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Patterson Optioned!

And the good news keeps rolling!  Hopefully we don't see him back anytime soon. Phillips should provide the decent-to-good right-handed bat we've been sorely needing. (40g, .315, 5hr, 22rbi, 2sb) in Louisville

In other news, AGon is now on the 60 day DL so I imagine he'll be out until August or so at least... not that we *need* him back soon anyway with Janish and Kepp soon to be around.

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It will be 60 days next week.

Gonzalez should be able to come back in June by the rules, though I haven’t heard that he’s even starting running or doing any drills yet.

by rojosoto on May 28, 2008 2:48 PM EDT   0 recs

I work at the stadium

Gonzo has been there in the off weeks taking ground balls and such. I have yet to see him do any hitting. Him and one of the trainers are usually out on the field a couple hours a day. then i assume they go downstairs and hit/weight room

by kcox17 on May 28, 2008 2:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

True

The move simply is not indicative of an early return.

Like I said though, no rush.

by iamwallaman on May 28, 2008 2:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Heady times for a team with a record like ours

Valentin’s cloak of invincibility is truly something special.

by Brendanukkah on May 28, 2008 2:50 PM EDT   0 recs

yeah i thought

javy would be gone… why DFA patterson when javy takes 3 ABs a week? Do we really want to have 3 catchers? And javy wont be hitting from the right side now that phillips is up…or be playing first. I know how much the Cincinnati fans hate patterson (i think because they think he was holding up bruce, which may or may not be true) but wouldn’t javy be a better decision considering the fact that javy can only play one postion and patterson can play 3?

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on May 28, 2008 3:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Please don't misunderstand

I am much happier to see Patterson gone than I would be if they’d cut Valentin. Javy made sense to keep around as a backup first baseman, occasional backup catcher, and a PH. Of course, that made sense for about a day, because now Andy Phillips is up with the team (question: does Brandon Phillips now have to sew a “B.” on his jersey?). He can be the backup first baseman, and he truly is a right-handed hitter, unlike Javy who could stand in either batter’s box.

So yes, Javy’s time is probably limited, as it should be. I’m just kind of impressed that he’s held a career together for as long as he has.

by Brendanukkah on May 28, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

quick question

you think ross gets the start tonight??? or b/c bako went 2-4 you think he gets to hit the lefty?

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on May 28, 2008 3:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

who gives a fuck? Our catchers suck

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 28, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You're a poet.

Rec’d

Dusty's head needs an MRI. Beeeeeeeepppp...

by Paul Householder on May 29, 2008 12:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My money's on Bako

He gets the majority of the starts anyway, plus Ross might still be tuckered out from catching all of Sunday’s game.

On the other hand, Dusty does have a way of benching players after a good performance. I still think Bako is the pick.

by Brendanukkah on May 28, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

arroyo is pitching

and he likes ross

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on May 28, 2008 5:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And Ross it is

This is why I don’t gamble.

by Brendanukkah on May 28, 2008 5:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

re:"B", yes

that’s what they did in the spring.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 28, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No

Andy will have “benign” sewn on his jersey.

by ken on May 28, 2008 4:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

B9

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 28, 2008 4:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Great Day!

"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey

by JJ on May 28, 2008 2:52 PM EDT   0 recs

What next?

Fogg retiers and Affedlt refunds the money we paid him?

Beware the toothpick knows.

by Pilsner73 on May 28, 2008 3:01 PM EDT   0 recs

whats wrong with affeldt?

better than any left hander we had in our bullpen last year?

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on May 28, 2008 3:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah

Really, if you take out last night, Affeldt has been a huge upgrade over Stanton, and at a lot less money.

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by MixFMKyle on May 28, 2008 3:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and hopefully the reds can resign him

i like the reds new bullpen, having bray and affeldt as lefty relievers is fine with me.

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on May 28, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Affeldt's been pretty good

but in his last 15 appearances he has an ERA of 7.59 in 10.2 IP. He’s given up 17 hits, including 3 HRs. On the plus side, he’s still had a good K/BB ratio of 11/3.

