Farmers only brief update
For a rundown of yesterday's early games -- Jay Bruce goes 3 for 3 for Louisville, Ben Jukich's complete game for Chattanooga -- check out yesterday's late Farmers Only. If you get a chance, check out Baseball America's Q & A with Chattanooga's Daryl Thompson. Among the revelations: "School wasn't my thing," "One guy I that really liked to watch (in Spring training) was Aaron Harang," and "I don't care who you are, I'm going to challenge you with my fastball no matter what. ... I'm not scared of any hitter." He also claims to have a 94 mph fastball and a 63 mph curve and says he's lost control of his changeup of late. It's a really good read.
High A: Drew Stubbs was 2 for 4 with a homer, but the S-Reds lost 5-3 to Fort Myers. Danny Dorn was 0 for 4, continuing his extremely slow start to the season. UP NEXT: New series at Clearwater, 7 tonight.
Low A: Dayton got singles by Devin Mesoraco, Brandon Waring, Justin Reed and Kevyn Feiner, and that's it in an 8-0 loss to Lansing. One bright spot: Jeff Jeffords struck out 3 in his 1.2 innings of work, improving to 28 Ks in his 20.1 innings this season. UP NEXT: Game 4 at Lansing, 7 tonight.
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I didn’t know he had suffered a torn labrum earlier in his career. I also didn’t realize that he is only 22.
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by Caleb on May 15, 2008 1:42 AM EDT 0 recs
i didn't realize that he...
I wanted to say somehting really funny, but couldn’t think of anything. Well I got 5 “rec’s” for 2 posts tonight so I guess that is good enough. But seriously I have a final in 6 hours, that i am still not as prepared for as i would like to be. So no sleep tonight, hopefully some sleep at 10 this morning, and then preperation for my final final on friday morning, than packing, departure on Saturday, and EV v Cliff Lee at Great American Ballpark on Sunday. Also Pirates and Reds on the 27th with first row seats in the left center, and reds and braves on the 30th with all you can eat seats, and Reds and Indians in Cleveland in June, Reds at Wrigley on July 8th, Reds at Pittsburgh in August, and if i can get out to the ballpark the Reds are playing in Denver while I will be there for the DNC. If the Washington Center free’s me I would love to get to Coors Feild. They have $4 bleachers. I may also be in Chattanoga in June and I will take in a Lookouts game if I am there and if they are there while I am there.
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by justin007000 on
May 15, 2008 2:03 AM EDT
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and toiling as a cashier making minimum wage at Meijer, working 35-40 hours a week and taking in about $200
mostly 2nd shift not allowing me to watch the Reds games. The few times they scheduled to get off at 5 or 6 or 7 was on Sundays. I fucking hate that job, but it will allow me to pay off my credit card debt. Fucking food.
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by justin007000 on
May 15, 2008 2:06 AM EDT
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what is your role at the DNC?
and how did your test go? and I’ve noticed you have had troubles with this:
I wanted to say somehting really funny, but couldn’t think of anything
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by Caleb on
May 15, 2008 12:17 PM EDT
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ha
rec’d
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on
May 15, 2008 3:13 PM EDT
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I am not sure exactly what I am doing yet
I am going as a part of a seminar with the Washington Center which will get me 4 credit hours. They are currently working on giving me and their other participants field placements.
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by justin007000 on
May 15, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
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Could be an interesting time
especially if they actually decide the candidate there
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by Caleb on
May 15, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
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they won't
Hillary will bow out after June 3rd, or atleast we will know that she will be out by June 3rd. Too bad I would love a brokered convention, atleast it would mean something.
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by justin007000 on
May 15, 2008 4:56 PM EDT
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you dont think the longest nomination battle in the history of american politics means anything?
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by boobs on
May 15, 2008 5:03 PM EDT
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i mean the convention would mean something
They haven’t been the same since the police riots of 68.
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by justin007000 on
May 15, 2008 6:47 PM EDT
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it would mean something,
but in a very negative way. as exciting as a brokered convention would be, it would be the slimiest event in american politics
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by boobs on
May 15, 2008 7:13 PM EDT
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worse than that time Karl Rove was responsbile
for phone calls to South (North?) Carolina voters to inform them that McCain had a bastard black child?
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by justin007000 on
May 15, 2008 8:24 PM EDT
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the difference is
that was pinky and the brain run amok. this would be endorsed by the leadership of the democratic party.
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by boobs on
May 15, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
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think she'll take a vp spot
if offered?
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by Caleb on
May 15, 2008 6:49 PM EDT
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not gonna happen
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by boobs on
May 15, 2008 7:11 PM EDT
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I think she would
Probably against her better judgment.
But I don’t think it will be offered. Personal issues aside, they need a white male to balance the ticket.
Personally, I think the next president is going to be the next Herbert Hoover. Or at least the next Jimmy Carter. It’s probably better for her presidential hopes if she’s not connected to him. But if the party thinks the only way they can win is with a “dream ticket,” she’ll probably go along with it.
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by BubbaFan on
May 15, 2008 7:13 PM EDT
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i dont think anyone in the party thinks it would be a good idea for her to join the ticket
the only thing at this point that can unite and mobilize republicans is a ticket that includes hillary clinton.
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by boobs on
May 15, 2008 7:16 PM EDT
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I'm sure there are some who like the idea
They’re Democrats, after all. You kind find supporters of just about everything that party.
But I did say I didn’t think it was going to happen.
And it’s probably better for her if it doesn’t. Whether Obama loses in November or has to sit in the Oval Office during the coming mess…he’s going to be damaged goods in four years. (Ditto McCain.)
I know liberals who are seriously considering voting for McCain. Not because they like him or hate Obama, but because they think if there’s a Republican in office during the next four years, the GOP brand will be so damaged the party won’t recover for a generation.
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by BubbaFan on
May 15, 2008 7:34 PM EDT
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why is it you think any president will be "damaged goods" no matter what over the next term?
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by boobs on
May 15, 2008 7:57 PM EDT
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Combination of the mortgage crisis and high energy/food prices
It’s looking like the ‘70s all over again. And no, I’m not talking about leisure suits and the BeeGees.
Some even think we could be facing an economic crisis worse than the Great Depression. I don’t think it will be that bad, at least not in the next four years, but I don’t see how we avoid a moderate to severe recession. And possibly some really scary financial crises, of the sort that makes LTCM and the S&L crisis look mild.
It’s the economy, stupid, and the economy is going to be pretty sucky. It’s not going to be our new president’s fault, but he’ll take the blame.
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by BubbaFan on
May 15, 2008 8:25 PM EDT
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well, no
the economy has already crashed. that’s on Bush. It’s very similar to the recession that Bush 41 left with Clinton, and what followed was a very robust robust economy. The energy crisis really isn’t as bad as we make it out to be, either. The 70s oil crises were caused by A) an OPEC embargo and B) the Iranian revolution, which came halfway into Carter’s administration and could frankly happen at any time to any president. At any rate, they were short-term supply problems. The problem this time is that demand is catching up with the United States for the first time. We’ve been paying a tenth of what the rest of the world has for gasoline, and now the dollar is deflating and China and India are demanding more oil than ever. So we’re paying half of what the rest of the world is, and we’re freaking out like there’s an energy crisis. The reality is we’re just going to have to adjust like everyone else did 50 years ago.
The point is, the dollar is at a low point; it’s much more likely to improve than to get worse, given the 230-year stability of our country’s economy. And when that happens, it will likely make the president look very good.
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by boobs on
May 15, 2008 8:35 PM EDT
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I don't disgree with your assessment of the situation, really
But I do disagree with how it will turn out. (I also think the economy has yet to crash. They’re still arguing about whether there will be a recession. If had crashed, they would be arguing about when it started and if it was over yet.)
The problem this time is that demand is catching up with the United States for the first time.
That is exactly why I think it’s a problem. Last time, the root cause of the energy crisis was depletion of US oil fields. We use to be Saudi Arabia, setting the price by opening and closing the oil taps. We lost that ability around 1970 as our oil fields began to dry up, and that’s what allowed OPEC to put the screws to us with the embargo.
But it was a fake crisis. There was plenty of oil, it just wasn’t getting to us in the usual manner. This time, supplies actually are tight. It’s not going to be a short term problem.
We’ve been paying a tenth of what the rest of the world has for gasoline, and now the dollar is deflating and China and India are demanding more oil than ever.
Not true. We are paying less than many other countries, but that’s because our taxes are low. It’s most expensive in Norway, where it’s roughly twice what we pay – not 10 times. Many people in the world are paying much less than we are, because there are no taxes at all, or their government actually subsidizes the cost of gasoline. Gas costs something like 20 cents a gallon in Venezuela. Americans amuse the locals by taking photos of the gas pumps, they’re so amazed at the price.
But yes, China and India’s increased demand is a factor as well. That is what led Matthew Simmons to write his influential book, Twilight in the Desert. He’s an investment banker who funds energy projects, and he started wondering if there was enough oil in the world for China to achieve a US standard of living. He found that there wasn’t. Even the level of Japan in 1960 was iffy.
