The Game When Edwin Did A Lot of Things
by Rick House on Apr 20, 2008 4:39 PM EDT
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First off, I didn't realize how long we let the game thread get. Sorry about that.
There are pretty clearly two sides when it comes to Edwin Encarnacion at this blog. Some of us think he's a below average hitter and a terrible fielder. Some of us feel it's too early to decide if he'll reach his potential and think it might be easier for him to field if he weren't afraid of getting booed every time he makes an error.
I'm in the pro-Edwin camp. I think if we get off his back for half a year he'll get the defensive kinks figured out and become at least an average fielder. He makes a lot of tough plays, he just has some trouble with the easy stuff sometimes. I think it's from a lack of confidence, though I could be wrong. But in our organization, he's one of the most important hitters we have. Talk of sending him down to Louisville at this point is ludicrous if for no other reason than we can't afford to sacrifice his bat.
I'll say once again, before you cast him aside after untimely errors, remember that this game would not have gone to extra innings were it not for Edwin, and we would have lost 1-0. Was he good in the field today? He made a few good plays, but on the whole, considering how important his error was, no, he was horrendous. It's not his first error, and it won't be his last. But if we (fans, coaches, announcers) could give him just a little room to develop and not jump all over him every time he makes a mistake, he might be able to grow into a sound third baseman. He's only 25... that's not old. He's still among the youngest third basemen in the league. So try it. Chill out a little bit. Breathe. Remember he's a kid, and he's going to make mistakes. The most important trait for a guy at the hot corner is confidence. Give him some.
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I would only add that
Edwin haters desperately need to suck my balls.
Don't listen to Stalin, kid, he's a punk...
by Man Mountain on Apr 20, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
are you a cubs fan?
by Daedalus on Apr 20, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
clearly
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by Man Mountain on Apr 20, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like a Cartman fan to me
Reds fan for 40 years!
by gejoe on Apr 20, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EdE
You’re right there seems to be no middle ground with him. I will say this, I now keep my bottle of nitro close when he is in the middle of things.
His defense will get better as he is still just a kid. I’d be willing to bet that his offense holds up well with most former Reds at a corresponding age and/or season. Be patient with him and I really think we will be more than happy in October with his season.
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by Caleb on Apr 20, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you know who I compare him to
Tony Perez. Offensively, Edwin is pretty much in line with Perez, though EdE has played more games and could arguably be said to have had more success. Perez played 3B for 5 seasons starting with his age 25 year in 1967, making 123 errors in 760 games in that span. Edwin has been pretty much on that same pace over his career. What’s my point? Edwin probably needs to change positions. My guess is that he’s playing LF next season for the Reds.
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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good points
in 1967, when Tony was 25, he hit 25 home runs with 102 RBI. His line was .290/ .328/ .490 with an OPS+ of 121. I think EdE will be right there with very comparable numbers at the end of the season.
I really think the Reds can survive his “D” a few more seasons and see how he develops. As far as him playing left I’m hoping the Reds don’t let Dunn get out of town (but I think they will)
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by Caleb on Apr 20, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well.....
25 homers in ‘67 are comparable to, what…..40+homers today? its a different game, played in bandbox ballparks…
by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
riverfront
was no pitcher’s park. 330 375 404 375 330
by buckeye22fox on Apr 20, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
comps
Similar Batters through Age 24
Compare Stats
1. Grady Hatton (962)
2. Willie Jones (959)
3. Bill Melton (956)
4. Fernando Tatis (955)
5. Jorge Cantu (952)
6. Mark Teahen (952)
7. Jim Thome (951)
8. Jim Presley (947)
9. Willie Kamm (945)
10. Juan Encarnacion (940)by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truly Inspirational
You had me at 55) bro. :)
Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.
by jch24 on Apr 20, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I compare Edwin to Bill Hall but Ede is slightly better already
He gets on base more but does not have a higher slugging % then Mr. Hall….If Edwin hits 17HRs this season like Bill Hall did when he was 25 I would be happy honestly. I think it is unfair to Tony Perez to compare Edwin to him.
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by Zach K on Apr 20, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Hall=EE
They also kill us at inopportune times.
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by redandblue on Apr 20, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slyde you must have never seen Tony P play.
