Rose, the Reds and Racism
On the recent Why is Cincinnati So Racist post, the subject was raised of Pete Rose having closer friendships with the black and hispanic players than with the white players in the 60's.
It's true that he did. The following comes from the book Crosley Field by Rhodes and Erardi.
Rose loved (Frank) Robinson and his buddy, Vada Pinson, because the black fielders befriended him when the white players wouldn't; they were upset that Rose had taken (Don) Blasingame's job. Rose splashed on their brand of cologne, wore his baseball pants long and tight like them, warmed up with them on the field before the game. The Reds' front office told Rose to stop hanging around the blacks. "It's bad for your image," he was told. Rose ignored the advice, just as he ignored it when manager Fred Hutchinson passed along the same message from above. Johnny Temple said Hutchinson told him in 1964 to make sure of two things: that Rose didn't hang around with the black players and that Rose learned how to use a knife and fork when he ate.
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I know I saw something on TV last year about Rose befriending the black players. Might’ve been the Ken Burns’ documentary.
by ken on
May 10, 2008 12:10 PM EDT
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No
I think he was befriending jazz-playing Civil War veterans.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
by Slyde on
May 10, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
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Can we get a mirror over here????
Reading the “regular” RedReporter contributors rant about racism is akin to listening to a dissertation by Bill Clinton about marital fidelity. I just don’t know which one to pick between those two if I am choosing the one that is more disinegnuous. It’s easy to see which ones are more smug, self-righteous and filled withn their own “importance”.
I’m mostly a lurker around here—but I laughed out loud when I read comments like this:
It seems like there are too many people who want to take the easy way out rather than challenge themselves to think a little further. But I guess that’s the general basis for any kind of ignorance.
You can’t believe the snide shit I hear from some of our ‘friends’
....and hundreds more like them coming from the same small handful of people who have seen to it that they run away posters in this very site—for the crime of posting opinions that were different from their own.
Nevermind that the Michael’s or NEILYNG’s of the world were right about what they offered about Bowden, Danny Graves, “the trade” and countless other topics. Those people got banned from this site. O’ they were relegated to the “back of the RedReporter bus” before that happened, but it happened all the same.
Would you knock a man down if you don’t like the cut of his clothes?
Could you put a man away if you don’t want to hear what he knows?
Well it’s happening right here.
Welcome to RedReporter.
by Hudepohl on
May 10, 2008 8:53 PM EDT
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I don't think that's it at all.
Like you, I was mostly a lurker around here for the Michael and NEILYNG days. I think the majority of the community here would agree (and if they don’t, correct me) that the problem with those posters weren’t WHAT they were posting about, but HOW they would post it. There are plenty of people here who disagree on a variety of issues, and there are discussions that go back and forth on those issues. Those aren’t hard to find on this site. What you WON’T find on this site are name-calling contests, personal attacks, and “shouting matches”, and I think that this is why a lot of people like this site. This is also the reason why idiots like Michael and NEILYNG got the boot.
I honestly think that people can come onto this site with any opinion about any Reds related topic they want to, and find a place to discuss it. However, when they present an argument and someone else offers a good counterargument, and they have to resort to personal attacks (on the poster themselves, like NEILYNG, or on the posters on the site on the whole, like what you’re doing), that isn’t cool. If you want to have an argument about why Michael and NEILYNG were right, be my guest, just expect to hear a counterargument. And if you handle it in the same way they did, you can be pretty sure you’ll see the same fate.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on
May 10, 2008 9:39 PM EDT
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What isn't cool (and my hope is you see this being discussed with great civility)
What isn’t cool is to state an opinion and then have a bunch of folks gang up—see the response to most any criticism of Dunn around here.
Just tomight I was taken to task by a guy about a comment I made about Dunn’s squiggler where he swung and nearly missed the ball so dramatically but ended up hitting what amounted to a bunt. yet that same situtaion unfolded with Patterson and a guy quickly stated he hoped Patterson wasn’t awarded a hit on his ball.
Isn’t that being extremely disengenuous???
Welcome to RedReporter.
by Hudepohl on
May 10, 2008 10:36 PM EDT
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why use one person's response
To paint the entire site? If you have a problem with a particular poster, address your comments to him. We are far from monolithic here.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on
May 10, 2008 10:46 PM EDT
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him?
that’s sexist!
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on
May 10, 2008 10:47 PM EDT
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Just my opinion
But I think the reason why people “gang up on you” as you put it, is because on virtually every one of your posts you challenge the entire community with a “welcome to RedReporter” kind of crack. You’re not going to get anyone to listen to you by insulting them all the time, ask Michael and NEILYNG.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on
May 10, 2008 10:48 PM EDT
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Yep.
At least it wasn't Grady Little.
by Paul Householder on
May 10, 2008 11:19 PM EDT
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The problem...
Is that you were being sanctimonious about somehow being above all of the bias, yet you were displaying bias towards Dunn.
If you want to have a civil discussion around here and not get ganged up on, don’t make generalizations about the people with whom you’re trying to have a discussion, and don’t act as if you are holier than them.
Makes me think you think we cling to our religion, xenophobia and guns around here.
At least it wasn't Grady Little.
by Paul Householder on
May 10, 2008 11:16 PM EDT
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We do!
Because we’re bitter.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on
May 10, 2008 11:19 PM EDT
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After all of the losing seasons...
Who wouldn’t be?
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by Paul Householder on
May 10, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
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double rec'd
It was a lot more than just posting “unpopular” opinions. There was crap like impostering (pretending to be various RR posters on other forums, causing trouble between sites). That’s pure trollery, and deserves banning.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on
May 10, 2008 10:44 PM EDT
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there a lot of Reds blogs out there..if you don't enjoy RR, try another
I enjoy this community because there is such diversity in the opinions and subjects that arise here. Not everyone here is a sabremetricion. I ain’t. Not everyone who participates here loves Dunn – Zach doesn’t but no one has called him out or banned him because he’s in the minority on this point. The only folks banned are the ones who don’t want to engage fairly in discussion or humor. They are the ones who, for whatever reason, are constantly and illogically disruptive of the threads and conversations that are in play.
I offered real life experience in my comments regarding race in Cincinnati and elsewhere. And it certainly is the truth when I posted “You can’t believe the snide shit I hear from some of our ‘friends’. That sir, was in no way disingenuous.
When I 1st came on board at this site I was banned 3 times until I figured out how more objectively post my opinions. And I also learned to respect the opinions of other posters even though I may have thought them wrong. All blogs have a core community and that can lead to the creation of a somewhat specific point of view. I don’t see how a shared point of view is being disingenuous. However bitter incrimination and generalizations like those that you offer certainly could be classified as genuine sour grapes.
I am no CoPat fan, but I certainly don’t want to see him fail. But it is Okay that I can’t help but harrumph around a bit because he does fail so often.
Lighten Up – maybe try a new handle…. 
Eeyore has more fun than a Reds fan.
by Madville on
May 10, 2008 11:20 PM EDT
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'ville
what kind of store is it you are the gm of?
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by chandrathan on
May 10, 2008 11:23 PM EDT
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Furniture.
Fine antiques and art, I believe.
If I lived in Cincinnati, I would certainly visit.
At least it wasn't Grady Little.
by Paul Householder on
May 10, 2008 11:24 PM EDT
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where is it?
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by chandrathan on
May 10, 2008 11:25 PM EDT
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Here.
http://www.mwillisfineartdesign.com/
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by Paul Householder on
May 10, 2008 11:27 PM EDT
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thank you
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on
May 10, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
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N'prob. I hear...
There’s a special RedReporter discount…
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by Paul Householder on
May 10, 2008 11:30 PM EDT
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Not any more
He said he closed the retail part of his business. He’s now working for another store.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on
May 10, 2008 11:36 PM EDT
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Yes BuubsFan is correct - My retail store is closed
However the business continues onward. I procure and sell Fine Art, European and Chinese antiques, eclectic pieces from Peru and other 3rd world countrys…plus any and all domestic furniture lines of merit.
And I offer design services as well.
Clarification; why I closed the retail part of my biz – I was offered a position with the largest Henredon – Drexel Heritage (Furniture manufacturers) Showrooms in the country (located right here in Cincinnati) as General Manager. As the economy sucks and I’m not getting any younger I took the job and tried to keep my store open at the same time BUT it was more than I could do and do well. So the store part is closed. I guess I should , when I get a free day, change the content of the website…HOWEVER – Anyone wishing to purchase nice quality to high end home furnishings only need to identify themselves via their RR identity and you can STILL get an extra 15% off for being a Red Reporter.
I am also the official red Reporter liaison to the gay design community. Where, by the way there are a lot of Reds fans. Especially my friend Cal who’s still in love with Paul O’Neill. We used occasionally go to some games years ago and Cal would insist that we sit in RF so he could drool over Paul.
