.410 Good Buddy
Heading into the middle of May, the Reds as we all know, are in last place in the weakest MLB division with a an impressive .410 winning percentage and only 7.5 games behind in the standings. The ML Owner's meeting is coming up on (I believe the 14th & 15th of May).this juncture seems like an opportune time for The Reds to seriously begin negotiations with the Mariners to move Ken Griffey Jr.. Griffey, while apparently a good teammate, a certain Hall of Famer and a possible short term fan draw (if he ever gets around to hitting #600), has had only 10 extra base hits this season , with a .338 OBP and a .379 SLg. His general play is quasi-acceptable, his speed is greatly diminished and his value is dropping as rapidly as his on base percentage., From Fay's blog today;
The Reds apparently are more than willing to trade outfielder Ken Griffey Jr., and Griffey's original team, the Mariners, is in the process of checking out the 38-year-old slugger to see if he might be the answer to an underperforming offense.
The big stumbling block is that Seattle only wants Jr. as a DH. Jr. believes that he needs to be in the line up everyday. The sabrematicians from RR can give us more statistical details relevant to Jr.'s impact on the the Reds. I don't think i'd be too far off in saying, from an old schooler's pt. of view, Jay Bruce needs to be in the line daily, learning to hit Major League pitching and helping to set the stage for either a mid-to-late season surge or a much more successful 2009.
This is not new news - But with Dunn slumping, Dusty continuing to play Pqatterson in CF, this team needs J. before we're 12 - 13 games back with no real hope of getting back into the race.
If the reds move NOW we might, (might that is) get a prospect or two. But if Bob and Co. waits well... Fay says better that I
:Griffey is a 10-and-5 player (10 or more years in the big leagues, the past five with the same team) with the right to veto any trade. If no trade happens in the coming weeks, the Mariners are expected to be a serious suitor for his services should he become a free agent this offseason.
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If they do pull the trigger on a trade
I could see Jr blocking it. I would really like to see him at least get # 600 before he leaves us.
Who does Seattle have that would be a good fit for the Reds? Even though Griffey is at the end of a great career he should still bring something more than spare parts in return.
Also, should Ken Griffey Jr be inducted in the REDS Hall of Fame after his retirement?
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
by Caleb on
May 13, 2008 3:10 PM EDT
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I vote yes on the Reds HOF
Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.
by jch24 on
May 13, 2008 3:15 PM EDT
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as for the haul
I like Jeremy Reed as a guy who is post-prospect age, but could still be a nice player. He’d be more valuable to this team from a baseball standpoint than Griffey. I hate saying that.
by Blue on
May 13, 2008 3:26 PM EDT
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I don't know the minors like a lot of people on this site
But after the Bedard trade, I would guess that there’s not a lot in the pantry. Although I also can’t see how a team would give up a valuable prospect for Griffey—but it is Bavasi. The main draw for me would really be to have someone else picking up (at least some of) the tab for Junior, and if we get anything out of it, great. It opens the door to call up Bruce and let him play his more natural position of right field. It should improve our outfield defense a little bit, and maybe even our offense. There’d be zero pressure on the front office to pick up Grif’s $16M option next year, and we’d be off the hook for the $4M buyout. That money can go towards signing Dunn, or getting a catcher, or nabbing a starter…
I like Griffey. I really do. I appreciate the years of service he gave to the club. It’s time for them to part ways, as the relationship has soured a little bit for both parties. Whatever happened in Seattle was 9+ years ago, and is likely water under the bridge. I remember how touched Junior was by the fans’ reaction last year. If they want him back, and he’s willing to go, I’d almost see that as a fair trade. If they kick in a useful player as well, that’s just gravy.
As for the Reds HOF… I think it’s a yes. He hit his 400th, 500th, and (hopefully) 600th home run as a Red. He’s hit 199 HRs so far as a Red, which is good for 8th all-time in team history. With five more, he passes Eric Davis for 7th. He made 3 All-Star games as a Red and helped us get Great American built. And the day the Reds traded for him was one of the greatest days of my life as a fan.
by Brendanukkah on
May 13, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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FWIW
Adam Dunn is tied with George Foster for 5th, and just seven away from catching Klu. Pretty heady company, to be among those Reds legends. And he’s there in significanly fewer at-bats.
by Brendanukkah on
May 13, 2008 3:33 PM EDT
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Adam Dunn also only needs 34 walks to catch Davey Concepcion for 6th all-time as a Red
I don’t normally play around with www.baseball-reference.com. This is fun!
by Brendanukkah on
May 13, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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61 Ks for Dunn to catch Concepcion for third all-time, in about 5200+ less PAs
Of course, the all-time Reds strikeout leader is Mr. Clutch himself, Tony Perez.
I hope this doesn’t come across as bashing Dunn. What this is doing for me is really opening my eyes as to how Adam is ALREADY one of the best Reds players EVER. I’m kind of excited to see where he ranks on all these lists in the future.
by Brendanukkah on
May 13, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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don't tell Slyde
he’ll count you as another convert to his evil religion
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
by Caleb on
May 13, 2008 5:22 PM EDT
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And the day the Reds traded for him was one of the greatest days of my life as a fan.
It’s the only time an off-season move has made me buy tickets that day – though with the way they wait until March to sell tickets now, it’s pretty much impossible to buy them the day of a move.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
by Slyde on
May 13, 2008 3:34 PM EDT
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wasn't the acquistion of griffey kind of a train wreck too?
i seem to recall months of will they or won’t they talk.
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by chandrathan on
May 14, 2008 6:03 PM EDT
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Buy tickets that day
I did the same thing. I lived in Indianapolis at the time, and when I heard about the trade I immediately called to get Opening Day tickets from a local broker. It was great to be there, but the day itself was cold and rainy. Junior went 0-for-3 in that weird, rained-out “game doesn’t count but stats count” opener. I remember Junior got robust applause each time up from an increasingly cold and wet crowd.
by ctnyc on
May 15, 2008 12:35 AM EDT
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God do hate to sat this but I don't see Jr. as being that important to or
Putting the numbers to automatically give him Reds Hall of fame status. His great glory years were with the Mariners. 
Back in the day when he was healthy and could run and Slyde into home.
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by Madville on
May 13, 2008 4:42 PM EDT
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It is true that his best years were in Seattle
But Griffey has been one of the most talented players to ever put on a Reds uniform. He also has done many things for the city through his philanthropic efforts. He has had many struggles here and no one is happy with his performance except for possibly 01 05 and maybe 07. As was already stated he has hit more Hrs than all but a few Red greats. I understand where you are coming from, but for me things are a little different. I have an inordinate amount of man love for Griff as do a lot of people my age. I don’t know why but ever since I was a good kid, I loved him (mainly because he was awesome). He debuted when I was 5 and I have been a fan since. Its not that I do not love the Barry larkins, the Chris Sabos, the Eric Davises etc. but for the majority of my life Griffey was the baseball player.
When I was 13 I had to move from Ashland, KY to Dodge City, KS and got to see maybe 3 reds games, but usually one was in person. I kinda fell out of fanhood as these were the days of dial-up internet and we did not even have that for a long time. But when we got that Sports Illustrated with Griffey’s picture on it, my hope was revived as I’m sure many others’ was as well. I will root for Griff wherever he will play and I hope it remains in Cincinnati for the rest of his career. If he were traded the Reds will still of course be my team but I will root for Jr wherever he will go for as long as he plays. Sometimes he does not give me good reason for my blind support, but not everything has to make sense.
After that whole long-winded thing I am going to go get ready for the hour long drive to the Nati as I will be at the game tonight with a few $7 beers and hope to see Griff hit 598
by johnny cueto thinks we're sellouts on
May 13, 2008 5:05 PM EDT
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Admit it
The reason that SI issue was so cool is because you knew one day you’d trade internet posts with someone who was in one of the photos in that issue.
(I love promoting my Griff connection. Its my 15 minutes of indirect fame.)
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by TheC on
May 13, 2008 6:13 PM EDT
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I have that issue at home somewhere
Which pic are you in?
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by jch24 on
May 14, 2008 9:51 AM EDT
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I hope
hitting #600 in Seattle is a selling point for the Reds. It is a magnificent accomplishment and should justly be celebrated, but if it helps Seattle take him, by all means. His trade value is not good and I’m just guessing at this, but who else would want him? His contract makes him a trade liability, so if Seattle is willing to take that salary for the chase to 600, hurrah.
by Pops Daniels on
May 13, 2008 3:23 PM EDT
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I agree
I don’t fault people for wanting to see him hit #600 as a Red, but from a purely baseball standpoint, I think his value will be higher now as he moves toward 600 than it will afterward. And it’s not like Reds fans are stuffing the stadium to see him get to 600.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
by Slyde on
May 13, 2008 3:30 PM EDT
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Fer shur dude
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by Madville on
May 13, 2008 10:46 PM EDT
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jeff clement
maybe it’s overshooting at this point, but they’re locked into kenji johjima, and clement is much more valuable as a catcher than as a 1B/DH. straight-up swap.
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by boobs on
May 13, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
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I'd take it
And eat a pretty significant chunk of Grif’s salary to do it.
by Brendanukkah on
May 13, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
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Hey, Hey it's the lineup from the Fay
Ryan Freel cf
Jeff Keppinger ss
Brandon Phillips 2b
Edwin Encarnacion 3b
Joey Votto 1b
Jerry Hairston Jr. rf
Adam Dunn lf
David Ross c
Edinson Volquez p
v. LH Mark Hendrickson
by Pops Daniels on
May 13, 2008 3:44 PM EDT
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dunn in the 7-slot again
wow
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by boobs on
May 13, 2008 3:46 PM EDT
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No shit
I really do not like Dusty Baker. The trial period is over. He is officially the wrong hire.
by Pops Daniels on
May 13, 2008 3:49 PM EDT
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And pops don't forget "Good enough is not Good enough'
Dustbag isn’t even good enough…well he’s good enough to take the money and relive his Dodger glory daze.
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by Madville on
May 13, 2008 4:30 PM EDT
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I hate to be a broken record
but the batting out of order thing was really the topper for me. Drunk-assed fallin’ down softball players know better. This is goddamn unnerving, all of it. Patterson, the whatthefuckishethinking line-ups, his stubborn refusals to LOOK AT FACTS, all of it. I’m sick of him already. I feel like the loser because he consistently ruins my nights. I should know better.
by Pops Daniels on
May 13, 2008 4:48 PM EDT
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Pops - You must let go of this thing before it consumes you !!!!

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by Madville on
May 13, 2008 10:56 PM EDT
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replaced by R-R-R-R
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by boobs on
May 13, 2008 3:54 PM EDT
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It's common knowledge
that you can’t have 2 good hitting lefties back-to-back, but you can have as many righties back-to-back as you see fit. Right-haded pitchers can’t get right-handed hitters out. Everyone knows that. It’s as well known as the fact that the CF must lead off.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
by Slyde on
May 13, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
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Lets see if I understand...
If the Cf leads off then the SS is supposed to bat 2nd?
The no. 3 batter is then the over the hill star who gets to play where he wants and bats where he wants as well/?
But what happens next Mr. Slyde ? I’m getting confused.
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by Madville on
May 13, 2008 4:32 PM EDT
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What if Dusty mangaged the Dodgers?
would Jones be leading off then?
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by Zach K on
May 14, 2008 7:48 AM EDT
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What happened to maybe giving a hot hand another few ABS ?
I don’t like CoPat – but Christ on a hubcap, a guy comes out and gets 4 hits maybe you go with him and see if he’s gonna get hot.
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by Madville on
May 13, 2008 3:58 PM EDT
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I get small sample size, really
But Corey, Dusty’s dude, gets four hits, then sits the next game? I, clearly, am not a baseball guy.
by Brendanukkah on
May 13, 2008 3:53 PM EDT
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He's
giving Ross some protection.
by Pops Daniels on
May 13, 2008 3:55 PM EDT
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Considering the theme of this post.....
Do we read anything into the one name missing from that lineup? Well… I”m going to read something into it anyway.
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by TheC on
May 13, 2008 4:52 PM EDT
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i think not
i dont think he’s had a day of in two weeks
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by boobs on
May 13, 2008 5:04 PM EDT
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except for Thursday and Friday of last week
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
by Slyde on
May 13, 2008 5:05 PM EDT
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but then he played 2 on saturday
so…
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by boobs on
May 13, 2008 5:06 PM EDT
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anyway dick,
i was referring to his not getting off on a day the reds played a game. dick
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by boobs on
May 13, 2008 5:07 PM EDT
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stop making excuses for him.
you are an enabler.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
by Slyde on
May 13, 2008 5:09 PM EDT
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Give in to your anger
Or whatever the Emperor says to Luke when he’s got him good and riled up.
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by TheC on
May 13, 2008 6:17 PM EDT
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The .410 is a nice little shot gun,
but it’s a lousy winning percentage.
