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KRIVSKY FIRED

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Wayne Krivsky fired, to be replaced by Walt Jocketty.

 Krivsky's gone, to be replaced by Jocketty, I'm assuming through at least the end of the year. I'll see if I can dig up anything else.


 You have to wonder what changes Walt Jocketty will look to make. He WAS the GM who put STL over the top by bringing in McGwire. so there's that I guess.

 But how well has the Cardinals farm system produced major league players recently? Other than Pujols and Wainwright, nothing really comes to mind.

 Thoughts anyone? Can he take us where we want to go?

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In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

also

this thread is rec’d

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW

I don’t like this one bit. But, I don’t have time to elaborate. JUST WOW.

by Blue on Apr 23, 2008 11:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think I'm in the

“turnover every 2 years is not a good way to manage” camp. I was starting to come around on Krivsky. He’s not great, but I was just starting to see his plan. And now Jocketty is gonna come in and implement a whole new plan that hopefully won’t involve trading all our youth for veterans.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I could take Wayne or leave Wayne but...

I have a baaad feeling that this is some kind of catalyst in the “must win now” equation.

Nice knowing ya, Homer.

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if Bob's frustrated at the roster construction too

It’s kind of a mess right now. 4 guys who play CF. No real back up at SS and the actual SS doesn’t have a lot of experience there in the first place. Not a lot of quality on the bench. The only thing on the MLB roster that Krivsky seems to have gotten right is the pitching is most improved, though the bullpen is definitely shaky still.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I figured he was safe until the All-Srar break

I was wrong.

"Screw it. We've got bigger problems than a butter shortage."

by Ash on Apr 23, 2008 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy Shit

that was fast.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Slyde

Can you take a look and fix my HTML suckiness?

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 11:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't see any suckiness

What’s the problem?

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah, now I see it after I refreshed..

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wanted line breaks here and there

I’ll see if I can purty it up any through editing.

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I fixed

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spanks man

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any time.

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else having trouble with the Actions link in the comments section

I am able to use them on other SBN sites, but not on RR.

I tried using Firefox 2.0.0.12 & IE 7.0.5730.11

It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.

by Speedway on Apr 23, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHOA

I can honestly say I didn’t see this coming.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Apr 23, 2008 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One minute I am watching Rick Roll,

the next minute Krivsky is gone.

What next will the day bringeth?

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Apr 23, 2008 11:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Looks like Ash and I are going to the game tomorrow

I have a half price “coupon” for tickets. Would anyone else like to join us?

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks but no thanks

I have to go back to the cardiologist. Have a good time

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 23, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we'll miss you

and good luck at the heart doc

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll let you know

I gotta see if I can get enough work done today.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cool...let me know

it’s cueto!

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

holy crap! the reply actually worked correctly!

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet the bad contracts did him in

Having to eat the money given to Cormier, Stanton, and Castro couldn’t have been good for his future employment. And with Arroyo and BP and the team in general struggling, Bob might be getting itchy.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i wonder how long of a deal we're giving Jocketty

and for how much?

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So did Jockety turn a blind eye

to McGwire and the others who used steroids?

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 23, 2008 11:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you're asking...

Was Walt Jockety involved with MLB in any way in the past twenty years?... the answer is “yes.”

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

walt jockety itch

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jocketty-pants

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jockpants.

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jock Rock

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Walking on Walter

If you're not having fun, stop participating.

by redandblue on Apr 23, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jockstrap pants?

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Apr 23, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PROPOSAL

LONG JOCK

I was on a flush draw?!?!?

by REDLEG5 on Apr 23, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disk Jockety

Keep the hits comin’ Walt.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Apr 23, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By hits I mean Rick Roll.

And by disk, I really mean Disc.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Apr 23, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By hits I mean Rick Roll.

By Disk, I really mean disc.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Apr 23, 2008 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought someone hit a double in a game that I wasn't watching

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about...

Mr. Bananas?

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Apr 23, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Didn’t see this one coming at all. I mean, yeah, Jocketty was lurking, but it’s still really early in the season and I couldn’t point to a specific (recent) fire-able offense.

Slyde might be on to something with too many bad contract extensions (Hi, Ryan Freel!). Maybe it was just a general inability to get a competent bullpen, since that’s what the majority of his moves revolved around. Strange.

I hope this works out, but I really would have been okay with Krivsky sticking around for a few more years.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

brendan you mean you would propose an isaiah like extension?

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I didn't mean have Krivsky stick around as an "advisor"

but not be allowed to have contact with his players.

Although, thinking of having Krivsky and Jocketty’s roles reversed is devilishly intriguing.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot about Freel

And a short leash may work as a motivational tactic, but it doesn’t work as real strategy. Two years simply is not enough time for a GM to actually implement any kind of a plan. And now we’re going to be starting all over again.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

starting over

yes and no

starting over with zero prospects, like DanO did, is a much different scenario than starting over with quite a few, like Jocketty will be.

by bobestes on Apr 23, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only one thing left to do...

Dibs on the office sweater chest!

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damnit!

I really wanted that too.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does it smell of the musk of veteran presence?

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

apparently all it took to fix my computer was Krivsky getting fired...thank you reds

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 11:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How long until...

Homer is traded or brought up?

Griffey and/or Dunn are traded to make way for the Bruce?

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 23, 2008 11:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Griffey/Dunn won't be traded

Not with their veto power. I wonder though, maybe Wayne didn’t want to sign Dunn and Bob did? A guy can dream, can’t he?

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW, the heads on WLW just said that supposedly Bob preferred Hatteberg over Votto.

But they were speaking in the past tense and the were speaking as if “only a dummie would not like Votto now.”

Also, the talked to Big Bob himself and he downplayed the Castro and Stanton contracts and echoed some “Losing is unacceptable” sentiment of Tracy Jones. All told, the interview was pretty bland and unrevealing. But you did get the distinct impression that Bob thinks that a 9-12 start is much much worse than a 12-9 start would have been. Odd.

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and tracy was very sexist

“WHO WAS THAT WOMAN AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE!”

I fucking hate Tracy, i kinda want him to go away.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 23, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was silly but at WLW you gotta give the primates what they want.

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is why i only listen to WLW when the Reds are on

otherwise when I am in Cincinnati my radio is dialed 90.9 or 91.7.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 23, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong

The correct (and only) answer was 97.7.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

um

I don’t know if you know this, but they’ve changed formats.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought WOXY was back on the air?

Or is it just internet only again? That thing has come and gone so often, it should just be called Jean Grey – The Days of Future Past of Rock and Roll.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not Max 97

or something like that. They play everything, except really good music.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is WOXY on any channel now?

I’m Myspace friends with it, maybe I’ll just send it a message.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOXY

see my avitar

by the-dude on Apr 23, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should amend the above statement..

..on AM sportstalk radio you gotta give the primates what they want.

Hugs, jch?

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that is why i like XM

there is some intelligent sportstalk radio. They just need to get rid of Rob Dibble.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 23, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh

Whattaya gonna do? They only give the people what they want, and they do it very well.

The more frightening way to look at it is that they’ve been #1 in the ratings for about 8 YEARS or so with that style of programming. What does that say about the general populace?

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a sinking feeling that it won't be long.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Apr 23, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They won't trade Griffey until at least after 600. And I doubt they trade KGJ trade at all.

And this is not the right point in the season to trade Dunn. The market is not hot with contenders trying to make a playoff push and excuse me for saying so but Dunn hasn’t been Dunntastic yet.

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt Griffey's traded

But only because of his 10-5 status.

If trades are what worry you… didn’t Jocketty do the Mulder trade?

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not certain

but that’s probably the worst deal he made. As I recall, he has a pretty good track record with deals, though he tends to deal for scrappy veterans more than most of us would like.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other things I remember about Jocketty

We were going after Scott Rolen pretty aggressively, and looked like we might get him. Then Jocketty and the Cardinals ponied up and got him instead. Much as I liked Aaron Boone, it would have been nice to have Rolen. I give him credit for getting Jim Edmonds as well. I think he doesn’t get credit for Pujols, because no one saw him coming. Although if we draft the best right-handed hitter of a generation in the 26th round, I’ll take that back.

Am I wrong in thinking the Cardinals rotation was often made up of glorified reclamation projects? Chris Carpenter, Woody Williams, one hit wonders like Kent Bottenfield and Jason Simontacchi… I think any pitching success has to mostly be credited to Dave Duncan, and I worry about what would happen if a strategy like that were implemented with Dick Pole at the helm. Hopefully Jocketty can realize that Cueto, Volquez, and Bailey are going to make a helluva core for a long time to come, and he’ll have the sense to build around that.

I guess the other interesting thing will be to see how Jocketty and Dusty get along. They’re both largely old school baseball men who have been around a long time with other organizations. Will Dusty still have the pull to land a Corey Patterson or a Jerry Hairston? If he doesn’t, is that a good thing?

As the saying goes, may you live in interesting times.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't shake the feeling

that Jocketty had a lot of good luck in St. Louis. Most of his good teams were real stars-and-scrubs outfits, and while the stars didn’t exactly fall into his lap they were more of a product of good fortune than good planning – the Carpenter signing, Edmonds revitalizing his career after 30, outstanding swan songs from Will Clark and Larry Walker, Weaver in the ‘06 playoffs, and of course Pujols. This doesn’t seem like a repeatable model for building a winning club. I’m sure you can say that good luck is critical for any successful team, but I just can’t fight the feeling that Jocketty is only a so-so GM who’s good at closing deadline deals but poor in the player development area. Glancing at the list below of the Cardinals’ drafts gives me pause, but it seems like every good team they had was just … lucky. I don’t know.

by ken on Apr 24, 2008 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haren

Traded away Haren, too, right?

by bobestes on Apr 23, 2008 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

same deal

Mulder for Haren, Barton, and I can’t remember the 3rd player.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's smooth

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

trades don't worry me per se

I just hate trades made in haste, out of desperation.

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 23, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

brendan, why don't you move to cincinnati so you can be my best friend?

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't work

The friendship would fall apart around the second week of November.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to be a parrot

But I was floored to skip through the Enquirer site and see this little nugget buried.

I know that Bob has to hate eating those contracts, but I did not think there would be any moves made there before the end of the season, if then.

But the roster is kind of a mess…and it will be interesting to see how Walt solves the puzzle.

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Apr 23, 2008 12:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

whaaaa!!!

20 games in to the season???? i’m not a krivsky fan, but i figured he’d get at least half a season or so.

I am Bill S. Preston, Esquire.

by Dubman on Apr 23, 2008 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bob must have seen my avatar!

It’s a move that you don’t see coming unless you start looking.

What’s a GM’s job?
1. Construct a good roster. As has been pointed out, Krivsky failed.
2. Sign players to adventatous contracts. While the Harang/Arroyo contracts looked good at the time (though Arroyo’s less so today), and the last Dunn contract looked reasonable, that’s about it. Too many 2 year contracts to roster fodder; too much money to guys who’re pretty replacable. Again, Krivsky failed.
3. Don’t piss off the boss. Two-plus years of losing after Bob’s professed desire to “win now”. Again, Krivsky failed.

We should have seen it. The signs were there.

Often wrong, never uncertain.

by sidnancy on Apr 23, 2008 12:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

GM's Job

Build up the minors: Passed. It wasn’t all him, but the Reds have a lot more depth than they had 5 years ago and he gets some credit for that. His drafts weren’t pristine, but I’d say they were better than average.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And yes, I'm as baffled as anyone that I am defending Krivsky on the day he was fired.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard that.

"Joe is baseball in Cincinnati...We can lose players, managers and coaches, but we can't afford to lose Joe Nuxhall." - Sparky Anderson

by boohiss on Apr 23, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good drafts, yes

But Wayne has benefitted mightily from the picks made in the DanO regime.

by bobestes on Apr 23, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know
DanO did some good, but looking at John Sickels Top 20 from last year (just because it was easiest to find), I see a lot of Krivsky’s guys. Granted, part of that is because his picks haven’t had time to be weeded out, but outside of the big guys up top, there wasn’t a lot of depth from DanO:
  1. Jay Bruce, DanO
  2. Johnny Cueto, DanO
  3. Joey Votto, Bowden
  4. Homer Bailey, DanO
  5. Todd Frazier, Krivsky
  6. Matthew Maloney,Krivsky
  7. Devin Mesoraco, Krivsky
  8. Drew Stubbs, Krivsky
  9. Neftali Soto, Krivsky
  10. Kyle Lotzkar, Krivsky
  11. Daniel Dorn, Krivsky
  12. Jared Burton, Krivsky
  13. Tyler Pelland, Interim (forgot his name already)
  14. Pedro Viola, Krivsky
  15. Travis Wood, DanO
  16. Josh Roenicke, Krivsky
  17. Scott Carroll, Krivsky
  18. Chris Valaika, Krivsky
  19. Adam Rosales, DanO
  20. Sean Watson, Krivsky
  21. Brandon Waring, Krivsky

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just noticed that Darryl Thompson's not on the list either

and he could very well end up in the Top 5 next year.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

he got lucky as hell that that dart stuck, but i’d call it a 50-50 shot that daryl thompson is the best part of that trade. Austin Kearns and Felipe Lopez for Daryl Thomson and Bill Bray still isn’t a good deal, but at least we have a couple pieces to look forward to.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 23, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not crediting him for the The Trade whatsoever

even if it turns out to be a flop on both sides, it was still a bad deal at the time.

