Reds lose 5-3, post-game wrap
by boobs
on Apr 7, 2008 3:35 PM EDT
Not a lot of positives to glean from today's game. The pen was excellent, and dusty's overmanagement in the ninth almost worked. Other than that, it was a good day for a non-TV game.
That lineup was atrocious. Freel, Hopper, Castro, Bako, no Griffey, no Votto or Hatteberg... just atrocious. It's not the team I get excited to watch every day. That being said, Dunn and Edwin continue their early swoon, Phillips continues to swing for the moon and, most importantly, Bronson never really gave the offense a chance to make it a game. I'm sure it's a little disconcerting when your starting pitcher gives up four homers in the first three innings. I know his (and Harang's) home run tendencies have a lot to do with GABP, but fruck, come on. Four in the first three innings is too many.
The good news: Johnny Cueto takes the mound tomorrow to face Jeff Suppan in Milwaukee. I like our chances there.
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First!
Now we'll win for sure.
The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!
by TheC on Apr 7, 2008 3:40 PM EDT 0 recs
jeff suppan world series rings: 1
johny cueto world series rings: 0
we are doomed
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Apr 7, 2008 3:54 PM EDT 1 recs
Last year at a Nats-Brewers game
the guy behind me kept telling me how great a pitcher Jeff Suppan was. Then he spilled a beer on my head.
Ergo, I hate Jeff Suppan.
by Brendanukkah on
Apr 7, 2008 3:55 PM EDT
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He won the LCS MVP!
I know it's not the WS MVP, but it is an acronym so it must been good!
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on
Apr 7, 2008 3:58 PM EDT
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So is NAMBLA
Wanna try to defend that acronym? Maybe with a graph? :)
Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.
by jch24 on
Apr 7, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
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National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes?
Illusions Michael. Tricks are what whores do for money...and candy.
by Steve Holt on
Apr 7, 2008 4:09 PM EDT
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My favorite part is this Suppan quote:
"Amendment 2 claims it bans human cloning, but in the 2,000 words you don't read, it makes cloning a constitutional right. Don't be deceived."
It's a good thing we have constitutional law scholars like Jeff Suppan to keep us from being snookered by crazy cloning doctors.
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by andromache on
Apr 7, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
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To be fair
I'm against the cloning of Missourians too.
by Brendanukkah on
Apr 7, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
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Or you can look at it this way...
..The Reds are 4-3 against two good teams despite two of the Reds' five starters throwing up this collective line:
Aroyo and Fogg: 3 GS , 15.2 IP , 13 ER, 18 H, 6 BB, 7 HR
IMMIC...That's a 7.46 ERA and a 1.53 WHIP. And that's seven home runs allowed even though these guys have only faced liked 70 batters. So that's almost one home run every time through an opponent's lineup. Ugh.
And yet (even with injured catchers and even with Dunn and Edwin struggling)... WE'RE WINNING!
SMILE!
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Apr 7, 2008 5:12 PM EDT
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What?
You're dissing Bako? The .294-hitting, .400 OBP Bako? Who was 1 for 3 with a double, a walk, and a run scored?
He did his job today. The bottom of the 9th was pretty exciting. I almost thought they were going to do it.
The lineup did all right against a pretty good southpaw. The problem was the four homers Arroyo gave up. That boy don't like pitching in daylight, does he?
by BubbaFan on Apr 7, 2008 5:05 PM EDT 0 recs
Yeah thats right baby
Bako h8ers get in line. Chew on those digits stat heads, he is the heart of the scrap iron lineup.
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by The Crushinator on
Apr 7, 2008 11:03 PM EDT
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Recovery time.
It doesn't give him enough time to recover from the previous night..
-Do not play golf behind Dave Parker.
by snohio on
Apr 8, 2008 10:40 AM EDT
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Team Evaluation (using stats)
The average MLB team scored 4.8 runs per game last year, http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggregate?statType=batting&group=9. So, would it be fair to say that for an offense to be evaluated as a success, it needs to score 5 (or more) runs a game and for the pitching and defense to be evaluated a success it would need to allow 4 (or less) runs a game?
Using that criteria, the offense and pitching/defense both let us down today.
