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Homer coming up

The fifth spot in the rotation will be filled out with Homer Bailey. Bailey was taken out of his start in Louisville tonight in the third inning and will start Thursday against the Phillies.

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this is probably implied, but

“w00t.”

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Jun 1, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

majewski back down

would be my guess

FIRE DUSTY BAKER

by Blue on Jun 1, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

none from me

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 1, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

wasn't sure if anyone else

was having back spasms

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty worried about this

Its hard to be worse than our 5th starters have been, but he hasn’t been pitching well in Louisville this month. He needs to show that he can still heat that fastball up to 94 mph consistently, because the rest of his stuff just isn’t there at this point. I hope he blows them away, but this sure is a strange move. He needs to start striking people out again.

FIRE DUSTY BAKER

by Blue on Jun 1, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

my hope

is that he was bored early in the season and pissed that he wasnt in cincy. maybe he’ll be pumped up now that he’s back in the bigs

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 1, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be great

I hope your hope is the right hope.

FIRE DUSTY BAKER

by Blue on Jun 1, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

the great right hope?

I know, that’s racist!

Reds fan for 40 years!

by gejoe on Jun 1, 2008 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

i sure hope so

we all know what kind of killer stuff this kid has, he just has to make it work. damn it would be great if he makes it work…

If you don't get a good-night kiss, you get Kafka dreams.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 1, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

top 9, theyre down 4-3

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 1, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

roenicke made his triple-a debut

struck out 2 of his 3 batters

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 1, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

did his dad play in the majors?

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

ron. so did his uncle gary.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 1, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was think of Gary

Hal has a column up about Homer coming to Philly

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow. first word. omitted r.

that’s some serious copy-editing right there.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Jun 1, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

reading through the rest of it

it hasnt been copy edited at all

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 1, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

he went on earlier

majewski replaced him

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 1, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

speaking of the DL

I ran across this at mlbtraderumors. i dont know why, but this makes me unbearably sad. i never liked him, but his is just a sad sad story.

If you don't get a good-night kiss, you get Kafka dreams.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 1, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

man that dude has had one injury plagued career. Too bad, I hate to see anyone go through that

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

i loved watching Prior pitch in 2003

he threw so hard and with such great command, and that nasty slider, I thought he could be a 300 game winner, with as much as he did by the age of 22. Now he is probably at best going to be a Paul Wilson-esque scrub.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://homerbaileyfacts.blogspot.com/

I ran across this blog looking for some news.

My favorite line was this one:

Homer Bailey doesn’t even walk his dog.

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

bats lose 5-4 in 10 innings.

danny herrera gives up a run and gets the loss

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 1, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

so on Thursday

is it Bailey vs Hamels?

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions  

yep

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 1, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about that?

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 1, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

very nice

I’m liking it a lot
almost enough to drive to Philly

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

thats commitment homes

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 1, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It must be

I just told my wife and she said I should be committed

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reds Rotation

Arroyo – Monday
Harang – Tuesday
Volquez – Wednesday
Bailey – Thursday
Cueto – Friday

I’m going to have a really good week

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

im almost giddy at that rotation

if for no other reason than for the first time in a long time i feel like the rotation is all Reds. You know, Reds.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 1, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is the rotation many fans hoped to see at some point

It feels like the finished product.

Some muthafucka’s always trying to ice-skate uphill

by Man Mountain on Jun 1, 2008 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

because all those guys are reds until at least 2011

(assuming harang and arroyo’s options are picked up). anyway, there are no stopgaps in there. These are 2 guys who have carried us for 2 or 3 years, 2 guys we have dreamed of having in the rotation for 2 or 3 years, and one of the best young pitchers in baseball who could win a cy young and will probably be our ace for a long time. it’s hard not to be giddy.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 1, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really can't see

not picking up their options. This is feeling like when the Reds picked up Jim Merritt. We traded for a new guy (Volquez) We had a couple of solid vets (Cloninger, Maloney), a couple of hot prospects (Gullett, Simpson) in the minors.

I’m with you brother, I am giddy

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

let me try that again

I really can’t see not picking up their options. This is feeling like when the Reds picked up Jim Merritt. We traded for a new guy (Merritt) We had a couple of solid vets (Cloninger, Maloney), a couple of hot prospects (Gullett, Simpson) in the minors.

