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Game 29 Thread Part II: Reds down by 5, 3-2

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time for a rally

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 3:18 PM EDT   0 recs

rallies are for losers

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 30, 2008 3:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Like rehab is for quiters?

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 30, 2008 3:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

RALLY CAPS

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by Caleb on Apr 30, 2008 3:21 PM EDT   0 recs

BOOM BOOM CLAP

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 30, 2008 3:21 PM EDT   0 recs

This team sure can mash when the game's out of reach.

But when they need a clutch hit, forget it. Hope someone asks Phillips about the 4 LOB today.

by bengalred on Apr 30, 2008 3:21 PM EDT   0 recs

This team's offense is truly terrible

seriously. where do they have LOB statistics for team and individuals?

"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey

by JJ on Apr 30, 2008 3:23 PM EDT   0 recs

If Schumaker gets a hit here.

He is an ALS. I don’t care how tall he is.

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Apr 30, 2008 3:28 PM EDT   0 recs

the ball that freel dove at

was it slicing or just a bad route

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 3:29 PM EDT   0 recs

it fooled him off the bat

and he slipped.

It’s a miracle it stayed in front of him

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by Man Mountain on Apr 30, 2008 3:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

both

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 30, 2008 3:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

question

bruce isnt an option, who would you rather have start? Freel, hopper, or patterson?

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 3:30 PM EDT   0 recs

No.

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Apr 30, 2008 3:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 30, 2008 3:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

rec'd

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 3:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

damn it

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 30, 2008 3:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

can i get

a real answer?

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 3:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 30, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't get it, BTW.

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Apr 30, 2008 3:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if I have to

Patterson

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 30, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

f'reel?

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 30, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no was the real answer

nobody wants any of those guys starting. they cant get on base. they’re below replacement level. NO

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 30, 2008 3:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

id take patterson

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What's your baseball reasoning for this

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by Man Mountain on Apr 30, 2008 3:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No.

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Apr 30, 2008 3:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

he can

hit the ball out of the infield and plays smarter defense than freel

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 3:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and he has a .280 on-base percentage

not that on-base percentage matters

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 30, 2008 3:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

may not be a leadoff hitter

but hes better than freel

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 3:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I dare you to support this argument

with something other than vague impressions.

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by Man Mountain on Apr 30, 2008 3:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

see below

i.e. Caleb

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 3:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that's convenient

are you sure he’s a better hitter than freel?

If so, how do you know? In what sense is he a “better” hitter?

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by Man Mountain on Apr 30, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So you are saying we resign Castro

and put him in CF right?

Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!

by Zach K on May 1, 2008 11:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

defensively, he's better than the other two

offensively, he’s one of the worst in the majors at doing the most important thing in baseball. in 2005 he had a -16.8 VORP. That means he cost his team 17 runs compared to a replacement-level hitter. On his career, he’s right around 0. He’s not good.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 30, 2008 3:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what is vorp?

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

stuff you make arguments out of

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 30, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I came here for an argument.

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Apr 30, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Value over Replacement Player

The number of runs a player would create over and above (or under and below) freely available talent.

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by Slyde on Apr 30, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you've been here a while...

you HAVE to know what vorp is.

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 30, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

never heard of the term untill today

looks like im still wet behind the ears

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 3:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oh ok then...

it gets talked about quite a bit though

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 30, 2008 3:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

given the 3 choices

I’d take Patterson. he is the best of the 3 defensively, a better base stealer (provided he ever gets on again). I’d hit him 8th

but the best move is bring up the Bruce

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 30, 2008 3:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

good argument

I agree

It gets crazy on the road, and awful lonely. That's why I love pornography. This next song is all about my love of hardcore, barely legal pornography.

by Slyde on Apr 30, 2008 3:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that's why he's a rr hall of famer

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 30, 2008 3:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

didnt freel strike out alot when he started everyday?

patterson may not have a high OBP but he doesnt stikeout as much, which is good for a leadoff hitter

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

no, strikes don't mean squat for a lead-off hitter

His primary job is to get on base. Patterson has shown no ability to do that in his career.

