If we pretend Tony Pena doesn't exist
then Corey Patterson has the lowest on base percentage of any major league player with more than 110 major league at bats this season.
Here's a list of players, their number of at bats, their on base percentage, and the number of games started at leadoff.
Player ABs OBP GS Leadoff
Uribe, J 126 .257 0
Blum, G 119 .256 0
Bynum, F 92 .255 2
Rabelo, M 102 .250 0
Molina, J 129 .239 0
Patterson, C 166 .229 27
Rivera, J 53 .228 0
Jones, J 37 .227 0
Tulowitzki, T 105 .226 0
Broussard, B 82 .225 0
Hu, C 102 .224 0
Estrada, J 39 .220 0
Nix, J 35 .216 0
Marte, J 46 .204 0
Pena, T 162 .174 0
Wood, B 64 .164 0
So while Dusty isn't the only manager to give a prolific outmaker lots of at bats, he does appear to be the only one to insert this outmaker at the very top of his motherhumping lineup.
It should be noted, furthermore, that only on the rarest occurences have any of these players batted before the heart of the lineup in their starts -- except for Corey P., of course, who's batted in front of the 3 hitter in every single one of his starts.
I'm not sure what else to say. The Patterson situation has gone so far beyond the frontiers of the utterly insane that it's getting hard to keep a proper perspective on it.
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motherFUCKING
It’s motherFUCKING. No humping involved.
"Got a bump on the ole noggin, but otherwise god. And I get a new vehicle probably, w00t!"
by jch24 on Jun 18, 2008 1:48 AM EDT 0 recs
Don't forget that our #3 hitter
Ken Griffey Jr. is at .244 BA /.356 OBP /.391 SLG /.746 OPS – Not good at all for the slot where your most prolific hitter should be batted. This choice is another amazing and gutless one by Baker.
Jr. should be drtopped to the 5 or 6 hole.( Patterson shouldn’t be on this team whne Hopper gets back)
I realize that KG Jr. will whine but who’s running the show ? It is 4:56am, I wonder if Jocko is trying to reach Dusty right about now…he should be.
Remember too, Mountain, this is a manager who manages his team by ‘hearing’, not by paying attention to or reasoning by utilizing the availalbe statistical information. Like a blind monkey dry humping Castellini’s leg. Meahwhile Billy Hatcher is still coaching 1st. base.
"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.
by Madville on Jun 18, 2008 4:59 AM EDT 0 recs
Eh
I say let Jr. stay there. Those lineup calculators that put the pitcher 8th also say the #3 hitter doesn’t really matter that much. The guy who bats there should be the one who doesn’t fit in any of the other slots. The guy who is left over after all the other slots are filled.
No, I don’t think that’s Dusty’s reasoning at all, but why annoy Jr. when the benefit of doing so is dubious.
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by BubbaFan on
Jun 18, 2008 5:54 AM EDT
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Castellocketty: "it's still too early. We're still evaluating what we have here."
That’s all I have to say until Walt goes out and finds us John Mabry.
by Brian B on
Jun 19, 2008 9:22 AM EDT
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Line up
Hairston/Kepp
Bruce
Votto
Dunn
EdE
Phillips
Griffey
weak hitting catcher
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
by Caleb on Jun 18, 2008 8:03 AM EDT 0 recs
I'm now convinced
For months, I defended Baker. Two ABs last night, though, convinced me that he should be fired.
1. LLM, he of the career .590 OPS vs. lefties (and lovely .472 this year) left in to hit against Beimel.
2. Bottom of the 9th, two on, two out, down by two runs. Please, God, don’t let Patterson hit. Please. Damn.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on Jun 18, 2008 8:54 AM EDT 0 recs
Javy
Not fair. How many at bats is that? I think he could be a productive right handed hitter if given enough opportunities.
by Brian B on
Jun 19, 2008 9:25 AM EDT
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OPS+ of 46
He’s coming for you, Brady Clark!
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
by Slyde on Jun 18, 2008 8:59 AM EDT 0 recs
I meant Eric Owens
not Brady Clark.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
by Slyde on
Jun 18, 2008 10:53 AM EDT
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Correction
I somehow missed that Travis Buck, whose OBP is somewhere in the .230s, has started fifteen games batting leadoff for the Oakland A’s, which is kind of ironic.
I don’t have time to check what the circumstances where. It may be that he lost his spot due to poor performance. See y’all next week.
You have rats in Spain, don't you - or did Franco have them all shot?
by Man Mountain on Jun 18, 2008 9:59 AM EDT 0 recs
Buck led off 14 of the first 17 games of the season
and then he spent a month and a half in the minors where he batted .344/.432/.500 in 25 games. He led off his first game back in the Majors, went 0 for 4, and hasn’t batted in the top half of the lineup since.
It should be noted that Buck has a career .404 OBP in the minors and posted a .377 OBP in 82 MLB games last season. Patterson’s career best OBP in the Majors is .329 in 83 games in 2003. The only time as a pro that he’s posted an OBP higher than that while playing more than 25 games at the level was his first season when he had a .320/.354/.592 line in 112 games. His BABIP that year was .357.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
by Slyde on
Jun 18, 2008 10:14 AM EDT
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At least they had the sense to drop him
Another fun stat: No one in the majors this year with at least 100 ABs leading off is within 45 points of OBP of Patterson. In fact, the last time someone had >100 PA for the season hitting #1 and a lower OBP was out machine Doug Glanville’s .222 in ‘03.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on
Jun 18, 2008 10:38 AM EDT
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Last 89 ABs for Patterson
zero BB.
When your BA = OBP and that number is under .200, you should not be in the majors, let alone leading off.
by bengalred on Jun 18, 2008 10:11 AM EDT 0 recs
more fun
Since he took his last walk on April 28th, his batting line is .169/.169/.213 over 89 ABs (90 PAs). By my estimate, that’s an OPS+ of -1.
Since his hot start during the first week of the season, he’s batting .163/.199/.230 over his last 143 PAs (OPS+ of 11).
In his last 39 ABs, he’s had 3 hits, no walks, and 6 total bases.
I’m not convinced that Patterson is better than Drew Stubbs right now, and Stubbs is still playing in High-A ball.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
by Slyde on
Jun 18, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
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While we're pretending Tony Pena doesn't exist...
can we pretend Corey Patterson doesn’t exist, either?
by Gray on Jun 18, 2008 11:00 AM EDT 0 recs
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
by Slyde on
Jun 18, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
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there are bonus points in there somewhere, if you want 'em.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
by Slyde on
Jun 18, 2008 11:04 AM EDT
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I will credit your account in 4 to 6 weeks
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
by Slyde on
Jun 18, 2008 11:07 AM EDT
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This is the kind of thing Keith Olbermann should comment on.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Jun 18, 2008 11:01 AM EDT 0 recs
"Shame on you, Mr. Baker."
“And Mr. Patterson, you are the Worst Person in the World.”
by Brendanukkah on
Jun 18, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
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Quote from Qory
Via Fay:
"I thought I had good at-bats," he said. "You can’t worry about results. People look at charts and worry about results. You’ve got to maintain your approach. You have your ups and downs. Could I be playing better? Sure. I’ve been in this situation before. You’ve got to keep playing.”
Let’s break it down:
I thought I had good at-bats
Really?
The first AB wasn’t bad and he ended up with a single on a well-struck ball. Of course, then he got caught stealing.
The 2nd AB, he took all four pitches and struck out looking. That’s the very definition of a bad AB.
The 3rd AB, he grounded out weakly to 2nd on a 2-0 count with a man on 1st.
The 4th AB, he grounded out weakly to 2nd on a 2-1 count with runners on 2nd and 3rd.
The 5th AB, he grounded out weakly to 1st on a 2-2 count with a runner on 1st. He did foul 2 pitches off, so maybe that qualifies as a good AB? Otherwise, I see one decent AB and 4 bad ones.
You can’t worry about results.
Clearly that stopped happening months ago.
People look at charts and worry about results.
Usually people who live in their mother’s basements.
You’ve got to maintain your approach.
Or you could change it. Some might say that only a fool continues to do the same thing and expect different results. But we’re not worrying about results. Sorry, I forgot.
You have your ups and downs.