Perez’s focus and intensity was significantly beyond anything so far exhibited by EdE. In today’s game TP would hit 45hrs and 125 RBIs a year instead of 25/90. Edwin does not (yet ) show me a whole lot that parallels Tony Perez.
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by Madville on Apr 20, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I call bullshit
I’m comparing Perez to Edwin at the same age. It’s unfair to Edwin to expect him to match a career worth of Perez at age 25. And Tony Perez didn’t exactly play in a tough hitters park in 1967. Crosley was one of the best hitter’s park in his day. The era was tougher, but at age 25, Perez wouldn’t come near to 35 home runs, let alone 45.
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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmmm
he had 26. how many players had more than 26 in 1967? How many had more than 35 in ‘07? (i only ask b/c you have the utility belt…)
the era was tougher, pre-expansion arms. i have no idea how Crosley played to be honestly.by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truely it is hard to comapre eras...what with today's relief specialists...
Like Stanaton, Coffee et al. BUT…
Even Johnny (Pop-up) Bench could have hit 35 – 40 in GABP. A great many of his long fly balls that died in Riverfront would have been HRS in GABP. That said I can only hope and send good confident vibes to EdE that he develops into the hitter we need. The sooner the better.
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by Madville on Apr 20, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be clear
I’m not calling EdE a future Hall of Famer. The point of my comparison is that Perez didn’t look like a future hall of famer at age 25 either. And he was a terrible defensive third baseman as well. And Edwin’s rate stats look as good or better than Perez at the same age. Obviously they are different players, but if the Reds had given up on Perez like some are asking to give up on Edwin, then I think they really would have regretted it. That’s my point.
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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
12 players had 26 HR in 1967
12th most in 2007 was Carlos Beltran at 33. Eight people had 35 HRs in 2007. It’s not the most accurate era comparison since parks are different and the talent pool is both deeper in parts (wider scope) and more shallow in parts (more players).
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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i whole-heartedly disagree with your talent pool synopsis
people always use the more teams and thin rosters excuse. Holy shit here are some ignored numbers:
179,323,175 population in 1970
301,139,947 population in 2007
600 players in 1970
750 players in 2007
This does not even calculate the immense popularity gain of baseball in Japan, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Panama, Venezuela, etc. Even with the 168% gain in population in the USA the total number of players to even the talent pool in 1970 numbers would be 1007.
Go walk uphill in a foot of snow to work oldtimers. The game is much deeper in talent today.
by buckeye22fox on Apr 20, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you missed my point
my wider scope parenthetical was meant to point toward your exact point. I would agree that the spread of the game has canceled out the expansion of the game, though the first few years after an expansion are always going to be thinner than previous year simply because there is a larger number of previously not qualified players in the league.
Personally, I think pitching is as deep as it ever has been, and not just because the Reds finally found some of it.
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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should clarify
spread = wider population pool
expansion = more teams
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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
i see waaaaaaay less kids playing baseball in the neighborhood that 1-2 generations ago. therefore, the pool of talent is way smaller. that said, it has been a boon for motocross and skateboarding and X games. Boo Yeah!
the international talent influx has been a godsend, imho.
by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I guess my point is
that there have not been as many expansion teams as percentage gain in population. There should be 40 teams to equal to 1970 population numbers. I just get upset when I hear people like my father always speaking of how much better everything was back in the day and using blanket statements all the time. I would also disagree that the expansion teams and players not qualified to play is not accurate. If there was a new expansion team tomorrow the talent level wouldn’t be what it was in 2005, but it would damn sure be better than 1970.
If someone wants to argue that it was different then I would oblige on grounds of tighter wound ball and technology advancements (better cleats, gloves, batting gloves, catcher knee savers, harder wood grains for bats, training tools, etc). But when people say that talent is thinner today than 1970 they are damned fools.
by buckeye22fox on Apr 20, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right
In fact, I’ve often wondered if some of the stars from back then would have even made it to the big leagues in today’s game.
It’s not just the increased population size. There’s also increased access. Internationally and domestically. Jackie Robinson may have crossed the baseball color line in the ‘40s, but there was still a lot of prejudice long after that. As recently as the ‘80s, there were serious articles about how blacks weren’t suited to be pitchers or catchers, because, you know, that’s for smart people.