Volquez = Merritt
Cloninger = Arroyo
Maloney = Harang
Cueto = Gullett
Bailey = Simpson

I’m with you brother, I am giddy

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

so Cueto will be oft injured

have his career ended when he falls on his shoulder, have a heart attack in his mid 30s, and work on a tabocco farm for a number of years, and be hired by the Reds organization in the late 2010s, and the pitching coach by 2020something, be thought to be the best thing since sliced bread because of several players picked up of the scrap heap, one of which is the runner up for the Cy Young, before blowing out his elbow and returning just a shell of his former self, and Cueto after a few years in which Cueto can’t pull a rabitt out of a hat will be thought of as a terrible pitching coach and fired?

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i really hope not

I was just trying to point out the building process seems, at least to me, to be very similar.

I take no credit/blame for any future success/failure of any Reds pitcher, either living or dead, for the duration of their career.

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was just joshin you

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought so

but the old guys all had their share of health problems. Although most are avoidable now with training, pitch counts, medical advances, etc…

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless your name is Mark Prior

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least know I feel like the Reds can be competitive every game

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

no place holders or cast offs or spare parts to be found. There will be some growing pains with Homer, as we see with Cueto, but if the Reds can get some quality starts like Johnny has given us I’ll be very much happy!

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

All Reds

I had a roommate who was a huge Oakland fan. He always used to talk about how some of the players weren’t really A’s, they were just stopgaps and fill ins because the team had no money. He always hated it when one of those players cost them a game, but didn’t mind when the team went down swinging with a ‘real A’.

We’re getting Reds up and down the roster now and it feels great.

by Red Menace on Jun 1, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paul Bako

Real Red or Hired Gun?

Shortstop, we know your answer.

by Brendanukkah on Jun 1, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

his first at bats were in 1997.

does this make him a 10-5 player? _;

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Jun 1, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep I think so

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

ok he is a Red

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

career stats

and check out the sponsor line.

I had never noticed that before. Good stuff

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stand corrected

Javy Valentin, you are first in our hearts, last off the bench.

by Red Menace on Jun 1, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to bring this up

has Patterson played yet for Lville?

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

went 2 for 5 yesterday and made 2 outs on the base paths.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on Jun 1, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rick Sweets mama ain't raised no fools

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

yep

three games. quite a few hits, quite a few caught stealingses

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 1, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

isn't that Dusty-Ball?

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

a friend of mine thinks he can be an athlete

because he is taller and weighs less than the LLM.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

be careful

Red Hot Mama might kidnap and kill you. Red Reporter is the only blog that openly refuses to kidnap and kill its readership.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on Jun 1, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

She used to say that about Eric Milton

Er, the household name part, not the LLM part.

She had to change her blog’s tagline when Milton left.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 1, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

her Eric Milton line was about him getting back to mediocrity

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on Jun 1, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crolfer ? I bet he's got the arm...we know he's got the smarts..but can he hit the breaking ball?

"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.

by Madville on Jun 1, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeez I was trying to reply to Brendan's question re: the catcher of the future

And I ended up down here with the Uncle Militie quotes. Yea I hit the reply thingy.

"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.

by Madville on Jun 1, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really a catcher though...

And a complete contact hitter… Think NoHo but not quite that quick…

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Jun 2, 2008 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

So puy on some weight, grab the gear and call a few games - The Reds Need You.

"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.

by Madville on Jun 2, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

the reds rotation is now 5 deep

and atleast we dont have to see stupid ass josh “i wish would get lost in a” fogg and matt beliese

by RaysOfHope on Jun 1, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Rotation and 6th/7th starters

Yes, the rotation is now 5 deep, and the 6th and 7th starters on the depth chart should be another couple of promising AAA pitchers: Maloney and Thompson.

by rojosoto on Jun 2, 2008 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

is he going to get an MRI first?

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah. I was wondering that myself.

At least he should get poked with the Injury Stick.

Dusty's head needs an MRI. Beeeeeeeepppp...

by Paul Householder on Jun 1, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, um

Is Alan a proud papa again? Or just too busy monitoring the R. Kelly trial? He should be around for these momentous times.

by Brendanukkah on Jun 1, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

The excuse I heard was that the weather is too nice to be inside on the computer

and he hates you.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on Jun 1, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm ok you're ok

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I thought

I was all, “Brendan? Really?” And he was all, “Yeah.” And I was all, “Wow.” And he was all, “I know, I didn’t believe it myself.”

