Game 38 Thread: Reds at Mets
Cincinnati Reds at New York Mets, May 11, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
Al Behrman/AP (Cueto), Kevork Djansezian/AP (Perez)
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I never like when the Reds face Perez, but the thing is that it was just 2004 that he dominated them. Since then, the Reds have pretty much owned him, scoring almost 7.5 R/9 in their last 8 meetings.
Hopefully Cueto can build on his last start and lead the Reds to a series win on the road.
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‘cause canadian posts dont count. you know why.
If you don't get a good-night kiss, you get Kafka dreams.
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 11, 2008 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
Because...
...Canadians are second today.
Ryan Freel cf
Joey Votto 1b
Ken Griffey Jr. rf
Brandon Phillips 2b
Edwin Encarnacion 3b
Adam Dunn lf
Jeff Keppinger ss
Paul Bako c
Johnny Cueto p
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Sorry Kepp
Five hits isn’t enough to bump you up in the lineup.
by Brendanukkah on May 11, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess...
...Dusty thinks he’s too skinny.
“He works at it,” Baker said. “He thinks about it. He concentrates. He focuses. He’s trying to maximize his opportunity to play. Boy, that was big, especially for a guy with that slight of build to have that kind of game in the second game after a long, long day night. That shows what kind of shape he’s in.”
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Someone was saying that Keppinger might be prone to breaking down
I hadn’t heard that anywhere else, and now I don’t think Dusty believes it either. Let’s put that particular rumor to rest.
by Brendanukkah on May 11, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope cueto has been practicing his bunting
with kep and bako getting on so much in front of him
by joshuar9476 on May 11, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because of his build?
I dunno, that just seems strange to me. If anything, you’d think skinny guys would hold up better. Not as much mass to lug around.
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Fay's explanation
Freel’s .377 in his starts this year. His overall on-base is .353, a tad lower Keppinger’s (.360) and Freel runs much better.
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I'm not suggesting Kepp should replace Freel as the leadoff man
It would seem that the second slot would be a good place though, and Votto’s power would fit a little more naturally lower in the order. As much as I like getting our good hitters at-bats, it is kind of nice to have a bottom third of the order that just aren’t automatic outs. Bako has been tremendous this year.
Oh, and Freel might be faster, but he doesn’t run better.
by Brendanukkah on May 11, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahhh - Mr. Dustbag - you've seen the light andreturned The Great one to his proper place inthe lineup.
It is common old school thinking that your very best hitter with strong a BA, OBP and power should be hitting 3rd. Meanwhile, Votto is now an unprotected species. Or on the other hand Ken Griffey Jr. should get to bat where ever he wants – I’m surprised that he’s not back in CF yet.
Eeyore has more fun than a Reds fan.
you know who i don't hate .....
players with high socks …..
and moms ….. happy mother’s day to those who apply.
Gray
I’m expecting updates from the Canadian newspapers about what Votto does in games, similar to what Verka’s been providing us from the DR. Don’t disappoint.
I haven't seen any Canadian reports on Votto...
There aren’t too many baseball fans in Montreal ever since Loria killed the Expos.
Where is he from in Canadia?
You're in Montreal
They don’t have polite company there. I learned that from Kids In the Hall. And possibly Vice magazine.
by Brendanukkah on May 11, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Since no one else is around...
CAN YOU BELIEVE FULHAM? Going on a winning streak at the end of the season after being woeful all year and beating Portsmouth in their final game to avoid relegation. Amazing stuff! Fulhamerica lives on to play in the Premiership one more year!
And if stupid Chelsea had been able to take care of business against Bolton, Reading and its Americans would have avoided the drop as well.
Uh-oh
Not off to a fortuitous start here.
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Leaving Bronson in for the 8th last night is looking like a better decision today
Methinks we’ll need bullpen help today and lots of it.
by Brendanukkah on May 11, 2008 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Mets announcers...
...swooning over Volquez.
And at this rate, the Mets will refuse to auction off their “lucky” pink bats.
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Maybe they'll auction off Delgado instead
I bet they’d take what they could get.
by Brendanukkah on May 11, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
according to mets announcers...
Volquez was covering 3rd on that votto throw to 2nd. So yeah, he’s worth swooning over.
and ps, this is AJK from the rijo bit’s new handle.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
I know
But they were talking about Volquez.
Because he’s leading the league in ERA. And because they’re somewhat familiar with him, from his Texas days.
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Beltran doubled in Castillo
Alou doubled and Beltran scored.