In the NFL, Warren Moon became the first black quarterback in the ‘70s. Or at least the first successful one. The NFL traditionally converted blacks to other positions, but Moon resisted. He later said that he wasn’t really interested in civil rights or breaking barriers. He just knew that his arm was his best asset. He didn’t have the size, strength, or speed to succeed in any other position. Makes you wonder how many sports talents were lost to this kind of prejudice.
In baseball, “positional segregation” persists to this day. African-Americans are roughly 10% of baseball players, but almost 50% of outfielders. Still, there’s evidence that it’s because of self-selection – people choosing to follow in the footsteps of previous African-American greats, and not because there’s still any real belief that blacks can’t be pitchers, catchers, or infielders.
by BubbaFan on Apr 20, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Warren Moon played in the CFL (and won Grey Cups) in the 70's..
..and didn’t play in the NFL until ‘83 or ‘84.
And I don’t know who the NFL’s first Black quarterback was but I know that Doug Williams played in the NFL before Moon. (Coincidently, Williams left the NFL to play in the USFL and came back to the NFL probably sometime around the time that Moon switched from the CFL.) Doug Williams was a good quarterback (and a likeable enough guy) with an interesting career.
I might look some of this stuff up and nail it down for ya. Or I might not… I’m checking out Brad Penny right now.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 20, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try this
http://www.pro-football-reference.com
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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I can't look at that right now.
No time. My boss is all over me for the Dodgers preview. He’s being a real dick about it.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 20, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
Moon didn’t move to the NFL until the ‘80s.
According to Wikipedia:
Despite his collegiate success, Warren Moon went undrafted in the National Football League. Many pundits believe that it was because Moon was black and refused to switch positions – Moon has stated in interviews that before the draft some scouts advised him to switch to tight end. With no takers in the NFL, his only alternative was the Canadian Football League.
by BubbaFan on Apr 20, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
draft dodging in canada
typical
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by Man Mountain on Apr 20, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
so totally rec'd
Abraham Lincoln said that if you're a racist, I will invade you with the north.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 20, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'm in the middle ground
I certainly don’t hate him. But I don’t think his defense will improve. In fact, I think the opposite is more likely. I think he’s past the point where you can expect his glove to get better (unless he came up in the Yankees system, where they don’t seem to bother teaching players to do anything except hit.) According to my favorite defensive stat, BP’s Rate/Rate 2, his defense at 3B has declined each year, and I don’t expect that to change.
But I think it’s likely he will improve at the plate, and he’s pretty good there already. And it’s not like there’s an A-Rod behind him who’s being blocked. EE’s an exciting young player. Appreciate him for what he is, and don’t keep waiting for him to turn into something else.
by BubbaFan on Apr 20, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't hate EdE - I get frustrated...
But he’s got to get his fielding together.Obviously. He has, however, demonstrated that he can play decent ML defense for extended periods. For the Reds to cempete he has to be consistent.
However it will be interesting (to say the least) to watch sMarty sucking Man Mountain’s testes. And maybe Dustbag can have sloppy seconds,
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by Madville on Apr 20, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Edwin is really young and makes many good plays often
Every couple of games, there is a diving catch by edwin that prevents runs. Unfortunately, there are also days like today when Edwin does not have a good game. He is tied for the lead in HRs even though he has a low avg. I think Mark Berry should do for edwin what was done for Hatteberg in Oakland. Every time Edwin makes a play Berry lavishes praise on him as should the fans.
by johnny cueto thinks we're sellouts on Apr 20, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i will chill out when it comes to EE
but if he boots a routine double play late in the game or in extra innings … i will not hold myself responsible for the crude things that fly out of my mouth.
by joshuar9476 on Apr 20, 2008 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
frustration I can understand
i don’t understand the calls for shipping him out. If he was a terrible player, that’d be one thing, but he’s shown that he can be valuable with the bat. That’s why I don’t get the desire to run him out of town.
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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
no need to run him out of town. but he’s no Tony Perez, bro.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/perezto01.shtml
by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Perez was no Tony Perez at age 25.
His comps thru age 24:
986 Eric Karros
969 Mo Vaughn
968 Babe Dahlgren
967 Steve Bilko
965 Bill White
963 Conor Jackson
963 Tino Martinez
963 Reggie Jefferson
962 George Vico
960 Casey Kotchman
Point being, BR comps don’t mean shit at this point in the person’s career mainly because at age 24 players have all played very different amount of time. And comps are based solely on counting stats.
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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well......
Tony’s Age 25 season was the first of 9 consecutive 120+ OPS+ seasons. It was also the first season he accumulated more than 300 AB’s.
by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you are assuming that Edwin can't do that?
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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im not assuming he CANT....
but i’d wager a years supply of Texas Pete on it…
by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would too
it would be a rare career for him to do so. My point is that Perez hadn’t exactly shown that he was on that path at the same age either. Why give up on a player at the same age?
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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the thing I notice
with him on defense is that on the plays where it is purely reaction he is fine. It is the routine plays, or the ones he has to think about, where he struggles.
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by Caleb on Apr 20, 2008 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i just cooled down and read over the post again
and it’s kind of patronizing. I’d like to hedge a bit.
I absolutely understand why a lot of people get frustrated with Edwin. The timeliness (and quantity) of some of his defensive gaffes is excruciating. I don’t disagree that up to this point he’s been a bad fielder.
But
I kinda wish we’d remember sometimes that we’re Reds fans. We should all have the best interests of the team at heart. Edwin is not exactly A-Rod at the plate, but he’s a lot better than some third basemen (I’m looking at you, Pedro Feliz). If he’s in the lineup every day, make no mistake, he’ll hit 25 homers and OPS+ 110 or 120. His problems are in the field, usually with fundamental plays—fielding a grounder cleanly, making a non-rushed throw to first, etc. I’m not a scout, but to me that signals that the cause is a lack of confidence. It could be a lack of concentration, but he strikes me as a guy who’s totally locked in, and maybe too much so.
So the point is, maybe if we get off his back he’ll get better in the field. If not, then I’m wrong, and there’s not a lot lost. Move him to left, whatever. But he’s one of our best hitters, and he’s shown the ability to one day be a very good infielder, so I think we should give him that chance.
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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
also
something that hasnt been mentioned… Burton was bad. If he hadnt allowed two guys to get on, the double play is a moot point. Then the extra wild pitch meant edwin’s second homer only brought us to within one rather than tying. JB didn’t exactly do us a lot of favors.
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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
burton wasn't bad
a lot of those pitches were just off the plate but the hitters weren’t biting. doesn’t mean he was bad, just means he was not too lucky.
by Daedalus on Apr 20, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would say
two hits, two runs, a walk and a wild pitch in an inning is bad.
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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
zach
what do i have to do to get burnett from you? And madville, what do i have to do to get halladay from you? and justin, what do i have to do to get mcgowan from you? i’ve still got a lot left.
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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
boobs find me a a SS with a hot bat and some punch, throw in a couple of Dallas Cowboy cheeleaders and we'll talk.
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by Madville on Apr 20, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont have that
how about grady sizemore?
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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Burrnett and hate Grady Sizemore...
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by Zach K on Apr 20, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pronk?
im not sure what you hate about the guy rated No. 16 in the league, but ok. What about hafner?
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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I want scrappy players only
It would cost 2 scrappy players for AJ
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by Zach K on Apr 20, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
melvin more and jacque jones
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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't you have Scurtuno? {sp?}
Melvin More will work just need one more
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by Zach K on Apr 20, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ooh
the dilemma is that scutaro is a blue jay
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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well make up your mind
Great Pitcher or the ALs Ryan Freel?
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by Zach K on Apr 20, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade proposed
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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok good deal
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by Zach K on Apr 20, 2008 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edwin
will always be a below average major league 3B. His usefulness is definitely in his bat, and he can be a good right handed hitter. But if he’s hitting .260 and about 20 HR in a full season then I’d say he’s not worth it.
by cokane on Apr 20, 2008 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not worth what?
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by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's not worth... "IT"... who is?
who else is gonna hit around 20 HR at third for the Reds?
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by crolfer on Apr 20, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
keppinger has to play
and third is his best option, and gonzo hit 16 hrs and batted .271 last year, and has a much better glove. So i say when he comes back he starts.
by shortstopv2 on Apr 20, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you keep acting like Gonzalez's career year will be his norm
that is your biggest mistake in this argument.
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by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonzo's glove isn't that great...
how soon we forget that he too had 16 errors last season, the same number as Edwin, albeit in ~50 fewer attempts.
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by BobbyO on Apr 20, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what i'm saying is
if those were to be his stats, he isn’t bringing much to the team over what an average 3b would do. Certainly the reds don’t have an answer currently (i think Kepp and Gonz would be a bad idea) and they should certainly let him play the whole year… but if he puts up those numbers they should look into replacing him.
by cokane on Apr 20, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pro-Encarnacion...
Although I can definitely see why people get mad at his errors… But seriously… Who would you rather have playing third for Cincy right now? Castro? Freel? I think I’ll take Encarnacion and the pop that his bat brings.
He’s gotten better as far as fielding too… Hard to believe I know, but he’s made some strides… and hey, he makes things interesting doesn’t he?
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by crolfer on Apr 20, 2008 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
edwin's defense
is spectacular at times. some of the stops he makes are incredible. edwin made several really great plays today that went unheralded, and his error was only noticed because the game was on the line.
if the vitriolic cincy sports media and its bananaphone followers would stop spitting out the same garbage just because they need someone to blame, we might not focus so much on EE’s errors. stop it. reds fans are acting like cubs fans when it comes to EE. last time i checked, edwin’s OBP was second only to dunn on the team. he has more homers than everyone but patterson. the slumping offense has been blamed on him because he left the bases loaded twice in that pirates series even though there were others who left more men on base than he did.
he’s a kid. he’s a sensitive kid, from public accounts and from the few interviews he gives. did you see his face as he rounded the bases after his tenth inning home run today? he was devastated. the poor kid deserves our support, because his potential is through the roof.
he makes errors. how much does he make up for it with the great plays he makes? no way you can produce a stat for that.
by Daedalus on Apr 20, 2008 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
vitirioloc banaphone fans also own and manage the Reds.
This is going to be a break out year fro Edwin – here or some where – hopefiully here.
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by Madville on Apr 20, 2008 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dusty quotes after the game:
“If we’re gonna win this thing it’s gonna be because of him (Edwin).”
and..
“He bleeds internally.”
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 20, 2008 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your head is in the RR clouds
where nothing is not worth a complaint or ten.
bob castellini wants to win. if that isn’t obvious to someone in the reds kingdom, he is focusing too much on complaining and not enough on reality. sure, we have ole’ wayno at the helm, and though he’s steered us into many storms, he’s also steered us through a lot of them with skill and a but o’luck. some GMs are brilliant. some suck royally. others are so-so. krivsky seems to be a guy who’s not good or bad, just someone who’s there. every time he makes a horrendous move, he counters it with something that works (like Burton, Kepp, BP, etc). one of the best moves he’s made is a non-move – riding out Edwin, a kid with a propensity to hit with runners in scoring position, the oh-so-maligned “clutch.”
an environment of negativity and bitchiness is a detriment to a team, esp. one with a lot of young guys like the reds.
by Daedalus on Apr 20, 2008 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a kid with a propensity to hit with runners in scoring position
and by that i meant among other skills…
by Daedalus on Apr 20, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EE
When Gonzales comes back EE should move into a platoon with Votto at first with Kepp playing 3rd. It solves a few problems for the time being – 2009 might become a bit complicated. Maybe left field for either EE or Votto.
by EJ on Apr 20, 2008 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...a platoon with Votto?
two guys with hot bats, and you want them to split time? Also, is it really that easy to look at a guy and go “here’s a first baseman’s glove, go get ‘em”? I imagine moving across the infield would take a little getting used to.
"Screw it. We've got bigger problems than a butter shortage."
by Ash on Apr 20, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm alive
I figured I should stop by and see if Edwin was being crucified, and toss in my pro-Edwin two cents.
"Screw it. We've got bigger problems than a butter shortage."
by Ash on Apr 20, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i got yer back homie
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah
by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, man
everybody’s just gotta have faith
"Screw it. We've got bigger problems than a butter shortage."
by Ash on Apr 20, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either that or platoon Edwin at first with Votto.
And Hattteberg.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 20, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can Bruce play first, too?
a four-man platoon at first would be even better than having three catchers!
"Screw it. We've got bigger problems than a butter shortage."
by Ash on Apr 20, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget LLM
Radiohead killed the Video Star
by Madville on Apr 20, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm "in town"
you wanna go to a game soon? i owe you beer or something?
by Daedalus on Apr 20, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, my next season ticket package game isn't until
May 18th, so we can wait until then, or go before. Whenever, just let me know when you want to go.
"Screw it. We've got bigger problems than a butter shortage."
by Ash on Apr 20, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know
we cant sit keppinger, and gonzo is going to play when he comes back (he hit 16 hrs and .271 batting average last year) and has a much more solid glove than edwin. And i played both 3rd and 1st in high school, and its really not that hard of a switch. 1st base you dont get as many hard shots and you have a bigger glove, also you have alot more time on most plays (allowing you to play farther back) and there usually is almost no throwing involved. So i could see edwin as a eventually 1st baseman
by shortstopv2 on Apr 20, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
High school and the pros
are way two different things. Third base is way harder to play and is more demanding of an athletic fielder. I agree that first is the easiest position to play but foot placement and positioning are very important to learn before being thrown out there.
And Gonzalez hitting .271 is not that big of a deal. The only way Keppinger and Gonzalez will play everyday is via trade and God help us if that happens. I can see those guys getting 3 starts a week in a platoon situation with a start a week coming from breathers of Phillips and Encarnacion.
by buckeye22fox on Apr 20, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is short sighted in my opinion
Swapping a 25 year old career .272/.349/.447 hitter entering his prime with a 32 year old career .248/.295/.399 hitter coming back from a serious injury. Defense at 3b is important, but it’s important enough to spite the offense like that.
I’m also not sure why Votto, another young talent, has to be in a platoon at 1b. Let him hit lefties.
Don't listen to Stalin, kid, he's a punk...
by Man Mountain on Apr 20, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey my name is shortstop
of course its short sighted
by shortstopv2 on Apr 21, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right left field... good idea...
Not like we have a crowded outfield or anything.
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Apr 20, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that should read: "right... left field, etc."
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Apr 20, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might I Add
that living and working in a foreign country is not easy. He is 25, and besides all of the pressure of being a rising star in the Bigs, he is outside of his home, in Cincinnati of all places.
I think the nucleus of young Dominicans (as well as the wily ol’ Cordero) will be real good for him. Hopefully they can be supportive of each other through the ups and downs, and carry this team for years to come.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Apr 20, 2008 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
u r smart
and everytime i see your name, i think of charlie and the chocolate factor. veruka salt. gene wilder’s version was much better than depp’s – very trippy. johnny depp is one of my favorite actors, but nothing can top gene wilder’s performance.
on an unrelated note. frank thomas for pinch hitter.
by Daedalus on Apr 20, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds racist
Radiohead killed the Video Star
by Madville on Apr 20, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup,
I hate Cincinnatians.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Apr 21, 2008 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pro reds
I think Edwin is a below average 3B but I don’t want to replace the guy but I don’t think he is “untouchable”. I heard a rumor last year that the Angels wanted Edwin and would of given he Reds Santana…if that was true then I think Wayner is a moron because the Reds need pitching. I know the bats have not produced but wait till Dunn and BP get it going.
Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!
by Zach K on Apr 20, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The 2008 Reds don't "need pitching."
(At least not any more than any other team needs/wants it.)
The 2008 Reds need right-handed power.
More of it. Not less.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 20, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I might be one of the few who doesn’t think it makes a big difference if you have power from the right side of the plate or the left side. Dunn is the best offensive player on this team and he will get 30-40HRs, Griffey will get 25-30 and BP perhaps 20HRs {17 of those in GABP most likely}. When the Reds who many people on this site thing are a contending team, still have guys like Josh Fogg and Matt Beslie[sp?} going out on the mound…I think we “need” pitching.
Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!
by Zach K on Apr 21, 2008 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Matt Belise is your fifth starter
you are way ahead of 2/3rds of the league.
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 21, 2008 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish the internet weren't so permanent
:)
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 21, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ervin Santana?