My point was more that Krivsky has played a very big role in adding a lot of depth to the minors, even if DanO gets most of the credit for the top players on the list.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

did it look like i was disagreeing with you?

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 23, 2008 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't fucking disagree with me

I will drink your milkshake!

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, where's my boy Sam LeCure?

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was Brad Kullman

but thanks

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it might have been Maddox

he and Kullman were co-GM’s between Bowden and DanO.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 23, 2008 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. Even I do not like this very much.

As bad as Wayne has been at times, there have been some steps in the right direction. The shitty extensions have to be a factor, but I’m now extremely worried about Homer and Edwin being on the way out. Jocketty has always had really strong defensive teams, and I just can’t see that boding well for Edwin or a Dunn re-signing. I also get the feeling that a big move is in the works simply for the sake of making a big move, and that might mean a Homer trade. I’m not opposed to trading him, but I don’t think the market is there to get a particularly high-impact guy.

I’m not sad that Wayne is gone and I don’t think we’ll miss his particular GMing abilities, but I’m just worried about the implications of a move this early in the season when most of the Reds problems so far really aren’t Wayne’s fault at all, just a result of some early season suckage out of players who aren’t likely to continue doing so.

On the bright side, I think Votto has done a good job entrenching himself on the team in the past couple of weeks, so I would be surprised if he were traded, and I would have to think Bruce is still just as untouchable. But I’m just not sure what’s out there for Jocketty to do that would be all that advantageous for us.

by Geki on Apr 23, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

After 21 Games?

There is nothing that happened in the first 1/8 of this season that should not have been anymore of a clue than what occurred last season. I just figured they would keep him on. Not that Jocketty is going to be better. The Cardinals are not the Reds and he did not leave St. Louis on the greatest of terms. Then again, if this is what it takes to strong-arm Dusty to never bat the Patterson-Harriston Out Machine Twins at lead-off, I am all for it.

by tonywf on Apr 23, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

The timing shocked me, I knew it was going to happen just not this soon. I wonder if the Josh Fogg fiasco had something to do with it. I mean Dusty hasn’t come out and said he doesn’t understand why some players are on the roster but he has put a lot of hints out there.

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by Pilsner73 on Apr 23, 2008 12:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure you can really call Josh Fogg a fiasco

He certainly hasn’t been good for us this season, but he’s a decent enough pitcher, coming off a World Series appearance. He pitched decently in spring training (better than Homer) and won the job. Affeldt was also brought in under similar conditions, and didn’t get a job in the rotation. But the biggest thing is that Fogg is only making $1 million this year. For that small amount of money, you’re allowed some leeway if your move doesn’t work out.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I meant more the way Dusty was going on that he didn’t even know Fogg was going to be on his roster.

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by Pilsner73 on Apr 23, 2008 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fogg was pretty bad....

....then again I remember the Dave Williams implosion. As much as I disliked Kriv at times, it’s not his fault that the Reds gutted their minor league system and have not developed a starting pitcher of note since Tom Browning. Those problems long predated him and goes back to when everyone’s favorite dog owner was haunting Riverfront. I am still amazed that he allowed Bowden to deal him some gimps in the Lopez-Kearns trade, which to me was what I assumed would have cost him his job last year. I assumed he would just stay after that, but I guess Bob operates on a different clock.

by tonywf on Apr 23, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

What does Marge have to do with it?

DanO left Krivsky with a ton of prospects.

by bobestes on Apr 23, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

She Gutted the Minors....

....back in the late ‘80s and early ‘90s. She set back the team big time in minor league player development after the mid-80s.

by tonywf on May 5, 2008 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

From the AP writeup:

Krivsky showed a fondness for signing older pitchers and making a flurry of trades. One of his most expensive decisions was giving left-handed reliever Mike Stanton a two-year, $5.5 million deal, far more than anyone else was offering. The tight-budget Reds got rid of him during spring training even though he was still owed $3.5 million.

by Gray on Apr 23, 2008 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've been wondering how the Reds came up with the $3M number for Patterson.

Could it be that that contract was the one that sealed Wayne’s fate. I understand that Dusty brought Patterson in to ST but that doesn’t mean that the eventual contract was Dusty’s work.

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn

I think this is a mistake—unless, of course, the Reds turn it around and make the playoffs. Then we’ll remember this day in a much different light. And I have to say, although I think Castellini jumped the gun, I do prefer that they make the move now, before the sesaon got away. Why fire Krivsky at the All-Star break if we’re ten under? What good would that do, except provide a boost when it’s too late?

So, roster moves?

So, I see Fogg being cut and Ross taking his roster spot. I see Hatteberg going as soon as Gonzalez returns, with Kepp and Votto sharing time at 1B. I see Bailey coming before June 1, perhaps at the expense of Belisle. I think Mercker may get cut and Bray may come up. I see Daryl Thompson in AAA soon.

What else?

by jamesp50014 on Apr 23, 2008 12:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't like this

Things were finally starting to come to furition. It is only 21 games. I don’t see how this is a good idea, I would have let him finish out the season. I don’t like Walt Jocketty one bit. I hope Bob doesn’t fire his GM every 2 years, because this is just spinning wheels. Why fire him now though? They coudl have put him on a short leash and required BOb to sign off on everything he does, beyond minor roster mooves. I did not see this comming.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 23, 2008 12:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bobby

steinbrenner w/o the money

by bobestes on Apr 23, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the drooling

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by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

any news on

david lee ross, and who will be sent down?

Jake Peavy's Testimony

by shortstopv2 on Apr 23, 2008 12:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought I was hallucinating

I’m going on about 3 hours of sleep, and I was half out of it on my couch when I saw the crawl at 12:05 on that dumb ESPN2 First Take.