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on Jun 1, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

so he didn't commit cyber-suicide again

Narron was fired

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

LGT thinks you’re nothing but trouble.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 1, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

But... but... everyone that matters loves me!

Heh. For a second I thought you were talking about some advocacy group.

by Brendanukkah on Jun 2, 2008 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

I’m sure those “other” LGTs love you.

The ones from the Mistake By the Lake are just weird. If it had been anyone else, okay, I could see it. (I’m still wondering what Boobs said to get booted from Crawfish Boxes.) But you’re about the least offensive person here. You’re even nice to Yankees fans, fer crissakes.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 2, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

everybody loves brendan

he would be prom king

When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.

by chandrathan on Jun 2, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or even prom queen

At the LGT ball.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 2, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

would he be Mom Prom King?

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on Jun 2, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

finally!

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Jun 1, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

So...

This week the Reds should see contributions from Volquez, Cueto, Bailey, Bruce, and Votto, all of whom did not play a significant role with last season’s team. I suddenly understand what Timbuk 3 was singing about.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on Jun 1, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't want to rain on the parade...but

Homer really hasn’t shown very much to:
A. Warrant this promotion
B. Appear ready with anything much more than his fastball
C. May still have his head in the clouds
D. Could get his bell rung worse than Belizzle

On the other hand we can always hope that somehow he’ll figure out that you need more than a very good fastball and an attitude of entitlement to succeed at the Show,
Good Luck – Go Homer

"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.

by Madville on Jun 1, 2008 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Bruce wasn't supposed to be able to take a walk either

Volquez was supposed to have a 9.00 ERA.

The youngsters have a touch of destiny to them. Let’s think lucky til we have a reason to think otherwise.

by Brendanukkah on Jun 1, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going with the boobian theory of minor league boredom

until given reason to believe otherwise. At which point I will demand an immediate MRI.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on Jun 1, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was listening to "The Show" on XM

and Rob Dibble says the problems with young pitchers is they get too many MRI’s and are babied too much. Rob Dibble is such an insufferable moron.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

boobian theory

You know some one will see that and say “Well over at Redreporter they were discussing the Boobian Theory of minor league boredom.” Then they will go and create some Sabr stat that will define rookie seasons for generations to come

You should have copyrighted that puppy

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

both those puppies

Some muthafucka’s always trying to ice-skate uphill

by Man Mountain on Jun 1, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

he started out well in AAA and his walks seemed to go down

he may have been pissed or even depressed, he feel a long way. A year ago he was the toast of Cincinnati and he hadn’t even thrown a pitch of a Big League mound, and was considered to be the top pitching prospect in baseball along with Phil Hughes, and was far and away the best Prospect in the Reds organization, now he is the second or third (do we consider Voltron a prospect?) best pitching prospect in the organization.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the spot was to be filled by a AAA player it almost had to be Homer

because:

A. Lehr and Shearn are no longer with the Reds.
B. Bringing Maloney up would mean having to add him to the 40 man
C. Thompson, who is on the 40 man, has only had one start above AA.
D. Bailey is on the 40 man, has pitched in the bigs, and is still incredibly talented.

But I do agree with you that “Homer really hasn’t shown very much to May still have his head in the clouds.” Natch.

Some muthafucka’s always trying to ice-skate uphill

by Man Mountain on Jun 1, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not sure if Lehr and Shearn would have gotten the call anyway

they were insurance policy’s and AAA stopgaps. They may not have lasted the year in the AAA rotation with the way Thompson and some of the other pitchers in the organization have been throwing. While I thought was Shearn did last fall was cool, and I am personally happy he got his cup of coffee in the Majors, he really has no buisness throwing every 5 days for Cincinnati. Lehr is a similar story with just a little more big league work. Cincinnati saw enough of Justin Lehr on April 23, 2006.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't either

just pointing out that there were other factors beside performance that made this decision more likely.

Some muthafucka’s always trying to ice-skate uphill

by Man Mountain on Jun 1, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know what you mean

And I’m kind of afraid he’s going to be…disappointing. Everything has just been going so well, it almost seems like tempting fate to expect Homer to be an ace, too, at least right now.