Eeyore has more fun than a Reds fan.
by Madville on
May 11, 2008 12:41 PM EDT
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Ah, yes
The joys of outfield seats.
1) They’re cheap.
2) You get to check out the outfielders’ butts.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on
May 11, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
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Nuxhall didn’t call O’Neill “Big” for nothing.
by Pops Daniels on
May 11, 2008 5:14 PM EDT
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Rec'd.
At least it wasn't Grady Little.
by Paul Householder on
May 10, 2008 11:25 PM EDT
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rec'd from me too
very good post
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on
May 10, 2008 11:27 PM EDT
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Nice song by Stephen Stills, by the way.
Are you a fan of Neil Young too?
At least it wasn't Grady Little.
by Paul Householder on
May 11, 2008 12:35 AM EDT
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ahhhh man
Rust Never Sleeps its tougher than 10 sets of brass knuckles.
If you don't get a good-night kiss, you get Kafka dreams.
by Charlie Scrabbles on
May 11, 2008 12:38 AM EDT
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I didn't pick up on that before. Nice catch.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on
May 11, 2008 12:54 AM EDT
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Sounded familiar...
Sort of like the taste/smell of your burps after eating a durian.
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by Paul Householder on
May 11, 2008 1:01 AM EDT
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Durian
They say it has the taste of all fruits put together, and the smell of the sea when the tide goes out.
I never got past the smell, which has been less poetically described as resembling pig shit, dirty gym socks, vomit, skunk spray, and raw sewage.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on
May 11, 2008 1:07 AM EDT
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All quite apt descriptions.
Having eaten it (once or twice, only out of politeness), I think that it pretty much smells like rotting garbage that contains meat products (i.e., some sort of decaying protein/fat), with a hint of spring onion. It is sweet and creamy also. The texture is close to mango. The burps are truly nasty.
The fruit itself is covered with really pointy pencil-sharp spikes. It grows in tall trees, and if it falls on you (because it weighs about 10 pounds), it will ruin your entire day.
What posessed anyone to eat it, much less even go near something like that, which screams, basically, “Don’t touch me!” is still a mystery to me, but desperation is likely the mother of that.
At least it wasn't Grady Little.
by Paul Householder on
May 11, 2008 1:16 AM EDT
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"the trade"
how were they right about the trade? I really don’t remember who thought what about that, other than I did not like it then and don’t like it now.
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
by Caleb on
May 10, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
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What I recall reading about the trade
I recall well thought out responses that stated that Kearns and Lopez were going to get very expensive, that they were not as good as many Reds fans had portrayed, and that the best addition might have been Thompson.
Now Thompson is doing great things in AA and all the other thoughts have become painfully true.
by Hudepohl on
May 10, 2008 10:39 PM EDT
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so far the trade
has not helped the Reds at all. maybe they were going to get more expensive but I really think the Reds could have received better value had they not panicked and rushed to make a deal. Hopefully Thompson will be a contributor if/when he gets to the Reds. But I think they clearly over paid for damaged goods.
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
by Caleb on
May 10, 2008 11:04 PM EDT
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That's a reasonable assessment
NEILYNG’s rants were far more inflammatory. I tried to bring up some of his (many) post-trade diaries, but they’ve been deleted. I guess there’s no way of knowing whose version of history is more accurate.
by Red Menace on
May 11, 2008 1:15 AM EDT
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ive only been around for about a year now
so i must have missed this NEILYNG character. i remember when i first found the site i started reading the wiki and came across his page. it was mostly self-indulgent kinda stuff, like claiming he was the true creator of RedReporter and his dad invented toaster struedel and stuff like that. i feel like i missed something real.
If you don't get a good-night kiss, you get Kafka dreams.
by Charlie Scrabbles on
May 11, 2008 1:22 AM EDT
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http://redreporter.wikidot.com/neilyng-bshakey-castellini
here it is. sounds like a swell enough guy.
If you don't get a good-night kiss, you get Kafka dreams.
by Charlie Scrabbles on
May 11, 2008 1:27 AM EDT
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it was pretty typical internet trollery
He had been banned by most of the Reds blogosphere by the time he showed up here. He posted under numerous names and had a diary on the Trade about every other day for the month thereafter. At some point he took his act to other blogs and the enquirer comments. I think he claimed to be JD or something at some point.
It’s impossible to rally around his banishment as a sign of cliquishness. Bans were invented for people like that. Incidently Madville showed up right around that time. His early bans were I think because people thought he was neilyng sneaking back in.
