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Scott Hatteberg Designated For Assignment, Corey Patterson still a Red

No Link yet, but it is being reported by 700 WLW that the Reds have Designated for Assignment 1B Scott Hatteberg to make room for Jay Bruce.  I will update with a link as possible.

 [Update by MixFMKyle, 05/27/08 2:14 PM EDT ]

C. Trent has info on his blog:

It's Hatteberg that's designated for assignment to make room for Bruce. Interesting. It makes sense, really, you don't need two left-handed hitting first basemen on the roster.

I'll be interested to see if anyone takes his locker. It's in the corner, opposite Griffey's. It's usually reserved for a veteran. Since moving in there, Barry Larkin, Joe Randa, Jeff Conine and Hatteberg have occupied that spot. Except for Randa, those three were leaders for this team.

 

 

I am bummed Corey Patterson still is a Red.  Of the three candidates Hatteberg, Valentin, and Patterson, Hatteberg could have netted us the most on the trade market.  I suppose Scott could still be traded in the next ten days.  You got to feel for Scott.  He signed a team friendly deal, and has quite possibly been the most professional and team player on the roster.  Best of luck to him, I hope Walt can swing him a deal to a contender.

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This was, in my estimation, the dumbest possible move

Although I will concede that Valentin makes more sense on the roster than Hatteberg, strictly due to his versatility. Hatteberg didn’t have a place and should have been dealt at the deadline last year. Instead, we kept both him and Conine and are getting nothing for them.

But a tip of the hat to Scott, who was always a classy player, and for long stretches, the best player on the team. Happy trails, buddy. I hope an AL contender can use you.

by Brendanukkah on May 27, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We got 2 Minor Leaguers for Conine

One is Jose Castro, a Juan Castro hitting type short stop, and the other was an outfielder, who I can’t remember…..

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by MixFMKyle on May 27, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, Conine was a leader on the team?

When did that happen? And for that matter, Hatteberg was a leader on the team?

by Brendanukkah on May 27, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Always classy

and always a handsome dude.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 27, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 catchers continues!

Valentine can’t bat RH either, so the Reds still have 2 LH hitting 1st basemen on the roster.

by rojosoto on May 27, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

that makes no sense, so in a way, it makes perfect sense.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 27, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well Put

I think it signals that they will trade one of Freel, Dunn, or Griffey, and in the next month. I think Norris Hopper, once he comes back from the DL, better find a place in Louisville.

I think the Reds have a big decision, with Dunn and Griff – pick one and sign for next year and trade the other.

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by MixFMKyle on May 27, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jocketty

Has to be burning up the phone lines trying to move Griffey, then. He can’t keep him beyond this year. And if it comes to a choice between Dunn and Griffey, then it’s no choice at all. I think it’s better to let both go then to keep Griffey and get rid of Dunn.

Looking to trade Freel would be a smart move. Baserunning aside, he’s playing some of the best baseball that he has in awhile. His trade value should be pretty high.

Oh! I just had a terrible thought! What if Dusty starts Patterson (or maybe Hairston), and sits Bruce on the bench? That’s giving me the shakes just thinking about it. We’d have to kill him, right?

by Brendanukkah on May 27, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Seattle is still the best shot

their fan base is so mad right now, they have to do something.

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by MixFMKyle on May 27, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I was Seattle

Getting Griffey would just make me madder. Over on espn.com, they’re having a chat right now about the most disappointing team this season. The Mariners are in the discussion, and one of their fans was talking about how they just needed to blow up the team and go total youth movement. That would have been a good idea before the Bedard trade. Other than the memories, there’s not much difference right now between Griffey and Richie Sexson.

by Brendanukkah on May 27, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, I think Seattle would be out of the picture

I think Seattle has played themselves into seller’s mode this year. They probably wouldn’t want to give up much to get Griffey when they’d figure they can get him as a free agent in the offseason.

by rojosoto on May 27, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thought Patterson Would Stay

I expected Patterson to stay, but was hoping they’d move a pitcher. They certainly have a selection to choose from.

Griffey is 38 and his production is falling off. Makes no sense to sign him for a multiyear deal, and i suspect he would balk at a one-year contract. If his numbers don’t improve in the next month or so, pick up the phone to Seattle. He was a great player, but few guys still are at 38. Fame wins no ball games.

by justcorbly on May 27, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is this a fucking joke?

Or is it all part of the ongoing joke that is Dusty Baker and Reds General Managing?

by Brian B on May 27, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Given the money and positions...

You knew Patterson wasn’t going to be cut. The Reds were essentially down to 4 outfielders before this move: Dunn, Griffey, Patterson, Freel. Hairston can play it, but with Kepp on the DL, he’s nearly fulltime in the infield. When Freel plays the 3B (like when Encarnacion was sick over the weekend) there’s no bench players for the OF.

Cutting Hatteberg or Valentine leaves Patterson and Freel. Votto’s fulltime at 1st, so I guess the guy who can also still catch made the cut…barely.

Too bad Krivsky couldn’t (wouldn’t?) swing a deal with the Red Sox this spring.

by rojosoto on May 27, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

of the Red Reporters going to he game tonight

please boo your asses off at the site of Patterson.

by Brian B on May 27, 2008 2:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Noted.

Although, there’s no way he can play Patterson tonight. No way. Right? RIGHT?!

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on May 27, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

double switch out Dunn in the 7th

Better start warming up your booer in the 5th because Patterson will be in the game in place of Dunn by the 7th inning.

by rojosoto on May 27, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i followed your orders

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on May 28, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too.

As was everyone else in the stadium. Awesome.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on May 28, 2008 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the whole night was awesome

minus Cueto’s 119 innigns to complete 5 innings, Pattersons at bat, and Affeldt.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on May 28, 2008 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

those were a long 119 innings

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 28, 2008 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they'll really take a toll on his arm for his next start

they might have to push him back a year or two

When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.

by chandrathan on May 28, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Happy trails, Hatte

He might not have hit particularly well on the road or against LHP, but for two years Hatteberg was a lot better than most of us expected and provided reasonable production and good value at 1B. It shows that the team really didn’t trust Votto (I remember grumblings coming from the front office last Fall before Joey’s call-up). Otherwise, it made no sense to hold on to Hatteberg and especially to pick up his option for this year.

by ken on May 27, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why couldn't they get rid of someone who I wanted to see go?

This team still has 4 centerfielders and 3 catchers. I would even make the argument that Hatte had a bigger role on the team than Valentin and Patterson at this point, at least. Ugh, Walt.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on May 27, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

even though i like hatteberg...

Two left handed hitting first baseman on the roster was just dumb. At least they fixed one problem, I suppose I was being greedy to think the Reds might actually cut Patterson.

by homerun21 on May 27, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Huh.

You could justify keeping Patterson as a defensive replacement, I guess (though you know he won’t be replacing the worst defensive OF when he comes in). But Valentin? Hatte’s a much better 1B, is at least as good of a hitter (I’m guessing with more ABs he be hitting more consistantly – his OPS was 100 points higher when he was semi-starting), and may not be any worse as a 3rd catcher than Valentin.

I just don’t get it. Why does this team love the Latin Love Machine so?

Often wrong, never uncertain.

by sidnancy on May 27, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can see it

I can see keeping Valentin solely for the reason that it’s nice to have one guy that you know can pinch hit pretty solidly. If he can play a decent 1B, then that’s fine. Votto needs to play damn near every day anyway. And Valentin doesn’t give a shit, he’s happy he’s getting paid.

As far as Hatteberg goes, hopefully he clears waivers or whatever it’s called and can have some choice about where he goes… would be nice to see him win.

by bobestes on May 27, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Valentin's not really that good of a pinch hitter anyway

He’s been living off his reputation for awhile now.

by Brendanukkah on May 27, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Given the comments below

I guess I let his reputation precede him

by bobestes on May 27, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure Valentin can even PH adequately

His career PH line is .201/.263/.340.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 27, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Pretty Solidly"

This year (small sample, I know) his OPS is .397. That’s not good. And he can’t “play a decent 1B”; I’m probably better (and I never played past Little League/low-level slow pitch softball).

Often wrong, never uncertain.

by sidnancy on May 27, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although

Votto is starting to look a lot like Dr. Strange Glove down there at first.

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on May 27, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Guess I was right

To whoever said I was wrong for saying it’d be Hatteberg :) (though I don’t think it was the best choice)

by onemoreredoctober on May 27, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i own up

gjob

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 27, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my bad

i had too much faith in the front office of the Reds

When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.

by chandrathan on May 27, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How did you know?

Do you have connections, or was it just a lucky guess, or what?

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by BubbaFan on May 27, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think

patterson will go when hopper comes off the dl.

valentin is no longer a catcher. he’s had two starts at first in the last two weeks.

by Daedalus on May 27, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

He hasn’t started at catcher since April 16th – a week before Ross came off the DL.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 27, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If CoPa didn't go now

I would think the same reasoning would preclude him from going when NoHo comes back. Maybe it will be his turn for a phantom injury. If someone goes when Hopper gets back, and there isn’t a trade, I’d bet it is LLM rather than Patterson

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on May 27, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mark it down

Hopper is going to have Tommy John surgery. Nothing offical just a hunch.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on May 28, 2008 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With CoPat's contract and the AntiClog at the HELM, it will be a freezing day in Augsut before Corey is kicked off this team.

He’s a guy who has no role. Guys like Eddie Milner,Dave Collins and Herm Winningham all were valuable contributers to their teams because their manager knew how to utilize their best abilities and also keep them plugged into the the team. they clearly understood their roles and performed them well.

"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.

by Madville on May 28, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DAMN
It’s Hatteberg that’s designated for assignment to make room for Bruce. Interesting. It makes sense, really, you don’t need two left-handed hitting first basemen on the roster.

So we need 4 left handed hitting outfielders, two left handed hitting catchers (out of three), two left handed hitting first baseman (although Javie can supposedly switch hit)?

Eat the cash and dump Patterson

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on May 27, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well

I interpret this as a sign that Bob C has decided to back away from the cash-eating table.

by bobestes on May 27, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

patterson

it seems alot of people on this blog are rooting for him to fail. Just because Dusty wanted him in there. Now i agree he shouldnt hit 1st but i still think he can be an excellent defensive replacement or maybe give griffey or dunn a break. Patterson isnt the reason we are in last place and its getting old that people keep saying he is. It makes no sense to dump patterson when we have 2 left handing hitting first basemen. (although i thought i would have been nice to see hatte at 1st and votto in left after dunn leaves) Id rather have patterson anyday than norris hopper.
Btw patterson used to be a couldn’t miss prospect, so there is alot of potential

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on May 27, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He was a can't-miss prospect EIGHT YEARS AGO

And he missed. Time to accept that.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on May 27, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good thing Dusty doesn't have the responsibility of ushering another can't miss prospect to the bigs

God, I used to be elated. Now, I’m just starting to feel terrified and nervous. It’s like prom.

by Brendanukkah on May 27, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read that as "porn" not "prom" and laughed

A lo

"Got a bump on the ole noggin, but otherwise god. And I get a new vehicle probably, w00t!"

by jch24 on May 27, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

porn or prom

either way you get laid

When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.

by chandrathan on May 27, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you got laid at prom?

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 27, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mom prom

too far?

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 27, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just bought Season 1 & 2 of "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" yesterday

They have an episode about prom, and an epidsode about banging moms. But you, sir, are the visionary that combined the two.

by Brendanukkah on May 27, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forget not every school has a "Mom Prom"

luckily my mom never forced me to take her, but I know plenty of guys who “got” to attend Mom Prom. Not sure how many got lucky.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 27, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mom prom is a serious thing?

or am i being tricked again?

When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.

by chandrathan on May 27, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish it weren't true

Looks like it was February 3rd this year.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 27, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who was it that said Moeller sucks?

When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.

by chandrathan on May 27, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or is it just Moeller moms?

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on May 27, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good one!

When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.

by chandrathan on May 27, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm kind of liking

that I have no idea what “Marianist values” are…

by Gray on May 27, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

chad moeller sucks

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 27, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Yankees...

...only scored once yesterday.

The lone RBI was courtesy of…Chad Moeller.

No wonder you guys named a school after him.

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by BubbaFan on May 27, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what kind of person (mom or son) would go to this?

my apologies to any of us that may have attended a mom prom

When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.

by chandrathan on May 27, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

No wonder people who go to Catholic schools are so fucked up. :)

"Got a bump on the ole noggin, but otherwise god. And I get a new vehicle probably, w00t!"

by jch24 on May 27, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

please don't assume every Catholic school graduate is like me

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 27, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ive also never heard of mom prom

i think that’s a joke slyde’s mom played on him to get him out of the basement

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 27, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well not at prom

but after

When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.

by chandrathan on May 27, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that surprises me

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 27, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

"Got a bump on the ole noggin, but otherwise god. And I get a new vehicle probably, w00t!"

by jch24 on May 27, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you must not know that i'm awesome

When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.

by chandrathan on May 27, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me, too

I heard the guys all complaining that they had no luck on prom night. The girls spent too much money on their dresses, their hair, their makeup, etc., and didn’t want to get it messed up.

Me, I was a hopeless geek. Me and my boyfriend stayed to help clean up afterwards, while the rest of the kids went to the beach to party.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 27, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come to the Beach!

Right across from the Island!

by Brendanukkah on May 27, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If only I'd thought to use the mellow grooves of Jimmy Buffett!

Damn my love of distortion pedals! My time in high school was a complete waste. And college. And grad school.

...Fart.

by Brendanukkah on May 27, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha

i went to three proms, and there was jimmy buffett played in the car for each

When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.

by chandrathan on May 27, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 Million+ for a defensive replacement!!!

Fuck the heck are you thinking?

Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!

by Zach K on May 27, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm tired

of people saying that any given problem “isn’t the reason we’re in last place.” There are lots of problems; just because there’s more than one doesn’t mean that each doesn’t contribute to the team’s problems.

There is poor roster construction (as mentioned elsewhere, too many LH 1Bs, too many catchers, Patterson), poor lineup construction (Patterson first, Griffey first, Dunn in the bottom half), some players performing below expectations (Griffey), and some stupid managerial moves (see above lineup construction, plus misuse of the bullpen, stupid defensive replacements).

Patterson is not the reason for this team’s troubles, but he’s definitely a reason—and a major one, at that.

by Gray on May 27, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

Offensively, he is the biggest problem on the team. Defensively, he’s good, but no where near good enough to make up for his offense. He may not be the only problem, but he sure is an obvious one.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 27, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want him to fail

but he has. He hurts the team when he hits lead off. If could be our best threat on the bases if he could get on. But he can’t.

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on May 27, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point, I want him to fail so bad that they can't possibly keep him

because if he plays well enough to get by, he’ll be playing and taking at bats away from somebody better.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 27, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But how has he not already done that?

Seriously. How much more of a failure can he become?

by Gray on May 27, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea, but apparently it hasn't been bad enough yet

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 27, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

i am abolutely rooting for him to fail, because there’s no way for him to possibly succeed enough to be good

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 27, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait a minute

I defended the Patterson signing. I defended him as a starter. I defended him as a placeholder for Bruce.

He was the one who hit like a blind epileptic; I didn’t make him do it. When he was signed, and there was hope, the only complaint around here was that he hit too high in the lineup. It’s entirely his own fault that he’s been turned against.

Often wrong, never uncertain.

by sidnancy on May 27, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't always agree with a lot of what you say

But I found this to be spot on.

Yes, there was some cheering for an 0-9 night, but if you can’t have gallows humor, then you can’t have fun being a Reds fan.

by Brendanukkah on May 27, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn Straight

Sums up my life as a Reds fan. Besides, that game was interminable and rather hopeless after a point.

Jeff, we hardly knew ye...

by chesirecat on May 27, 2008 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't Miss:

So was Nick Esasky, Brandon Larson and Matt Clement – Esasky had a short and unheralded career, Larson couldn’y make the jump to the show and Clement is back down in the minors.

Patterson used correctly as a LATE inning defensive replacement, a pinch runner and occasional pinch hitter could be useful – not over $3millon useful but, still nobody wants him to fail, He just isn’t good enough to play everyday and contribute.

"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.

by Madville on May 28, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I almost typed a similar post this morning.
Patterson used correctly as a LATE inning defensive replacement, a pinch runner and occasional pinch hitter could be useful

But then I thought:

Patterson usually replaces Dunn defensively.
Patterson has been thrown out 1/3 of the time running this year (4 out of 12)
Patterson can’t hit.

For those reasons I am happy that “Wrong-Pat” is gone.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on May 28, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Clement had a few good years

and he is down in the minors because he is recovering from shoulder surgery.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on May 29, 2008 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think one of the problems is that there are too many rosters problems to fix with this one move.

We’ve fixed the two LH first baseman problem and I’m sure Walt will get to working on the 1)too many CFs 2)too many LH CF 3)no right-hand bench power 4) no true leadoff hitter 4)three catchers 5)crappy fifth starter yada, yada, yada….

There is LOT of work to do on this roster and Walt has proven himself to be adapt at such tasks. But it’s going to take him a little while.

by bengalred on May 27, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

very good post

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on May 27, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hatteberg isn't exactly tearing it up.

He might if he were playing everyday, but that ain’t going to happen. So his value lies as a PH and he’s just not very good in that role.

by bengalred on May 27, 2008 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

I like Hatteberg as much as anyone, and he was great for us. But there’s just not any room for him on the roster as presently constructed. He was being used by management in ways that didn’t play to his strengths. He needs to play regularly to be effective, but if you make me choose between starting Votto or Hatteberg regularly, Hatte’s losing that contest every time.

There is a lot wrong with the team. This addresses a problem. Maybe not the biggest problem or most glaring weakness, but it does address a problem. Hopefully it’s the first step towards fixing the team for good. Really would have liked to have gotten SOMETHING for Hatte though…

by Brendanukkah on May 27, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

totally agreed on the getting something for Hatte

probably should have dealt him at the deadline last year. Oh well.

by bengalred on May 27, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We said it then, we said it in the offseason

The front office just wasn’t sold on Votto as a starter. There was still a lot of debate on the matter all the way through spring training. Andy Phillips probably could have handled the job, but I guess they didn’t have confidence in him either. And, someone check me out on this, I think he was signed after they extended Hatteberg’s contract anyway.

by Brendanukkah on May 27, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

he was the most disappointed person of all when they picked up that option.

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 27, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No problems were fixed

Unless you consider “2 LH PH” a problem that needs fixed.

There are still 2 LH 1B – as crappy as LLM is as a hitter, he’s much better as a LH than as a RH – his career .596 OPS vs LHP is putrid. Dumping LLM makes 1000X more sense than dropping Hatte.

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by sidnancy on May 27, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the only thing that makes sense

maybe since everyone knew we had to trade hatteberg, walt wasn’t getting top-dollar offers for him. Now that he’s DFAed with a 10-day trading deadline maybe it creates some kind of bidding war. or something. whatev.

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 27, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this is dumb...

also, you can’t get a jay bruce jersey t shirt anywhere in Cincinnati. How long will it take for the vendors outside the stadium to have them?

When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.

by chandrathan on May 27, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Give it a month...

When he’s finally starting in CF.

by Gray on May 27, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will they play tonight?

Looks like there’s rain coming in…..

"Got a bump on the ole noggin, but otherwise god. And I get a new vehicle probably, w00t!"

by jch24 on May 27, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 27, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually,

it looks like we’ll be fine. looks to me like it’s going north of cincy

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 27, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno

They’ll probably be fine, but who knows. Here’s what I’m checking – Intellicast

"Got a bump on the ole noggin, but otherwise god. And I get a new vehicle probably, w00t!"

by jch24 on May 27, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

doesnt look all that bad to me

then again, it’s been 6 years since i went to meteorology school

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 27, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slick roads on I-71 S?

I hope the bus already left from Columbus.

by Brendanukkah on May 27, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm leaving in about 5 minutes

and two things need to happen.

1) The game needs to be played
B) Bruce needs to be starting in the outfield

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on May 27, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They damn well better.

I don’t care if it’s Jay standing out in center by himself in the rain, he’s playing tonight. Damn buying tickets before the game.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on May 27, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce starting

and batting second… according to the Fay

Corey warming planks of pine.

"I never should have given up the animation rights."

by BobbyO on May 27, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

first inning at bat!

kick ass

When it comes to Phil Mickelson...Marty's not a fan.

by chandrathan on May 27, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That must be Jocketty's lineup card

Baker’s lineup card is as follows:
CF Patterson
SS Hairston
RF Griffey
2B Phillips
LF Dunn
3B Encarnacion
1B Votto
C Bako
P Cueto

by rojosoto on May 27, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is not

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 27, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one correction

switch dunn and bako

"I never should have given up the animation rights."

by BobbyO on May 27, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and hatteberg for votto

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 27, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank God Griffey is still third

Jerry Hairston Jr. ss
Jay Bruce cf
Ken Griffey Jr. rf
Brandon Phillips 2b
Adam Dunn lf
Edwin Encarnacion 3b
Joey Votto 1b
Paul Bako c
John Cueto p

by Gray on May 27, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

back-to-back lefties?

I guess this is a throw away game.

And is Jerry Hairston Jr. any relation to Cherry Hudson Jr.?

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 27, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHAT?