It’s Alou’s first extra base hit of the season.
Inning’s over. 3-0 Mets.
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GameDay's back up and running
I’m kind of wishing it wasn’t. C’mon Reds! You’ve got some catching up to do if you’re going to make it four straight games of 14 or more hits.
Keppinger can flat out hit
He reminds one of the Mets announcers of Ty Cobb.
Now they are wondering why Kepp isn’t in the two-hole.
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The Mets announcers are reading us again.
Also, are we to believe that the Mets announcers actually saw Ty Cobb play?
by Brendanukkah on May 11, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
lol just thinking that myself
"When we played softball, I would steal second and then feel guilty and go back" woody allen
He could look like yo' mama!
Happy Mother’s Day.
by Brendanukkah on May 11, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
and she reminds me of ty cobb
"When we played softball, I would steal second and then feel guilty and go back" woody allen
good lord
"When we played softball, I would steal second and then feel guilty and go back" woody allen
Ugh
This is not looking good. Cueto walks the freakin’ pitcher. And then he steals 2B.
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No Hopper for awhile
He’s not even schedule for a rehab assignment yet. They gave him a cortisone shot in the elbow.
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And even if the end result is the same
At least he made the pitcher work for it.
by Brendanukkah on May 11, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Did anyone make mention of Griffey turning Beltran's probable-single into a triple yesterday?
by Nick Papageorgio on May 11, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
In the first game?
I don’t think that’s fair. I thought it took a weird bounce.
The band is just about to get started, so throw the switch it's rock'n'roll time.
by Man Mountain on May 11, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps not a single, but I'd be hard-pressed to find a RF that wouldn't have kept it to a double.
he triple-pump faked the throw back into the IF
by Nick Papageorgio on May 11, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If he had a plus arm he might have kept it a double
but all the runs would’ve scored either way
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by Man Mountain on May 11, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't want to hurt Jr.'s feelings - it is bad enough that he's not been batting 3rd (until today) and isn't back in Centerfield
He isn’t comfortable in RF, so don’t blame him. blame Dustbag.
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I guess I just really want him to hit #600
so he might get traded.
by Nick Papageorgio on May 11, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn - Ollie Perez ain't this good
Take the bat off your should Adam – swing it and hit the baseball – somewhere – Please.
Eeyore has more fun than a Reds fan.
well, he certainly swung
The band is just about to get started, so throw the switch it's rock'n'roll time.
by Man Mountain on May 11, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Was Perez was out of the box on that bunt?
The band is just about to get started, so throw the switch it's rock'n'roll time.
Johnny Cuest is at 77 pitches
Two more innings out of him if we’re lucky.
And his abysmal luck with run support continues. Astounding.
They showed...
...the Pete Rose/Bud Harrelson brawl.

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Blech
Cueto gives up back to back home runs to Beltran and Church.
Bray up in the pen.
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Cueto's off speed stuff has been weak today
The band is just about to get started, so throw the switch it's rock'n'roll time.
Mets announcers...
...say his slider is not ready for prime time. They think he should stick to his “electric” fastball.
Of course, he did that with Perez…and walked him.
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Why?
Why is Beltran so good against us and such a stiff against everyone else?
Beltran's batting average has been low
but hasn’t really been a stiff. He’s been coming out of his “slump” this week.
The band is just about to get started, so throw the switch it's rock'n'roll time.
by Man Mountain on May 11, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Bray makes short work of Delgado
while the Mets guys discuss The Trade. They think it’s “shocking” that the Reds gave up everyday players like Kearns and Lopez just to stock the pen.
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Kepp's 7th straight hit
best since Da Meat Hook’s 9 in ‘01, according to (sic)
The band is just about to get started, so throw the switch it's rock'n'roll time.
Holy crap
Kep triples.
Earlier today, the Reds released this announcement:
Jeff Keppinger’s 6 straight hits are the most by a Reds batter since Adam Dunn produced hits in 7 consecutive at bats from 7/26-7/27 of last season at Houston. No Reds batter has produced more than 7 straight hits since Dmitri Young had hits in 9 consecutive AB from 6/27-6/29, 2001.
Kep’s at 7 now.
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ah, the improbably named Angel Pagan
The band is just about to get started, so throw the switch it's rock'n'roll time.
Holy Manure - Adam Dunn had 7 straight hits - WOW
God damn he needs to get, like 2 straight…and soon.
We definitely need a RH banger in the line to go with EdE and BP.
Eeyore has more fun than a Reds fan.
Pork Chop, Pork Chop. Greasily, Greasily
Damion takes second easily, easily
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crap
Two-out rally by the Mets. With help from the Reds. EE doesn’t get the E, but the Mets announcers think he should have. And a wild pitch by Burton.
And Bako’s out of the game. We’re doomed.
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Well, I never saw that one coming.
No way, Freel getting picked off 1st in an 8-3 game.
At least it wasn't Grady Little.
by Paul Householder on May 11, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions
Freel proves Brendan is right
Freel may be fast, but he’s not a good baserunner.
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kepp 2-2?
does that set a reds record or something after his 5-5?
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
And Schoeneweis is pulled...
...so they can bring in a lefty to face the mighty Keppinger.
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Arrgh
I meant bring in a righty, of course.
And Patterson’s in the on-deck circle if Kepp gets on…
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we need a sidearm pitcher...
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
Streak is over
Joe Smith strikes out Keppinger.
And the Mets announcers wonder why Dusty wanted to pinch-hit Patterson instead of Hatteberg.
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At least Freel is trying to make it happen...
... everyone else looks bored.
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on May 11, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions
after a 123 inning by affeldt
we put in weathers?
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
crap, wasnt 123
but still…
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
I want pink shoes...
...like Reyes has.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
why isnt he using a pink bat too?
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
superstitious, maybe
A lot of players only use the pink bats for batting practice, because they want to use their “lucky” bats for the game.
And sometimes the company can’t fill all the orders in time, and some players don’t get pink bats.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
The Reds batted out of order
What next.
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unreal
The band is just about to get started, so throw the switch it's rock'n'roll time.
by Man Mountain on May 11, 2008 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think I've ever seen this before
In a pro game.
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I haven't either
Ross will get to make an out twice in a row.
The band is just about to get started, so throw the switch it's rock'n'roll time.
by Man Mountain on May 11, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
or get a hit
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
Also
In a incredibly symbolic moment, Patterson gets credited with an out without even stepping to the plate,
The band is just about to get started, so throw the switch it's rock'n'roll time.
by Man Mountain on May 11, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're scoring at home
Who gets the put out?
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Nope, he gets a hit
And he didn’t make that first out. Corey Patterson gets charged with that. :-D
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i think the royals did it a few years ago
The Dusty Path to the World Series!*
*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.
by justin007000 on May 11, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Over at Fay's blog
Someone said the Cubs did it while playing the Reds. When the Cubs’ manager was…Dusty Baker.
I think that settles the question of whose fault it is.
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that was a little different
Baker fucked up a double switch. He failed to notify the umpire. Bench Coach Jerry Narron caught it. Dave Miley and Dusty Baker were ejected that day.
The Dusty Path to the World Series!*
*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.
by justin007000 on May 11, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Dusty's more of a big picture man, not a details guy
For those keeping track, that’s 2.8 more years of big picture thinking we’ve got left.
by Brendanukkah on May 11, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Big picture guys are fine
But if he’s a big picture guy, he needs a bench coach who’s a details guy.
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Dusty
said he also did it as a player. He batted out of turn so someone else took an out. he then came up a second time and hit a 3 run homer
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
so this was really tricky stradegy
the reds should have hit Castro in front of Dunn, let Dunn bat for Castro, get the out, see the pitches, and than take his hacks.
The Dusty Path to the World Series!*
*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.
by justin007000 on May 11, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the article
Narron earns Reds free out: Bench coach/acting manager caught Cubs with an illegal substitution
Dusty was ejected for arguing about it.
Amusingly, some over at Fay’s blog are calling for the return of Jerry Narron. Most of the rest want Mackanin back.
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hey i need to trade mark that
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
that phrase is ubiquitous
The band is just about to get started, so throw the switch it's rock'n'roll time.
by Man Mountain on May 11, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm no patent lawyer
but MM is correct: a phrase in common usage does not get trademark protection
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
awwwwwwww

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
how on earth does chris think
fistbands should be absolved of all responsibility here?
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
LOL
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
so whos fault is this?
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
I vote for the manager
He’s the one who knows if he’s making a double switch or not.
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what the hell is there to complain about?
The band is just about to get started, so throw the switch it's rock'n'roll time.
I thought the play counted
if it wasn’t brought to the attention prior to a pitch
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
Hey Pedro!
Pedro Feliciano!
/mambo’d
The band is just about to get started, so throw the switch it's rock'n'roll time.
if the mets manger had been smart he would have let patterson batt
out of order too
"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols
perfect ending for a team
that doesnt seem to care about winning
by cokane on May 11, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
also fitting for a team with poor roster and lineup construction
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by Man Mountain on May 11, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
they do when they tend to have CP at the top
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by Man Mountain on May 11, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
batting out of order
6.07 BATTING OUT OF TURN.
(a) A batter shall be called out, on appeal, when he fails to bat in his proper turn, and another batter completes a time at bat in his place.
(1) The proper batter may take his place in the batter’s box at any time before the improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and any balls and strikes shall be counted in the proper batter’s time at bat.
(b) When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and the defensive team appeals to the umpire before the first pitch to the next batter of either team, or before any play or attempted play, the umpire shall (1) declare the proper batter out; and (2) nullify any advance or score made because of a ball batted by the improper batter or because of the improper batter’s advance to first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter or otherwise.
NOTE: If a runner advances, while the improper batter is at bat, on a stolen base, balk, wild pitch or passed ball, such advance is legal.
(c) When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and a pitch is made to the next batter of either team before an appeal is made, the improper batter thereby becomes the proper batter, and the results of his time at bat become legal.
(d) (1) When the proper batter is called out because he has failed to bat in turn, the next batter shall be the batter whose name follows that of the proper batter thus called out;
(2) When an improper batter becomes a proper batter because no appeal is made before the next pitch, the next batter shall be the batter whose name follows
Rule 6.07
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that of such legalized improper batter. The instant an improper batter’s actions are legalized, the batting order picks up with the name following that of the legalized improper batter.
Rule 6.07 Comment: The umpire shall not direct the attention of any person to the presence in the batter’s box of an improper batter. This rule is designed to require constant vigilance by the players and managers of both teams.
There are two fundamentals to keep in mind: When a player bats out of turn, the proper batter is the player called out. If an improper batter bats and reaches base or is out and no appeal is made before a pitch to the next batter, or before any play or attempted play, that improper batter is considered to have batted in proper turn and establishes the order that is to follow.
APPROVED RULING
To illustrate various situations arising from batting out of turn, assume a first-inning batting order as follows:
Abel-Baker-Charles-Daniel-Edward-Frank-George-Hooker-Irwin.
PLAY (1). Baker bats. With the count 2 balls and 1 strike, (a) the offensive team discovers the error or (b) the defensive team appeals. RULING: In either case, Abel replaces Baker, with the count on him 2 balls and 1 strike.
PLAY (2). Baker bats and doubles. The defensive team appeals (a) immediately or (b) after a pitch to Charles. RULING: (a) Abel is called out and Baker is the proper batter; (b) Baker stays on second and Charles is the proper batter.
PLAY (3). Abel walks. Baker walks. Charles forces Baker. Edward bats in Daniel’s turn. While Edward is at bat, Abel scores and Charles goes to second on a wild pitch. Edward grounds out, sending Charles to third. The defensive team appeals (a) immediately or (b) after a pitch to Daniel. RULING: (a) Abel’s run counts and Charles is entitled to second base since these advances were not made because of the improper batter batting a ball or advancing to first base. Charles must return to second base because his advance to third resulted from the improper batter batting a ball. Daniel is called out, and Edward is the proper batter; (b) Abel’s run counts and Charles stays on third. The proper batter is Frank.
PLAY (4). With the bases full and two out. Hooker bats in Frank’s turn, and triples, scoring three runs. The defensive team appeals (a) immediately, or (b) after a pitch to George. RULING: (a) Frank is called out and no runs score. George is the proper batter to lead off the second inning; (b) Hooker stays on third and three runs score. Irwin is the proper batter.
PLAY (5). After Play (4)(b) above, George continues at bat. (a) Hooker is picked off third base for the third out, or (b) George flies out, and no appeal is made. Who is the proper leadoff batter in the second inning? RULING: (a) Irwin. He became the proper batter as soon as the first pitch to George legalized Hooker’s triple; (b) Hooker. When no appeal was made, the first pitch to the leadoff batter of the opposing team legalized George’s time at bat.
PLAY (6). Daniel walks and Abel comes to bat. Daniel was an improper batter, and if an appeal is made before the first pitch to Abel, Abel is out, Daniel is removed from base, and Baker is the proper batter. There is no appeal, and a pitch is made to Abel. Daniel’s walk is now legalized, and Edward thereby becomes the proper batter. Edward can replace Abel at any time before Abel is put out or becomes a runner. He does not do so. Abel flies out, and Baker comes to bat. Abel was an improper batter, and if an appeal is made before the first pitch to Baker, Edward is out, and the proper batter is Frank. There is no appeal, and a pitch is made to Baker. Abel’s out is now legalized, and the proper batter is Baker. Baker walks. Charles is the proper batter. Charles flies out. Now Daniel is the proper batter, but he is on second base. Who is the proper batter? RULING: The proper batter is Edward. When the proper batter is on base, he is passed over, and the following batter becomes the proper batter.
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
lose 2 out of 3
and have double digit hits in each game. It really looks like this team is incapable of sustaining any sort of consistent level of play. I’m not sure what it will take for this team to get it together.
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
The Mets or the Reds having "double digit hits"?
The Reds only had seven hits today.
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by Man Mountain on May 11, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well well well, another adventure with Dustbag and the boys
What will they think of next – Chuckle
Maybe a little Jim Boutin – wrong way base running.
Or possibly throwing the ball to a fan after the 2nd out (thinking that it is the 3rd out of the inning) while the opposition empties the bases…
Those Zany Reds and their Toothpickin’ manager are sure a Hoot – catch them tomorrow for more Fun, Hijinx and shenanigans!
Eeyore has more fun than a Reds fan.
we fucking suck
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah
so...
i was thinking today about Cueto and whats going on with him. he’s been getting hit pretty hard, it seems, of late. checking his numbers, his peripherals look fantastic. great K/BB, strong WHIP, but he is giving up alot of homers and big hits. his stuff has been good, obviously, but he’s making too many mistakes that turn into souvenirs. is this something that hopefully can be worked out in his ‘pen sessions or would a month in AAA be good for him? i honestly dont know, and im afraid me thinking about a demotion is a knee-jerk panic move. i think i just want so badly for him to succeed that im over-analyzing. what do you all think?
If you don't get a good-night kiss, you get Kafka dreams.
by Charlie Scrabbles on May 11, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
I think you have to let him learn in the Majors
He has control of his pitches, as evidenced by his K-rate and his BB-rate. We have to remember that he is still only 22 and he’s going to take his lumps. Unless he’s having some confidence issues, I’m not real sure spending more time in the Minors will solve anything. I think he’s to the point that he needs to learn to get Major League hitters out. They are different style pitchers, but Greg Maddux was 6-14 with a ERA+ as a 21-year old. Tom Glavine was 7-17 with an ERA+ of 80 at age 22. Obviously they are just two examples (SMALL SAMPLE ALERT), but I don’t think there is anything wrong with letting him figure things out in the big leagues.
This case is different than Bailey, who I felt could use more time in the Minors to get his pitches under control. It seems to me that Cueto’s problem may be more one of strategy, and that’s something he’ll have to deal with in the Majors. Bailey’s problems were as much skill as strategy. Once he refines the skill, which it looks like he’s been doing, he can come to Majors and develop the strategy.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
by Slyde on May 11, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cueto
if strategy includes keeping the ball down I totally agree. I think the kid will be just fine but we will have some serious growing pains this season.
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
Show me that smile again. (Show me that smile)
Don’t waste another minute on your cryin.
We’re nowhere near the end (nowhere near)
The best is ready to begin.
"Hard being everybody’s hero, I suppose." - Buck O'Neil on Willie Mays
yeah i dig
i guess i just dont really trust this team to do anything right, especially something so crucial as the development of a potential ace. Cueto’s stats (save the ERA and such) are pretty remarkable, rookie or not. and its just not the stats, i mean, im no professional scout or nothin’, but he just LOOKS special. his fastball dives at 95 mph. his changeup is silly. i guess i just need to know that the Reds will do right by him. im a worrier. just like my mom. Happy Mother’s Day!
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by Charlie Scrabbles on May 11, 2008 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i feel like i remebered reading that Cueto would have some problems this year
because he makes mistakes in the strike zone that didn’t hurt him in the Minors. But it does hurt him in the majors. Cueto has shown all he needs to in the Minors the only way he will learn is to do it in the big leagues. Very few pitchers (or players in general) have daziling rookie years, the ones who do have extradoniry talent and refinement, or just extradoniry refinement as is probably the case with Jeremy Sowers.
The Dusty Path to the World Series!*
*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.
by justin007000 on May 11, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully Dunns mom didn't listen to the radio on mothers day
Marty had a field day on him once again…and for the record I don’t “hate” Dunn I am just not a fan of his…if that makes any sense.
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Rusty
How many times did Rustys homeboy “K”orey strike out in that one at bat ?

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