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Philadelphia Phillies
@ Cincinnati Reds

Monday, Apr 7, 2008, 12:35 PM EDT
Great American Ball Park

Cole Hamels vs Bronson Arroyo

Partly cloudy. Winds blowing out to left field at 5-15 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 65.

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Reuters (Hamels), Al Behrman/AP (Arroyo)

W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2008 - Cole Hamels 0-1 1.13 0.88 6 2

W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2008 - Bronson Arroyo 0-0 3.60 1.40 5 3

 In two starts (14 innings) Hamels has allowed one run against the Reds. That includes his major league debut, in which he allowed one hit in five innings and, oh yeah, the time he struck out 15 in a complete game. The Phillies also turned a triple play that day. That was awesome.

Bronson can heal my JTM hatred of him by beating this pesky wunderkind.

 

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Bummer

I just got cable installed this morning specifically for Reds games and this one isn't televised. Marty better be in a good mood.

by Red Menace on Apr 7, 2008 10:32 AM EDT   0 recs

nice

do u have hdtv?

"Never perfect but perfectly forgiven." -Petra

by shortstopv2 on Apr 7, 2008 11:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

got ya

cause time warner gives you hd fsn!

"Never perfect but perfectly forgiven." -Petra

by shortstopv2 on Apr 7, 2008 11:26 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

nothing stimulates the US economy

like buying a HDTV made in China !!!

Nobody listens to Andrew

by nlt-andrew68 on Apr 7, 2008 11:32 AM EDT to parent up   1 recs

may be made in china

but middle men in the us make more profit than the chinese. and that tv bought also keeps prices down because they don't have a minimum wage.

by buckeye22fox on Apr 7, 2008 1:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

FIRST!

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 7, 2008 10:32 AM EDT   0 recs

the Reds are 2-0 when i am "FIRST!"

including Johnny Cueto's masterpeace.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 7, 2008 10:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Check the latest baseball labor contract

Superstition was negotiated out of baseball. Sorry.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Apr 7, 2008 10:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It was on its last breath anyway.

Thanks a lot Stat Guys!

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Apr 7, 2008 10:37 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no, fuck sabramatrics

the Reds win simply because i am the first to type first! in cap locks in a game day thread. Fuck all that ops, k/9, shit. Fuck reason baseball is about emotion. It is about truthiness.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 7, 2008 10:38 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I cheer for America.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 7, 2008 10:41 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Juan Casto, #2 hitter.

Ack.

Phillies

1. Rollins ss
2. Victorino cf
3. Utley 2b
4. Howard 1b
5. Burrell lf
6. Jenkins rf
7. Feliz 3b
8. Ruiz c
9. Hammells p

Reds

1. Freel cf
2. Castro ss
3. Phillips 2b
4. Dunn lf
5. Keppinger 1b
6. Encarnacion 3b
7. Hopper rf
8. Bako c
9. Arroyo p

That is one hell of a terrible lineup. Basically 2 out of every 3 innings we're guaranteed not to score. But hey, at least we've got some righties in there!

by Geki on Apr 7, 2008 10:46 AM EDT   1 recs

Today is FukItWhoCares Day at GABP

What the hell is that crap? Dusty must really really hate Bronson's music.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Apr 7, 2008 10:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well you know

it doens't really matter because Bronson can't pitch when the sun shines anyway, probably because of the 5th of rum he drank last night, and he is still distracted by trying to figure out who he woke up with this morning.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 7, 2008 10:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow

2 left-handed bats and one of them is Bako? Seriously, I can understand resting Griffey if he feels like he needs it, but you can't sit both Votto and Hatteberg as well. And I know Hamels is tough, but his splits are basically identical over his brief career (.706 OPS against RH, .700 OPS against LH). This lineup is a total getaway day lineup.

Good luck, Bronson! You'll need it.

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 7, 2008 10:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ack

Castro in the 2 hole is exactly why I was against Dusty. Baker's admitted to not knowing much about the team before taking the job, so his only reasons for slotting Castro at the top are his position and age. Crap. I'd really like to be proven wrong about Dusty, Brantley-style.

by ken on Apr 7, 2008 10:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dusty is not a clutch manager

He's just not!

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Apr 7, 2008 10:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If he can't fill out a lineup card

Then they need to get someone else out there who can.

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 7, 2008 10:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So, why isn't Keppinger batting second?

He's in the lineup, he's been on fire. Dusty really does just make lineups by position, doesn't he? I'm actually kind of shocked that Hopper isn't batting third.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 7, 2008 10:59 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Because Keppinger is playing first base

Ergo, he bats in the middle of the order. Sheesh, did you even read the memo?

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 7, 2008 11:17 AM EDT to parent up   1 recs

"It's a lonely walk when the Reds don't come out to play."

"But that's okay."

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Apr 7, 2008 11:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what's really disturbing about this

is that he apparently thinks its some kind of a necessity to have the CF and SS batting 1 & 2. If you're going to have this lineup, you really can't justify Castro hitting second instead of Hopper.

by Blue on Apr 7, 2008 11:11 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Some numbers

In Dusty's previous managerial career, he had managed 2204 regular season games. In 1359 of those games his first two hitters were either a CF or a middle infielder, that's roughly 62% of the lineups.

Even more amazing, is the fact that 1686 of his games managed were led-off by a CF. Next closest is the second baseman at 204. And before someone starts to think he just started the same guy over and over, he had 25 different players play CF and lead-off during that time. Clearly he thinks CF must lead-off.

He seems to be a little more flexible at the two spot, allowing 3 positions regular play in that spot. Shortstops have the most games there under Dusty at 744, followed by 2B at 687 and 3B at 460. It should be noted though that the majority of the 2-hole ABs by a thirdbaseman came from Bill Mueller, who started 381 of those 460 games from the two spot. And while Mueller wasn't a bad hitter by any means, he did kinda hit like a middle infielder. In fact, I'd say he was very similar to Keppinger, but with more strikeouts.

One last bit of minutia...Dusty Baker has never started a shortstop in the 4th spot in the order and only once has he batted a CF in the 4-spot. He has batted a 2B in the 4-spot 688 times, but 684 of those times it was Jeff Kent.

There you have it...Now is anyone still reading this high up in the thread?

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 7, 2008 11:50 AM EDT to parent up   2 recs

gimme some names and I'll check

I'll start with leyland, pineilla, mckeon, narron, boone, buddy bell, gardenhire, tom kelly. That should be a good spread of managers who have had a variety of talent. I don't want to use Torre since his roster was so stable for so long, but if you come up with other names, let me know. I'll post the answers when I get a chance.

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 7, 2008 11:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Okay, here's what I've got

I can't get the formatting to work right (stupid new RR), so here is a link to a Google Spreadsheet. I limited it to every manager since 1961. The total at the bottom is for all games since 1961, while the list only includes managers with over 500 games managed. The rate for that time period is 39%. Dusty finishes 18th on the list for rate of CF/MIF in the first two spots in the order.

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 7, 2008 12:40 PM EDT to parent up   2 recs

thanks for that.

very interesting.

by Blue on Apr 7, 2008 1:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Damn Slyde...

You rock my world!

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Apr 7, 2008 12:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Kepp #5?

I thought Dusty said Kepp was the ideal #2 hitter?
I could understand, though not agree, with Dusty's logic of batting Hopper 2nd in thie lineup. But Castro?

by rojosoto on Apr 7, 2008 11:26 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dunn is batting cleanup

Thats nice to see, even if the rest of the lineup doesn't look so hot.

Bruce Bonser? Boone Bonser? Boot Bonser?BOOSE BONZER?

by Lakeman on Apr 7, 2008 10:52 AM EDT   0 recs

The 3-6 hitters are going to have to produce today

but now that I say that, Freel and Castro will combine 4-7 with 3 RBI and 4 Runs scored.

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 7, 2008 10:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah... but they'll be hella' sore come November

.. while our guys will be fresh and ready to enjoy an offseason of fishing and car commercials.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Apr 7, 2008 11:00 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe they are using some sort of enhancement?

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 7, 2008 11:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well hopefully...

They are experiencing a surge in their offense that lasts more than four hours and therefore have to go see a doctor.

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Apr 7, 2008 12:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

dusty

is feeling lucky...lolz

by homerun21 on Apr 7, 2008 11:01 AM EDT   0 recs

Hamels on GABP

"This is one of my favorite parks," he said. "A lot has happpened here. When you feel really comfortable at a field, it's always exciting to go there."
--------
Myers attributes Hamels' favor to Great American Ball Park's high pitcher's mound.

"I think it's the tallest mound in the league," he said. "The angles that I pitch from, to their eye, I don't think they can register [the ball] as well."

link

by ken on Apr 7, 2008 11:05 AM EDT   0 recs

As long as he's comfy at our park

Why not give him a creampuff of a lineup too?

I'm starting to feel better that I probably won't be able to follow this game too closely at work.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 7, 2008 11:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, me too

But then again the alternative is work. I'm conflicted.

by ken on Apr 7, 2008 11:12 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We're accomodating to our visitors

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 7, 2008 11:13 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I remember in 2003

the pitchers, especially John Reidling, complained that the mound was too low. I bet Bob Boone, Dave Miley, Jerry Narron, Pete Mackanin, Dusty Baker, Don Gullet, Vern Ruhle, Dick Pole, or Tom Hume, snuck out under the cloak of darnkness and rebuilt the mound.

Can you believe that Dusty Baker is the 5th manager since GAB opened in 2003?

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 7, 2008 11:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Given the recent revelation that higher mounds lead to more injuries

I can't say that I'm excited to hear that.

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 7, 2008 11:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i wonder if we can use this as bait

to sign him..... "wouldnt it be nice to play here 50% of the time hamels???"

"Never perfect but perfectly forgiven." -Petra

by shortstopv2 on Apr 7, 2008 11:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

juan castro

is going to go 4-4

by homerun21 on Apr 7, 2008 11:08 AM EDT   0 recs

Hey, I hope he does

I also hope he is then nailed firmly to the bench, and sent to Siberia as soon as Gonzalez returns.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 7, 2008 11:10 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

While I am irritated with our lineup today

Can I just say that I am excited as hell about Volqswagon and Cueto?

Cause I am.

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Apr 7, 2008 11:12 AM EDT   0 recs

I am too...

I was trying my damndest to temper my enthusiasm, but those performances were both VERY solid.

Illusions Michael. Tricks are what whores do for money...and candy.

by Steve Holt on Apr 7, 2008 11:23 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hey look on the bright side..

Norris Hopper can't pinch hit today

by homerun21 on Apr 7, 2008 11:13 AM EDT   0 recs

Exactly!

While Ken Griffey Jr. and Joey Votto can!! Why didn't we think of this lineup eariler??

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Apr 7, 2008 11:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The same reason not everyone came up with the concept of Chtulhu

Most men need to be shown the depths of darkness; they cannot fathom it on their own.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 7, 2008 11:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

But he can bunt.

Wanna bet he does at one point or another today?

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Apr 7, 2008 12:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

good grief

The Reds are 4-2 the first week, its time for Manos de Oro!

by obc2 on Apr 7, 2008 11:36 AM EDT   0 recs

You mean

"Shower of Gold" Don't you?

I'm thirsty.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 7, 2008 12:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cuz batting a team based on where they play in the field makes total sense...

when you're five.

I've got a plan and it's as hot as my pants...

by Man Mountain on Apr 7, 2008 11:36 AM EDT   0 recs

i remember in tee ball

i picked number 1 for my jersey because i thought that would mean i would be first to bat

"Never perfect but perfectly forgiven." -Petra

by shortstopv2 on Apr 7, 2008 11:45 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I like to think most 5 year olds know better than that

There are probably some at the ballpark today who are saying "Dusty, what the fuck?"

by Blue on Apr 7, 2008 11:45 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yo gabba gabba is awesome.

it's produced by christian jacobs of the aquabats, and has all sorts of sweet ska in it.

Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.

by andromache on Apr 7, 2008 1:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

aye, but

damn if some of that stuff isn't written while on an acid trip. I get high just watching it.

And doesn't anybody else find themselves singing "I'm so happy" by The Salteens at random times during the day? Damn children's TV!

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 7, 2008 1:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I went to a game like this a few years ago

and I was struck dumb that this lineup would be used at a home game.

by Blue on Apr 7, 2008 11:48 AM EDT   0 recs

yea

when narron was here a rew years ago i remember jason romano and william bergolla hit 1-2 one game. felipe lopez hit 3rd

by homerun21 on Apr 7, 2008 11:51 AM EDT   0 recs

I caught a bit of the Nats game yesterday

Our friend Felipe was playing left field.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 7, 2008 11:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think this has been discussed before

But when do you think Hopper will get his first and possibly only ML homer? I could see it happening next week at Chicago, as the ball will get stuck and he will have a inside the park

by johnny cueto thinks we're sellouts on Apr 7, 2008 11:51 AM EDT   0 recs

I'm gonna go with September 22, 2006

Off of Rich Hill.

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 7, 2008 11:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

touchee

I thought he had never hit one

by johnny cueto thinks we're sellouts on Apr 7, 2008 11:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i guess thats what i get for being lazy

and not researching. had the same problem in undergrad, sometimes still have it in grad school

by johnny cueto thinks we're sellouts on Apr 7, 2008 11:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

2nd prediction

When will Slyde get the numbers on his Coutlangus jersey?

Before or after I attend a game at GABP totally without beer?

by obc2 on Apr 7, 2008 11:58 AM EDT   0 recs

Yeesh

This is certainly a line-up that does the "little things." By little, I mean nearly fucking nil.

I'm thirsty.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 7, 2008 12:06 PM EDT   1 recs

Where are the Usual Suspects

ash, jch, chand, sukr, sno, caleb, boobs, geki, etc?

echo!

And where WAS Daedalus last Wednesday?!?

by obc2 on Apr 7, 2008 12:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Have I been away so long

That I am no longer a usual suspect? I think I might go cry. Or something.

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to pla