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by redandblue on Apr 7, 2008 5:07 PM EDT 0 recs
The average NL team was 12-7 when scoring 5 runs last year
And they were 13-10 when allowing 4 runs. Those are the first positive records on either side of the spectrum. Those should be your minimum goals when the game starts.
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by Slyde on
Apr 7, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
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Thanks!
Do you have any idea how many runs the starter should allow versus the bullpen? I would guess 3 for the SP and 1 for the bullpen. But, my means of evaluation is "that sounds right".
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by redandblue on
Apr 7, 2008 6:13 PM EDT
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In the grand scheme of things
I'm not sure it matters, but ideally you'd like to allow both sides some space for mistakes, so 3-1 or 2-2 is probably a safe bet. Remember though we are really saying that any runs below 4 is good, so less runs would be even better. If the Reds can do that more often, that'd be great. Last season, they were 52-22 when they allowed 4 or fewer runs. The problem is that they had the second fewest games of 4 or fewer runs allowed in the NL last year, bettering only Pittsburgh who were 55-17 in those games.
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by Slyde on
Apr 7, 2008 8:06 PM EDT
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Hey,
I am looking for the thread with the comment about the top 10 rap songs that white people like, but I can't remember which post it is in. Anyone?
There are just too many comments on this blog.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Apr 7, 2008 5:24 PM EDT 0 recs
and the thread
Here it is if you wanted our swell comments.
http://www.redreporter.com/2008/4/5/390071/reds-beat-phillies-4-3-pos#4397506
by Red Menace on
Apr 7, 2008 9:38 PM EDT
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After a Week
On the whole, I am impressed. The good: Cueto and Volquez had sensational debuts and they clearly belong here. Harang has been very good. I like the bullpen a lot and also the defense and greater fundamental play. I think solid SP, bullpen work and defense are the pillars of a good team.
The bad: Fogg, but I'm not worried about him. They have Belisle and Bailey to take his spot of he falters. Also, Arroyo is a bigger concern because we're stuck with him. He may need to go against lesser competition; not sure he's our no. 2 guy. I' m worried about the offense's poor performance, but I think hitting is streaky, and that our hitters will ultimately hit their normal numbers, with Phillips perhaps declining, and EdE surpassing 20 HRs.
On the whole: I'll take this team. Good start against two good teams.
by jamesp50014 on Apr 7, 2008 7:09 PM EDT 0 recs
I am not that worried about Arroyo
I am predicing about 200 inings, and an ERA in the low 4's. I think 2006 was a career year for him. But 200 innings with an ERA in the low 4's is not bad, and slightly above average pitchers don't grow on trees.
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by justin007000 on
Apr 7, 2008 7:57 PM EDT
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Potentially...
Cueto and/or Volquez could fill the Nos. 2 and 3 holes. Arroyo would make a good No. 4 starter. Of course Dusty says he likes splitting up the Cueto and Volquez... Also there's that fact that we are only one week into a 26-week season. And it seems like every year we get some Coutlangous but it just doesn't lead anywhere...
But this year there's that feel of promise. And coming out above .500 after starting against two division winners is better than going 6-1 against the Pirates and Nationals.
by riverfront on
Apr 7, 2008 8:48 PM EDT
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or 3-4 against the Pirates and Nats
The only thing that bothers me so far on Arroyo is the HRs, but then he's a flyball pitcher in a HR park against a HR hitting team. They have 5 guys in their lineup that have had a 30 HR season and Pedro Feliz hit 20 last year while playing half his games in one the hardest HR parks in the NL. These kinds of games will happen. It just sucks that it happened on a day when the Reds were unable to return fire.
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by Slyde on
Apr 7, 2008 9:00 PM EDT
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I was kind of expecting the offense we got
Ole King Cole is pretty good. And it seems like the Reds don't do that well against lefties. I think the lineup we got today was the "lefty lineup." Freel instead of Patterson, Kep instead of Hatteberg/Votto, Hopper instead of Jr.
Nice that Vott's getting his shot, but it kind of leaves a hole in the right-handed power hitting department.
by BubbaFan on
Apr 7, 2008 9:23 PM EDT
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And Castro fixes that?
I don't think that's what you are saying, but putting Castro in for Votto or Hatteberg is never the right answer. I don't care who is pitching.
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by Slyde on
Apr 7, 2008 9:31 PM EDT
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No
I didn't say I liked the lineup. I just understand the reasoning.
Last year, this would have been a day for Conine. This year, it's a day for Castro.
I really don't think this "double lefty platoon" at 1B is going to work.
by BubbaFan on
Apr 7, 2008 10:00 PM EDT
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Pining for your boy Andy, huh?
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by Slyde on
Apr 7, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
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I like Andy...
...but I'm not sure he's the answer. As I've noted here more than once, his splits are reversed in the big leagues. He struggles against big league southpaws, even though he smokes them in the minors.
I just don't think a platoon of two lefties is a good idea. The Reds had a problem against lefties last year, and it's one thing that hasn't really been addressed. Too bad Jorge Cantu and Craig Wilson didn't work out.
Though speaking of Andy, I might go see him in Scranton tomorrow. I'm kind of annoyed that the Bats play at Scranton so early in the season (and so soon after I drove to Florida and back). But this week will be my only chance to see the Baby Bombers play the Baby Reds.
by BubbaFan on
Apr 7, 2008 10:11 PM EDT
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Be sure to catch Scrantonicity II while you're there
Also, wouldn't Castro look good in pinstripes right about now?
by ken on
Apr 8, 2008 9:09 AM EDT
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I'm with you
I wasn't really surprised by the line-up. The Dodger Way got his split with an out of division team and will have his regulars rested for the NL Central stretch.
/hoping this is strategy
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by Man Mountain on
Apr 7, 2008 10:08 PM EDT
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I knew Jerry when
Today was a Narron getaway day lineup. Maybe Dusty found it under his desk. It just didn't have enough to keep up with the Phil HRs. If Dunn and EdE are hitting better then the Reds would have had more of a shot.
But you gotta think Arroyo will improve. And if the other pitchers do their share he may have less pressure on him. And he did keep the bases pretty empty.
by riverfront on
Apr 7, 2008 9:32 PM EDT
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here's the problem with today's lineup
if it's the "lefty lineup", you might as well call it "shit" instead. because that's basically what it is. the whole problem is the makeup of the bench. our bench dudes are all pretty worthy of their roster spots (except for castro, natch) but as a group there is just too much redundancy. with a healthy freel, we dont need hopper. votto/hatteberg is the dumbest thing ever. either send votto down and bring up andy phillips, or trade hatteberg and bring up andy phillips. there are no righty bats with pop on this bench, and we need exactly that if we are to face down lefties like hamels. why didnt we trade stanton for wes helms?
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by Charlie Scrabbles on
Apr 7, 2008 9:32 PM EDT
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yeah
That's pretty much what I meant. It's not that the bench is awful, it's more like they're a poor fit. The sum is less than the parts.
I wonder if it's true that other teams are eager to trade for Hatteberg, but the Reds won't do it?
Maybe they're afraid Votto can't cut it, and don't want to trade Hatteberg until they're sure Votto will be okay?
by BubbaFan on
Apr 7, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
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i dont understand this lineup tinkering
Like you said in the post, Castro batting 2nd? what is the deal there? Freel and Hopper???
It's as if Dusty didn't want to win this game. The only conceivable explanation is to give some of these guys ABs so they can trade them shortly. But it's still irritating to see the same irrational lineup tinkering that got me so frustrated with Narron. I can understand giving Griffey days off, but guys like Votto and Patterson should be playing every day if they're on this team. Ugh
by cokane on Apr 7, 2008 10:11 PM EDT 0 recs
Votto, Sitting on the Bench....
...wasting away, so Keppinger can imitate a first baseman, and a 35 year old human out machine can start at short. Juan Castro, hitting second, with Keppinger at first and Votto on the bench (losing valuable learning curve time to a utility player who gets on base about as much as often as a virgin at a eunuch convention). Ladies and gentleman, that is the definition of human stupidity.
by tonywf on Apr 8, 2008 2:15 AM EDT 0 recs
Why Valentin instead of Votto?
Sorry I'm a day late, but WTF was Dusty thinking pinch-hitting gimpy Valentin instead of the fresh Votto? Javier's got about as much power as my dead grandmother, whereas half of Votto's hits last year went for extra bases. To me, there's no excuse that Votto was the one position player who didn't make it into the game. Yes, we had no business winning that game, but this seemed to seal our fate.
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