The reality is we’re just going to have to adjust like everyone else did 50 years ago.
Everyone else didn’t. They’re going to have a hard time, too. In fact, in many countries, they already are.
The point is, the dollar is at a low point; it’s much more likely to improve than to get worse
I disagree about that, too. I think they’ll be forced to keep the dollar fairly weak. Given a choice between inflation and deflation, they’ll pick inflation. “Helicopter Ben” fixed the recent credit crisis (temporarily) by firing up the helicopters, and he’ll do it again.
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by BubbaFan on
May 15, 2008 9:11 PM EDT
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i have some work to do, so i'll get back to this later
but i’d like to point out that venezuela is an OPEC country. I was obviously not talking about them.
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by boobs on
May 15, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
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China is not an OPEC country
And they pay about 2/3 of what we pay, due to government subsidies. That’s one billion people, paying less than we pay.
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by BubbaFan on
May 15, 2008 9:32 PM EDT
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OPEC Members
Just taking a look at the member list should be enough cause for the United States to rethink their position on oil and start finding some other viable energy solutions
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by Caleb on
May 15, 2008 9:39 PM EDT
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You would think
And it’s not like we didn’t have a warning. The ‘70s oil crisis, complete with shortages, rationing, and wage and price controls enacted by a Republican president, should have been a wakeup call.
But it wasn’t, and it wasn’t for any other country in the world, either. Some did more than others, but most are still very dependent on petroleum, not only for energy, but for the fertilizers that allow us to feed almost 7 billion people.
That tells you that either people are really stupid, or the problem is extremely difficult. Or both.
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by BubbaFan on
May 15, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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70s oil crisis
I had a flash back the other day when gas shot up to $3.95. One station was still at $3.64 and the line was nuts.
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by Caleb on
May 15, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
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Were you alive and old enough to drive back then?
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by BubbaFan on
May 15, 2008 10:57 PM EDT
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Russia, too
Over the past seven years, according to Citibank, Russia accounted for 80% of the growth in oil production outside the Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries. The increase in its output in the early part of the decade matched the growth in demand from China and India almost barrel for barrel. Yet in April, production fell for the fourth month in a row…. Before that, the growth in Russia’s output had been slowing steadily, suggesting that the drop is not a blip…. The discovery that Russia can no longer be relied upon to cater to the world’s ever-increasing appetite for oil is naturally helping to propel prices to record levels.
From the article, it sounds like Russia has plenty of untapped reserves but has such bass-ackwards tax and regulatory regimes that it can’t be counted on to help meet growing world demand for petrol. I don’t know. Maybe Bush can look Putin in the eye and get a sense of their production capacity.
by ken on
May 16, 2008 10:46 AM EDT
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Russia has some oil reserves
But they are likely past peak. Indeed, there’s a school of thought that holds it was hitting peak production that caused the fall of the Soviet Union.
The Economist is the kind of magazine that thinks, in the words of Princeton petroleum geologist Kenneth Deffeyes, that “if you show up at the cashier’s cage with enough currency, God will put more oil in the ground.” They are famous for predicting oil would drop to $5 a barrel. :-D
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by BubbaFan on
May 16, 2008 6:48 PM EDT
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im talking about developed, not developing, countries
here’s a list from 2005 of worldwide gas prices. Netherlands was $6.48 a gallon, and this was after prices in the U.S. skyrocketed to $2.
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by boobs on
May 15, 2008 10:11 PM EDT
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and here's a more updated list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_usage_and_pricing
pretty much every modern country pays more for its gas, topped by Turkey at $10.13. China might be at less than $3, but post-colonial Hong Kong is at $7.56.
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by boobs on
May 15, 2008 10:20 PM EDT
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yes, I know
I like this graph. It’s fairly recent, though gas prices are rising so fast it’s hard to keep up.
The thing is…the price is high in other developed countries, not because it costs them more, but because it’s taxed more. And taxes don’t disappear (contrary to what some right-wingers would have you believe ;-). They are given back to the people in some form. As mass transit. As free health care. As housing subsidies. As funding for alternate energy. That makes the higher prices more affordable.
There’s also the fact that we are built for cheap energy in a way those old European countries are not. Exhibit A: Wal-Mart. Big box stories out in the middle of nowhere, hard to heat and cool, far from ports and warehouses…and from their own customers.
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by BubbaFan on
May 15, 2008 11:09 PM EDT
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that was my point earlier
He’s me a little bit ago:
The reality is we’re just going to have to adjust like everyone else did 50 years ago.
And here’s you:
Everyone else didn’t. They’re going to have a hard time, too.