Nothing to get worked up about yet, but if he begins to revert back to his ‘03-’06 form (1.6ish WHIP), then he shouldn’t be resigned.

Also, to address your argument below regarding Hopper v. Patterson…

just please please please no norris hopper, at least patterson can hit the ball out of the OF

Based on his numbers last year (.329/.371/.388), Hopper is several orders more valuable offensively than Corey Patterson. Loud outs might make the pink hat crowd swoon, but they’re still outs. More to the point, Hopper - he of the infamous infield single - still had a better slugging % last season than Patterson does this season.*

(Note: I am not a Hopper fan)

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by Man Mountain on May 28, 2008 3:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hopper

Hopper is not an everyday starter but I don’t understand people comparing him to the likes of Patterson.

Beware the toothpick knows.

by Pilsner73 on May 28, 2008 3:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

whoah, whoah, whoah

shortstop is not people.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 28, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Heh.

Rec’d.

Dusty's head needs an MRI. Beeeeeeeepppp...

by Paul Householder on May 29, 2008 12:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Affedlt

Just seems to get worse each appearance.

Beware the toothpick knows.

by Pilsner73 on May 28, 2008 4:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

kinda like every other lefty we've had recently

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 28, 2008 4:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

jerry narron's a lefty?

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 28, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 28, 2008 4:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes when doing his Calligraphy

Beware the toothpick knows.

by Pilsner73 on May 28, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Here are his gamelogs this season

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=affelje01&t=p

I reiterate, he’s been fine, but it’s been 10 appearance since his last hitless inning of work.

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by Man Mountain on May 28, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok I'll be patient

But my original point was he was signed for starter type money. (Don’t even start on how bad the Stanton contract was, I know!)

Beware the toothpick knows.

by Pilsner73 on May 28, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Effects on the lineup?

Okay, tonight we face a lefty. We now have Andy Phillips who mostly plays 1st and 3rd. However, Votto hits lefties well. Does Freel start at 3rd, since he is hitting well against lefties? Or, does Phillips start at 1st or 3rd? Or…..does EE get the start, even though he is really struggling? It will be interesting to see how all this plays out tonight. :)

by nighthawk32 on May 28, 2008 3:01 PM EDT   0 recs

Hmm Poor Dusty

He lost his boy. I’m sure as soon as he starts hitting he will be back.

Can Corey refuse the assignment? I think if he does, he can get a release but doesn’t get his money.

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by MixFMKyle on May 28, 2008 3:02 PM EDT   0 recs

You just know..

If he does go down and plays well Dusty will do anything to get him back up here.

Beware the toothpick knows.

by Pilsner73 on May 28, 2008 3:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i dunno

he doesnt need corey now that he has jay

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 28, 2008 3:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jay Bruce

Rhymes with moose. That’s a Canadian mnemonic device.

by Brendanukkah on May 28, 2008 3:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

mnemonic?

Don’t you mean a moose is a Canadian, um….you know…..lonelytime device?

"Got a bump on the ole noggin, but otherwise god. And I get a new vehicle probably, w00t!"

by jch24 on May 28, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

moose and squirrel

when he and Freel are in the same line up

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on May 28, 2008 11:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Today is officially VCF Day

Victory in center field, and an end to the hostilities.

by Brendanukkah on May 28, 2008 3:10 PM EDT   1 recs

kiss a gm!

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 28, 2008 3:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

timely.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 28, 2008 3:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

nice

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on May 28, 2008 11:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Does being on the 60-Day DL

Allow for a longer minor league rehab assignment than the 15-day DL? It would be nice to see everyone back with these 13 position:

OF – Bruce, Dunn, Freel, Griffey
INF – Hairston, BP, Kepp, A-Gon, Edwin, Votto
C – Ross and either Javy or Bako.

Those are our best 13 once everyone is healthy. And yes, I rather have Hairston over Norris Hopper. He can play 7 positions to Norris’ 3, and can hit the ball out of the infield.