I’d deal Junior to Seattle in a heartbeat, but doubt a top-notch prospect will come in return. I’d love to have Clement, but would settle for RHP Juan Ramirez or LHP Ryan Rowland-Smith. I’d take much less just to get out from under the contract.
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by Thundering Turtle on
May 13, 2008 3:52 PM EDT
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10 - 4 T. Turtle - Roger that.

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by Madville on
May 14, 2008 12:03 AM EDT
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More B-R fun
The Reds used to have a pitcher named Orval Overall. That is fantastic!
by Brendanukkah on
May 13, 2008 3:56 PM EDT
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Back when RR was telegraphs and smoke signals,
Overall-for-Wicker was The Trade.
by ken on
May 13, 2008 4:03 PM EDT
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that was a good trade, overall
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by boobs on
May 13, 2008 4:07 PM EDT
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At the time it seemed ok
Sort of like a Smoltz for Alexander type deal. Overall was about a .500 pitcher with us with a declining ERA+. Wicker was a veteran, near the end of his career. In fact, he retired after that season, with the Reds finishing sixth in the NL. Not so good. Then Overall turned his career around in Chicago, ending up with a record of 108-71 and a career ERA+ of 122 (in 1909 it was 178). The biggest moment for Overall came when he helped the Cubs win the World Series, pitching in 3 games, including two starts and two wins.
So we kind of did get housed on the Trade.
Of course, now I finally realize that you were just punning on his name. But B-R is just so much fun!
by Brendanukkah on
May 13, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
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At that time it was certainly NOT ok
Overall was already a certified clutch performer. In ‘01 he blocked a punt for a safety against Stanford in The Big Game, leading his Bears in a 2-0 victory.
Of course, we weren’t to know at the time that Wicker would lose his hand in an offseason manufacturing accident.
by ken on
May 13, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
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If Mordecai Brown lost two fingers...
Imagine what I could do without a whole hand!
by Brendanukkah on
May 13, 2008 5:01 PM EDT
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First I thought this diary was a reference to
Chipper Jone’s batting Average.
But he is batting but a mere .406 and he is no friend of mine.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on
May 13, 2008 4:22 PM EDT
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Turns out he is a good hitter, though
Who knew?
by Brendanukkah on
May 13, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
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if you worked at hooters he would be a friend of yours.
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*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.
by justin007000 on
May 13, 2008 4:33 PM EDT
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I would count 1 low level minor league prospect as better than 0

Even my 13 month old granddaughter gets it.
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by Madville on
May 13, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
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but
we would get two sandwich picks if we let him walk. 2 high draft picks is better than one low-level prospect
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by boobs on
May 13, 2008 4:41 PM EDT
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If we offer him arbitration
Which is a bit risky. Plus, he may not be a Type A by the end of this year at the rate he’s going.
by ken on
May 13, 2008 4:49 PM EDT
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i don't think the Reds could offer him arbitration
because there is either a mutal or club option for 2009. I think if they fail to exercise that option they get nothing.
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*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.
by justin007000 on
May 13, 2008 4:59 PM EDT
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well
Rich Aurilia had his option declined and they still offered him arbitration and got a supplemental pick out of it. However, they’d be crazy to offer him arbitration, and he’d be stupid to not accept it.
by Blue on
May 13, 2008 5:17 PM EDT
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well i am wrong, i was mostly making an assumption
I think Griffey could get a handsome contract from another team, although I do believe the rules of arbitration do not allow for more than a 35% reduction in pay, so he probably would make more in arbitration than free agency. But he may relize that his time in Cincinnati has been a bit of a disastor and just want to leave.
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by justin007000 on
May 13, 2008 5:25 PM EDT
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That rule wouldn't apply to Jr.
Just saw this at bbtf, quoting the CBA:
If the Player accepts the offer to arbitrate, he shall be a signed
player for the next season and the parties will conduct a salary arbitration
proceeding under Article VI; provided, however, that the
rules concerning maximum salary reduction set forth in Article VI
shall be inapplicable and the parties shall be required to exchange
figures on the last day established for the exchange of salary arbitration
figures under Article VI.
The 35% salary reduction rule doesn’t apply to free agents (6+ years of service).
by ken on
May 14, 2008 2:42 PM EDT
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I don't think that's right
but I don’t have the authority to back me up or the desire to check the CBA, so I could be wrong. But declining a player option should have nothing to do with a player’s FA status.
by ken on
May 13, 2008 5:25 PM EDT
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I was the only Reds fan at my school in Chicago growing up...
I remember instantly becoming the coolest kid in school the moment the Reds got Griffey.
Needless to say, this was not how I predicted the next 9 years would go.
Needless to say, I would’ve got beaten like a red-headed stepchild from ‘01-’05 if the Reds didn’t fade into irrelevance.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
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May 13, 2008 4:43 PM EDT
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Pre-thread poutpourri
- The word from reds.com on tonight’s FL starter, Mark Hendrickson:
FLA: LHP Mark Hendrickson (5-1, 3.56 ERA)
Hendrickson usually conserves his pitches pretty well. But during his last start on Thursday against the Brewers, he hrew over 60 pitches through three innings and exited with 109 after 4 1/3 innings—being unable to log the required five innings to be eligible to get a win. Still, Hendrickson goes into his start against the Reds having given up three runs or fewer in seven straight starts.
- BA will start Wednesday, on three day’s rest. “That’s old school,” Reds manager Dusty Baker said. “It’s real old school … ancient school. He’s been pretty good on three days’ rest since he’s been here. He’s a pitcher that doesn’t exert a whole bunch of effort. That’s why he can throw more pitches than the average guy. He looks almost effortless when he’s pitching.”
In his career, Arroyo’s started on 3 days rest 6 times, going 35 innings with a 4.11 ERA and allowing 25 K, 10 BB and 5 HR. He’s also coming off a 115-pitch start, and I’m not sure that putting him on short rest is the right move for a guy who may have finally shook off an early season slump.
- An article about the draft doesn’t give us much of an idea as to how the Reds are thinking. They’re prioritizing talent over need, which is good.
by ken on
May 13, 2008 4:47 PM EDT
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i personally think what the Reds should do about the rotation is
demote Belisle to AAA, have Bailey start tomorow and Arroyo on Thursday I don’t know when the last time Bailey pitched, but they should have planned this out after Belisle was whalloped again in his last start. I am happy that Volquez is pitching on Sunday because I have tickets for that day.
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by justin007000 on
May 13, 2008 5:02 PM EDT
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hmm...
Thursday is Bailey’s regular turn, and they for some reason have Arroyo going on three days rest to put Arroyo on the mound Wednesday and Belisle on Thursday…
START THE RAMPANT SPECULATION!!!
by Blue on
May 13, 2008 5:21 PM EDT
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The AntiClog has spoken regarding 3 days rest for Bronson:
Something about “He’s done it before and Arroyo would have been a great pitcher back in the days of the 4 man rotation.
The 4th guy in the row is Kent Murker.
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May 13, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
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I was hoping last season would have put the lie
to the notion that Bronson has a rubber arm and can pitch well no matter how many he’s thrown, or how few days of rest. This terrifies me. If we lose the game, that’s one thing, but stunts like these tend to throw Bronson out of whack for the next four-five starts. Bah!
If only Dusty hadn’t been out pheasant-hunting last year, and had used his offseason to learn about the players he was getting.
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May 13, 2008 5:05 PM EDT
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he did
Bronson Arroyo isn’t a fastball pitcher, most of his pitches are in the high 60’s or 70’s. We know how much easier it is to throw a curveball rather than a fastball, so Dusty knows Bronson.
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May 13, 2008 5:11 PM EDT
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A 6.90 ERA is not sexy!
Well, maybe a little sexy.
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May 13, 2008 5:16 PM EDT
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TACO MEAT FIIIIIILLING ......Together Again!
by Pops Daniels on
May 13, 2008 5:23 PM EDT
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Didn't he used to wear number 69 too?
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
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May 14, 2008 7:41 AM EDT
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THIS TERRIFIES ME
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I really can't see Griffey getting traded till he hits 600
At this rate it seems like it might not be until the ASB when that happens though…
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by Zach K on
May 14, 2008 8:31 AM EDT
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More valuable.
I think he is far more valuable, especially to the Mariners at 598 than at 601. That place would sell out for every home game he was under 600. With their attendance figures right now, they really need a shot in the arm.
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by snohio on
May 14, 2008 9:44 AM EDT
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have you seen our attendance figures lately?
by Daedalus on
May 14, 2008 1:17 PM EDT
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No
His microscope’s been busted.
by Brendanukkah on
May 14, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
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I am sure they are down.
MLB is NOT going to have an increase in attendance again this year.