And then here’s you again:
The thing is…the price is high in other developed countries, not because it costs them more, but because it’s taxed more. And taxes don’t disappear (contrary to what some right-wingers would have you believe ;-). They are given back to the people in some form. As mass transit. As free health care. As housing subsidies. As funding for alternate energy. That makes the higher prices more affordable.
I accept your admission of defeat.
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by boobs on
May 15, 2008 11:14 PM EDT
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Sorry
I don’t follow you.
Other countries aren’t really that much better prepared than we are. They may pay higher prices, but they’re still dependent on petroleum. And they were already better prepared, in that their infrastructure was designed for a low energy world (simply because they’re so old).
Now, it’s too late. We can’t raise gas taxes now. It’s politically impossible.
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by BubbaFan on
May 15, 2008 11:52 PM EDT
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im venturing into talking-out-of-my-ass territory
(let’s face it—I spend a lot of time there and even timeshare a condo) but the countries that have have invested in public transportation, have a lot of folks who walk and ride bicycles, aren’t they much better prepared for the higher prices than us? I realize that other sectors like food and merchandise are affected by an increase in fuel costs, but transportation is the most directly influenced, and those countries are weened off their dependence of oil much better than us, no? And if their taxes inflate their prices to something like 2 times what we pay, won’t the net effect of a global price hike affect them less?
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by boobs on
May 16, 2008 3:23 AM EDT
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Good question
There’s some debate about the answer.
but the countries that have have invested in public transportation, have a lot of folks who walk and ride bicycles, aren’t they much better prepared for the higher prices than us?
There’s some argument about this. Some say yes. Some say that actually makes them much more dependent on the oil they do use. The fact that we are so wasteful means we have a lot of room to cut back.
This sort of ties in to why many think this energy crisis will be harder than the last one. We’ve already done the easy things. (Like passing laws requiring more efficient appliances and building standards, switching oil-fired power plants to natural gas and coal, sending heavy industry overseas, etc.) Finding additional improvements will be more difficult, with less reward, this time around.
And if their taxes inflate their prices to something like 2 times what we pay, won’t the net effect of a global price hike affect them less?
I think that’s been true so far. They don’t feel the effect of price as strongly as we do. Still…they are feeling it. There have been strikes over fuel prices in various parts of Europe over the past few years.
In any case, there is no way we can transform into Europe within four years (since the time frame we are talking about is the 2012 presidential election). And telling people they should be happy because people are paying more in Europe isn’t going to be a winning campaign issue.
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by BubbaFan on
May 16, 2008 6:52 AM EDT
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but i think it's a leap in logic
to assume that, even if the economy and energy situations continue to tank, that everyone will hate the president for it. Or that the president won’t be able to come up with enough short-term solutions, while making long-term reforms to the infrastructure, to keep people afloat and happy, or at least content.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on
May 16, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
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It's not much of a leap
In the end, people vote on pocketbook issues. Unless they’re doing so well the economy doesn’t matter.
And the president won’t be able to do anything. He’s a president, not a king. (Not to mention the other things that will be tying his hands, like our insane level of debt.) It’s really not fair to give blame or credit for the economy to the president…but the buck stops in the Oval Office anyway.
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by BubbaFan on
May 16, 2008 6:53 PM EDT
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i just disagree
that the american public will blame absolutely everything on the president no matter what. they may be a flock of sheep, but they also occasionally make decisions for themselves.
What do you mean, "blank slate"?
by boobs on
May 16, 2008 7:26 PM EDT
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hey, international economics, I can say something about this!
I traveled in Central Asia this past summer, which you are going to hear a lot about in the next few years. In Turkmenistan , you could fill up on diesel for ~5 cents a gallon.
I then spent 6 months in Turkey. Which is a different country. And there, gas costs the equivalent of 12 dollars a gallon.
Incidentally, there was a baseball scout at the university I was at teaching kids how to play. He didn’t speak a word of Turkish, so I got to pretend I was Turkish and 15 for a bit as a joke. It didn’t last long enough for me to get a Juan Duran payday, but look out for a 2b named Fatih Ozkan in a decade or two.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on
May 15, 2008 10:11 PM EDT
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I read that as Faith Ozkan
And was very intrigued about the Turkish middle infielder that was going to break the gender barrier.
by Brendanukkah on
May 15, 2008 10:21 PM EDT
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you are forgetting to give the
last few Congresses their fair share of the credit/blame for economic woe.
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by Caleb on
May 15, 2008 9:17 PM EDT
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ill give alan greenspan,
who thought that allowing banks to lend to folks who couldn’t afford to pay back their debts by offering teaser rates, the bulk of the blame.
