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Matt Maloney
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The farm is quite a bit less exciting without Jay Bruce, but there are still some important possible future parts down there, including a host of power infielders, three starting pitchers, a couple on-base specialists and quite a few relievers having excellent strikeout years. After this latest flurry of moves, what/who are you most excited about in the farm system?

Triple-A: The Bats finished a 10-game road trip with a 6-3 win over Columbus as Matt Maloney earned the win. Maloney allowed 2 runs in 7 innings, and Danny Herrera cleaned up after Todd Coffey and finished the game off in the ninth for his third save of the year. Herrera has been lights-out since he came to Louisville. The Bats have our three best starting pitching prospects and one of our best relievers, but there's pretty much nothing exciting offensively left in Louisville. UP NEXT: The Bats return home tonight at 7.

Tonys Gutierrez
Gutierrez

Double-A: Tonys Gutierrez went 2 for 3 with a double and a homer to lead Chattanooga to the 4-2 win. Chris Valaika's only hit was a 2-run single that put the Lookouts ahead in the sixth. Pedro Viola faced 7 batters and struck out 5 for the save. Gutierrez is still in the top 4 in the Southern League in OBP (.456) and BA (.337) and top 10 in OPS (.920). UP NEXT: Game 5 vs. Montgomery, 7:15 tonight.

High A: Enerio Del Rosario got smacked around in his debut for Sarasota as the Reds lost 5-1. Del Rosario gave up 9 hits in his 4 innings. His Low A ERA (1.59) is better than his High A ERA (11.25). The hitters managed just 5 singles, and Ramon Geronimo struck out the side in the ninth. Nice third of a season for Geronimo: 23IP, 29K(!), 5BB(!), 2R(!). UP NEXT: Clearwater at Sarasota, 7 tonight.

Low A: Devin Mesoraco was 3 for 4 and Brandon Waring had 2 doubles but Dayton managed little else in an 8-3 loss. Mesoraco's up to a .283 batting average. UP NEXT: Game 3 at Ft. Wayne, 7 tonight.

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A month ago I would have said Chris Valaika

but he’s been horrible in Chattanooga. I think I got swept away in a small sample size. I guess now I’m most excited about Daryl Thompson. He doesn’t have the pedigree of Homer, but he’s moving in the right direction at least. It’s really hard to be excited about Homer at this point considering the year he’s having and his reluctance to talk about it.

Maybe if Mesoraco keeps raking for a month or two I’ll get interested in him, and there’s always Todd Frazier, who’s probably the best hitter left in the system but has been without a home on the field since his promotion to Sarasota.

There’s really no wrong answer to the question, unless your answer is Todd Coffey.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 30, 2008 3:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Valaika struggled when he was promoted to Sarasota last year, too.

I think he might just be a guy who takes a bit of time to adjust.

by Geki on May 30, 2008 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

If lovin' Todd Coffey is wrong

then I don’t want to be right.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 30, 2008 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 30, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good question!

I still like Valaika and Justin Turner, and think they need more time before we give up on them. I also like Cumberland and Henry, although they have flip-flopped in one being hot while the other is cold and vice-versa. I like the improvement I’ve seen in Sean Watson and hope he has turned a corner. I’m still hoping Danny Dorn continues to crescendo in his hitting. Mesoraco has gotten my attention and he is about it at Dayton, right now. Heisey had my attention but he has slumped lately. Frazier has been up-and-down in hitting since his promotion. I really like what I’m seeing from Herrera at AAA. And, I still like Maloney, Thompson and Bailey. Honestly, I don’t have ONE prospect that I’m pumped about but feel pretty good about several.

by nighthawk32 on May 30, 2008 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't expect too much out of Herrera

But it’s been a really nice surprise to see that he’s been having such a solid season. If he can eventually grow to be a solid contributer in the bullpen, he would be the piece that could tip the Volquez-Hamilton trade into a clear win for us. Of course, Hamilton could keep being the next Mickey Mantle, which would make things tougher.

by Brendanukkah on May 30, 2008 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

what is the deal with Gutierrez?

is the S silent, or what? this dude looks like an on-base machine, but he’ll be 25 in august. i cant really find much on him, but it looks like he’s probably been hurt a few times over the years. anyone have more info on him? is this guy legit or is this little spate of avoiding outs a fluke?

If you don't get a good-night kiss, you get Kafka dreams.

by Charlie Scrabbles on May 30, 2008 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

This is his fifth straight year with an OBP over .395.

His problem is that he’s never shown any power and he’s old enough now that he’s very unlikely to develop it. He might have a future as a Scott Hatteberg type, but generally 1Bs old for their league who don’t show any power aren’t likely to get a lot of hype. Even with his .452 OBP and .331 average this year, he’s only slugging .432.

by Geki on May 30, 2008 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

it seems like he could definately be a valuable major leaguer

how is his defense? if his glove is above average, an .880 OPS looks pretty damn appealing even for a 1B. and thanks for the extended farm report below. good work!

If you don't get a good-night kiss, you get Kafka dreams.

by Charlie Scrabbles on May 30, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure on his defense.

But I don’t think he’s capable of an .880 OPS in the majors, either. He’ll be a good on-base guy, not a .450 on-base guy, I would guess.

by Geki on May 30, 2008 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Roenicke, Frazier

I love Roenicke’s stuff, and even if he can’t completely get his control together, I think he’s got the ability to be a dominant force in the pen. Gotta love those power arms, and he’s definitely a power arm.

I’m also a huge fan of Frazier’s bat. He has a solid eye and good power, and although he strikes out too much and doesn’t have a true position, I think he’s gonna rake. I’m guessing he eventually ends up in the outfield for us, putting up consistent .850+ OPS numbers in left.

The rest of the prospects in the farm don’t do a ton for me. There are definitely some solid major leaguers left, but I think all our star potential is pretty much in the majors by now, other than Homer—and as I’ve expressed in the past, I think he’s gonna be an irritatingly inconsistent force throughout his career, with periods of absolute dominance and periods of no control and a whole bunch of runs being scored on him. It’ll all even out to him being a flashy but more or less average pitcher.

Thompson hasn’t convinced me that this is anything more than a hot streak yet. His minor league history and his scouting reports just don’t support these kinds of results. I think he can be a solid major league starter, but I’d be surprised if he was a front of the rotation guy.

I’m still not sure what to think on Stubbs, but I’m certainly not impressed. His bat might play well enough to make him a solid starting CF in the majors, but it’s just as likely in my eyes that he’s relegated to back-up duty due to his inability to make consistent contact or hit for the power that he supposedly had. At least he can take a walk.

Maloney is a guy that I don’t think has much resembling a major league future. His control and stuff are both mediocre, and if he gets by as a major league starter, it’s only because he’s left-handed and not because he’s actually particularly good. He could be a decent reliever though, if that added a couple MPH to his fastball.

Mesoraco’s definitely full of potential, but it’s still too early to get excited about him. But I’m definitely hopeful and intrigued on that front, as he’s really been knocking the cover off the ball since his slow start and all the reports on his defense are great. It’d be nice to have a real catcher who can both hit and field, instead of the ones we have now who can do either one or neither.

Waring’s gonna have to prove himself to me at higher levels before I get very high on him. He has prodigious power, but he strikes out at a ridiculous rate and doesn’t walk much.

Valaika and Turner are pretty much where they’ve been since we’ve had them for me. Should be solid major leaguers, not sure either will be somebody special but I think they’ll at least be able to hit some.

Travis Wood has had a resurgence of sorts this year. I’d like to see him do it in AA as this is his second time through the pitcher-friendly FSL, but it’s nice that he’s healthy and striking some guys out again. He just turned 21 in February, so he still has plenty of time.

We seem to have some potential relievers down in the minors as well, although we’ve seen this before in Medlock, Shafer, Guevara, etc. Herrera is interesting if only because he’s so unique, but I’m not sure his pitching style lends itself to sustained big league success. Viola has had an awful start to the year so far but he’s still flashing some great stuff. Sean Watson continues to give up way too many homers, and his walk rate is way up this year meaning they aren’t solo shots. Jeffords is nasty but I’ll need to see more than 25 innings of respectable control before he sells me on him. Ramon Geronimo has been lights out so far this year and was pretty good last year as well, but he’s 24 and in A-ball, so he needs to show something at higher levels.

by Geki on May 30, 2008 9:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Question

How many Google searches did it take you to write this post?

Good stuff! Thanks for the rundown.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 30, 2008 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

great post

i would add valiquette to the list of relievers that have been impressive this year. He’s put up 34 strikeouts in 28 innings, and i’d like to see what he’ll do in sarasota. he’s only 21, so he’s another guy to look at.

wood could afford to get his walks down, but overall he’s having a terrific year. I hope his first start in chattanooga is indicative of the rest of his season there.

i hope i didnt sound too dismissive of valaika. all i meant was that i think i trumpeted him as the best prospect left after bailey and bruce a little too much early this year. i hope that you’re right and he gets it going before too long, because if he can adjust to the Southern League the way he adjusted to the Florida State League, he’ll own.

waring doesnt draw a lot of walks, but he’s still up near 50 percent TTO. He’s more of a two-true-outcomes kind of guy. i think it’ll be pretty hard for him to slug at higher levels with apparently such a large hole in his swing, but right now he’s one of our top 3 or 4 power guys.

I’d like to know what happened to the light-tower power drew stubbs was supposed to have, but i’ve been impressed by his on-base prowess. i think if he can make that his calling card and still be the best defensive center fielder in the game, he could be a pretty good piece to the puzzle. Then again, maybe he strikes out way too much to ever be a big on-base threat.

I had high expectations for roenicke coming into the season, which makes his slow start really disappointing for me. He’s been much better in his last 10 games, though, and i hope to see him up with louisville soon and maybe with the reds by the extended-roster period. He’ll be 26 in August.

And one guy no one has mentioned yet is Juan Francisco. His power has been a little disappointing, but he’s batting .300 and overall justifying his No. 8 spot in the BA rankings. His arm and power might make him the permanent 3B of the future over Frazier and Waring. His walk rate is ridiculous - 5 in 208 PA this year - but that seems like a theme among our best hitting prospects. I think there’s something going on organizationally. These guys aren’t being taught to get on base.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 30, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Devin Mesoraco

A studly young catcher would certainly be a nice piece for the puzzle.

Also Maloney and Thompson are peaking excitement for me. Homer, in my mind, really has to prove to me he isn’t the next Matt Belisle. But I am really hoping the kid gets it together in the next year or two.

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on May 30, 2008 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Homer is still the best pitcher in the system at this point

I realize that Maloney and Thompson are sort of new entities in the higher part of the system and have had some solid success recently while Homer has struggled in his last few starts. But Bailey is still the pitcher with the best body of work.

I sort of agree with your Belisle comparison, but in a different way. Like Belisle, Bailey has proven he can strikeout major leaguers. Maloney and Thompson haven’t yet. Thompson hasn’t even had a sustained period of success at AAA. Obviously, we don’t Homer’s ceiling to be Belisle-like, but he was already there at 21, which isn’t bad.

This doesn’t mean that I’m not a little concerned about Bailey or that I’m down on Thompson by any means, but right now Homer is still the most likely to succeed of the group.

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by Man Mountain on May 30, 2008 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

and...

Kevin Barker really impressed me as to how hard he hit every ball Monday night in Columbus. I realize he isn’t a prospect but the ball was jumping off his bat.

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on May 30, 2008 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Slyde,

this is a question probably best directed towards you.

Is there a BABIP+ stat?

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on May 30, 2008 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

holy shit

poblano, a political blogger who has done the very best primary predictions this campaign season (based mostly on demographics and previous results and not polling data) came out from anonymity today. Turns out he’s Nate Silver from Baseball Prospectus. My mind is blown.

Both baseball and politics are data-driven industries. But a lot of the time, that data might be used badly. In baseball, that may mean looking at a statistic like batting average when things like on-base percentage and slugging percentage are far more correlated with winning ballgames. In politics, that might mean cherry-picking a certain polling result or weaving together a narrative that isn’t supported by the demographic evidence.

Nate Silver is the creator of PECOTA. I am totally blown away that he’s also poblano.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 30, 2008 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

good statistical skills

have all sorts of applications!

That’s what I told myself as I was taking years of econometrics, anyway.

by Gray on May 30, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aaron Crow pitching today in the NCAA regionals

He’s given up 2 hits and no runs through 5. It’s never too early to start thinking about future Farmers!

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on May 30, 2008 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

on tv?

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 30, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.

I stumbled across some scores on ESPN (of all places), and found the GameTracker thing on CSTV. He’s through 6 now, 3 hits.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on May 30, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's over.

Crow threw a shutout, 3 H, 5 BB, 10 K.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on May 30, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good thing it was never about the money

Some blog linked on BBTF ranked the 100 most valuable sports blogs. #1 with a bullet is Deadspin (see Bissinger asplode) at $16mm. The internet money valuations are based on “links, PR, traffic rank, and other factors,” which should be around “10-20 times monthly earnings.”

Several SB Nation sites make the list, but not RR. An investigation of the dental plan sounds in order.

by ken on May 30, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I went to the website they used as a source, and tried RR

We’re worth $202,496, which would be good for 27th on their list. Sounds like someone there screwed up.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on May 30, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah,

i dont know that i so much trust the accuracy of dnscoop.com. that said, i have no idea how they compile their data. As for not being mentioned on the sports blog page, we’re not really one of the system of sports blogs that is defined by deadspin. You have to get a lot of links through them to 1) be noticed and 2) get traffic, and we rarely do.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 30, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

It’s a completely arbitrary rankings system, which gives it little credibility. According to their site:

The estimated value of http://www.redreporter.com is: $202,496

This value is calculated based on several factors shown above, including: Links, Traffic (Alexa), age of the domain, site category, domain keyword popularity, and overall occurrences of the domain name on the web.

So there’s that. As for not being mentioned on the top 100 page, I don’t think it would be as confusing if other SB Nation blogs weren’t on there. They clearly didn’t test all of the SB Nation blogs, and that’s lazy. How are blogs like Bucs Dugout (28), and Niners Nation (60) on there when SB Nation powerhouses like Athletics Nation and Lookout Landing aren’t on the list?

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on May 30, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fail at blockquotes.

That next paragraph should be in there too. Argh.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on May 30, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I noticed that

about the other SBN blogs. Another example is The Good Phight, which is a good blog but with only a phraction of the comments of Beerleaguer, which wasn’t on the list. Comments does not equal traffic, but there must be some correlation between the two when it comes to team blogs.

by ken on May 30, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again, I'd call it error on the part of the "researcher"

Beerleaguer would be on the list, but not above the Good Phight, according to these rankings. The list isn’t a top 100 of anything. It should be renamed “A list of 100 random sports-related Blogs, in order of total worth determined by some arbitrary rating system, with a few errors”.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on May 30, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Some of these blogs were posted after 1978.

by Brendanukkah on May 30, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Face it, Brendan, TCP/IP ruined sports blogdom

There will never be another sports blog like the 1984 Mets/Jets USENET group. It’s all clicks and whistles now.

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by Man Mountain on May 30, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did anyone have Harvey Korman?

"Got a bump on the ole noggin, but otherwise god. And I get a new vehicle probably, w00t!"

by jch24 on May 30, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

you fail at red reporter

When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.

by chandrathan on May 30, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You fail at not sucking

So there.

"Got a bump on the ole noggin, but otherwise god. And I get a new vehicle probably, w00t!"

by jch24 on May 30, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

so I'm not good at sucking?

that must mean i’m awesome!

When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.

by chandrathan on May 30, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

syntax is bad

you shouldn’t get over taxed on alcohol, cigarettes and other vices.

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on May 30, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

ctnyc

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 30, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Maloney's...

....K/W ratio and having only surrendered one home run so far this year. Oh, yes, and the fact he’s doing this at 24, instead of 32.

by tonywf on May 31, 2008 2:47 AM EDT reply actions  

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