However, who do you think would draw more people leading up to his 600. I mean he could hit two in one night and be right there now.. And what 12000 people are showing up? I’ll go out on a limb and say – IF Griffey hits his 600 at home (in Cincinnati), it will not be a sell-out crowd.
I think being in Seattle he could draw more people than here and I think it would Jr. would be worth more if he were traded before 600.
I used to want him to hit 600 here, but lately I just don’t care as long as we get a better return for him.
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by snohio on
May 15, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
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i would bet the ranch
the reds won’t sell out the 599 games. i don’t have a ranch, but if i did…
by Daedalus on
May 15, 2008 2:24 PM EDT
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But I bet Seattle would.
Thus making my point that he would be a bigger draw there than here and worth more to them than us.
I am really disappointed that more isn’t made of his 600, it seemed like 500 was bigger.. Maybe they are just waiting for that 598 ball to go over a wall first. I think he has lost a lot of marketability in this town. The media (radio/stupid reporters) have pretty much washed their hands and written off his time here as disappointing but not his fault.
Taking a month to get 3 HRs isn’t helping either.
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by snohio on
May 15, 2008 2:43 PM EDT
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Bring up Bruce , anyway
It is probably too late to move Griffey even if Bob wanted too.
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by Madville on
May 16, 2008 4:40 PM EDT
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Grif may boost Seattle attendance for a few games
J. Bruce will definitely boost the Reds attendance for a few games.
Seattle gets to have Grif’s ‘Final Tour’ in ‘09
We get rid of some salary
We start the ‘Kids’ movement now.
Reds get to win the division in 2009
(Provided of course that a RH banger is brought on board, or someone teaches David lee how to the baseball).
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. - Elizabeth Bishop
by Madville on
May 14, 2008 3:22 PM EDT
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If this is what it takes...
....to finally get Dusty to call up Jay Bruce, do it. Still, like others have said, it’s doubtful that it would happen before Grif hit 600, and then there’s the problem of how much of his contract would the Mariners consume, who would we get in return, etc.? I typically do not like trading players, if you cannot get anything in return, but at this point Griffey is a dead weight, and I would love to see his contract disappear.
by tonywf on
May 14, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
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he might be a little less dead weight after he reaches 600
it took him forever to reach 500 in 2004. I think part of it is he doesn’t really like the attention of reaching these milestones and he wants to get it over with so he can go back to his normal life. Griffey has always seemed uncomfortable with the media, he doesn’t have disdain for the press like Bonds, he seems like a guy who would rather just not have to deal with it. I can understand that, I wouldn’t want the press asking me about my day at the office, well it might be cool at first, but he doesn’t even seem like a dick about it. He seems like a guy who just wants to go about his buisiness in peace.
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by justin007000 on
May 15, 2008 1:21 AM EDT
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Back in the Day when these guys did it - Great players tended to stay with one club for almost their entire carreer. Although Grof has only been here at seattle - he's never had the years here that he could have.

Somehow since Barry bonds – 600 has lost some luster.
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by Madville on
May 15, 2008 2:58 PM EDT
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Mays goes onto Mt. Slugmore
Wearing a Mets hat? Is Aaron gonna be in a Brewers cap?
by Brendanukkah on
May 15, 2008 5:28 PM EDT
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It could be a NY Giants hat, right?
They used almost identical fonts. I can’t seem to find the pic that was photo-shopped from.
Curse and drat, he's outmaneuvered us.
by Man Mountain on
May 16, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
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That's 'here and at Seattle" Christ on a field hockey stick....
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by Madville on
May 15, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
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All I know is that Griffey will go into the HOF with a Mariner's hat

The art of losing isn’t hard to master;
. - Elizabeth Bishop
by Madville on
May 15, 2008 6:12 PM EDT
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Did somebody just teach you how to use Google Image Search?
Your image per post rate has been off the charts lately.
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by Slyde on
May 15, 2008 6:44 PM EDT
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Hi, my name is Madville and I'm a Google search image addict..
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. - Elizabeth Bishop
by Madville on
May 15, 2008 7:41 PM EDT
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Mariner's Hat?

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by 3 Fast 3 Furious on
May 16, 2008 9:00 AM EDT
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Well what a difference a few days make
4 game winning streaK
a winning pct. of .459
only 7 games out
It is going to take a long hard grind to get back in the race. Once again I implore Cool God – Bring up Bruce…ASAP
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. - Elizabeth Bishop
by Madville on
May 16, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
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Wow - 5 in a row now - All we need is Jay
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by Madville on
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