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KRIVSKY FIRED

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Wayne Krivsky fired, to be replaced by Walt Jocketty.

 Krivsky's gone, to be replaced by Jocketty, I'm assuming through at least the end of the year. I'll see if I can dig up anything else.


 You have to wonder what changes Walt Jocketty will look to make. He WAS the GM who put STL over the top by bringing in McGwire. so there's that I guess.

 But how well has the Cardinals farm system produced major league players recently? Other than Pujols and Wainwright, nothing really comes to mind.

 Thoughts anyone? Can he take us where we want to go?

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In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:24 AM EDT   0 recs

also

this thread is rec’d

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

WOW

I don’t like this one bit. But, I don’t have time to elaborate. JUST WOW.

by Blue on Apr 23, 2008 11:25 AM EDT   0 recs

I think I'm in the

“turnover every 2 years is not a good way to manage” camp. I was starting to come around on Krivsky. He’s not great, but I was just starting to see his plan. And now Jocketty is gonna come in and implement a whole new plan that hopefully won’t involve trading all our youth for veterans.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess I could take Wayne or leave Wayne but...

I have a baaad feeling that this is some kind of catalyst in the “must win now” equation.

Nice knowing ya, Homer.

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 11:40 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I wonder if Bob's frustrated at the roster construction too

It’s kind of a mess right now. 4 guys who play CF. No real back up at SS and the actual SS doesn’t have a lot of experience there in the first place. Not a lot of quality on the bench. The only thing on the MLB roster that Krivsky seems to have gotten right is the pitching is most improved, though the bullpen is definitely shaky still.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I figured he was safe until the All-Srar break

I was wrong.

"Screw it. We've got bigger problems than a butter shortage."

by Ash on Apr 23, 2008 11:27 AM EDT   0 recs

Holy Shit

that was fast.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:28 AM EDT   0 recs

Slyde

Can you take a look and fix my HTML suckiness?

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 11:30 AM EDT   0 recs

I don't see any suckiness

What’s the problem?

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:31 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ah, now I see it after I refreshed..

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:32 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I wanted line breaks here and there

I’ll see if I can purty it up any through editing.

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 11:32 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I fixed

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Spanks man

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 11:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Any time.

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 11:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Anyone else having trouble with the Actions link in the comments section

I am able to use them on other SBN sites, but not on RR.

I tried using Firefox 2.0.0.12 & IE 7.0.5730.11

It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.

by Speedway on Apr 23, 2008 1:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

WHOA

I can honestly say I didn’t see this coming.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Apr 23, 2008 11:31 AM EDT   0 recs

One minute I am watching Rick Roll,

the next minute Krivsky is gone.

What next will the day bringeth?

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Apr 23, 2008 11:34 AM EDT   0 recs

Looks like Ash and I are going to the game tomorrow

I have a half price “coupon” for tickets. Would anyone else like to join us?

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:38 AM EDT   0 recs

thanks but no thanks

I have to go back to the cardiologist. Have a good time

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 23, 2008 11:39 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

we'll miss you

and good luck at the heart doc

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:40 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll let you know

I gotta see if I can get enough work done today.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:39 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

cool...let me know

it’s cueto!

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:40 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

holy crap! the reply actually worked correctly!

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:40 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I bet the bad contracts did him in

Having to eat the money given to Cormier, Stanton, and Castro couldn’t have been good for his future employment. And with Arroyo and BP and the team in general struggling, Bob might be getting itchy.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:41 AM EDT   0 recs

i wonder how long of a deal we're giving Jocketty

and for how much?

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So did Jockety turn a blind eye

to McGwire and the others who used steroids?

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 23, 2008 11:41 AM EDT   0 recs

If you're asking...

Was Walt Jockety involved with MLB in any way in the past twenty years?... the answer is “yes.”

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 11:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

walt jockety itch

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jocketty-pants

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jockpants.

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 11:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jock Rock

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm Walking on Walter

If you're not having fun, stop participating.

by redandblue on Apr 23, 2008 2:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jockstrap pants?

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Apr 23, 2008 4:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

PROPOSAL

LONG JOCK

I was on a flush draw?!?!?

by REDLEG5 on Apr 23, 2008 11:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Disk Jockety

Keep the hits comin’ Walt.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Apr 23, 2008 12:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

By hits I mean Rick Roll.

And by disk, I really mean Disc.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Apr 23, 2008 12:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

By hits I mean Rick Roll.

By Disk, I really mean disc.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Apr 23, 2008 12:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought someone hit a double in a game that I wasn't watching

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 1:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How about...

Mr. Bananas?

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Apr 23, 2008 2:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow

Didn’t see this one coming at all. I mean, yeah, Jocketty was lurking, but it’s still really early in the season and I couldn’t point to a specific (recent) fire-able offense.

Slyde might be on to something with too many bad contract extensions (Hi, Ryan Freel!). Maybe it was just a general inability to get a competent bullpen, since that’s what the majority of his moves revolved around. Strange.

I hope this works out, but I really would have been okay with Krivsky sticking around for a few more years.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 11:48 AM EDT   0 recs

brendan you mean you would propose an isaiah like extension?

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, I didn't mean have Krivsky stick around as an "advisor"

but not be allowed to have contact with his players.

Although, thinking of having Krivsky and Jocketty’s roles reversed is devilishly intriguing.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 11:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I forgot about Freel

And a short leash may work as a motivational tactic, but it doesn’t work as real strategy. Two years simply is not enough time for a GM to actually implement any kind of a plan. And now we’re going to be starting all over again.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

starting over

yes and no

starting over with zero prospects, like DanO did, is a much different scenario than starting over with quite a few, like Jocketty will be.

by bobestes on Apr 23, 2008 11:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Only one thing left to do...

Dibs on the office sweater chest!

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 11:49 AM EDT   0 recs

damnit!

I really wanted that too.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Does it smell of the musk of veteran presence?

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

apparently all it took to fix my computer was Krivsky getting fired...thank you reds

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:52 AM EDT   0 recs

How long until...

Homer is traded or brought up?

Griffey and/or Dunn are traded to make way for the Bruce?

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 23, 2008 11:56 AM EDT   0 recs

Griffey/Dunn won't be traded

Not with their veto power. I wonder though, maybe Wayne didn’t want to sign Dunn and Bob did? A guy can dream, can’t he?

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Just a wild hunch with no facts to back it up, but....

I think you may be right. Bob’s big on Dunn

by chesirecat on Apr 23, 2008 12:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

FWIW, the heads on WLW just said that supposedly Bob preferred Hatteberg over Votto.

But they were speaking in the past tense and the were speaking as if “only a dummie would not like Votto now.”

Also, the talked to Big Bob himself and he downplayed the Castro and Stanton contracts and echoed some “Losing is unacceptable” sentiment of Tracy Jones. All told, the interview was pretty bland and unrevealing. But you did get the distinct impression that Bob thinks that a 9-12 start is much much worse than a 12-9 start would have been. Odd.

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 4:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and tracy was very sexist

“WHO WAS THAT WOMAN AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE!”

I fucking hate Tracy, i kinda want him to go away.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 23, 2008 4:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That was silly but at WLW you gotta give the primates what they want.

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 4:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that is why i only listen to WLW when the Reds are on

otherwise when I am in Cincinnati my radio is dialed 90.9 or 91.7.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 23, 2008 4:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wrong

The correct (and only) answer was 97.7.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 4:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

um

I don’t know if you know this, but they’ve changed formats.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 5:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I thought WOXY was back on the air?

Or is it just internet only again? That thing has come and gone so often, it should just be called Jean Grey – The Days of Future Past of Rock and Roll.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 5:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not Max 97

or something like that. They play everything, except really good music.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 5:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Is WOXY on any channel now?

I’m Myspace friends with it, maybe I’ll just send it a message.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 5:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

WOXY

see my avitar

by the-dude on Apr 23, 2008 5:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I should amend the above statement..

..on AM sportstalk radio you gotta give the primates what they want.

Hugs, jch?

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 4:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that is why i like XM

there is some intelligent sportstalk radio. They just need to get rid of Rob Dibble.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 23, 2008 5:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Meh

Whattaya gonna do? They only give the people what they want, and they do it very well.

The more frightening way to look at it is that they’ve been #1 in the ratings for about 8 YEARS or so with that style of programming. What does that say about the general populace?

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 5:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 5:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I have a sinking feeling that it won't be long.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Apr 23, 2008 11:58 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They won't trade Griffey until at least after 600. And I doubt they trade KGJ trade at all.

And this is not the right point in the season to trade Dunn. The market is not hot with contenders trying to make a playoff push and excuse me for saying so but Dunn hasn’t been Dunntastic yet.

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 4:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I doubt Griffey's traded

But only because of his 10-5 status.

If trades are what worry you… didn’t Jocketty do the Mulder trade?

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 11:59 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not certain

but that’s probably the worst deal he made. As I recall, he has a pretty good track record with deals, though he tends to deal for scrappy veterans more than most of us would like.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 12:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Other things I remember about Jocketty

We were going after Scott Rolen pretty aggressively, and looked like we might get him. Then Jocketty and the Cardinals ponied up and got him instead. Much as I liked Aaron Boone, it would have been nice to have Rolen. I give him credit for getting Jim Edmonds as well. I think he doesn’t get credit for Pujols, because no one saw him coming. Although if we draft the best right-handed hitter of a generation in the 26th round, I’ll take that back.

Am I wrong in thinking the Cardinals rotation was often made up of glorified reclamation projects? Chris Carpenter, Woody Williams, one hit wonders like Kent Bottenfield and Jason Simontacchi… I think any pitching success has to mostly be credited to Dave Duncan, and I worry about what would happen if a strategy like that were implemented with Dick Pole at the helm. Hopefully Jocketty can realize that Cueto, Volquez, and Bailey are going to make a helluva core for a long time to come, and he’ll have the sense to build around that.

I guess the other interesting thing will be to see how Jocketty and Dusty get along. They’re both largely old school baseball men who have been around a long time with other organizations. Will Dusty still have the pull to land a Corey Patterson or a Jerry Hairston? If he doesn’t, is that a good thing?

As the saying goes, may you live in interesting times.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 12:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I can't shake the feeling

that Jocketty had a lot of good luck in St. Louis. Most of his good teams were real stars-and-scrubs outfits, and while the stars didn’t exactly fall into his lap they were more of a product of good fortune than good planning – the Carpenter signing, Edmonds revitalizing his career after 30, outstanding swan songs from Will Clark and Larry Walker, Weaver in the ‘06 playoffs, and of course Pujols. This doesn’t seem like a repeatable model for building a winning club. I’m sure you can say that good luck is critical for any successful team, but I just can’t fight the feeling that Jocketty is only a so-so GM who’s good at closing deadline deals but poor in the player development area. Glancing at the list below of the Cardinals’ drafts gives me pause, but it seems like every good team they had was just … lucky. I don’t know.

by ken on Apr 24, 2008 8:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs