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Some Offday Thoughts

I've been pretty busy lately... So busy in fact that, although all three Reds games against the Cardinals were televised... (That makes 4 Reds games available on TV total so far for me this year), I was able to catch about a total of 2 innings. Anyways, one of the things that I've been busy with is umpiring, and it really opened my eyes up to a whole new part of the sport. Because this is my first year of umping, I've been doing the 10-12 or so age groups and have really noticed a few things... Some parents are total dicks.

I know a lot of people on here are parents... mostly relatively new at that, so I just want to weigh in and say that until high school... sports should be about learning and having fun, not about winning... A lot of those kids were only there cuz there parents forced them to play. Teach mechanics, not competition. And for God's sake... Don't let them throw a curve before they're around 15 or 16, and even then might be a bit early...

I also have to admit that umping (especially behind the plate) is a lot harder than it looks...

Oh yeah... GO REDS!!!!

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Competition isn't the problem.

My own favorite sporting moments I had in my childhood were all a result of winning. Losing is no fun, and telling kids that losing doesn’t matter isn’t gonna make it fun. That’s not to say mechanics aren’t important or that kids should be taught curves when they’re 11, but competition is still an integral part of a child’s sporting experience. And eliminating the competitive spirit isn’t going to stop parents from being dicks about their kids.

by Geki on May 1, 2008 8:14 PM EDT   0 recs

You do fail!

The idea should be that kids need to learn to accept failure, not that they shouldn’t fail at all. That’s the problem with all the “everyone’s a winner and gets a trophy” shenanigans.

by Geki on May 1, 2008 10:37 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

I agree 100%

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by Zach K on May 2, 2008 6:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

losing doesn't = failure

sometimes you just get beat. Failing to execute doesn’t mean you “choked” in what ever venue. I hated losing but you learn how to accept it, and I believe that by losing you also learn how to become a winner. Was Ernie Banks a failure?

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on May 2, 2008 10:09 AM EDT to parent up   1 recs

Amen, brother.

A few years back I wrote a column condemning he “everyone gets a trophy” practice. You would have thought I had shot someone’s dog.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on May 2, 2008 12:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well did you?

I hear that’s what journalists do for fun during their down time. That and crafting new forms of the “mom’s basement” jokes.

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by Slyde on May 2, 2008 12:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

One of my coworkers...

...loves sports. He’s been a total sport nut, ever since he was a kid (and he’s now old enough to be a grandfather). He coached youth sports for years, but has given up on boys’ sports the past few years. He just can’t take the crazy, competitive parents. Even in T-ball, they’re already thinking about college scholarships and big-league contracts.

He now coaches only girls’ sports. Basketball, volleyball, softball. He says it’s much less crazy. Probably because there’s not much money in women’s sports. I really think it’s the money that’s driven so many parents over the edge.

Though girls’ sports is not immune. Another of my coworkers had trouble getting her daughter signed up for girls’ basketball. The kid was only eight years old, but the coach didn’t want her, because her mom, my coworker, was less than 5’ tall. He just took one look at the mom, and said the kid would never be a basketball player. My coworker would not take no for an answer, though. Her daughter never got very tall, but she became a very good basketball player. She made all-state team in high school.

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by BubbaFan on May 1, 2008 8:30 PM EDT   0 recs

I've been on both sides in youth sports

I umpired baseball in my late teens and off-and-on in my 20s, and I coached my nephew in baseball and soccer.

Funny thing is I think my umping experience made me a bit tougher on the officials, at least on the obvious lazy ones, or the ones that didn’t know how to interpret the game (especially in soccer). I was the weird coach who would get mad at the official when they DIDN’T call a foul on one of MY players because I wanted the kids to learn what they can and can’t do on the field….and especially in the case of youth soccer, it was for the kids safety.

And I agree, parents can be total dicks. The worst I dealt with though were parents and coaches during an All-Star T-BALL tournament. They were the worst imaginable. Of course, maybe it was because they were from Franklin…:) Apologies to any RR readers from that wondrous metropolis, but these people made your town look bad.

crolfer, my best advice on umping (besides to make sure to wear a cup!) is this: Stay consistent. No matter what your strike zone is (although it should be big unless you enjoy umping a walk-fest), make sure a strike in the first inning is a strike in the fifth inning. Most coaches will appreciate it.

Oh, and don’t have an arrogant attitude. Be willing to ask the other ump for help if the coaches request it, and be willing to admit the occasional mistake.

by cesarhernandez on May 1, 2008 8:58 PM EDT   0 recs

Great Convo Piece

I am a Cinti local Freshman BBall coach at an inner city High School as well as an 8th grade AAU coach at the highest AAU level.

It is phenomenal to see most of these parents be knuckle-heads. I do my best to acommidate everyone, no get everyone to like me as a coach, but just to make sure I am being fair and open.

Sadly for many of these inner city kids there are not many parents around so dealing with them does not exist. I have yet to had any run ins or problems with parents at this school yet. In fact I have not even heard about any problems from anyone in our coaching staff. It is nice to have this however on the flip side there is no one pushing these kids to succeed in anything, sports/school/other extracurriculars, out side of their teachers and coaches. It is a sad fact but many times I have had to take a role in some of these kids lives I wish I never had, and would have never had to if they had more of a family support system. I can vent all about this however, thanks for voting yes on the CPS levy if you did, it kept me with a job and kept many kids in sports. Without it passing they were getting rid of freshman and JV sports in everything and only going to have one sport per gender per season.

On the other end, coaching AAU ball I am getting kids from all walks of life but the one thing that really gets me is the parents that are pushing these kids into too much, one boy is playing 3 sports currently, and then they are not happy about our success on the court. Once again I can vent all day, but it is an interesting business to be in.

One suggestion along cesarhernandez’s lines, don’t think just because you have power over the game that doesn’t make you high and mighty to the coach. One thing that drives me nuts is a ref/ump that is disrespectful to a coach, hear the coach out, let him vent then just be consistent. If I had that in officials I would never had any T’s.

by kennythered on May 1, 2008 9:42 PM EDT   0 recs

Well as some of u know I coached select soccer for 13 years

a few years of basket ball and a couple of Knot Hole.
Playing is more fun when kids work hard and therfore play hard.
Winning is about learning to work hard, play hard and to get along w/your teamates
Truly,
I would tell parents at the beginning of every season what was expected of their kids and more importantly what was expected of them, the parents. Pull for every kid on your team and the opposition players too
Give the refs a break, find the positives…
You don’t like how I coach then come to EVERY practice and help me, learn from and I’ll do the same. To my players: Everybody plays in every game,There’s no penalty for mistakes, Play as hard at practrice as you would in a game.
Play your heart out, leave it on the field, you may not win that specific game but you can sleep at night, you can look your teamates and oppossing players in the eye and feel that you’ve done you’re best. That’s what we worked for, That really was a new kind of fun for my players.
Although I stressed winning, I pushed hard for the kids to play hard, to play smart and to play to each other’s strengths. To learn the game and to know their limits. and to grow beyond those limits as much as they could.
Over 13years my teams were fortunate nough to win more games than any other teams in our Club, more high level tournaments and I sent 17 girls to play college soccer, 3 to play college softball and 1 to Dennison where she played women’s rugby. They did it, all we (my trainer and I) did was provide a consistent environment.for the girls to grow in. there days when we’d all be so blah that we’d stop the practice and go down the street and eat UDF ice cream and just plain ‘blow it off’’. That was fun too.
Finally I would end by saying I agree with the spirit of Crolfer, its about learning and having fun. A you young parents guess what some kids just aren’t interested. they’re not wired to play ball. That’s OK too.

"I'm not a gearhead at all" Danica

by Madville on May 1, 2008 10:14 PM EDT   0 recs

+1

Good Stuff

by kennythered on May 1, 2008 10:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Question, for cesar too

I don’t want you to have to generalize too much from your experience, but are parents at soccer games as bad as those at baseball games? I would imagine they aren’t, if only because there’s less soccer tradition is this country so passions might be lessened. Also few parents in the U.S. dream of those big soccer bucks rolling in. Am I way off base here?

by Red Menace on May 1, 2008 10:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually the parents can be as bad

but when you’re a soccer ref, it’s easier to ignore them, because you’re running up and down the pitch a lot and not stuck in one place, like when you are umping home plate.

Also the soccer parents are bad in a different way. The big problem is that there’s an amazing lack of understanding about soccer, and the offsides rule, and how fouls/yellow cards are issued. Bad baseball parents at least know the sport, but they ride the umps about balls/strikes, close calls. Bad soccer parents are just pretty ignorant, and often don’t really know what they’re mad about.

And speaking from days covering high school sports for a small newspaper, the worst acting parents at that level are soccer parents, easily. I think its because many of the kids on the best teams come from privileged backgrounds because their parents can afford the huge cash outlay for select teams.

by cesarhernandez on May 1, 2008 11:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I reffed soccer

for a year when I was 13. I don’t usually thrive at making decisions quickly, which seems pretty essential for an ump or ref, and then I coudn’t handle the pressure from the parents when my indecision led to blowing some calls. But hell, I was 13!

My only advice as sombody with a little experience in stripes is don’t feel like you have to make the call the split second the play happens. Take a deep breath, quickly evaluate what happend, make the best decision based on the information you have.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on May 2, 2008 9:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

As for big soccer bucks

I don’t think they dream of the big professional dollars, but I guarantee you many soccer parents dream of getting college paid for with a good scholarship somewhere.

by cesarhernandez on May 1, 2008 11:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I suppose this is as good a place as any

Juan Castro has four teams after him. Seriously? Juan Castro?

by Geki on May 1, 2008 10:51 PM EDT   0 recs

And the really silly part

is why couldn’t Jocketty close a deal to trade Castro to one of these four teams instead of letting him go for free? Krivsky said he was working on something with the Dodgers. Heck, some A-ball scrub would be fine with me.

by cesarhernandez on May 1, 2008 11:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Dodgers?

Gawd, I could see that. He’s just Torre’s type.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on May 1, 2008 11:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bullshat

My favorite little league memories werent about winning, or even playing the game. My favorite memory was riding my bike to the park for practice. The camradarie, friendships, laughter and balls out effort at learning the game.

Sorry if its unpopular, but many parents today are dicks. It doesnt matter who wins the game, and taunting seems to be an issue in younger age groups more and more.

Now before you attack, understand I played at a very high level through high school. I umpired once I became old enough to ride a moped to the games. And I was a coach for numerous leagues for my kids. I know of what I speak.

I think any parents ridiculing a kid umpire should immediately be tossed from the stands. Give me a break, why dont the parents just ump the games if its so easy to be right on every call. I had to run parents 20 years ago, b/c they were trying to intimidate me….a teenager. Yeah, thats strong…and a good lesson for the kids playing the game. Bitch and moan, and it might make a difference in the outcome of a game!!!

As a kid one of my favorite memories was actually playing games with a cast on my left hand. I put the mitt on the opposite hand to play the field…and i batted gripping the bat with only one hand…pretty much. Now, I am embarrassed. I shouldnt have been allowed to take the field. Just think of the poor kid whose position i had to take (i couldnt play short that summer) and he had to go to the bench, for the kid in a cast, and his parents were in the stands every game. UGH!

Food for thought….

by obc2 on May 2, 2008 1:41 AM EDT   0 recs

Off day, kind of about sports

My coworker told me today that she’s sending her daughter to volleyball camp. At the Naval Academy.

Makes sense.

by Brendanukkah on May 2, 2008 3:16 AM EDT   0 recs

They've got some good players there

but you have to catch them at dusk since that’s mainly when they play.

It gets crazy on the road, and awful lonely. That's why I love pornography. This next song is all about my love of hardcore, barely legal pornography.

by Slyde on May 2, 2008 7:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Kenny Loggins

is always playin’ in the stereo of my mind.

by Pops Daniels on May 2, 2008 4:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey Crolfer

You close to those storms that are rolling through out there? Keep your head down!!

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on May 2, 2008 1:13 PM EDT   0 recs

Oh, I'm used to 'em... Every year... :P

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on May 2, 2008 4:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Heh.

Reminds me of this.

I don't know how to paint a banana gourd to look like a Power Ranger.

by Fat Vegas Alan on May 2, 2008 4:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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