Jock in a Box
New Reds General Manager Walt Jocketty spent 13 seasons as the GM of the St. Louis Cardinals. During his tenure the Cardinals went from a team that hadn't been to the playoffs in 7 years to a team that won the division in his second season and went to the playoffs in 6 of the last 9 years. Regardless of what your perception is of his skill level, it's hard to argue with those kinds of results.
In the 2006 Hardball Times Annual, Cardinals fan Brian Gunn wrote an article titled GM in a Box: Walt Jocketty where he tried to summarize who Jocketty is as a GM. As with most evaluations of GMs will be, especially by an outsider, his observations where based mainly on circumstantial evidence. I don't believe Gunn has ever had direct conversations with Jocketty, so he's really just trying to identify trends in Jocketty's tenure and extrapolate a strategy from there. It's not perfect, but it's the best we've got in terms of a historical summary. That's why I decided to steal a bunch of it and post it here. If you don't own any of the THT Annuals, hopefully this will be a good example of the kind of varied information you find in them. It's a purchase that is worth the money, even two years later.
Gunn starts off with Jocketty's record and background. I've updated it to current time.
Age: 56
Previous Organizations:
1975-1980: White Sox - various minor league positions under GM Rolan Hemond
1980-1993: Athletics - farm director mostly under GM Sandy Alderson
1993: Rockies - assistant GM to Bob Gebhard
1994-2007: Cardinals - General Manager
Jocketty has said that he learned people skills from the genial Hemond and the technical/contractual skills from the lawyerly Alderson.
Cumulative record with the Cardinals: 1117-968, .536 Winning PCT. One ridiculous WS championship.
Did he play professional ball and if so, what type of player was he?
No. He played college ball as a pitcher but that was it.
From here on out, I'll just be stealing some quotes from Gunn and then putting my own spin on them in places. Remember, this is someone's opinion of someone's opinion of someone's observations. We're just trying to get an idea of the beast that is Walt Jocketty.
Personnel and Philosophy
Jocketty was much chummier [than the previous GM] - a clubhouse schmoozer with a very collaborative style.
This sounds very different from Wayne Krivsky or Dan O'Brien. They both seemed very separated from their clubhouses, leaving that stuff to the managers. Then again, that description could only apply to Jocketty because he and Tony LaRussa were tight. Their relationship going all the way back to when both were working with the White Sox in the late 1970s.
In fact, it's difficult to tell where Jocketty stops and La Russa starts - they both share taste for veteran pitchers, defense-minded catchers, power at the corners and "sturdy character" types.
Here's an area where we might have a hard time discerning the real Walt Jocketty is. Gunn says many times that Jocketty made many of his moves to suit LaRussa's wants. I don't see Dusty Baker being that different than LaRussa in terms of personnel needs, but we may have a bit of a learning period here while both manager and GM feel each other out.
Player Development
When it comes to drafting, Gunn says this of Jocketty
Jocketty has a real yen for college talent. During his tenure, the Cards have used a first-round pick on a high schooler just three times, and never have they chosen a high school pitcher in the first round.
...In 2004, for example, the Cards signed only one high schooler among their 47 picks in the amateur draft.
That first part isn't completely true as Jocketty has drafted two high school pitchers (Ben Diggins in 1998 and Tyler Herron in 2005) with sandwich picks, which are essentially first round picks, even if they aren't the team's first pick in the draft. The Cardinals have only had 2 first round picks since 1999 make it to the Majors so far (Chris Duncan - 1999 sandwich pick and Daric Barton - 2003), but Colby Rasmus could be up some time this season. Ironically (maybe), all three of those players were drafted out of high school.
Oh, and nobody has made it from the 2004 draft yet either, I don't believe. It's still early, but you'd kind of hope that an all college draft would produce some talent sooner than that, I think.
