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The Game When Edwin Did A Lot of Things

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First off, I didn't realize how long we let the game thread get. Sorry about that.

There are pretty clearly two sides when it comes to Edwin Encarnacion at this blog. Some of us think he's a below average hitter and a terrible fielder. Some of us feel it's too early to decide if he'll reach his potential and think it might be easier for him to field if he weren't afraid of getting booed every time he makes an error.

I'm in the pro-Edwin camp. I think if we get off his back for half a year he'll get the defensive kinks figured out and become at least an average fielder. He makes a lot of tough plays, he just has some trouble with the easy stuff sometimes. I think it's from a lack of confidence, though I could be wrong. But in our organization, he's one of the most important hitters we have. Talk of sending him down to Louisville at this point is ludicrous if for no other reason than we can't afford to sacrifice his bat.

I'll say once again, before you cast him aside after untimely errors, remember that this game would not have gone to extra innings were it not for Edwin, and we would have lost 1-0. Was he good in the field today? He made a few good plays, but on the whole, considering how important his error was, no, he was horrendous. It's not his first error, and it won't be his last. But if we (fans, coaches, announcers) could give him just a little room to develop and not jump all over him every time he makes a mistake, he might be able to grow into a sound third baseman. He's only 25... that's not old. He's still among the youngest third basemen in the league. So try it. Chill out a little bit. Breathe. Remember he's a kid, and he's going to make mistakes. The most important trait for a guy at the hot corner is confidence. Give him some.

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I would only add that

Edwin haters desperately need to suck my balls.

Don't listen to Stalin, kid, he's a punk...

by Man Mountain on Apr 20, 2008 4:48 PM EDT   1 recs

EdE

You’re right there seems to be no middle ground with him. I will say this, I now keep my bottle of nitro close when he is in the middle of things.

His defense will get better as he is still just a kid. I’d be willing to bet that his offense holds up well with most former Reds at a corresponding age and/or season. Be patient with him and I really think we will be more than happy in October with his season.

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 20, 2008 4:54 PM EDT   0 recs

you know who I compare him to

Tony Perez. Offensively, Edwin is pretty much in line with Perez, though EdE has played more games and could arguably be said to have had more success. Perez played 3B for 5 seasons starting with his age 25 year in 1967, making 123 errors in 760 games in that span. Edwin has been pretty much on that same pace over his career. What’s my point? Edwin probably needs to change positions. My guess is that he’s playing LF next season for the Reds.

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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 5:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

good points

in 1967, when Tony was 25, he hit 25 home runs with 102 RBI. His line was .290/ .328/ .490 with an OPS+ of 121. I think EdE will be right there with very comparable numbers at the end of the season.

I really think the Reds can survive his “D” a few more seasons and see how he develops. As far as him playing left I’m hoping the Reds don’t let Dunn get out of town (but I think they will)

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by Caleb on Apr 20, 2008 5:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well.....

25 homers in ‘67 are comparable to, what…..40+homers today? its a different game, played in bandbox ballparks…

by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 6:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

riverfront

was no pitcher’s park. 330 375 404 375 330

by buckeye22fox on Apr 20, 2008 7:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

comps

Similar Batters through Age 24

Compare Stats

1. Grady Hatton (962)
   2. Willie Jones (959)
   3. Bill Melton (956)
   4. Fernando Tatis (955)
   5. Jorge Cantu (952)
   6. Mark Teahen (952)
   7. Jim Thome (951)
   8. Jim Presley (947)
   9. Willie Kamm (945)
  10. Juan Encarnacion (940)

by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 6:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

WTF?!?

Through age 24…..

Grady Hatton (962)
Willie Jones (959)
Bill Melton (956)
Fernando Tatis (955)
Jorge Cantu (952)
Mark Teahen (952)
Jim Thome (951)
Jim Presley (947)
Willie Kamm (945)
Juan Encarnacion (940)

by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 6:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Truly Inspirational

You had me at 55) bro. :)

Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.

by jch24 on Apr 20, 2008 6:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well I compare Edwin to Bill Hall but Ede is slightly better already

He gets on base more but does not have a higher slugging % then Mr. Hall….If Edwin hits 17HRs this season like Bill Hall did when he was 25 I would be happy honestly. I think it is unfair to Tony Perez to compare Edwin to him.

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by Zach K on Apr 20, 2008 6:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bill Hall=EE

They also kill us at inopportune times.

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by redandblue on Apr 20, 2008 6:27 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Slyde you must have never seen Tony P play.

Perez’s focus and intensity was significantly beyond anything so far exhibited by EdE. In today’s game TP would hit 45hrs and 125 RBIs a year instead of 25/90. Edwin does not (yet ) show me a whole lot that parallels Tony Perez.

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by Madville on Apr 20, 2008 6:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I call bullshit

I’m comparing Perez to Edwin at the same age. It’s unfair to Edwin to expect him to match a career worth of Perez at age 25. And Tony Perez didn’t exactly play in a tough hitters park in 1967. Crosley was one of the best hitter’s park in his day. The era was tougher, but at age 25, Perez wouldn’t come near to 35 home runs, let alone 45.

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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmmm

he had 26. how many players had more than 26 in 1967? How many had more than 35 in ‘07? (i only ask b/c you have the utility belt…) 

the era was tougher, pre-expansion arms.  i have no idea how Crosley played to be honestly.

by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 8:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Truely it is hard to comapre eras...what with today's relief specialists...

Like Stanaton, Coffee et al. BUT…
Even Johnny (Pop-up) Bench could have hit 35 – 40 in GABP. A great many of his long fly balls that died in Riverfront would have been HRS in GABP. That said I can only hope and send good confident vibes to EdE that he develops into the hitter we need. The sooner the better.

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by Madville on Apr 20, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

To be clear

I’m not calling EdE a future Hall of Famer. The point of my comparison is that Perez didn’t look like a future hall of famer at age 25 either. And he was a terrible defensive third baseman as well. And Edwin’s rate stats look as good or better than Perez at the same age. Obviously they are different players, but if the Reds had given up on Perez like some are asking to give up on Edwin, then I think they really would have regretted it. That’s my point.

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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh and

Johnny Bench hit 45 HR in a split year in 1970 in Riverfront and 40 in 1972. Of course he’d be able to hit 35-40 at GABP.

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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 8:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

12 players had 26 HR in 1967

12th most in 2007 was Carlos Beltran at 33. Eight people had 35 HRs in 2007. It’s not the most accurate era comparison since parks are different and the talent pool is both deeper in parts (wider scope) and more shallow in parts (more players).

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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 8:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i whole-heartedly disagree with your talent pool synopsis

people always use the more teams and thin rosters excuse. Holy shit here are some ignored numbers:

179,323,175 population in 1970
301,139,947 population in 2007
600 players in 1970
750 players in 2007

This does not even calculate the immense popularity gain of baseball in Japan, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Panama, Venezuela, etc. Even with the 168% gain in population in the USA the total number of players to even the talent pool in 1970 numbers would be 1007.

Go walk uphill in a foot of snow to work oldtimers. The game is much deeper in talent today.

by buckeye22fox on Apr 20, 2008 8:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you missed my point

my wider scope parenthetical was meant to point toward your exact point. I would agree that the spread of the game has canceled out the expansion of the game, though the first few years after an expansion are always going to be thinner than previous year simply because there is a larger number of previously not qualified players in the league.

Personally, I think pitching is as deep as it ever has been, and not just because the Reds finally found some of it.

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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 8:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I should clarify

spread = wider population pool
expansion = more teams

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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 8:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

agree

i see waaaaaaay less kids playing baseball in the neighborhood that 1-2 generations ago. therefore, the pool of talent is way smaller. that said, it has been a boon for motocross and skateboarding and X games. Boo Yeah!

the international talent influx has been a godsend, imho.

by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah I guess my point is

that there have not been as many expansion teams as percentage gain in population. There should be 40 teams to equal to 1970 population numbers. I just get upset when I hear people like my father always speaking of how much better everything was back in the day and using blanket statements all the time. I would also disagree that the expansion teams and players not qualified to play is not accurate. If there was a new expansion team tomorrow the talent level wouldn’t be what it was in 2005, but it would damn sure be better than 1970.

If someone wants to argue that it was different then I would oblige on grounds of tighter wound ball and technology advancements (better cleats, gloves, batting gloves, catcher knee savers, harder wood grains for bats, training tools, etc). But when people say that talent is thinner today than 1970 they are damned fools.

by buckeye22fox on Apr 20, 2008 8:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

biased

Im biased b/c:

1)the ballplayers were older than me then, and i looked up to them as heroes.

2)Big Red Machine/Phillies/Pirates/Dodgers were all really, really good teams. We dont have that nowadays.

by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 8:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you're right

In fact, I’ve often wondered if some of the stars from back then would have even made it to the big leagues in today’s game.

It’s not just the increased population size. There’s also increased access. Internationally and domestically. Jackie Robinson may have crossed the baseball color line in the ‘40s, but there was still a lot of prejudice long after that. As recently as the ‘80s, there were serious articles about how blacks weren’t suited to be pitchers or catchers, because, you know, that’s for smart people.

In the NFL, Warren Moon became the first black quarterback in the ‘70s. Or at least the first successful one. The NFL traditionally converted blacks to other positions, but Moon resisted. He later said that he wasn’t really interested in civil rights or breaking barriers. He just knew that his arm was his best asset. He didn’t have the size, strength, or speed to succeed in any other position. Makes you wonder how many sports talents were lost to this kind of prejudice.

In baseball, “positional segregation” persists to this day. African-Americans are roughly 10% of baseball players, but almost 50% of outfielders. Still, there’s evidence that it’s because of self-selection – people choosing to follow in the footsteps of previous African-American greats, and not because there’s still any real belief that blacks can’t be pitchers, catchers, or infielders.

David Duchovny, why won't you love me?

by BubbaFan on Apr 20, 2008 9:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Warren Moon played in the CFL (and won Grey Cups) in the 70's..

..and didn’t play in the NFL until ‘83 or ‘84.

And I don’t know who the NFL’s first Black quarterback was but I know that Doug Williams played in the NFL before Moon. (Coincidently, Williams left the NFL to play in the USFL and came back to the NFL probably sometime around the time that Moon switched from the CFL.) Doug Williams was a good quarterback (and a likeable enough guy) with an interesting career.

I might look some of this stuff up and nail it down for ya. Or I might not… I’m checking out Brad Penny right now.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 20, 2008 9:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Try this

http://www.pro-football-reference.com

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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 9:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dude, I can't look at that right now.

No time. My boss is all over me for the Dodgers preview. He’s being a real dick about it.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 20, 2008 9:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You're right

Moon didn’t move to the NFL until the ‘80s.

According to Wikipedia:

Despite his collegiate success, Warren Moon went undrafted in the National Football League. Many pundits believe that it was because Moon was black and refused to switch positions – Moon has stated in interviews that before the draft some scouts advised him to switch to tight end. With no takers in the NFL, his only alternative was the Canadian Football League.

David Duchovny, why won't you love me?

by BubbaFan on Apr 20, 2008 10:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

so totally rec'd

Abraham Lincoln said that if you're a racist, I will invade you with the north.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 20, 2008 10:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think I'm in the middle ground

I certainly don’t hate him. But I don’t think his defense will improve. In fact, I think the opposite is more likely. I think he’s past the point where you can expect his glove to get better (unless he came up in the Yankees system, where they don’t seem to bother teaching players to do anything except hit.) According to my favorite defensive stat, BP’s Rate/Rate 2, his defense at 3B has declined each year, and I don’t expect that to change.

But I think it’s likely he will improve at the plate, and he’s pretty good there already. And it’s not like there’s an A-Rod behind him who’s being blocked. EE’s an exciting young player. Appreciate him for what he is, and don’t keep waiting for him to turn into something else.

David Duchovny, why won't you love me?

by BubbaFan on Apr 20, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't hate EdE - I get frustrated...

But he’s got to get his fielding together.Obviously. He has, however, demonstrated that he can play decent ML defense for extended periods. For the Reds to cempete he has to be consistent.

However it will be interesting (to say the least) to watch sMarty sucking Man Mountain’s testes. And maybe Dustbag can have sloppy seconds,

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by Madville on Apr 20, 2008 4:56 PM EDT   0 recs

Edwin is really young and makes many good plays often

Every couple of games, there is a diving catch by edwin that prevents runs. Unfortunately, there are also days like today when Edwin does not have a good game. He is tied for the lead in HRs even though he has a low avg. I think Mark Berry should do for edwin what was done for Hatteberg in Oakland. Every time Edwin makes a play Berry lavishes praise on him as should the fans.

by johnny cueto thinks we're sellouts on Apr 20, 2008 5:05 PM EDT   0 recs

i will chill out when it comes to EE

but if he boots a routine double play late in the game or in extra innings … i will not hold myself responsible for the crude things that fly out of my mouth.

by joshuar9476 on Apr 20, 2008 5:09 PM EDT   0 recs

frustration I can understand

i don’t understand the calls for shipping him out. If he was a terrible player, that’d be one thing, but he’s shown that he can be valuable with the bat. That’s why I don’t get the desire to run him out of town.

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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 5:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

agree

no need to run him out of town. but he’s no Tony Perez, bro.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/perezto01.shtml

by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 6:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Tony Perez was no Tony Perez at age 25.

His comps thru age 24:
986 Eric Karros
969 Mo Vaughn
968 Babe Dahlgren
967 Steve Bilko
965 Bill White
963 Conor Jackson
963 Tino Martinez
963 Reggie Jefferson
962 George Vico
960 Casey Kotchman

Point being, BR comps don’t mean shit at this point in the person’s career mainly because at age 24 players have all played very different amount of time. And comps are based solely on counting stats.

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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 6:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well......

Tony’s Age 25 season was the first of 9 consecutive 120+ OPS+ seasons. It was also the first season he accumulated more than 300 AB’s.

by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And you are assuming that Edwin can't do that?

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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 7:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

im not assuming he CANT....

but i’d wager a years supply of Texas Pete on it…

by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 8:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would too

it would be a rare career for him to do so. My point is that Perez hadn’t exactly shown that he was on that path at the same age either. Why give up on a player at the same age?

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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 8:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

the thing I notice

with him on defense is that on the plays where it is purely reaction he is fine. It is the routine plays, or the ones he has to think about, where he struggles.

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by Caleb on Apr 20, 2008 5:22 PM EDT   0 recs

i just cooled down and read over the post again

and it’s kind of patronizing. I’d like to hedge a bit.

I absolutely understand why a lot of people get frustrated with Edwin. The timeliness (and quantity) of some of his defensive gaffes is excruciating. I don’t disagree that up to this point he’s been a bad fielder.

But

I kinda wish we’d remember sometimes that we’re Reds fans. We should all have the best interests of the team at heart. Edwin is not exactly A-Rod at the plate, but he’s a lot better than some third basemen (I’m looking at you, Pedro Feliz). If he’s in the lineup every day, make no mistake, he’ll hit 25 homers and OPS+ 110 or 120. His problems are in the field, usually with fundamental plays—fielding a grounder cleanly, making a non-rushed throw to first, etc. I’m not a scout, but to me that signals that the cause is a lack of confidence. It could be a lack of concentration, but he strikes me as a guy who’s totally locked in, and maybe too much so.

So the point is, maybe if we get off his back he’ll get better in the field. If not, then I’m wrong, and there’s not a lot lost. Move him to left, whatever. But he’s one of our best hitters, and he’s shown the ability to one day be a very good infielder, so I think we should give him that chance.

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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 5:24 PM EDT   0 recs

also

something that hasnt been mentioned… Burton was bad. If he hadnt allowed two guys to get on, the double play is a moot point. Then the extra wild pitch meant edwin’s second homer only brought us to within one rather than tying. JB didn’t exactly do us a lot of favors.

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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 5:28 PM EDT   0 recs

burton wasn't bad

a lot of those pitches were just off the plate but the hitters weren’t biting. doesn’t mean he was bad, just means he was not too lucky.

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by Daedalus on Apr 20, 2008 5:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i would say

two hits, two runs, a walk and a wild pitch in an inning is bad.

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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 5:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

It certainly wasn’t all on EE.

I haven’t been really impressed with Burton, to tell you the truth. I think he’s still a little raw. I was expecting him to be sent down and Bray called up.

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by BubbaFan on Apr 20, 2008 8:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

zach

what do i have to do to get burnett from you? And madville, what do i have to do to get halladay from you? and justin, what do i have to do to get mcgowan from you? i’ve still got a lot left.

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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 5:43 PM EDT   0 recs

i dont have that

how about grady sizemore?

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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 6:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

pronk?

im not sure what you hate about the guy rated No. 16 in the league, but ok. What about hafner?

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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 6:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No I want scrappy players only

It would cost 2 scrappy players for AJ

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by Zach K on Apr 20, 2008 6:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

melvin more and jacque jones

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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

don't you have Scurtuno? {sp?}

Melvin More will work just need one more

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by Zach K on Apr 20, 2008 6:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Scutaro?

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by crolfer on Apr 20, 2008 7:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

ooh

the dilemma is that scutaro is a blue jay

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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 7:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well make up your mind

Great Pitcher or the ALs Ryan Freel?

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by Zach K on Apr 20, 2008 7:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

trade proposed

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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 7:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ok good deal

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by Zach K on Apr 20, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Edwin

will always be a below average major league 3B. His usefulness is definitely in his bat, and he can be a good right handed hitter. But if he’s hitting .260 and about 20 HR in a full season then I’d say he’s not worth it.

by cokane on Apr 20, 2008 5:48 PM EDT   0 recs

not worth what?

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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 5:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If he's not worth... "IT"... who is?

who else is gonna hit around 20 HR at third for the Reds?

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by crolfer on Apr 20, 2008 5:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

keppinger has to play

and third is his best option, and gonzo hit 16 hrs and batted .271 last year, and has a much better glove. So i say when he comes back he starts.

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by shortstopv2 on Apr 20, 2008 7:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you keep acting like Gonzalez's career year will be his norm

that is your biggest mistake in this argument.

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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Gonzo's glove isn't that great...

how soon we forget that he too had 16 errors last season, the same number as Edwin, albeit in ~50 fewer attempts.

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by BobbyO on Apr 20, 2008 8:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

what i'm saying is

if those were to be his stats, he isn’t bringing much to the team over what an average 3b would do. Certainly the reds don’t have an answer currently (i think Kepp and Gonz would be a bad idea) and they should certainly let him play the whole year… but if he puts up those numbers they should look into replacing him.

by cokane on Apr 20, 2008 10:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm pro-Encarnacion...

Although I can definitely see why people get mad at his errors… But seriously… Who would you rather have playing third for Cincy right now? Castro? Freel? I think I’ll take Encarnacion and the pop that his bat brings.

He’s gotten better as far as fielding too… Hard to believe I know, but he’s made some strides… and hey, he makes things interesting doesn’t he?

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by crolfer on Apr 20, 2008 5:49 PM EDT   0 recs