Yeah, I’m a big Krivsky basher, and I figured Jocketty was waiting in the wings, but this was still a crappy way of doing it. Just 21 games…It would have seemed fair to Krivsky to give him at least until the ASB.

by cesarhernandez on Apr 23, 2008 12:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Krivsky is not a likeable guy

doesn’t really factor into whether or not he should have been fired, but i don’t think many people like him

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 12:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually from my understanding

Krivsky was pretty well-liked in baseball before he got the Reds GM gig, but he alienated a lot of people in the way he did his job.

by cesarhernandez on Apr 23, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus he seems like a butthole

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He pretty much pissed off

all of the long-time Reds scouts and farm people. Some turnover is understandable, but not cleaning out the whole thing.

by xjjeep90 on Apr 23, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Krivsky's behavior drove at least this long time Reds fan away from the team.

Maybe it seems like a small thing, but I so hated Krivsky I had trouble following the Reds over the last two years. Just as I can watch no movie, no matter how good it may be, that stars Tom Cruise, I could not follow the Reds as long as they were fronted by Krivsky. Krivsky is truely a nasty, lying, small-minded, selfish, amoral person who also happened to be a poor baseball GM.

Today, I feel like I might just find my way back into the family.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Apr 24, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

C'mon in and have a seat, Quinn. Hmm.. a bottle of wine would have been nice.

But you got me thinking…

Is there a Tom Cruise movie that is so good that I might insist that a Tom Cruise-hater should go see it?

I liked Magnolia in spite of Cruise’s performance so I couldn’t recommend it even I thought it was a must-see. And I don’t.

Color of Money.

Off the top of my head, that’s all I got.

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 24, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cruise

Before the whole Scientology clambake I used to defend Cruise (you may have noticed I tend to only advocate for things most people hate-true hipster 4 life). Actors as powerful as Cruise can be considered auteurs-he can greenlight any project by attaching his name—and he seems to choose thematically consistent roles. Yes, he always plays the cocky young upstart who’s mentored by an older father figure, but he does it so well (this makes him a great pairing with Paul Thomas Anderson because all of his movies are about this).

Most impressive is the way Cruise sought out and worked with every major director working during his era—Spielberg, Kubrick, Anderson, Barry Levinson, Coppola, DePalma, Cameron Crowe, Ridley Scott, Sidney Pollack, Robert Redford, Michael Mann… um, Rob Reinar. Most stars of his magnitude work with a pet director or avoid working under someone who will hold more clout on set. This suggests to me that he’s serious about his craft and not just a pretty boy.

But yeah, after the Scientology stuff came to a head I have a hard time watching him in movies I once liked. It’s hard to shake him telling Matt Lauer, “I’ve read the medical journals! Not just scripts!”

by Red Menace on Apr 24, 2008 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff.

It will be interesting to see what path his career takes over the next ten, twenty or thirty years. It’s not like he’s going to go away. And it’s not likely that he’ll keep making Mission: Impossibles and such.

You got me thinking and I checked out his filmography.

I think I liked Minority Report more than most folks. And Collateral was much better than I had anticipated. (I might suggest it for the lover of cool movies who happens to hate Tom Cruise. Just a suggestion.)

All that said, here’s my Tom Cruise time capsule for the masses:

Risky Business
Color of Money
Rain Man

I don’t love Rain Man but if one assumes that Top Gun, Jerry Maguire, A Few Good Men and perhaps the MI’s are the ones that are always going to be with us, I’ll go ahead and throw Rain Man into my vault. (Valeria Golina is just enough to tip the scales.)

Here’s Cole Trickle’s complete filmography.

And I haven’t seen Born on the Fourth of July since it was in theaters. Can anybody comment on how its aged?

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 25, 2008 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot Scorsese and Oliver Stone

It will be interesting to watch Cruise’s career progress, although I’ll most likely be pirating his films rather than seeing them in theaters. Isn’t it disconcerting to find out about artists’ obsessions and fallacies? Did you know the Foo Fighters did a concert in support of the biggest HIV Denial organization?

by Red Menace on Apr 25, 2008 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what the fuck

how was he nasty and lying? He was secrative a paranoid, but that worked to the organizations advantage. If he were really small minded he would have traded for Bedard, or Haren, or Blanton to win now, but he stuck with his guns. I really don’t think you can call him amoral. No dead hookers in the trunk, and I don’t think he stills childrens puppies to eat them. If a GM can drive from a team that you loved you should probably stay away.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 25, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nasty and Lying

He treated everyone around him who did not fall behind him in a very disrespectful and dismissive manner. You have presumably read about the long time employees who left the Reds saying they were treated like crap by Krivsky when they did not fall in as “yes men.” Krivsky was a perfect storm of arrogance and ignorance.

Krivsky lied throughout his tenure as the GM. He would say one thing, and do another. He would say he was going to do one thing, and then not do it. He would never, never, never accept any form of personal responsibility for his many mistakes. He never admitted to a mistake. If you asked him today, what decision that you made as GM of the Reds do you most regret, ten to one he would reply, "None of them. I regret nothing."

If judged based on the character of his soul, he truly was a worthless being as GM of the Reds. He rises perhaps to the level of “somewhat below average” if judged on the basis of his ability to manage a major league baseball organization.

I followed the Reds daily from 1983 until 2005. I started breaking from the team on the day of the July 13th massacre. I found so little joy in the Reds while they were managed by Krivsky I did something I thought I never would in 2006, I found a different MLB team to root for. It just hurt too much to watch a team I so loved for so long led by that worthless paranoid piece of Nixonian crap in a sweater vest. I just found it healthier to move on. Maybe I will find my way back now. The Reds are deep in me. I grew up with them.

Amoral does not mean immoral, it means lacking a sense of morality. That word exactly describes Krivsky. He is not immoral, he simply has no concept that truth or honesty or integrity have any intrinsic value. These concepts are only of value to him if they can be used to his advantage. Otherwise they are just empty words. That is how Krivsky managed the Reds.

The only difference between Sweater Pants and Leather Pants is the sanctimonious attitude that Krivsky adopts. At least Bowden owns up to his character. Machiavelli can be tolerated when he wins – not when he loses and pretends that his mistakes were all forgivable because he was always on the side of the angels.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Apr 26, 2008 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But how do you really feel?

So what was the other team you rooted for in ‘06?

by Red Menace on Apr 26, 2008 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Royals, dude

He found salvation before the rest of us. The sweet salvation of 3-games under .500 instead of 6.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 26, 2008 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is the Royals

I moved to Kansas in 2004 and now follow the Royals. My first couple years here I watched the Reds games every night on MLB.com, but the second half of 2006 I just found it too depressing to push on, even though the Reds were still in the race for the division until the last day. Not that the Royals were a better team than the Reds, but they were local, and even back in 2006 I had more faith in their ability to improve than I did of the Reds while Krivsky was in charge. Rooting for the Royals was harmless and kinda fun. I found rooting for the Reds at the same time frustrating and depressing.

And I will own up to it. I do let my anger at Krivsky get the better of me. I can’t explain why. It just happens. Just every bit of the man grates on me.

I am pretty well 100% certain that you will never read a story about how much Krivsky is missed by those who worked with him in Cincinnati.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on Apr 26, 2008 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how did you watch them when Bowden was running the team?

he is a terrible human being.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 26, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Bowden is an SOB.

but I found him easier to live with because at least he owned up to his behavior. Bowden was up front about willing to act like an SOB if it gave the team an edge. Bowden also communicated much more openly with the fans and community.

I guess the difference is between a narcissistic, semi-competent dealer and a paranoid, sanctimonious, semi-competent liar with delusions of infallibility. I found the former easier to live with.

Bowden was also willing to work with people who disagreed with him. Krivsky treated the organization as a private club. You either fell in line and agreed with him, or he marginalized and humiliated you until you left on your own accord. It was his pattern. No wonder his firing surprised him. He wouldn’t allow anyone around him willing to offer an honest critique of his performance and management style.

Judging by his post-firing comments, I gather Krivsky has learned nothing by the whole experience. He is what he is.

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by James Quinn on Apr 26, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Refresh my Memory

How long did Tony Perez get before he was axed as the Reds manager?

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by Pilsner73 on Apr 23, 2008 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i wanna say 44 games..

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

then say it

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 23, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok then 44 games says i

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe he did

I’ve often found that stuff that comes out of my mouth doesn’t always appear on the internet. Thankfully.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks slyde

for defending me from the evil caleb

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

evil?

it must be as a result of the mad scientist er doctors at the hospital

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 23, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And don't get me started on Jock

We all might be wishing for Krivsky by this time next season

by cesarhernandez on Apr 23, 2008 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does Jockettyt's hiring mean we are getting LaRussa?

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 12:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why?

we have Dusty already.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

was this a joke reply to my joke?

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont get it

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 23, 2008 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

poor boobs

he never gets it

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your's wasn't a joke

You really thought that.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually i prayed for it last night

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last night was 80's night.

God wasn’t listening to prayers in the 80’s. He was maaaaad at us then.

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

was anyone else coming around on wayne?

i was starting to think he had a clue. His last interview on FSN was particularly telling, I thought. He was very candid, which was new, and he was making lots of sense (saying our offensive struggles were do to a small sample size, among other things). He said we would consider keeping three catchers on the roster, but certainly not for the whole season as that was not an ideal makeup. I was getting the feeling that he was a guy who was coming into his own as a GM. I think we’ll see him have more success somewhere else.

In the end, though, I guess The Trade and signings like Stanton and Cormier did him in.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 23, 2008 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Krivsky knew he was getting canned last night

and he didn’t give a shit in his interview on FSN.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was coming around on Wayne...

But when Big Bob hired old buddy Jock before the season, the writing was on the wall for poor Wayne. Sure there were some stinkers (trades, contracts), but the farm system is deeper and Kriv managed to acquire Phillips, Keppinger, Hamilton/Volquez, Burton, Arroyo and Bako for basically nothing.

I also question the timing. Bob HAD to know, as soon as he hired Jocketty, that Kriv was on the way out, so either fire him right then and there, before the season, or give it most of the year (at least a chance! not 21 games) to see if it could be turned around.

Maybe Jocketty was starting to poke around for the next full-time gig and Bob wanted to lock him up. Who knows.

by bengalred on Apr 23, 2008 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I kind of got the sense

That Jocketty has just been using this time to learn the system and become acquainted with what we do and don’t have. Sort of like when Dusty came in and kept saying he didn’t know anything about the players on the team. Well, Jocketty’s had an incubation period where he can learn and not have to do anything like add players or make trades without having a reasonable grasp of what he has or what he needs. Now he does. Now he can be GM.

I could be way off on this, though.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was coming around on Wayne.

He did some good, and he did some bad. I like the future of the Reds (although a lot of the work was done by Dan O’Brien, the witch).

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Apr 23, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

David Pinto gets credit for the best headline

Krivsky Creamed

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i hope enrique cruz wasn't around

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

Well done.

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

from Fay

Castellini: It was time

I just spoke briefly to Reds CEO Bob Castellini. I asked him why they made the move with Wayne Krivsky now.

“We’re not winning. We haven’t started well. It was time.”

He said the move was a difficult one.

“He gave it his all. He’s a good guy.”

Castellini will have more to say at the 4 p.m. press conference.

I think the thing that did Krivsky in was contracts. Mike Stanton, Rheal Cormier, Juan Castro. I’ve also heard that he and Walt Jocketty were not getting along great.

Krivsky and I had our differences. But I liked the guy. He’ll land on his feet.

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 23, 2008 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well, as long as Fay liked him

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know that's something

I’d put on my resumay.

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the fuck's a "Krivsky"?

Don't listen to Stalin, kid, he's a punk...

by Man Mountain on Apr 23, 2008 1:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's like a "Kullman"

without the side of John Allen.

I'm thirsty.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 23, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Players

From Lance’s blog, apparently the players expected it eventually, just not the timing. Hey, perhaps Wayne will come over to PBS?

by Kirkendall on Apr 23, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Krivsky was good and bad...

I must admit I was starting to be hopeful because the young players are really exciting. Anybody who can have a stable of prospects that starts with Cueto, Bruce, Volquez, Votto and Bailey with real depth in A and AA has to be doing something right, fixation on old relievers notwithstanding. I would take the occasional Stanton signing in exchange for a minor league system that is this good. As much as I have been on his case in the past, I think firing him at this juncture, just as he was seeming to “get it,” was a mistake. Either you fire the guy right after The Trade (at the end of the season) for gross negligence or you give him at least until the end of this year to see if his plan worked. Don’t pull the plug now.

My hope is that Jocketty doesn’t do another Haren-for-Mulder trade somewhere along the way. The Cards’ system has not been good. My hope is that this doesn’t ruin a good thing by drafting poorly in future years and/or trading everyone away for veterans that may or may not help with “winning now.”