On whether he tends to rush players in the minors or let them marinate:
In general, though, there aren't many players who Jocketty promoted who can be considered clearly over-cooked or under-cooked. But he will push players with standout skills...the man has a clear cut philosophy: go out of your way to get superstars into the lineup.
This could mean Jay Bruce sooner rather than later. It also will be interesting to see how he moves Todd Frazier and Drew Stubbs along. Frazier clearly can hit, so it wouldn't surprise me to see him move more quickly. Stubbs is still too low for his age. He's hitting well so far in Sarasota. Gotta wonder if that will mean a faster move up the chain.
Roster Construction
According to Gunn:
There are four things Jocketty looks for when assembling his teams:
1. Power Hitters
2. Defense Up the Middle
3. Finesse Pitchers
4. "Proven" Talent
Power hitters won't be a problem for the Reds. But if that is his true philosophy, I wonder if that means Dunn will be around next season?
As for defense, well there is some work to be done. The Cardinals had won 12 gold gloves up the middle under Jocketty, but outside of Phillips, the Reds don't have a lot of hope for that level of performance at this point. This could be another reason that Stubbs may get moved along more quickly. If he truly is the stud defender that we've been sold, he may look mighty pleasing to Jocketty.
The finesse pitchers point is one of those things that may not be a Jocketty philosophy as much as him playing to his coaches strengths.
One [reason] is that La Russa and Dave Duncan, the pitching coach, seem more comfortable grooming "location" pitchers. The other is that finesse guys are, by and large, cheaper than power pitchers.
So, I don't think we'll see Jocketty selling off Cueto, Volquez, and Bailey to get a Jeff Suppan in here. However, I would not be surprised if he takes an occasional shot at getting a "soft-tosser" in on a good contract in hopes that some magic can be worked with him. Unfortunately, I don't think Dick Pole is quite the pitching coach that Duncan is.
We'll touch on the proven talent point in a second.
Regarding how Jocketty pieces together his roster, Gunn says this:
Jocketty collects superstars, but he rarely overspends for them.
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As for the rest of the roster, Jocketty, like the Braves' John Schuerholz, tends to take the Dr. Frankenstein approach: He figures he can build a passable bench and bullpen out of spare parts.
It'll be interesting to see if Jocketty and Dusty can sell Cincinnati the way Jocketty and TLR used to sell St. Louis. Jocketty managed to get McGwire, Rolen, and Edmonds to all sign at below market value to stay in St. Louis. It would be super if he could do the same in Cincinnati.
And one thing I will say is that Jocketty is very good at building up a bench. It seems like the Cardinals always had the right pieces to fill in when needed. It's been a few years since one could say that about the Reds. In many ways, he's a lot like Jim Bowden in this sense.
What's his style?
Jocketty is primarily a problem solver, a fix-it guy. We see this most glaringly in his approach to the trading deadline - Jocketty rarely, if ever, sits back and tries to "dance with them what brung you." He's always working the phones, trying to tinker, upgrade.
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Jocketty is probably the most aggressive deadline dealer in the history of baseball. McGwire, Tatis, Will Clark, Woody Williams, Chuck Finley, Scott Rolen and Larry Walker were all acquired at midseason.
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Jocketty will frequently try to land players at the trading deadline that will help long-term.
Again, just like Jim Bowden, only not as douchey. I will say that I have much more confidence in Jocketty to make a good deal than Krivsky. I look forward to being initially outraged and then pleasantly surprised by his maneuvering in the future.
Trades and Free Agents
[H]e will consistently deal young, emerging, speculative talent in order to acquire older, proven, accomplished talent.
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This does not mean, however, that Jocketty hates youth or that he'll trade away farmhands willy-nilly.
And this is where we all sit and hold our breath. For the most part, Jocketty has shown that he is able to identify proven talent. That doesn't mean that we want to gut the minor league system to get it. I don't believe someone like Bruce is at risk, but Bailey might be one of those guys that gets dealt for a proven level of performance. And honestly, I can see the value in a deal like that, especially if Jocketty can manage to fill a serious need (catcher, right-handed bat, quality bullpen help). Personally, I'd rather keep Bailey around, but, outside of the Mulder deal, I'm willing to trust Jocketty's track record on the youth for veteran moves.
The other dimension to Jocketty's trade strategy is this: buy low.
I'm all for buying low, as long as you're not buying dead. This was Krivsky's fatal flaw in my mind. He was over-spending on some of the "buy low" guys and when he did over-spend on them, then tended to be dead weight. That being said, Krivsky did a pretty good job of buying low on some hidden young talent as well.
Jocketty is not a major player on the free agent market, and when he dabbles he usually goes after mid-priced bargains...
The pattern is familiar: line in wait, don't overcommit and then pounce when the market dips.
This is a good strategy for small-market teams. The problem is that the market doesn't dip as much as it used to. I wonder if Jocketty would have signed Cordero to that big contract had he been in charge at that point.
Jocketty has no problem doling out long-term contracts for cornerstone players....
[He] tries to save money up front by issuing incentive-laden contracts like the one he did with Chris Carpenter in '04 or Matt Morris in '05.
Jocketty signed some very good contracts in his time. He locked up Pujols at a reasonable rate while he was still young. He got McGwire, Rolen, and Edmonds to sign for cheaper than expected. Carpenter's original deal was very good. But he also unnecessarily extended Carpenter's deal before the '07 season. So not everything he poops out turns to gold. I'm going to take a wait and see on this one, especially since Jocketty's coming in with a lot more future money locked up than he did when he came to the Cardinals.
What does tigrmetrics think of him?
Apparently Jocketty is very personable with players and personnel, but he comes across as much more nondescript in public... [He] seems like the great uncle whose name you keep forgetting.
Aw, how cute. Uncle What's-his-name.
What is his strongest point as GM?
Working wthin his limitations.
Now the question is, what kind of limitations is Bob going to put on him?
Check out the related reading section for some more information on Jock-o.
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thanks for putting so much work into this
hopefully we’ll get some good dialogue going on this thread today
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on Apr 25, 2008 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
Not a problem
I really just stole a bunch of stuff from Gunn, who clearly favors Jocketty. I’m looking forward to some counterponts from the group. This really is intended as a jumping off point more than a “hey look, he’s a great guy!” post.
You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.
" That being said, Krivsky did a pretty good job of buying low on some hidden young talent as well."
Ha! You complimented BP in spite of yourself!
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on Apr 25, 2008 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
BP is great just a pretty boy
"When we played softball, I would steal second and then feel guilty and go back" woody allen
"Market doesn't dip as much as it used to"
I dunno. The Jocketty-less Cards got a pretty good deal on Kyle Lohse. I would also point to the Fogg and Affeldt signings as examples of not wildly overpaying for (what seemed at the time) useful parts. It’s also possible that this year was just an outlier. After all, Carlos Silva and Torii Hunter were able to get big contracts as well.
I think my point is, you can still find bargains if you wait.
Good point
I was thinking more of the mid-range players like Silva who are getting ridiculous contracts. I had forgotten about the Lohse-type players, and those really seem to be the types of guys he goes after.
You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.
Lohse-type will return to Lohse-esque-type
"When we played softball, I would steal second and then feel guilty and go back" woody allen
Don't forget
Our good buddy Andruw Jones at $18 mil per year.
Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.
that's a solid deal...
i bet we could get him strait up for patterson
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on Apr 25, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Great post, this give some interesting insight into Uncle Jocko - Thanks
Maybe this GM change doesn’t bode as ill for Dunner as I originally suspected.
Radiohead killed the Video Star
Thanks also
Nice read
"When we played softball, I would steal second and then feel guilty and go back" woody allen
here's something about the move...
I like Jocketty being the GM, because he is a fairly well respected person in baseball. I think having him on board gives the team some legitimacy. It’s like Hey Cincinnati might not be such a bad town to go play baseball in. Hopefully, he can use his reputation to make the team more attractive to high level players.
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on Apr 25, 2008 11:33 AM EDT reply actions
There's a lot of luck involved ...
One thing I’m noticing about Castellini is that he is going for people with winning track records – problem is, he wants to make magic happen twice. Whatever worked for Dusty in the past is not working now. Whatever worked for Jockety In St. Louis may never happen again. In the meantime, he’s passing over unrealized potential in unknown faces.
That happens a lot in baseball. People don’t like taking chances on unknowns. But I would venture that the Big Red Machines of the future are being built right now by unknown talent, and that good fortune will bypass Cincy once again.
KRIV-dawg
Anyone else thing DOB did ok in his two drafts? (Bruce, Bailey, Cueto, Votto?)
And the organization is light years away from where it was five years ago re: player development. I think Castellini is being way too impatient, damn near Steinbrenner-ish.
Just a thought, maybe even an unpopular one. I’m not sold on Bobby-boy yet, and i sure as hell wouldnt want to work for him. Warrants mentioning.
I heard Kriv on the Cutler show this morning and he sounded extremely impressive. He discounted a few reports out there re: him not being a people person.
What was Slyde’s first person account after meeting him at Redsfest ‘06?
Also, anyone else notice Jayson Stark had a stinging endorsement of Kriv…and mentioned the Reds “are a team to root against” now? Hmmmmm…..
by obc2 on Apr 25, 2008 12:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
DanO didn't draft Votto
Bowden did.
Slyde’s first person account: Krivsky was not a people person in that medium. I get the impression he’s not much for shooting the shit. And given that he didn’t want to talk too much about the inner-workings of his plan, he really came off as kind of a dick. He’s probably not really a dick, but it’s not hard to come off that way. Just look at Man Mountain.
You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.
But I have a good reason
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by Man Mountain on Apr 25, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
by the way...
this site is still acting loonier than a canadian coin
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on Apr 25, 2008 12:03 PM EDT reply actions
Strange
My first reaction to him was also “Bowden without the doucheyness.” That was based on my cursory view of the Cardinals over the years. But, unlike Bowden, there was long-term success and what seemed to be less compiling of outfield dead weight. I fear that the organization will now turn a strength (the farm system) into a weakness to compete year by year. Bob might demand it. But hell, what do I know.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. -Tom Waits and others
Interesting read
It got me thinking.
People have said that Castellini acted impatient in firing Krivsky so quickly, and many have also noted Krivsky’s ability to find “diamonds in the rough”. Brendanukkah mentions I would also point to the Fogg and Affeldt signings as examples of not wildly overpaying for (what seemed at the time) useful parts.
Yet: Krivsky pulled off The Trade, and the only plausable explanation is it was a panic move. Not only was there apparently not much interest in Affeldt (who then got $3M from Cinci), but Patterson also fit that mold – and he turned a STI into a $3M contract. Trading for, then resigning, Castro. Giving a 2nd year to Cormier just to acquire him. You could even argue the Arroyo and BP contracts weren’t well thought out (though Phillips doesn’t get real expensive until the last year).
I guess my point is that it may not be Castellini with ants in his pants, but Krivsky. He seemed bound and determined to find that one player who’ll be exactly the right “final piece”, and usually vastly overspent to get/keep him, even though the team needed many things before getting to the final piece stage.
The more I look at it, I only see half of a plan from Krivsky – “We’ll develop young players, but we’re going to hedge our bets by keeping around 20 or 30 “proven veterans”.” Why keep Hatteberg around after the way Votto hit in September? Why add a $3M contract for Patterson to Freel’s $3M when Bruce should be ready in June? Why continually give $2-3M contracts to overaged bullpen fodder when Bailey might benefit from pitching to MLB hitters a couple of times a week?