How on God’s green earth can you bat 2 lefties back-to-back? I thought that was very forbidden. And this lineup does it twice. Bad things. Very bad things!

by rojosoto on May 27, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dusty's way of thinking outside the (batter's) box

"When I got my award, I just wore my usual stuff," Dunn said.
"Was it for the Reds organization or all of baseball?" Bruce said.

by Madville on May 29, 2008 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't fix all problems at once

I think Hatteberg had to go and Bruce had to come up. This isn’t the last move Jock will make to improve the roster, but it is a start. Next: Patterson goes. He decides between Hopper and Freel.

by jamesp50014 on May 27, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i choose:

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 27, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is anyone else having trouble

with Fay’s new RSS Feed? It just gives me a bunch of jibberish when I click the feed link

by xjjeep90 on May 27, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no trouble with the feed

Fay just prints a lot of jibberish

by rojosoto on May 27, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sounds about right

"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays

by Slyde on May 27, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

umm

that’s just how fay talks! HAHAHAHA!

What do you mean, "blank slate"?

by boobs on May 27, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROFLcopter!

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on May 27, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad move Walt

We couldn’t package hatterberg, freel and valentin to someone else?

As for why else it’s a bad move, Dusty loves CoPa and will continue to play him and bat him leadoff. Dusty may trick everyone and start Bruce a few times in Center but you just wait soon as Bruce struggles with an 0 for 4 night it’s CoPa time. CoPa is a veteran who has earned his 0-8. Yes it’s not CoPa fault he’s batting leadoff but don’t enable Dusty, just don’t.

Beware the toothpick knows.

by Pilsner73 on May 27, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hatteberg

could still be traded. Probably will be traded.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 27, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have faith that Baker will do the right thing.

We’ll see how it goes with Bruce vs. Baker favorite Patterson.

In other positions so far this year, the battle of veteran vs. youth: He stuck with Encarnacion thru his early season errors, and it now appears two hitting slumps. He gave Votto every opportunity at come thru his spring/early April slump at first base.

by rojosoto on May 27, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're faith in the manager is your undoing...

Just kidding but are you telling me you’re going to be surprised when he removes Dunn from games to play CoPa?

Beware the toothpick knows.

by Pilsner73 on May 27, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll certainly miss Hatte

classy guy.

but when is LLM going to be culled in favor of Andy Phillips? dude is OPSing .887 in AAA and actually hits righthanded. i suppose i may not be an expert on making sense, but this seems to make sense to me. anyone else?

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by Charlie Scrabbles on May 27, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see Andy get a shot

And he’s hitting .400 against lefthanders.

However, his splits have always been reversed in the big leagues, even though he mashes lefties in the minors. Might just be small sample size.

And he’s not a catcher, which might be a strike against him. He played only 1B for the Yanks, but the Bats have been using him at 2B and 3B, too. They seem to have given up on using him in the outfield.

Still, LLM is used so rarely, I think it’s probably worth cutting him in favor of Andy Phillips, or some other right-handed bat languishing in the minors.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 27, 2008 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe there's a trade market afterall.

From the Seattle Times:
“Richie Sexson was on the bench for a second straight night Wednesday amid rumors the club is actively pursuing longtime Yakima resident Scott Hatteberg, released by the Cincinnati Reds on Tuesday. Sexson has posted just a .197 on-base percentage so far in May.
Miguel Cairo got the start at first base instead, having gone 1 for 3 with a sacrifice bunt in Sexson’s place on Tuesday night. “

From MLB.com

“NEW YORK—Should the Mets determine their primary left-handed pinch-hitter Marlon Anderson will require an extended assignment to the disabled list, they may move to add veteran Scott Hatteberg, who was designated for assignment by the Reds on Tuesday.
The club already has discussed the possibility, and if Hatteberg clears waivers, it could act quickly.”

If the Reds can play the Mariners against the Mets, maybe they can pick up a low-level prospect.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on May 29, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yikes

I love Miggy, but he’s best in small doses. And he’s hitting below the Mendoza line. Hatteberg would definitely be an upgrade.

Though Seattle is so awful this year, they might be better off just blowing up the team.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 29, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seattle

That would be the rational thing, but their management is blinded by last year’s flukishly good record. Rather than recognize that they have fallen back to earth, there’s been talk about a lack of leadership and clubhouse issues. Just maybe they could be convinced that Griffey (or Hatteberg, to a lesser extent) will help them right the ship. The box office bonanza and fan goodwill that would accompany Griffey’s arrival would of course sweeten the deal.

by ken on May 30, 2008 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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