But like I said on Yankees boards about about Ian Kennedy and Phil Hughes…if I have to watch pitchers stink up the joint, better the kids than the washed-up has-beens or never-weres.

Of course, Kennedy and Hughes are both on the DL now… :-/

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 1, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I don't think we are expecting Bailey to be an ace right now

atleast I just hope he is better than Fogg and Belisle have been, you know not put the Reds in positions to loose whenever he goes out.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

the nice thing is

he doesn’t have to be an ace. He can just concentrate on learning to pitch at the ML level

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Jun 1, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

what if...

...he’s as bad or worse than Fogg?

The Yankees faced that situation with both Kennedy and Hughes. It wasn’t just the fact that they had 9 ERAs. They were worried that it was going to screw up their heads, getting shelled like that every game. But they also worried sending them down would screw with their heads, too. Phil Hughes was nearly in tears after his last game, and he’s a pretty mature and well-grounded young man. More so than Bailey, IMVHO. Watching Hughes’ interview after the game, I couldn’t imagine sending him out there again.

I think Cashman & Co. were secretly a little relieved when they landed on the DL. They didn’t have to keep sending them out there any more, and they didn’t have to send them down, either.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 1, 2008 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the important psychological and emotional demands of being an athlete

but at some point I think you have to stop thinking of these pitchers as “kids” and start thinking of them as professionals who are paid to perform a job. I know it’s a much more stressful job than most, but it’s still a job, and these teams need to see if they can do it.

If they’re not pitching well in the majors, then send them back to the minors to pitch. But they are paid to pitch.

If Bailey is worse than Belisle and Fogg then send him back down.

And FWIW, one might just as easily guess that Hughes’ maturity and groundedness is part of his problem. Perhaps he’s smart enough and emotionally intelligent enough to realize the scrutiny and pressure he is under, and he reacts badly to that? Perhaps Homer’s cussedness will be a boon to him? It’s all a crap shoot when we try to start guessing what’s going on in these players’ minds.

Some muthafucka’s always trying to ice-skate uphill

by Man Mountain on Jun 1, 2008 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could be

I was a lot more comfortable letting Kennedy take his lumps than Hughes. Kennedy is a couple of years older, and has college experience, and just seemed to handle it better. He may also have been helped by the fact that he’s not Phil Phranchise. He was only drafted in 2006, and made his major league debut the very next year. The fans hardly knew him when he burst onto the scene. While they’d been eagerly awaiting Hughes for years.

Bailey…I think I’d feel better about this callup if he were pitching better in AAA. I guess you can say I don’t buy the Boobian theory.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Jun 2, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't either

and I expect he’ll get roughed up in Philly and has every chance to get roughed up by the Marlins. But I think he just has to pitch.

The success of Bruce, Votto, Volquez, Cueto and to a much lesser degree Janish means he won’t have the star spotlight on him this year like last, when he was brought up in the hopes he could be Harang’s Boy Wonder. And, unlike Hughes in NY, if he struggles badly, 99.99% of the baseball public won’t give a damn about it.

Some muthafucka’s always trying to ice-skate uphill

by Man Mountain on Jun 2, 2008 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

the 'star spotlight'

That was my bad. Ash and I hung Simpsons-y donuts from the upper deck of Great American for each of his strikeouts in his debut.

by Red Menace on Jun 2, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

i saw those

that was a fun game, a playoff atmosphere in a losing season.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 2, 2008 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have read that Hughes is a little lazy

but not from the most repatable sources

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to say that I am not a big fan of this move I really

do not think you should reward the sullen Bailey by promoting him to the Big club. According
to McCoy and others Bailey has been aloof in the minors, claiming that he is learning nothing since being with the farm team this year. Granted he is young, but he should be savvy enough to not say that even if it is the case. In addition, he is not exactly tearing up the minors. One this is for sure, if the media accounts are true, it seems he has some maturing to do.

I hope I am wrong about him, there is no question he has the stuff, and perhaps it is the only move short of bringing up Thompson or another non-roster player. However, I am afraid that management might be making a myopic decision with the potential Reds ace.

by CrimsonKing on Jun 1, 2008 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I would think "not tearing up the minors" should be a number one reason for not liking the move.

And being “sullen” should be number two.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Jun 1, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

All he needs to do is meet the right girl, right andromache?