It gets crazy on the road, and awful lonely. That's why I love pornography. This next song is all about my love of hardcore, barely legal pornography.

by Slyde on Apr 30, 2008 3:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would never advocate

playing him as a lead off hitter.

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 30, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Corey as a lead off hitter

.251/ .296/ .424

pretty lousy stuff

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by Caleb on Apr 30, 2008 3:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i disagree with that

you raise your chances to get on base making contact with the ball, while striking out gives you no chance what so ever

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 3:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wrong again.

If there were a leadoff hitter who struck out 60% of the time (i.e., about 400 times a season) but got on base the other 40% of the time, he would be a pretty good leadoff hitter.

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Apr 30, 2008 3:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Except that Corey Patterson does not get on base

whether he strikes out or not.

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by Slyde on Apr 30, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You may be a baseball player

but you analyze the game like one of their girlfriends

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by Man Mountain on Apr 30, 2008 3:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

do knowing stats?

get you the ladies? i need to read up…lol

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 3:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not about "knowing stats"

it’s your complete inability to recognize what skills make a player valuable in a given role. In that way, you remind me of my mom. When she’d been in the US 6 months. When I was in t-ball.

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by Man Mountain on Apr 30, 2008 3:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i never said i would place patterson

in a leadoff position

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 3:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

above
patterson may not have a high OBP but he doesnt stikeout as much, which is good for a leadoff hitter

Definitely an antisocial type. Woof, woof, woof! That's my other dog imitation.

by Man Mountain on Apr 30, 2008 3:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i was just comparing him to freel

the question was would i rather have freel or patterson, and when dusty plays them they both bat leadoff, so i was comparing them leading off

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 4:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

shortstop, you can't teach man mountain anything...

he’s a tar heel what ya gonna do?

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 30, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

a comparison which favors Freel quite a bit

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by Man Mountain on Apr 30, 2008 4:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

really?

I’m not a fan of Freel in the lead off spot either. The edge, in my mind, he has over Patterson is in Versatility

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 30, 2008 4:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't want any of these jokers leading off

but in comparison, yes, I’ll take Freel given their career averages. Patterson’s speed and little extra power are nice, but over the course of a season Freel will be on base about 35 times more than Patterson will.

There’s no versatility that makes up for that kind of drop.

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by Man Mountain on Apr 30, 2008 4:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

nice

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 4:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

when was the last time Freel

was cut by the worst team in the American league and signed to a minor league contract at the age of 28?

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by Man Mountain on Apr 30, 2008 4:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

btw

mike piazza had a pretty high OBP would you bat him leadoff?

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 4:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well, Piazza OBP right now is actually pretty low

but it’s still 23 points higher than Patterson’s. That should tell you something.

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by Man Mountain on Apr 30, 2008 4:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

.318 .364 .571 .935

leading off an inning for Piazza. Corey ain’t even close

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 30, 2008 4:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well in 1995 his OBP was .400

but he had only 1 stolen base..would you bat him leadoff?

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

over freel/patterson?

yes

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 30, 2008 4:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

but how many teams in baseball

bat a person with 1 stolen base a year in the lead off spot? All im saying is OBP doesnt mean everything

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 4:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

the Reds in the 70's

had a guy named Rose who didn’t steal many bases. He never stole more than 9 for the Reds in a season in the 70’s. But that worked out ok

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 30, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

actually in 1979

pete stole 20 bases

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and 1977

he stole 16

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 4:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yes he did

but look at 74-75-76

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by Caleb on Apr 30, 2008 4:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

how many years did pete bat

leadoff?

"God has blessed me and I will continue to do my best for him. This is more important than anything I could do in baseball." -Albert Pujols

by shortstopv2 on Apr 30, 2008 4:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

almost all of them

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by Caleb on Apr 30, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pete Rose

Batted leadoff in 2313 games (though not all for the Reds), and only had 125 SBs in those games. Unlike any recent Reds leadoff batter, however, he had an OBP of .379 over that span.

by Gray on Apr 30, 2008 4:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and

was caught almost as many times

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by Caleb on Apr 30, 2008 4:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

for what team?

and actually I stand corrected (but not for 1979)

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by Caleb on Apr 30, 2008 4:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs