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Game 20 Wrapup: Anyone else have a headache?

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I'll admit it.  I was looking forward to Belisle pitching tonight.  I honestly expected him to put up a better performance.  Then again, I was also worried that his performance in the minors was a mirage caused by the minors.  I'm not ready to give up on him, but he needs some serious improvement next game or else.  And for those pining for Bailey, remember that his success has come against the same people that Belisle dominated.  So, there are no guarantees.

 

Thank Cool God for EdE and Votto.  Without them the Reds may not have scored a run tonight.  I think it's time for Dusty to move them up in the order and give them a chance to do some damage earlier in the game.  And for that matter, put BP and Patterson down in the order until they get themselves straightened out.  Enough with these mini-moves.  Time to shake some stuff up.

 The Wagon toes the rubber tomorrow to help stop the bleeding.  Things need to turn around soon.  This team isn't this bad.  But damn, they sure are frustrating to watch.

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So what were you saying...

about how having Belisle as a 5th starter puts the Reds ahead of 66.6% of the NL? haha jk but seriously I hope for better results from him.

Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!

by Zach K on Apr 21, 2008 10:26 PM EDT   0 recs

He looked awful tonight

I hope he doesn’t look awful in his next start.

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 21, 2008 10:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I know you're half-joking...

..but without looking, how many MLB #5 starters can you name right now.

(Anyone is welcome to play along. I think I topped out at six. And I’ve been looking pretty closely at MLB rotations for two weeks now)

It sounds odd to say it but there just aren’t enough Belisle-quality starters to go around.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 21, 2008 10:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Homer Bailey

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 21, 2008 11:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He should probably just make that his signature

so you don’t have to follow him around with the pooper-scooper

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 22, 2008 11:06 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mike Mussina

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Apr 22, 2008 6:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Whoa.

Looks like I picked a good night for the kids to have bronchitis. (Not gonna lie. I did see some of Belisle’s flat performance. Ugh.)

Votto needs a nickname. A good one.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 21, 2008 10:27 PM EDT   0 recs

Nickname?

The Joey Fan Club could be the Vottonomous Collective.

Just throwing it at the wall, seeing what sticks. I’ll be working on this.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 21, 2008 11:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You're fooling yourself

it’s a self-perpetuating vottocracy.

by bbjones on Apr 22, 2008 2:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

keep working

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 22, 2008 10:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nicknames

On the way to work, I thought of a few (yes, traffic is horrible in Santo Domingo and yes, this naming thing is one of my favorite parts of RR). To avoid, “international shenanigans” I will post them separately.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Apr 22, 2008 7:53 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Vott-O' Canada

(or O’ Can for short)

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Apr 22, 2008 7:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd thought of this too

Joe Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 22, 2008 7:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The reVottolution

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Apr 22, 2008 7:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

as I mentioned in a previous thread, we now have some really good imports

1. VW
2. Quest (Nissan)
3. Volvo (I know it is German but that don’t make many good vottomobiles in Canada)

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Apr 22, 2008 7:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Has somebody said Vottomobile yet?

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 22, 2008 8:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

After (or right before) a homerun:

“Vottomobile, where is my dong?”

(80’s Night!)

by Brendanukkah on Apr 22, 2008 9:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Joey Sparkles

In honor of Canada’s greatest pop music export.

“Let’s Joe to the mall, everybody!” And don’t forget the roVott.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 22, 2008 7:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Domo Arigato, Mr. RoVotto

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 22, 2008 7:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And I'm not sure if I spelled that correctly

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 22, 2008 7:57 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's okay.

You say arigato like we say arigato.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Apr 22, 2008 10:23 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Can we call him The President?

Cause he has the Power of Votto. (Veto)

Shut up, it’s early.

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 22, 2008 8:01 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Prime Minister, if anything

Also, I was wondering if they had Mayors in Canada. And if not, what the equivalent title was. Alderman?

by Brendanukkah on Apr 22, 2008 8:02 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

They do have Mayors in Canada.

At least in Toronto.

They do not have senators and representatives there though, they have MPs, Members of Parliament.

That could make Votto a M(V)P.

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Apr 22, 2008 10:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jo-eh Votto

Had to be done…

by Brendanukkah on Apr 22, 2008 8:03 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jackpot?

"I don't want your life." - Johnny Moxon

by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Apr 22, 2008 9:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Like he won "the vottery?"

Wow…

"I don't want your life." - Johnny Moxon

by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Apr 22, 2008 9:56 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Is “Better than JV” too obvious?

If you're not having fun, stop participating.

by redandblue on Apr 22, 2008 5:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bailey glass half full moment

didn’t Belisle pitch 1 game in A, 1 game in AA and 1 game in AAA? So ( I’m hoping here) that Bailey has a little more credibility to his start than Belisle

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 21, 2008 10:30 PM EDT   0 recs

We can only hope

I really want to have something to care about this summer, and Homer probably’s a part of that if it is to happen. I hate it when the Reds crush my hope early.

by chesirecat on Apr 21, 2008 10:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice pics

And no, as I pointed out in the in-game thread, we’ve got a lot more to hope for than in some years past. I guess, I just want a playoff race. I suppose that’s a bit greedy, huh?

by chesirecat on Apr 21, 2008 10:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

just letting ya all know

this is not bobby the butcher, he is a friend of mine who i rec’d the site to

by shortstopv2 on Apr 22, 2008 2:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

massive hardon

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 21, 2008 11:20 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

aw yeah, Jay

show us what you got. Work that camera! Work it!

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 21, 2008 10:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jesus what a mess - I go bowling and come back to this...

It is amazing that Belizzle IS worse than Fogg. Un-fucking-believeable.
Boy of fucking boy oboyo – There’s no other course take – Fire Dusty. The VP malaise has set in and it will be a long lonely summer…so let’s get on the BLAME DUSTY bus. I’ll drive.

Tonight’s scores at the lanes
211
194
188
Not bad for an old guy. Bet I can beat Obama and Dusty together.

Radiohead killed the Video Star

by Madville on Apr 21, 2008 10:54 PM EDT   0 recs

The goddamn presidential race is way too long - too many debates and way too much bowling.

However I’d put my $$$ on Barack over Hilary and John mcCain at the lanes. course Hilary only rolls an 10lb ball and McCain uses an 8lbder. Hmmmm
Maybe that would be the best way to elect the next president have an 3 game bowl off. With commentary from Daedalus, Boobs and Man Mountain.

Radiohead killed the Video Star

by Madville on Apr 21, 2008 11:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

2 years

Is WAY too damn long.

by chesirecat on Apr 21, 2008 11:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

appropos of nothing

Obama had the nomination wrapped up 2 months ago. No way do supers tell a black man that has raised more money than God that they’re gonna go ahead and nominate the other candidate. If they do, Denver burns.

Obama will bury McCain in a sea of money. This has been a golden opening for McCain (the two dems tearing each other apart) and all he’s been able to do is pull even in the polling. Ruh roh.

by bobestes on Apr 22, 2008 12:21 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Al Gore had a 17 point point lead at this point in 2000

people are fickle. I’ve worked for the Obama campaign in a bunch of states and I’m a delegate to the convention, so I guess I’m biased (don’t hate me if you don’t like him, I understand his downside and have many Republican friends), but he’s really going to have to mess up to lose the general election. And he hasn’t yet in a year and a half of campaigning.

by chesirecat on Apr 22, 2008 12:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you have Republican friends?

yeah, i hate you.

Abraham Lincoln said that if you're a racist, I will invade you with the north.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 22, 2008 12:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ouch

I’ve maxed out on student loans for the campaign too. that hurts. By “many” I mean my grandparents.

by chesirecat on Apr 22, 2008 12:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i my be seeing you Denver

I am going to the convention with the Washington Center.

The Dusty Path to the World Series!*

*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.

by justin007000 on Apr 22, 2008 11:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hilary with bail after today

“for the good of the party”

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 22, 2008 10:26 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

let me make sure im not on that bus

we’ve had more than a decade of no playoffs, it can always be the manager

by shortstopv2 on Apr 22, 2008 2:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

we all keep thinking it

every one of us are thinking the same thing. “when the hell are these guys going to start hitting”? i know part of it is being spoiled by the aurelia’s of years passed, watching this team put up 6 runs a game only to lose 9-6. but the precipitous drop off in production, coupled by the new-found strength of the pitching, is making this team just gut-wrenching to watch. the leadoff spot is worst in the bigs. i dont need to look up the stats. even a michael or a ctownboy could see that. BP looks hopeless. Jr is ok, but his bat needs to be solidly above average. Dunn cant hit. so thats 1-4 in the lineup doing nothing but leaving greeting cards in the visitor clubhouse saying “how can we make your stay more comfortable?” Slyde is so right (for once). this lineup needs a complete overhaul. i propose:

Kepp
Dunn
Votto
EdE
Jr
Bako
Phillips
P
CF

unfortunately, to bat 1-2 in the lineup for Dusty Baker, you have to be either a minority or a middle infielder (or both, ideally). im not willing to crap on Dusty just yet, but damn, his leash was short to begin with.

and another thing: i cant BELIEVE how much money we are spending on CoPat and Freel this year to fuck it up out in CF. i mean, im not prone to profanity-laced rants on blogs, its just not my style, but shit. with the BEST PROSPECT IN THE WHOLE DAMN SHIT-EATING UNIVERSE having his way with AAA what the hell are corey patterson and ryan freel (and lil’ norris hopper) doing playing CF for this team, making the money they are making? if Big Bob is so willing to eat bad contracts, how about tanking CoPat and his 3 large a month into the season? you wanna win, then start fucking doing something about it. it makes me so goddamn mad because this is not a difficult job. knowing baseball is not difficult. talent evaluation and roster construction are so easy a 16-year-old kid in high school knows how to do it (im nudging you in the shoulder, crolfer). i mean shit folks.

Abraham Lincoln said that if you're a racist, I will invade you with the north.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 21, 2008 11:46 PM EDT   0 recs

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Moving Dunn to 2nd in particular, makes sense. If I recall right, this has been done in the past to pretty decent effect. And Bruce can’t be left languishing in AAA if this organization has a true commitment to success. Let Bruce develop w/ CP as a backup, if nothing else. The young guys are certainly working out

by chesirecat on Apr 22, 2008 12:48 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dunn batting 2

466 PAs

.278/.388/.554

79 runs scored

BABIP: .343 !!

Don't listen to Stalin, kid, he's a punk...

by Man Mountain on Apr 22, 2008 10:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow. Had no idea he'd had that many PAs/ABs up there.

When did that happen?

And let’s see here… 466 PAs divided by 4 equals roughly 116 games. And 79 runs divided by 116 equals roughly .7 runs per game. That’s good, right?

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 22, 2008 10:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mostly in 2001 and 2006

Year: PAs
2001: 192
2002: 47
2003: 39 (started 17 games leading off)
2004: 0
2005: 16
2006: 144
2007: 28

Don't listen to Stalin, kid, he's a punk...

by Man Mountain on Apr 22, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not that worried about the offense

Especially now that Castro’s gone.

They’ll come around. All hitters go into slumps sometimes, and sometimes they all go into slumps at the same time. The only thing to do is ride it out. It’s a long season, and it will even out in the end. (Though it’s a different story in the short post-season, as we Yankee fans sadly know.)

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Apr 22, 2008 6:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you missed "they have to stay within themselves"

and “there’s no accounting for taste.”

Don't listen to Stalin, kid, he's a punk...

by Man Mountain on Apr 22, 2008 10:28 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm just taking things one day at a time.

I’m seeing the ball well, making some good contact, but the hits just aren’t falling. I know I’ve got to step it up.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 22, 2008 10:30 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

"First off, I'm not gay"

Don't listen to Stalin, kid, he's a punk...

by Man Mountain on Apr 22, 2008 10:35 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And a A locked house is a safe house.

Just ask Dusty

Radiohead killed the Video Star

by Madville on Apr 22, 2008 3:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Poor Matt Belisle

Unfortunately, he suffers from Brandon Larson Quadruple-A syndrome.

The only cure is a trade or outright release. Goodbye. He’s been around too long to not have gotten it. Homer still has time. Belisle just pitches like a headcase.

by bobestes on Apr 22, 2008 12:17 AM EDT   0 recs

I went to the game.

The highlights:

- I psychically called both Votto’s walk and Edwin’s homer. Magic!
- Uh…Votto walked (and homered) and Edwin homered?
- Andruw Jones is incredibly fun to heckle because he constantly turns around to stare you down. It’s even better when the guy behind you was at the same bar as him last night and mocks him for his “tall, black, ugly girlfriend” (the drunken consensus was that she was at least 6-4 and certainly ugly) and his propensity to only drink vodka and Red Bull.
- I have never seen an entire section so handily turn on a group of little kids as much as my section turned on the absolutely obnoxious group of about 20 little girls wearing their little baseball outfits singing their incredibly annoying and cheery chants while the Reds were down 9-2. The wee lasses may have been the only ones being heckled more than Andruw, although they were considerably more oblivious to it than he was.
- Yeah, 9-3. Belisle still can’t pitch early or with men on base. I say bring on Tom Shearn!

by Geki on Apr 22, 2008 2:19 AM EDT   0 recs

Votto's homer

HitTrackerOnline puts Votto’s homer at 446’. According to them, EE’s homer was actually hit harder: 450’.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Apr 22, 2008 7:34 AM EDT   0 recs

Well

EdE’s homer did go into the bleachers. That’s a lot farther than it looks. I’m not too surprised. Votto’s was more bad ass though because it was to straight away center field.

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 22, 2008 7:48 AM EDT