And if you ever see jokes about “eating a peach” or “building a bridge” it’s because those were his favorite kissoffs.
by Red Menace on
May 11, 2008 1:32 AM EDT
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Yeah
I think he was trying to start a war between RR and other sites. He claimed to be JD at Trent’s blog. He also claimed Ash was his girlfriend, and posted using the screen names and “style” of many other Red Reporters. He did the same thing at several other SB Nation blogs.
(If you found when we switched over that your screen name was registered at other SB Nation blogs, but you never registered there, it was probably him, pretending to be you.)
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on
May 11, 2008 7:29 AM EDT
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The victor gets to write the history.
Eeyore has more fun than a Reds fan.
by Madville on
May 11, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
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I was right about the trade
That is woudln’t make a real difference for either side. I guess you can say “Washington got the best of the reds” but Lopez and Kearns still aren’t doing so hot in that new park…
Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!
by Zach K on
May 12, 2008 7:37 AM EDT
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Today
Washington would probably pay Lopez’s contract if you would take him off their hands. He is a clubhouse cancer.
Kearns is hitting with no power and his average is around Dunn’s, which means very low.
Bray has been hurt his whole time as a Red—but that was no one’s fault
Majewski was probably damaged goods—but again that just proved that Bowden was a snake something that Michael and Neil stressed all along.
Thompson has incredible stats in Chattanooga:
Player W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H ER SO WHIP
DT 2 1 1.45 7 7 0 0 0 43.1 30 7 44 0.85
by Hudepohl on
May 10, 2008 11:44 PM EDT
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So let me "take you to task" again.
And try to strip away at least some of the veneer of superiority over us, the unwashed “gang” of Red Reporter, since you seem a bit unwilling to answer my questions.
1. If you believe that the “gang” at Red Reporter displays bias with respect to Corey Patterson, the Trade, Scott Hatteberg, Adam Dunn and Griffey, then was there bias inherent in your remark regarding Dunn and his dribbling single?
2. Are you yourself perhaps stereotyping when you make generalizations about what the “gang” at Red Reporter thinks about various issues? Does that make you just as “bad” as the rest of “us”?
At least it wasn't Grady Little.
by Paul Householder on
May 10, 2008 11:51 PM EDT
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Oh, and...
3. If you are wrong about something (such as, for example, the entire “gang” rooting against Corey Patterson and Hatteberg), would you admit it and say you’re sorry for generalizing?
At least it wasn't Grady Little.
by Paul Householder on
May 11, 2008 12:09 AM EDT
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this guy just won't stick around for his beating
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on
May 11, 2008 12:14 AM EDT
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You mean, of course...
His “bonk, bonk on the head.”
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by Paul Householder on
May 11, 2008 12:31 AM EDT
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i guess i got here a few minutes too late
bummer. ive got insomnia and could use something to do.
If you don't get a good-night kiss, you get Kafka dreams.
by Charlie Scrabbles on
May 11, 2008 12:31 AM EDT
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me too dude
me too
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on
May 11, 2008 12:37 AM EDT
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'sup 'than?
did you see LeBron do his thang tonight?
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by Charlie Scrabbles on
May 11, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
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i saw the last ten minutes of the 4th quarter
he apparently still didn’t shoot well, but at least they won!
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on
May 11, 2008 12:40 AM EDT
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I should go to bed but I have been trying to catch up with all the action here
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on
May 11, 2008 12:41 AM EDT
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The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep…
At least it wasn't Grady Little.
by Paul Householder on
May 11, 2008 12:42 AM EDT
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We should have a poetry night here some time
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on
May 11, 2008 12:45 AM EDT
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there once was a man from nantucket
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on
May 11, 2008 12:46 AM EDT
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It must be some combination...
Of lack of sleep and pistols at ten paces with Mr. Hudepohl, but that was really funny.
At least it wasn't Grady Little.
by Paul Householder on
May 11, 2008 12:47 AM EDT
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Perhaps...
A game thread in which posts must be some form of poetry (limericks included, of course).
At least it wasn't Grady Little.
by Paul Householder on
May 11, 2008 12:54 AM EDT
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you'll have a lot of reading to do then
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on
May 11, 2008 12:42 AM EDT
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Yeah, I made it through all the stuff on race
and then hit the random fanposts about Bowden and Benzinger and Oniell
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on
May 11, 2008 12:46 AM EDT
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lots to digest
did you read the game thread?
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