Of course, Jockety has upheld one Krivsky tradition. We’re finally back to 3 catchers.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
I agree that his roster this season was shoddy at best
As for the plan, we don’t know if the moves Krivsky was making were coming down from on high or if he was trying to juggle two differing plans at once. I get the feeling, and this is completely speculation, that Krivsky felt a lot of pressure to be competitive immediately and that was against his better judgment. He wasn’t going to be successful in a compete now environment. But I was starting to feel more confident that he was going to be able to put together a long-term success. I’ve said for a long time that the worst thing that happened to him and the Reds was that they were deceptively competitive in 2006. I don’t think he was prepared to deal with that type of situation, for whatever reason, and that led to some very poor decisions.
Like I said, I think he’s very good at finding undeveloped talent. He’s not very good at finding developed talent though. That’s the kind of GM you need to win now. Jocketty will hopefully be better at that. He has shown to be so in the past.
You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.
I don't disagree
I think it’s pivotal in Castellini’s decision, though, that Krivsky was so bad at finding developed talent, and I also think that lack of skill lead to so many bad signings (as one bad signing would try to make up for the previous bad one).
One of the things I’ve seen talked about is that a team needs to recognize where it is in the development cycle. If the orders to “win now” are coming from ownership, but the GM sees that it isn’t possible, it’s his job to convince the owner otherwise. What would be worse, though, would be if (as you imply) the GM doesn’t think he knows where the team is in the cycle. Where the Reds were in July ‘06 should not have come as a surprise to Krivsky – either he should have known the division was lousy enough that the Reds might be in it until late (and had a “just in case” plan in place), or he should have looked at the run differential and convinced ownership that they really weren’t that good and were likely to fall back a bit. Instead, he peed himself and made the dumbest trade since forever.
Even today, keeping Hatteberg around when he could have been traded for real value runs counter to both “win now” and “develop talent”. Krivsky could have had his pick – one of those mediocre relievers he so loves, or maybe another Daryl Thompson. Instead, he froze like a deer in the headlights.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
“I’ve said for a long time that the worst thing that happened to him and the Reds was that they were deceptively competitive in 2006.”
That’s exactly right. Krivsky figured he was taking over a team that he coould build into a contender within 2-3 seasons. When the Reds made a run in 2006, that changed the way he had to operate. It would have been interesting to have seen what the franchise would have looked like today had the Reds been out of the race by June 1, 2006.
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by Thundering Turtle on Apr 25, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Win now
I got the feeling that the “win now” pressure was coming from Castellini. Heck, he even said the reason he fired Krivsky was he didn’t want to lose any more. With 21 games played. If that’s not “win now,” what is?
IMO, the Reds can’t win now and build a winning team for the future. Even the Yankees have struggled trying to do that, and they have a lot more resources.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
I agree,
and have suspected for awhile that the Castellini/Krivsky relationship wasn’t a good fit. Castellini wants to win yesterday, is perhaps unwilling to go through the process it takes anymore for mid-market teams to achieve competiveness. Perhaps Jocketty is a better fit for Castellini, but Krivsky may be the better fit for the Reds. despite his shortcomings with roster management and poor signings.
Where does Kriv land next?
I totally rec'd that chick
Thanks for this. I agree with the wait and see approach. I think that we’ll see Dunn signed to a long-term deal by July.
Bruce Bonser? Boone Bonser? Boot Bonser? BOOSE BONZER?
what are the rules on picture size again?
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on Apr 25, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
under 60K
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah
poop i had a quality picture too!
go here to view it.
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on Apr 25, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
City cats just don't get it.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Apr 25, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
well poop again
my computer said it was much larger
i don’t get it
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on Apr 25, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
HATTE
I have no problem keeping Hatte around, every team needs a “helluva guy”. I think the real opportunity is moving Dunn and Junya by the trading deadline, it will free up a TON of payroll. It will also significantly change the locker room laissez-faire ‘tude.
Who is the leader on this ballclub? Is there one?
Maybe Weathers
But he’s a pretty easy-going guy too.
by Brendanukkah on Apr 25, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
if the reds release dunn and griffey
and jocketty’s not big on huge free-agent signings, we’re going to experience a huge lack of production. I could see jocketty trading junior to seattle near the trade deadline and signing dunn to another few years slightly below market value. With Bruce up, that wouldn’t result in a huge dip in offense and could be to our advantage depending on who he hypothetically swaps junior for.
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah
I could see Junior moved sooner rather than later.
He’ll have #600 behind him and if he goes to Seattle he’ll do it with a smile and with Bruce moved into replace him there shouldn’t be much of a backlash against the move. Unless the return is Bloomquistian.
And as much as I’d like to see Dunn signed to a reasonable extension, I would think that Jocketty might be wise to let the situation play itself out and see what Dunn might be worth at the trading deadline. (I am proposing this under the assumption that the ‘08 Reds continue on an at-best 75-80 win pace.)
"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 25, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
well said
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. -Tom Waits and others
by Pops Daniels on Apr 25, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
er, written
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. -Tom Waits and others
by Pops Daniels on Apr 25, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I've been saying for years
It’s Dunn & Griffey’s fault.
You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.
If this site doesn't start to work correctly soon...I'm going to shoot all of you
I have disappearing comments, the reply feature still doesn’t work correctly, and my auto refresh comments feature is no longer working
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on Apr 25, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
thats not the site
now we’re just playing tricks on you
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah
liar!
i’ll shoot you first
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on Apr 25, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah lets get rid of Dunn all he does is get on base and hit homeruns.
I really would not be surprised to see Jr. back in Seattle soon after #600.
Radiohead killed the Video Star
Thanks
As I mentioned on my blog, my old copies of the THT Annual are in storage right now. It was nice to re-read at least parts of it. And I think your interpretations of and extrapolations from the article are spot on. :) -j
I tried to capture the gist of what he said
And I did leave sections out that I felt were mainly speculation on his part. For instance, he talks a bit about the players he gives up on compared to who he stands by, but I felt like that was a bit too much of an extrapolation from a small set of examples.
He also doesn’t talk much about his failures, almost implying that he learned from his early mistakes, never to falter again. The article was definitely on a positive tilt toward Jocketty. It seems like the Cardinals soured on Jocketty pretty quickly though, and most of that happened after the article. I’m hoping lboros will be able to shed some light on the downfall for us.
You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.
our sister thread
The commentators on Viva El Birdos main complaint about Jockerty is giving away youth but the criticism wasn’t too heated. They also thought that Krivsky’s worst move was spending all of that money on Cordero, a sentiment that we haven’t dwelled on.
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2008/4/23/459549/jocketty-reds-new-gm
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This comment...
it seems like i’ve read it before
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on Apr 25, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
just hangin out...
waiting for the day to end. I’ll be glad when the site is working properly. Also, I got dragged to watch Forbidden Kingdom last night and it was surprisingly good.
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on Apr 25, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I wanted to see it, then found out it was basically a kids movie
But it’s decent you say? Maybe I’ll give it a chance after all.
by Brendanukkah on Apr 25, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
decent...
i really don’t usually get into those kinds of movies…
my brother said let’s go watch a movie. So i thought forgetting srah marshall is playing, we’ll watch that. However he was insistent we watch the kung fu movie. I expected to hate it, and it was pretty good. an A vs. my expecations, probably a c+ as a movie.
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on Apr 25, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh oh
She’s talking in lol. Captioned pictures of cats are sure to follow.
by Brendanukkah on Apr 25, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Donner Party.
That’s all I got.
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by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 25, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps I'm interpreting this poorly.
“I’ve been very busy just trying to get with people,” Jocketty said. “I had some conference calls and set up some meetings. I’ve got some (Reds front office people) coming into St. Louis. I”m being brought up to speed on a lot of things."
But is this supposed to mean that Jocketty is going to be running the Reds front office out of St. Louis?

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