Sure, he seems sullen to you in the media, but you don’t see what he’s like away from everyone else.

I think this is absolutely the right move. At the worst, he’ll be like Fogg or Belisle. At best, he’ll be an ace. Personally, I think he’ll be inconsistent and look like both of those. But the key is to challenge him to be better, and to realize exactly what he was replacing in those times when he sucks.

I’ve been shouting for a youth movement all year, and now we’ll have all the pieces up with the big club. I’m as happy as a little girl.

by Brendanukkah on Jun 1, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

he can’t be much worse than Belisle or Fogg, and he has much better upside, Belisle and Fogg won’t get any better, but if he is sucking at the big league level at least he may be learning something.

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by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's true that there probably is nothing he can learn at AAA

He still has much to learn, but it’s not going to happen when he knows he can blow his stuff by AAA batters. He needs a major league pitcher to take him in as a padawan. Master Harang?

by Red Menace on Jun 1, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't agree RM,

He could learn to control and develop a breaking ball or off speed pitch.
He could learn more about the art and the business of pitching
And he could possilby learn from watching others, that some guys who are better than you (J.Bruce par example) have waited patiently and professionally and are mentally as well as physically prepared to make the most of their chances.
Having said all of this, he can’t be any worse than Flogg the Dog, and I too have been clammering for a youth movement so I’ll shut up and wish him a great re-entry.

"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.

by Madville on Jun 1, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he gets knocked around a lot this year it will be a bit of a test

we can see if he learns anything, or if he just continues to proove the definition of insanity. Heis personality could be an asset, atleast his cockiness and you can’t hit my fastball personality, but he probably also needs Crash Davis.

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by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right

He could do all those things. I guess I should have said I don’t think it’s likely he would learn anything staying down there. Maybe this is a problem with the coaching, maybe he’s just a tough nut to crack. Anyways if he improves on our fifth starter performance next week, great; if Chase Utley learns him a thing or two maybe that’s ok too.

by Red Menace on Jun 1, 2008 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm telling you sign Kevin Costner and DFA Bako now that he is coming back to earth

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by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which Costner character are we signing

the one who’s a washed up minor leaguer in that chick flick or the one who’s the washed up son of a washed up minor leaguer in that chick flick or the one who’s a washed up major leaguer in that chick flick or the one who’s a washed major leaguer in that chick flick?

Some muthafucka’s always trying to ice-skate uphill

by Man Mountain on Jun 1, 2008 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

the first one

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by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think this is a reward for good work

as much as it is a need. Matt Maloney hasn’t been tearing it up either, for the first few weeks of season he was pretty awful in Louisville, and his spring training was terrifying. I wouldn’t complain if they called up Thompson, it isn’t impossible to make that jump. But he would be jumping over both Bailey and Maloney.

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by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Boobian Theory - It really does have a ring to it.

"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.

by Madville on Jun 1, 2008 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

This will be Homer's 2nd start in Philly

He went head to head with Kendrick on June 26th last year, giving up 6 earned in 1.2 IP, 3BB and 1 K in an eventual 11-4 Reds loss.

Ryan Howard touched him up for a 2 run Homer in the 1st.

Some muthafucka’s always trying to ice-skate uphill

by Man Mountain on Jun 1, 2008 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, great

So he’ll be returning to the scene of the crime.

Well, maybe he’ll have something to prove.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 1, 2008 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think he had a pulled groin for that start

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by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love the move

Not sure what damage it could do to the club, he’s the best option for a #5 guy in the organization right now all things considered. He knows what its like to get knocked around a little in the bigs, if they show an extended commitment to him it could be a really positive thing.

by thedecline19 on Jun 1, 2008 11:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Big optimism

To super-cool smart people there were three potential hazards for the Reds roster going into this season: Patterson over Bruce, Hatteberg over Votto (never actually came to pass) and Fogg/Belisle/Whoever over Bailey. Very quickly all three have been put to rest. Go kids!

by Red Menace on Jun 1, 2008 11:48 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe we were wrong about that part of Dusty

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by justin007000 on Jun 1, 2008 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES!!!

so is this something we can blame on the Wayner? is Jocko really behind all this? i dont really care, actually. i feel like June 1st this year is the real opening day. its a whole new season! behind us are the days of crippled offenses and ineffective pitchers. ahead of us are limitless possibilities!

If you don't get a good-night kiss, you get Kafka dreams.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Jun 2, 2008 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Three potential hazards

Remember Homer: Only the penitent man will pass.

by Brendanukkah on Jun 2, 2008 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

and don't forget to tuck and roll to avoid the blade that will chop off your head

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on Jun 2, 2008 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

i thought that said "fuck and roll"

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by justin007000 on Jun 2, 2008 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Reds are stuck so they had to make a move

Thompson hasn’t had enough time in AAA and doesn’t have a track record as a bat misser.

Maloney is a soft throwing lefty with some pitchability.

Bailey is the former hard thrower who is struggling to put together a full pitching arsenal now that his heat has declined..

Bailey gets the first call. He won’t strikeout many so he will have to get groundballs. If he can’t give you 5-6I’s at 2 runs. I figure they will go with Maloney, then Thompson.

Thompson has the most ot gain if he can continue to do well. Sorta think of a more gifted E.Ramirez.

by Johnnypronto on Jun 2, 2008 2:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Since Bailey has been called up........

A very good article on his problems mechanically and why I think he is struggling:

Homer Bailey – Ace or Talented Underachiever?
As sort of a preview to the upcoming articles about the most overrated prospects in baseball, I wanted to look at a pitcher that I tend to think talent evaluators overrate: Homer Bailey. The questions I have about Bailey are more in relation to his overall numbers and his mental make-up than about the quality of his stuff.

When he’s at his best, Bailey’s fastball can be electric. He can consistently pump 95, 96, and 97 mph fastballs by hitters and the pitch can have a sneaky quality to it as it explodes out of Bailey’s hand.

This past year, however, Bailey saw his velocity drop and his control regress. Many blamed his regression on a groin injury he suffered on June 26th and there is evidence that this was indeed the case. However, I have video before Bailey’s groin injury that suggests the explosion Bailey showed on his fastball in 2006 was not there in 2007, or at least not consistently there, nor was there much consistency of his command.

Now, we should understand the biases of using just one game to look at Bailey’s stuff. Sample size is a major issue here and that concern is noted. On the left is Bailey on 6/4/07, while Bailey in the 2006 Future’s Game is on the right. If any of the following clips have their timing thrown off, just refresh the browser.

Do you agree that Bailey’s fastball on the left has less life on it? The mechanics Bailey displays in each clip are pretty similar, but two small differences may account for his drop in velocity:

1. Arm Action – the clips are synchronized to release:

I prefer Bailey’s arm action in 06 because he has a better scap load, an overall smoother arm action, and a cleaner elbow rotation into release. The scap load helps a pitcher in terms of velocity by increasing arm speed, while an arm action that is smoother overall without a loss in momentum is important for both velocity and injury prevention. Bailey does have a shorter arm action in 2007, but Bailey’s arm in 06 covers more distance in roughly the same amount of time than his arm in 07

2. Finish/Extension/Upper Body Tilt – the clips are again synchronized to release:

See how the 06 version is more out in front, has the better upper body tilt, and therefore more extension? By achieving excellent extension, and combined with his incredibly long arms, Bailey is releasing the ball a little closer to home plate than most other pitchers are able to and because of this, as well as a more aggressive finish, Bailey’s fastball becomes more explosive and jumps on the hitter much more quickly.

Bailey also has a plus curveball of the power variety in that the bottom drops out as it approaches the batter. Again, when Bailey gets excellent extension, it helps his off-speed stuff play up as well. His change-up is mostly a show-me pitch right now, but it is slowly improving to average quality.

For a guy with such electric stuff, Bailey’s overall numbers don’t capture that completely. The low amount of hits is a positive, and the K% of 27 in both 05 and 06 is also very good, but I think his K% should be higher given how good his stuff is. In addition, his K% was just 22.1 last year. His control and command improved dramatically in 2006, but regressed this past year. Bailey has also had a BB% of less than 10 at just one minor league level over his career. I do realize he was injured for a chunk of last year, but his numbers were not as impressive as they should have been considering the quality of his stuff.

Mental Make-Up

I normally wouldn’t maket too big a deal about a pitcher’s mental make-up. I view it as a plus or minus but I would like see actual talent and results before using reports on a player’s mental make-up to draw opinions about a prospect. My opinion is that reports on the make-up of a player are way too subjective of a way to judge a player because nobody can get inside the head of a player to get a feel for the exact thought processes of that player.

But this report from Baseball America’s Scout’s View, given before the 2007 season, gives me some pause:

“I think he out thinks himself sometimes. His stuff is so overpowering . . . when I saw him the last time, he started just about every hitter out with curveballs. He’d get behind guys 2-0, 3-0—guys that are hitting eighth in the lineup—and you kind of think to yourself, ‘Why isn’t this guy just going right after these guys and do it?

He might have better stuff, but if there’s one guy to be wary of in terms of will stuff exceed performance, I think this is a guy who might do it.”

With all that being said, making the case for Bailey is rather simple. He is a tall, athletic pitcher with long arms and has the ability to generate tremendous arm speed. When he is on his game, he has electric stuff. There are some rough edges, but nothing that can’t be smoothed out.

Future Outlook
Bailey is a still a terrific prospect. Even with his flaws, we should still point out how young he is at 21 (turning 22 in May). However, based on consistency and performance issues, to go along with questions of how well he can “pitch” and not just “throw”, we should ask ourselves just how good we think Bailey will be. The potential to be a #1 starter is there, but he has much to do before reaching that level. He could easily settle in as a dominating at times, but inconsistent #3 starter, which I view as much more likely than reaching his #1 starter upside.

This was written last April. I think this probably explains Homer’s problems. The fact is, either the Reds can’t help him fix it or he doesn’t care to fix it. He has further regressed this season.

by Johnnypronto on Jun 2, 2008 4:17 AM EDT reply actions  

where did you steal this from?

please provide the author and a link so we can see the original source

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 2, 2008 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Google

shows it’s from Baseball Intellect, and is written by one Alex Eisenberg.

Definitely go to the real link. He’s got video there to illustrate his points.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 2, 2008 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

The part about the change in his mechanics, anyway.

Dunno about this bit:

"I think he out thinks himself sometimes. His stuff is so overpowering . . . when I saw him the last time, he started just about every hitter out with curveballs. He’d get behind guys 2-0, 3-0—guys that are hitting eighth in the lineup—and you kind of think to yourself, ‘Why isn’t this guy just going right after these guys and do it?

Um…could it be because they told him he needed to work on his curveball?

Maybe he’s pouting at being left in Louisville while the other kids got to go to Cincinnati. Maybe he needs an MRI. Or…maybe he’s just concentrating on all the other things they’ve doubtless told him he needs to learn to succeed in the big league level: fielding his position, holding runners on, developing his secondary pitches, etc.

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by BubbaFan on Jun 2, 2008 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bailey's first 2008 start

Hopefully, Baker tells him before the game to throw whatever pitch Bako asks for.

by rojosoto on Jun 2, 2008 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's just time

I don’t know that it’s going to work out. I wish he was pitching better in the minors. But, I just don’t think he’s going to gain anything staying down there. It’s time to put Homer on a track where he does or doesn’t prove himself. We have to be patient, but I just think this has to be done.

by orangeandbrown on Jun 2, 2008 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Death Pool

Who had Bo Diddley?

When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.

by chandrathan on Jun 2, 2008 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

no way did he die?

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 2, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

alan, brian b's wife and red menace

brian b… your wife is absolutely owning this league

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on Jun 2, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

she doesn't have me on her list, does she?

cause I kinda feel the sniffles coming on. She’s the angel of death!

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by Slyde on Jun 2, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

They need to fish or cut bait with Bailey.

If the guy comes up and stinks, they can send him back down and try Maloney or Thompson. Or if he’s no better than Fogg and they don’t want to bring up another AAA guy, they can give Homer a few starts until Fogg comes off the DL (I realize this is baseball suicide, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they did this) and then send Homer back down.

If Homer is a head case, it’s because this organization does not know how to develop pitching, and he’s another victim. He might have that sense of entitlement that a lot of prospects have, but he came by it honestly. Anyone who read anything about the Reds the last couple of years heard all about how Homer would be the savior of the rotation and blah blah blah.

Taking a guy with a 95 mph fastball and telling him to work on his curve is one thing, but pushing him to work on his curve to the point that he stops being effective is another.

Phone's ringing, Dude.

by rjdio on Jun 2, 2008 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

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