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by boobs on
May 15, 2008 9:20 PM EDT
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good point
My point was that Congressmen and Senators often skate through times of crisis with little or no blame.
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by Caleb on
May 15, 2008 9:26 PM EDT
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i didnt mean to blame bush
i was saying, as far as general perception and blaming the president for everything goes, the current economy is “on bush.”
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by boobs on
May 15, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
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Definitely agree there
“Bubbles” Greenspan is blame for a lot of the financial issues.
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by BubbaFan on
May 15, 2008 9:27 PM EDT
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there's supposed to be a "was a good idea" in there
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by boobs on
May 15, 2008 10:15 PM EDT
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Ted Strickland seems to be doing alright in Ohio
in a bad situation.
FDR seemed to have some popularity. I think with as unpopular as Bush is the next President well be seen as cleaning up after Georege.
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by justin007000 on
May 15, 2008 8:27 PM EDT
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But what if things are even worse in four years?
Say, unemployment and inflation much higher, gas at $10/gallon, housing prices down 50% (but no one is willing to give you a mortgage, so you can’t buy a house anyway).
I think it’s the president after the one who will be elected in 2008 who will be in the position to play FDR.
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by BubbaFan on
May 15, 2008 8:35 PM EDT
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i think you're overreacting
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by boobs on
May 15, 2008 8:37 PM EDT
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Maybe
But don’t say I didn’t warn ya!
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by BubbaFan on
May 15, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
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I think Obama will have an easier time in that situation
Americans love charasmatic people, there is some debate as to whether FDR’s programs helped during the depression, there is even the argument that alphabet soup made it worse. Several of the programs enacted early in his Presidency were created by Hoover. Despite all of that FDR was incredibly charasmatic and that is why he was so popular. Reagan was a pretty terrible President, but he was a great speaker and very popular. I think Obama has that ability. Hopefully he has more than charisma. But if Americans feel like the President is doing what is best they will like him.
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by justin007000 on
May 15, 2008 8:43 PM EDT
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Disagree
FDR didn’t take over until well after the Great Depression had started, so he avoided the blame.
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by BubbaFan on
May 15, 2008 9:25 PM EDT
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disagree sort of
We were 4 years into the Depression when FDR took over. It lasted roughly another 6 under his watch before wartime economy started to bail us out. He deserves a little of the blame.
Of course my family was all hill folk from Eastern Ky so they didn’t know they were poor so it didn’t matter to them.
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by Caleb on
May 15, 2008 9:32 PM EDT
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Yeah, but...
...the fact that the worst was over before he took office meant that practically, he avoided blame.
Even so, it got pretty rough.
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by BubbaFan on
May 15, 2008 9:42 PM EDT
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Yes it did
I actually had an 8th grade history teacher who told us about that Plot because of the ties to Buckeye Steel castings and Columbus Ohio.
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by Caleb on
May 15, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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Wow, that's pretty cool
I sometimes forget how important Ohio was in our manufacturing past.
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by BubbaFan on
May 15, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
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Of course
he didn’t make a Bush reference way back then. But I think if he was still teaching he sure would now. But he was still one of the best teachers i ever had.
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by Caleb on
May 15, 2008 10:05 PM EDT
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why even vote than
if they are more concerned about what is best for the Democratic Party rather than the country they are full of shit. I used to be a yellow dog Democrat, but the last year and a half has left me jaded. I feel like Democrats are just kinda less bad than the GOP.
The Dusty Path to the World Series!*
*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.
by justin007000 on
May 15, 2008 8:29 PM EDT
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I vote
to preserve my right to complain about the government. ;-)
Seriously, there really isn’t much difference between the GOP and Democrats. Our founding fathers made sure of that. They valued stability over all. The result is a system where you end up with two and only two political parties, with little difference between them.
I remember watching a documentary on PBS, about the 1992 presidential campaign. They interviewed a rich old guy lounging on the beach at his exclusive condo. He named a bunch of his neighbors, and they were famous Republicans, Democrats, and members of the media. Then he said it didn’t matter if Bush, Clinton, or Perot won the election. Because “no matter who wins, he’s one of us.”
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on
May 15, 2008 9:21 PM EDT
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i know
there are a few exceptions. Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul come to mind. They are probably my favorite Congressmen. I don’t agree with them on everything but I feel like they aren’t owned by anyone and they actually do what they feel is best.
The Dusty Path to the World Series!*
*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.
by justin007000 on
May 15, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
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so slightly akin
to R’s crossing over and voting for Hillary because they thought that would be the best way for their party to win in November?
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
by Caleb on
May 15, 2008 9:14 PM EDT
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