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by MixFMKyle on May 28, 2008 3:18 PM EDT   0 recs

I guess my math was bad

Thats only 12. So I guess you could leave one of Andy Phillips, Javy Valentin, Norris Hopper, or Corey Patterson or Janish. I imagine the Reds would want Janish playing at AAA.

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by MixFMKyle on May 28, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

just please please please

no norris hopper, at least patterson can hit the ball out of the OF

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on May 28, 2008 3:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You can't send Rusty Son Down !

These slow white boys better not drop any balls…..........
Rusty is going to make somebody pay for this…...
As soon as he has a 3 for 4 day Rusty will want
him back…..........................

by dacub on May 28, 2008 3:36 PM EDT   0 recs

The Wonderful World of Jockety.

It feels good to say that without sarcasm.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on May 28, 2008 3:45 PM EDT   0 recs

I wonder if the boos last night had any part in the decision

It couldn’t have been good for Corey on a night when the fans were overjoyed to be the one that was booed loudly. Maybe he’s being sent down because of his negative vibes.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 28, 2008 4:12 PM EDT   0 recs

they werent boos

the fans were just still cheering for bruce

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 28, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

After that at bat last night

How could you do anything but boo. A second pitch hack swing.

Beware the toothpick knows.

by Pilsner73 on May 28, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Corey gone ? Dusty must be dissapointed.

Really thought that Corey would be here until August froze over. WOW.
Me thinks Big Bob is not going to stand and watch the status quo (losing and then losing) with the same guys any more. This must send a ‘message’ to the team that Bob may just be pretty Goddamned serious about winning after all.
Go Reds.
I never thought CoPat was a leadoff starter and for his sake I hope something good comes out of this for him. we may need him when Jr. goes down with his next injury (God forbid).
So lets see.
1. Voltran – Great
2. J. Quest – growing – doing the job
3. Votto – shaky D – but the boy is gonna be fine
4. Jannish- a very pleasant surprise
5. Mr. Bruce – 1 night doesn’t make a career but he’s the real deal
6. Now Mr. Phillips – this opportunity will self-destruct only if you let it -Good luck, hope to see you in the line up tonight.

Love these young guys – This is exciting.

"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.

by Madville on May 28, 2008 4:52 PM EDT   0 recs

It really is exciting.

Seeing the youngsters come up and work toward turning promise into production is a lot of fun. It makes me want to get Homer up to the big leagues again, soon. It’s such a change from years past when we spent the summer shuttling back and forth Harold Hasbeen and Roger Rosterfiller types.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on May 28, 2008 5:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you write for Highlights magazine or something?

Goofus never gets on base.

Gallant always gets on base and never makes an out.

by Brendanukkah on May 28, 2008 5:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bruce's hot start

If he gets on base his first time up tonight, Bruce’s start will be second-best all-time….

Listed are the top marks for consecutive times reaching base safely to begin a career, since 1956 (courtesy SABR & Elias Sports Bureau):
7 – Ted Cox, Red Sox, 1977 (6-for-6, 1BB)
5 – John Paciorek, Astros, 1963 (3-for-3, 2BB)
5 – Dave Robinson, Padres, 1970 (2-for-2, 3BB)
5 – Bob Dernier, Phillies, 1980 (4-for-4, 1BB)
5 – Tom Dunbar, Rangers, 1983 (2-for-2, 3BB)
5 – Jose Hernandez, Rangers, 1991 (4-for-4, 1BB)
5 – Mike Piazza, Dodgers, 1992 (4-for-4, 1BB)
5 – Ramon Martinez, Giants, 1998 (3-for-3, 2BB)
5 – Kazuo Matsui, Mets, 2004 (3-for-3, 2BB)
2008
5 (active) – Jay Bruce, Reds, 5/27 vs Pit (3-for-3, 2BB)
5 – Kosuke Fukudome, Cubs, 3/31-4/2 vs Mil (3-for-3, 2BB)
5 – Brandon Boggs, Rangers, 4/29/4/30 vs KC (4-for-4, 1BB)

Interesting that 3 of the 12 times on this list occurred this season.

by cesarhernandez on May 28, 2008 4:53 PM EDT   0 recs

And there was much rejoicing...