The good:
Not trading any of the big five for Erik Bedard or any other overpriced veteran starter.
Trading for Arroyo.
Extending Harang and Arroyo.
Extending Dunn until this season.
Picking up BP for a PTBNL.
Picking up Hamilton in the Rule V and trading him for a slightly-used Volkswagen.
Trading for David Ross.
Acquiring Jared Burton (jury is still out).
Generally drafting well (other than as noted below).
Generally staying out of the way of young players’ development (except perhaps for EdE).
Signing Hatteberg.
Signing Francisco Cordero.
Keeping David Weathers (jury is still out).

The bad:
The Trade (although looking back it might not have been a complete catastrophe, only a disaster).
Signing Stanton.
Signing Cormier.
Three Catchers.
Trading for and then re-signing Casto.
Extending Freel (although pre-concussion it looked OK).
Stubbs instead of Lincecum (not as bad as before, but still bad).
Giving away Brendan Harris for nothing.
Allowing Chad Moeller to be on a 40-man roster.

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Apr 23, 2008 1:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jury's still out on extending Arroyo

He hasn’t made it to his extension years yet.

by rojosoto on Apr 23, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sort of

He’s being paid more this year than he would have been previously, had he not signed the extension. The extension over-wrote his salary for this season.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope

he ends up being the most over-paid 5th starter in the Central.

I'm thirsty.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 23, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chad Moeller...

...is currently on the Yankees’ 25-man roster. And he’s hitting .350 / .435 / .600.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Apr 24, 2008 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh

I’m not sure what to make of this decision. I know that Jocketty is known as an anit-SABR guy so that won’t be much of a change from the current. Maybe this is the old man’s way of saying “OK, screw it!” and getting ready to clean house (Patterson, Freel, and such)-not sure.

I'm thirsty.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 23, 2008 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Castellini eating money

Castellini ate too much money recently. Plus, some of the bench issues are hampered by $million contracts on the bench. Hatteberg, Castro, Valentin are all over $1 million. Freel over $3 million. Throw in Stanton and Patterson, and that’s a lot of money on players whose performance is deserving near ML minimum.

by rojosoto on Apr 23, 2008 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I think Castellini is willing to take some hits financially but this seems like he’s really eating a lot of contracts this year. Hopefully he’s found his man and second, that Jocketty wants to win as badly as his boss does.

Just holding my breath that he let’s these younger pitcher develop and keeps this rotation together.

It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.

by Speedway on Apr 23, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to tell you the truth

your last two sentences seem to be in conflict to me. The Reds aren’t ready to win this year. Their best chance was for the rest of the division to be like it has the last two seasons and for the Reds to play a little over their heads. If win now is the M.O., then they aren’t going to let the young guys figure it out at the MLB level.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you when you say that the best scenario would be if
Their best chance was for the rest of the division to be like it has the last two seasons and for the Reds to play a little over their heads.

I am just saying that I hope Castellini got his man – someone with the same baseball ethos. It just seems like Castellini got the wrong man in Krivsky and that their personal M.O.s clashed.

I also think that Castellini went with Baker as a big name hire and that the Krivsky-Baker tandem seemed to be pulling in different directions.

Personally, I’d like to see the GM-go-round stop. Let’s see what this rotation can do. Let them play.

From a business standpoint Castellini has shown he’s willing to eat some dough and not hold onto someone who isn’t producing just because they have a contract.

It's a Horns' world. Even Aggies play hoops with a burnt orange ball.

by Speedway on Apr 23, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Possible sticking points between them ...

Dunn, Baker, Castro, Cormier, Freel, Stanton, Majewski, Fogg … Wayne made his share of mistakes, and he tended to sign them too long. But I would hang Patterson on Baker. I would look for a move on Dunn, even if it is just not signing him. He may be untradable. But it hurts having that dead zone in the power part of the lineup. Stats don’t tell the whole story – RISP and LOB are a large part of it too, and a walk doesn’t knock in runs.

by Mark T on Apr 23, 2008 1:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yep, Dunn's the probelm

cut him.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

i hope it's jocketty's first move

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 23, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But then

what would Paul Daugherty have to do?

I'm thirsty.

by Pops Daniels on Apr 23, 2008 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully move

to whatever city Dunn is traded to.

by rojosoto on Apr 23, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

"Stats don't tell the whole story - look at these stats out of contest"

stellar work, T

Don't listen to Stalin, kid, he's a punk...

by Man Mountain on Apr 23, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but...

what if the bases are loaded?

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

then

Dunn would still be a poopy-head that wets his pants, but one with an RBI.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. -Tom Waits and others

by Pops Daniels on Apr 23, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know i was thinking last night at the game...

Dunn hit an opposite field home run, but if he wasn’t a lazy ass that played golf all the time, he would have won me that damn truck!

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

With a few more sac-flies the economy might pick up and with a .300 BA he might get us out of Iraq.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. -Tom Waits and others

by Pops Daniels on Apr 23, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Dunn's untradable.

Tell that to the long list of contenders lining up to throw offers at Krivsky for him around the trade deadline last year.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Apr 23, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'd say there will be a decent market for him around the deadline this year

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't matter right now

It just doesn’t seem feasible that Dunn would go from trying to be a team leader in the Spring to accepting a trade after 21 games. Maybe he gets traded at the deadline, but I think he wants to stay in Cincinnati.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can't be traded yet, no?

Wasn’t that part of the option dealio?

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has a no trade clause

which really only means that he has to accept whatever trade is proposed for it to happen. Come June 15th, he has to give them a list of 10 teams to whom he’ll accept a trade. If one of those teams makes a deal with the Reds for Dunn, he’s gone.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OIC

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah that's why i was talking about the deadline

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and that's why I didn't respond to you

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh sorry dood!

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wRECked

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. -Tom Waits and others

by Pops Daniels on Apr 23, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Krivsky vs. Baker

Think Baker and Krivsky had any run ins. Baker publicly expressed displeasure recently about Fogg being in the rotation.

by rojosoto on Apr 23, 2008 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I definitely think there is more to the story that we'll never know.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, let's make it up!

And start the Red Reporter Drama Club!

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does this mean

that we have to wait a couple of seasons to get the full force of Jocketty’s “plan.” Not that we weren’t going to have to wait to contend anyway.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. -Tom Waits and others

by Pops Daniels on Apr 23, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Krivksy retrospective

I feel like breaking down all of Krivsky’s moves in his tenure—with what we knew at the time and the benefit of hindsight. Anyone want to join me for a Rob-and-Rany-esque dialogue?

by Red Menace on Apr 23, 2008 2:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm your huckleberry

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks doc

First order is to put together some sort of chronological list of the moves (and non-moves, rosters constructions, etc).

by Red Menace on Apr 23, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha

Done. And Done.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are also more menial transactions on MLB.com

Such as who was recalled from the minors and who was DL’d when.

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/team/transactions.jsp?c_id=cin

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to call Daugherty

It’s just a shame that anyone can go to this website and sound smart.

by Red Menace on Apr 23, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lance mcallister has them on his blog,

i’d grab them but my com[uter is broken again

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McCoy

doesn’t have too many nice things to say about Kriv.

“Nobody likes to see anybody lose his job, especially a friend. But Krivsky cut his own throat.

Jocketty is a good man, too, and a solid baseball man. Things should change, and much for the better.”

by bengalred on Apr 23, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

i didnt see that coming

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 23, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

neither did he

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too soon?

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This may get me yelled at

But I’ve always gotten the feeling from McCoy that like so many others in our pool of local journalists, he pines for the days of the Big Red Machine and lauds anything to do with old-school baseball ways.

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be, could be

but McCoy generally seems to make rational, well-grounded arguments. This article seems to have a lot of emotion you don’t normally see from a 97-year old man

by bengalred on Apr 23, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have a link?

I don’t normally read McCoy for the reasons stated above, but I’d like to take a look. And I’m lazy. :)

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hal's bias is to talent

He’s been saying from the beginning of spring training that Jay Bruce should be on the Opening Day roster

by cesarhernandez on Apr 23, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no...

Another good/great “baseball guy.” Just what we needed to make sure there’s enough Veteran Presence and playing baseball the right way around here.

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Apr 23, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh

I hope this isn’t one of you guys:

Don’t forget letting Cantu go – we could have a 120RBI guy at 3B NOW. Now we have Hairston when the consummate leadoff hitter sits the bench and can play CF (Hopper), and led the league in hitting in Aug/Sep 07. Dusty isn’t any better than Krivsky.

It’s funny how when it comes to something like RBI, if a player does something one season, that’s who they are forever. But then Dunn drives in 100 runs in 3 of the last 4 years and he is not a run producer. BTW, EdE and Cantu are both having pretty much the same season so far, including playing less than stellar defense.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CANTU!!!!!1!!!!!11

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Apr 23, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

probably that Butcher guy

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 23, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was me

i dont think dusty is any better a GM than Krivsky. What a stupid hire for Schott to make.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 23, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i still think

letting cantu go was a big mistake krivsky made. We just let him walk, for nothing. And now i dont think he would be playing 3rd for us im sure we could have used his right handed bat.

Jake Peavy's Testimony

by shortstopv2 on Apr 23, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I recall, there was a difference in opinion of what we wanted to pay him

I think there was also some gambling going on about picking up another player? Or was it just letting him go to make room for that dumb Rule V pick up? Either way, it was kind of a bungle, but I remember that it was at least plausibly defensible. He would be good as a right-hander off the bench, spelling Votto every now and then, but them’s the breaks.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm having a total Three Faces of Eve moment right now.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting article

Krivsky’s secrecy was rather annoying. The CIA is more forthcoming.

But I doubt that’s the reason he was fired.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Apr 24, 2008 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What time is the press conference?

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 23, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

4:00 PM

3:00 PM Mountain

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well that doesn't make ANY sense

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mountian man

gets his own showing? thats not fair!!!

Jake Peavy's Testimony

by shortstopv2 on Apr 23, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I'm schizophrenic

I’m starting to think this really might be me. I have no knowledge of writing these posts, or memories of such a thing, but damn. Maybe there are periods when I just go blank, and when I come to, there’s a new shortstop post. Multiple personalities are a crazy thing, right Herschel? At any rate, hats off to you, random personality.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 23, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do what I can

My fingers lagged considerably behind my brain there. Let’s try again:

4:00 PM Eastern
3:00 PM Central
2:00 PM Mountain
1:00 PM Specific

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 2:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anybody live in the mountains?

They should have caught the news conference 30 minutes ago. What was said?

by rojosoto on Apr 23, 2008 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

recd

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 23, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Denver, here

Basically, in a nutshell:

“Kriv fucked my daughter. I had to can his ass”
-Bob C.

by bobestes on Apr 23, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some of Jockstrap's draftees

Using baseball-reference.com to look at Cardinal’s June draft. Jocketty’s first was 1995. Some notables from the list (in order from most recently drafted backward):

Daric Barton
Anthony Reyes
Dan Haren
Yadier Molina
Chris Duncan
Albert Pujols
J.D. Drew
Rick Ankiel
Matt Morris

“Still Active Picks from Cardinals”
Year Round Player
2003 1 Daric Barton
2003 3 Dennis Dove
2003 7 Brendan Ryan
2003 15 Anthony Reyes
2002 16 Brad Thompson
2001 2 Danny Haren
2001 5 Skip Schumaker
2001 8 John Nelson
2001 19 Shane Komine
2001 23 Kevin Correia
2000 2 Chris Narveson
2000 4 Yadier Molina
2000 10 Carmen Cali
2000 11 John Gall
2000 34 Tyler Johnson
1999 1 Chris Duncan
1999 4 Ben Johnson
1999 4 Jimmy Journell
1999 7 Coco Crisp
1999 13 Albert Pujols
1998 1 J.D. Drew
1998 5 Steve Stemle
1998 9 Jack Wilson
1998 13 Les Walrond
1998 41 Justin Knoedler
1997 1 Adam Kennedy
1997 2 Rick Ankiel
1997 4 Xavier Nady
1997 9 Seth Etherton
1997 15 Jason Michaels
1996 1 Braden Looper
1996 21 Randy Flores
1995 1 Matt Morris
1995 34 Kerry Robinson

by rojosoto on Apr 23, 2008 2:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ah carmen cali

i hope the jocketty era signals we’re going going, back back, to cali cali

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 23, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

he doesn’t seem to have a lot of success in the 18th round.

If you're not having fun, stop participating.

by redandblue on Apr 23, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's got a pretty good team right there

Just a quick rundown (I may miss somebody)
C – Molina
1B – Barton
2B – Polanco
3B – Pujols (may have stayed playing 3B if not for Rolen, though the elbow wouldn’t allow it at this point)
SS – Jack Wilson
LF – Duncan
CF – Crisp
RF – Drew

SP – Haren
SP – Morris
SP – Ankiel (if you assuming he doesn’t go bonkers)
SP – Looper
P – Brad Thompson
P – Kevin Correia

Plus a scattered few bench players like Jason Michaels, Xavier Nady and Adam Kennedy. It’s not too bad, and I’d be pretty confident in saying that it’s better than what the Reds produced over the same time span.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

funny

i dont see chris gruler on jocketty’s list. Or Jeremy Sowers. Booyah!

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 23, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

forgot about this one

we should also give credit to sweaters for acquiring keppinger for Russ Haltiwanger. Although a bullpen of Haltiwanger and Coutlangus might have been the greatest thing ever to exist

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 23, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sure

with proper coaxing from Dick Pole. (I even grumbled at this one)

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. -Tom Waits and others

by Pops Daniels on Apr 23, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did anyone really not see this coming?

I think they just let Krivsky ride through spring training so as to not put a damper on fan’s excitement. They were just waiting for the opening day euphoria to wear off before pulling the trigger.

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by Obi Juan Kenobez on Apr 23, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i think it's strange

coming the day after a win highlighted by a great performance by Volquez, a product of Krivsky’s greatest move.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 23, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But also the day after Hairston comes up and has four hits in the leadoff position.

Maybe Wayne was against that signing but in favor of Patterson.

Silly speculation, I know. But we are bloggers.

"The rain on my car is a baptism, the new me-- Ice Man Power Lloyd-- my assault on the world begins now."

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 23, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one of my first questions to Jock would be

about the 2008 draft choice. I’m curious to see what direction he will head in . If I remember correctly the Reds have either the 7th or 8th pick.

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 23, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

who will be the GM in 2010?

and again in 2012, 2014, I guess it makes sense to get a new GM every even year, it falls in line with when we get a new Congress, President (some years) and Governor (other years), so we should get a new GM to go with it.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 23, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bring in Hilary

she’ll need something to do

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 23, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a better question might be

who will be the manager in 2010? When Dusty doesnt take the Reds to the playoffs, he’ll be easily axed by jocketty. And then we get to be up close and personal with larussa

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 23, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TLR Me ASAP

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

i know i sound like an idiot today, saying im not a “fan” of homer’s and defending krivsky, but i kinda.. like… dusty. Is that OK?

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 23, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does Homer

come off as an arsehole? He kinda looks like it. As for Dusty, I find him equally frustrating and likable. For every idiotic on-field decision that he makes, I think I like the way he handles the players. It’s kind of a wash for me, except that Corey Patterson tips the scales slightly more to the side of dislike.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. -Tom Waits and others

by Pops Daniels on Apr 23, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with this guy.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I should have put a

Jock-o-latern sez:

Before that. I have no interest in TLR.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've come around on Dusty

way more than Krivs… So yes, it’s ok sez I!

by sukr on Apr 23, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you seriously want that

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With Chris Henry gone

we need some more criminals in this town.

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“You know who this is? This is LaRussa.”

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. -Tom Waits and others

by Pops Daniels on Apr 23, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TLR comes

and I’m done with the Reds for the length of his tenure. Also, Marty would have a brain hemmorage. As a side note, I pressed reply to ‘than and my font got all big and the other comments are big and f-ed up now. Are your compter deficiences now being passed along like a virus?

by chesirecat on Apr 23, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i guess i'm infecting you all

this is one of the most frustrating things i’ve every endured.

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

am i the only one who thinks the Dusty was a Bob hiring not a Wayne hiring?

I think Krivksy liked have the Jerry Narron’s, Dave Miley’s (before his time), and Pete McKanin’s of the baseball world, because they didn’t have big nams. Guys like them didn’t have as much pull in the organization as Dusty does. I am guessing Patterson and Harriston were Dusty’s ideas. I can’t imagine Krivsky would have given $3M to Patterson on his own, Dusty may even have told Patterson to hold out, and not take just a Million or less as would be standard, because he knew that the organization would do what he wanted. I am guessing if it were up to Wayne, he would have kept MaCakin or would have hired someother unknown “Baseball man”. So instead of having a cheap manager who nobody has ever heard of (who could be as bad as Narron) the Reds have a bad manager who is expensive, and a baseball intellectual according to Marty.

I want somebody like the Pirates new GM, who believes in stats. Theo Epstein does it with stats so does Billy Beane.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 23, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Word was

That most people wanted McKraken to stay on, but were overridden by Big Bob’s wanting a big name.

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 23, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well i dind't really have a problem with Macakininieineiniroiuearioa esuroimdsoiuafm (needed a third spelling)

He seemed to be a rather average manager. He didn’t really seem to help or hurt the team ( but I thought that about Narron in 2005), but Bob wanted to sell season tickets. I was excited by Bob at first, but I think he might be a little overzealous in his running of the team. I guess he is better than Hank Steinbrenner.

I would have liked to see Almazar as the next GM. I know he is gone, and the Reds would have had to get premission to interveiw him, but he seems talented. (see Johnny Cueto)

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 23, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was totally fine with Mackanin too

even if he was an unknown quantity. You know what you’re getting w/ Dusty

by chesirecat on Apr 23, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jocketty doesn't believe in stats?

That’s amazing. He was a general manager for all of those years, and even got a world series, but he doesn’t believe in stats. I guess Average, OBP, ERA, Wins, losses, and the like are just like Santa Clause to him.

I’m glad you alerted me to this, I’m gravely concerned about our future now!

In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.

by chandrathan on Apr 23, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he doesn't like sabrametrics

k/9, bb/9, k/bb, ops, things like that, those worthess stats that only souless people who don’t leave their mothers basements look at, oh and Theo Epstein and Billy Beane use them.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 23, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

why worry about numbers when selling your soul to the devil is so much quicker?

You're drowning in the past, Mike, and I've got your life jacket right here. It's called the 80s and it's gonna be around forever.

by Slyde on Apr 23, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About those contracts

I may be in the dark here but, doesn’t the owner have to sign off on all of those bad contracts. How much of a baseball man can Bob be if he agrees to pay Mike Stanton no matter what?

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. -Tom Waits and others

by Pops Daniels on Apr 23, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The owner has to give some power to the GM to make decisions

otherwise he’s just George Steinbrenner. Maybe Bobby C signed off on the deals, but he probably trusted Krivsky’s view that they were worth it.

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