I like how he’s speaking in 2nd person. It’s sort of like he knows none of this applies to him. Seriously, when is going to have some ups? All I’m seeing are downs.
Could I be playing better? Sure.
Well I’m convinced. Then again, better is such a relative term. Notice how he didn’t ask, “Could I be any good?”
I’ve been in this situation before.
And yet your manager still has not learned his lesson.
You’ve got to keep playing.
Or not. You could just stop playing. Please.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
by Slyde on Jun 18, 2008 11:29 AM EDT 1 recs
Corey's responses are knee jerk old-school blithering.
Unless I’ve gone insane, reviewingresults is the process by which performance is evaluated in order to maintain or improve an acceptablelevel of productivity. Not brushing them off nonchalantly. But his response may also be a way of trying to ‘keep on keepin’ on’, a sort of defense mechanism. HOWEVER Dusty Baker has shown that he could make a great politican: Ignore reaqality and the truth…just spin it. Just spin it.
"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.
by Madville on
Jun 18, 2008 12:07 PM EDT
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Dusty
Is just a bad mananger, the team wins in spite of him and that doesn’t happen that often.
Beware the toothpick knows.
by Pilsner73 on Jun 18, 2008 11:52 AM EDT 0 recs
6 more times
Than Narron’s team last year which had that horrible bullpen. Way to go Dusty!
Beware the toothpick knows.
by Pilsner73 on
Jun 18, 2008 2:56 PM EDT
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And now a quote from Dusty
Another one from Fay:
“With Junior out, I’m very limited with my outfield,” Baker said. “(Andy) Phillips hasn’t played outfield since spring training. Everyone wonders why I didn’t pinch-hit for Corey. For his career, Corey is better against left-handers.”
Actually, Patterson is slightly better against right-handers.
Yep, for his career:
Corey vs. RHP : .260/.302/.423
Corey vs. LHP: .240/.273/.375
Way to be on that one, Dusty!
BTW, as was mentioned in the game thread, Jolbert Cabrera could have played OF and Janish could have played SS. Cabrera has more games in the OF than anywhere else. Once again, Dusty lacks any shred of creativity.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
by Slyde on Jun 18, 2008 11:58 AM EDT 0 recs
Starting to lack any shred of credibility also.
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
by Caleb on
Jun 18, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
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He (Toothpick) is determined that his guy
"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.
by Madville on Jun 18, 2008 12:08 PM EDT 0 recs
Try again! Dusty is determined to show that Corey is going to become the star that he once was destined to be
At the detriment of his team.
Lets hope that the Reds don’t follow this path with Homer Bailey (provided Bailey doesn’t get redirected soon).
"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.
by Madville on Jun 18, 2008 12:11 PM EDT 0 recs
An historically bad leadoff hitter
Steve Treder at The Hardball Times took a look at the worst leadoff hitters in the Retrosheet era (since ‘57). Corey is making a serious run at inclusion in this list. Although he hasn’t quite met the criteria of leading off in half of the games, who knows how that will play out for the rest of the year. The worst 5:
5. 55+ Don Kessinger, shortstop, 1967 Chicago Cubs
4. 49+ Alfredo Griffin, shortstop, 1981 Toronto Blue Jays
3. 46+ Ducky Schofield, shortstop, 1965 San Francisco Giants
2. 46+ Brian Hunter, left fielder, 1999 Seattle Mariners
1. 44+ Ivan DeJesus, shortstop, 1981 Chicago Cubs
Corey: 46+ (193/229/343)
OPS+ is actually kind to Corey because it weighs SLG and OBP equally. OBP is of course the more important component for any hitter, let alone a leadoff hitter.
Treder’s description of the Pinella’s decision to bat Hunter leadoff sounds eerily familiar: Moreover, Seattle committed a third blunder with their choice of Hunter. Those 1999 Mariners blasted 244 home runs, the sixth-highest total in history, rendering Hunter’s lone asset—his splendid capacity to get himself from first base to second on those rare occasions he got himself to first— highly irrelevant.
by ken on Jun 18, 2008 12:47 PM EDT 0 recs
Mariners
Posnanksi looked at the Mariners from that era as possibly being the most underachieving team ever. Considering they had at various times HOFers Griffey, Arod, Unit and (possibly) Edgar, it’s a good case. Their problem was the roster was filled out with horrible players and in this case the horrible player was given the most opportunities.
by Red Menace on
Jun 18, 2008 1:47 PM EDT
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I just skimmed that article. Looking back at some of those teams, I didn’t know that they had Ibanez in his late 20s. Pinella must not have liked him for some reason because he didn’t play much. Stick him in LF instead of Hunter and that’s a few wins right there.
Also, I have no idea why I added the plus signs after the OPS+ numbers.
by ken on
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happy birthday, by the way
i got you this.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on
Jun 18, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
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Tanks!
I think – youtube is blocked at work so I won’t see this until much later.
This lineup is better, but I’m much happier with the lineup I’m seeing tonight: The National/Modest Mouse/REM.
by ken on
Jun 18, 2008 4:49 PM EDT
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Fuck me
Now that’s a birthday concert.
/looks at Spirtitualized/Dirtbombs tickets that just came in the mail, and feels okay with self. I got an extra if anybody wants to come. July 25.
by Brendanukkah on
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on a related note
im going to the dentist later to get fitted for a mouth guard. it seems ive started grinding my teeth at night.
If you don't get a good-night kiss, you get Kafka dreams.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 18, 2008 2:06 PM EDT 0 recs
At least you are sleeping
but at $3.5M, so is Dusty.
"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.
by Madville on
Jun 18, 2008 2:46 PM EDT
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I figured this was as good a post as any for today's lineups
Here at thelotd (whatever that is) under C Trent: Lineup
Corey finally out of the leadoff spot. or is it “K”orey? I can never seem to recall. Is Dacubs around to help?
"I've been rapping for about seventeen years, okay? I don't write my stuff anymore. I just kick it from my head. I can do that. No disrespect, but that's how I am."
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Jun 18, 2008 4:38 PM EDT 0 recs
And Votto leading off!
Joey Votto 1b
Jolbert Cabrera ss
Jay Bruce rf
Brandon Phillips 2b
Adam Dunn lf
Edwin Encarnacion 3b
Corey Patterson cf
David Ross c
Bronson Arroyo p
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on
Jun 18, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
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Dusty really doesn't think he has anybody else who can play outfield, does he?
Has nobody told him how much Cabrera has played in the outfield? Really?
by Gray on
Jun 18, 2008 4:45 PM EDT
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Yeah but
If you’re going to stick a shortstops bat in the 2 hole (huh huh), I much prefer Cabrera’s to Janish’s.
by Brendanukkah on
Jun 18, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
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the fay has dunn and EdE switched...
I don’t know whom I trust to get things wrong less.
by Gray on
Jun 18, 2008 4:58 PM EDT
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you can bat a 1b leadoff?
...really?
I know it’s wrong. But it feels so right.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on
Jun 18, 2008 5:00 PM EDT
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I think Dusty slept in this morning/afternoon
and C. Trent or somebody filled out the lineup. Or Welsh, he was talking about putting Votto near the top of the order the other night.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on
Jun 18, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
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wtf is the fay talking about?
The Reds are hitting .170 on the homestand and exploding for 2.14 runs a game.I don’t see any quick fix. Until Adam Dunn, Ken Griffey Jr., Brandon Phillips and Edwin Encarnacion start hitting, things aren’t going to turn around.
For the homestand:
Dunn: 3 for 20, 2 of those HRs, with 6 walks
EdE: 8 for 24 with a walk and a HR
BP: 3 for 22 with a HR and 3 walks
Jr.: 1 for 19 with 5 walks
Meanwhile, Votto is 7 for 25 with a walk and a HR over that time. Oh, and Bruce is 4 for 25 with a HR and a walk.
So again, the problem isn’t exactly that “the big four” aren’t hitting, it’s that Jr. has been sucking, BP hasn’t been much better, and the guys who have been hitting the most are buried at the bottom of the lineup. And Bruce has come back down to earth, while Patterson/Janish/Cabrera have been rotating through the top of the order.
by Gray on Jun 18, 2008 4:40 PM EDT 0 recs