If anyone deserves this opportunity, it’s George Andrew Phillips. He’s hit well in Louisville, he’s hit well throughout his minor league career, and the Reds could use a player like him right now. The Yankees never gave him much of a chance. And I bet they regret non-tendering him now, with the way Shelley Duncan and Morgan Ensberg have imploded.

Yay, Andy! Roll Tide!

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by BubbaFan on May 28, 2008 4:54 PM EDT   0 recs

More from Fay's blog
Dusty Baker said Corey Patterson came to him yesterday and volunteered to go Triple-A.

“It was a mutual decision,” Baker said. “I was going to call Corey in and talk to him. He came in before I called him in. He said, ‘I got to get my act together. I’ve got to change some things.’ He knows he’s better than he played. He’s still got the skill, the talent. He’s still only 28 years old. It’s a good move to go down, stay a while and get his stuff together.”

It sounds like there’s mechanical problems with Patterson’s swing. “No. 1, he’s got to get on that fastball and eliminate some steps. Basically, hitting is like a two-step process. He had a third and fourth step in there.”

"Got a bump on the ole noggin, but otherwise god. And I get a new vehicle probably, w00t!"

by jch24 on May 28, 2008 6:43 PM EDT   0 recs

Yep

Normal hitters:
Step 1: Don’t suck.
Step 2: Swing

Patterson:
Step 1: Don’t suck.
Step 2: Suck.
Step 3: Really, really suck
Step 4: Swing

He needs to get rid of those extra steps.

BTW, Baker is full of shit.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 28, 2008 9:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

I read that and cumb’d, thinking “suuuuuure he did.”

"Got a bump on the ole noggin, but otherwise god. And I get a new vehicle probably, w00t!"

by jch24 on May 29, 2008 12:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

This

calls for a song!

"As it says over the door to the Famous Writers' School in Connecticut: A Sullen Drunk Packing A Gat Is Not The Best Company For An Artist Finicky About His Style."

by Pops Daniels on May 28, 2008 10:17 PM EDT   0 recs

Nice

I’d like to see a Verka Serduchka cover of that.

by Brian B on May 28, 2008 11:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Patterson gone?

let the good time roll on!

If you don't get a good-night kiss, you get Kafka dreams.

by Charlie Scrabbles on May 29, 2008 8:30 AM EDT   0 recs

Not exactly news, but

Hal makes it clear that Patterson was not Wayne’s idea:

Permit me to return to last spring when the Reds signed Corey Patterson to a $3.5 million contract. Once again, as I’ve written before, don’t blame fired general manager Wayne Krivsky for that one.

As he told me, "I was told to sign Patterson and get the deal done, no matter what it takes." It took $3.5 million — $3.5 million wasted dollars.

by ken on May 30, 2008 8:17 AM EDT   0 recs

So what exactly was Kenny Lofton asking for?

They couldn’t get him for less than that? Although, since Kenny has yet to sign with ANY team (probably because he turned his back on smooth music), it’s entirely possible that he was asking for more.

by Brendanukkah on May 30, 2008 9:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i recall Lofton wanted a guaranteed major league deal

Patterson signed for a minor league deal, and my guess is he signed it with a wink and a nudge from Dusty. its just speculation on my part, but the jerks probably had a verbal agreement in place to go around Wayner’s back.

If you don't get a good-night kiss, you get Kafka dreams.

by Charlie Scrabbles on May 30, 2008 9:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So he still gets the full 3.5 million

Even though he’s now in the minors? It’s not pro-rated or anything?

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by BubbaFan on May 30, 2008 12:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not sure

He signed a minor league contract but I never heard whether the money was contingent on him staying with the big league team. He had the right to refuse assignment based on his service time, and he probably would’ve done so if assignment meant sacrificing money.

by ken on May 30, 2008 1:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

c'mon ken

according to Fayish, Patterson asked to be sent down so he could work things out. He probably volunteered for a pay cut, too.

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by Man Mountain on May 30, 2008 1:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and signed up for Habitat for Humanity in the Greater Louisville area

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 30, 2008 1:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs