
The important thing to remember is that the pitcher starts the game with 50 points, so if he ends it in the negative…well, that sucks.
I want a hamburger. No, a cheeseburger. I want a hot dog. I want a milkshake. I want potato chips...
Wow...
Just for additional perspective, I looked up this stinker from a few years back… and it was only a 7.
This game was just… immeasurably bad… in a lot of ways.
by iamwallaman on Jun 25, 2008 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Bronson needs an MRI.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Jun 25, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
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