You mean the guy with the career 4.72 ERA, uninspiring K and BB rates, severe long-ball issues, and a career 6.92 ERA (!!) away from his spacious home park? Who was sent back to AAA last year because he was posting an ERA just south of 6? Wayne’s a moron for not trading a 25 year old starting position player with an above-average bat in his first year of arbitration for that guy?
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
by BLee2525 on Apr 20, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was decent for parts of last year...
I’m kinda glad we didn’t make that deal now…
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Apr 20, 2008 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true
I’ll obviously did not look at the numbers last year and I didn’t correct myself yesterday. Thank you BLee for correcting me.
Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!
by Zach K on Apr 21, 2008 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right handed options and stuff
I think the best case scenario would be a Freel/Gonzalez trade package for a reliever, even at salary eating cost. Use the extra roster space to sign one of the following:
Mike Piazza
Frank Thomas
Reggie Sanders
Sammy Sosa
Preston Wilson
Not exactly the spring chicken list but I like the idea of Reggie Sanders coming back for a pinch hitter role.
by buckeye22fox on Apr 20, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Which of those is the best option?
Piazza and Thomas are the only non-outfielders… I think bringing in an outfielder would just block our young talent… Unfortunately, neither of those guys are really suited to play anything but DH. Preston Wilson is probably the best pure player as of now… And if we sign Sosa… I will go to a game to throw stuff at him…
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Apr 20, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I’d think Sosa would be a viable option.
Thomas cant play the field and is surly. Piazza is too big time for Cincy. Sanders is fragile know and Wilson, i bet, has an OPS+ under 100.
The way to get a RH bat is through a trade.
by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh... But... It's... well... Sosa...
I just don’t like the guy… therefore Cincinnati should not sign him no matter how much he might help them… The world revolves around me. Therefore no Sosa.
:D
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Apr 20, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Preston Wilson has a fork sticking out of him
Don't listen to Stalin, kid, he's a punk...
by Man Mountain on Apr 20, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
maybe that’s why he sucks? It’s probably hard to swing with that there.
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It might not be a fork. It might be a surgical intstrument.
Left there when he had his two knee transplants.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 20, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
so I’m supposed to feel sorry for him now?
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call doctor Kremchek
It may be the injury stick, not a fork.
At least it wasn't Grady Little.
by Paul Householder on Apr 20, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The image of Kremchek
poking a player with a stick-hesitatingly, uncertainly-never fails to make me happy.
Don't listen to Stalin, kid, he's a punk...
by Man Mountain on Apr 20, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about none
I think we are still to early to be in panic mode for the offense. Really I am surprised the Reds are 8-11 with how bad of a start some of their best players are off to….I wish BP could take a walk once in awhile…ugh
Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!
by Zach K on Apr 21, 2008 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to say Zach
this comment is the exact opposite of what you would have said last season at this time. Your body wasn’t “snatched” was it? Or did you just learn that there are better bears than Natural Light out there?
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 21, 2008 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn typos
and smart-alec responders.
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 21, 2008 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i assumed you did it on purpose
and were just trying to make fun of zach
i thought it was mean
In the end, life and business are about human connections. And computers are about trying to murder you in a lake. And to me the choice is easy.
by chandrathan on Apr 21, 2008 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
Edwin is 9th in batting (NL), and second from last (15) in fielding for 3b, and I think he has bottomed out after today.
However, you need to decide if you want defense at the hot corner, or a hitter. Both is a nice….but being a Reds fan, we are used to not getting what we want.
I would like to see him in a new position. Of course that is a whole other problem…where?
Personally, i really like that kid the Dodgers are getting ready to send back to Triple A since Nomar is coming back, Blake Dewitt. Nice hitter, ranking second defensively in the NL. Wish we could get him, going to be very good.
IMO of course.
by MindYourOwnBusiness on Apr 20, 2008 8:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They are trying to
run Ethier out of town for Pierre. Hopefully Bill Plaschke can keep writing scrappy play the right way swunting articles on Pierre and allow Wayne to trade more swunty scrappy guys for a guy like Ethier. His addition would surely ease the departures of Griffey and Dunn next year.
by buckeye22fox on Apr 20, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EdE
Has a ten game hitting streak? Am I the only one who didn’t know this?
And CoPat is 0 for his last 22. Ouch.
Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.
by jch24 on Apr 20, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CoPat = CuRap
he’s a nice reserve OF, thats it. nice defensively.
10 game hit streak? That’s a counting stat, son!
by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a counter
Screw these new-fangled percentage thingamabobs! You ever notice the words ‘magician’ and ‘statistician’ look a lot alike? It’s all smoke and mirrors I say! A passing fad, just like the internet!
Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.
by jch24 on Apr 20, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a counter
i go by feel.
its not about how many times for me, but what it feels like.
by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
quality, not quantity
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it.
Please Note: I may be totally full of shit.
by jch24 on Apr 20, 2008 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
want tips?
i can show you how to get it…
by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't take the tip, jch
it never stops with just a tip
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
AntiClog goes by ear - in more ways than one
Radiohead killed the Video Star
by Madville on Apr 20, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edwin's unnoticed streak
This has been driving me crazy and I’ve been mentioning it every chance I get. People are now mentioning his low 240ish batting average forgetting that when the streak began he was hitting .083. The kid is superfly TNT! He’s the guns of the navarone!
by Red Menace on Apr 21, 2008 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you dogging on him?
He’s batting .258.
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 21, 2008 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And one more thing
Give Dusty some credit. EdE’s hit streak started the day after he was giving a day off against the Brewers. Off days don’t always work, but his one seemed to help out EdE a bit.
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 21, 2008 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I root for Edwin
I think he’s gotten a vicious raw deal in this town. It seems like he’s never had anybody in the organization who really “has his back,” and he’s always struck me as a kid who could use that. Narron pretty clearly didn’t like him, and looked for any excuse to bench him in favor of the veteran flavor of the week. Wayne sent him back to AAA after a few weeks of struggles. Marty and the rest of his brigade took every opportunity to point out his flaws, while not crediting him for the things he did well. Fans and the talking heads on the radio brand him as “lazy” because he doesn’t show emotion on the field (Edwin’s lazy, Harang’s professional. Wonder what the difference is there?).
I hope Dusty can get through to him, and doesn’t see an error as an invitation to get some hot veteran presence into the lineup. We could have a hell of a player on our hands if he does.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
by BLee2525 on Apr 20, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
I think Dusty has Edwin’s back. When he was struggling at the plate, Dusty kept saying that he would come around. And I really liked a quote Dusty had that something along the lines of “Everybody on the team came over to Edwin before the bottom of the 10th and told him not to worry that they would pick him up. That’s what being a team is all about.” I’m not much for Dusty the strategist, but I’m coming around to Dusty the people person. I can see why his players like playing for him. Now if it would just result in some damn production!
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dum
In a brain fart, I didn’t put the whole sentiment of the quote. He also went on to talk about how Edwin internalizes all of his mistakes and really beats himself up. You could tell by the tone in his voice that he really cares about him. That’s why I think players like playing for him.
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I think Dusty has his back. Griffey, too.
by BubbaFan on Apr 20, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While we're riding the smooth waves of AM radio rock
another Dusty quotation that I found uplifting (via the C word):
Baker on Dunn: “He’s swinging better, when I see him go to left field like that. He hit another one good. He’s coming. Run producers and power hitters do 50 percent of their damage in 30 percent of the time. ... A lot of guys get frustrated and go out of the zone, but the one thing you don’t want to do is get lulled to sleep. (Dunn) is pretty good, so far (at avoiding frustration). Everyone wants to swing, you know? We’re doing good as a club as far as taking walks. Not only (Dunn) but also Edwin. The batting average doesn’t match the on-base percentage, and that’s because they’re taking walks. We’re having good at-bats, I’m just so positive and confident that we’re on the bring of getting hot, hot. I can feel it. I’m not just talking, I believe in what I’m saying. That’s why some of the guys are so frustrated.”
I’m trying to wrap my head around the 50 percent 30 percent thingy.
Don't listen to Stalin, kid, he's a punk...
by Man Mountain on Apr 20, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit
that quote melted my brain computer. that was from dusty? Praising middle of the lineup guys for taking walks? I am honestly shocked at that quote.
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can find it at the bottom of this page
http://www.thelotd.com/ctrent/blog/2008/04/20/pregame_redlegs_v_brewers_420
Don't listen to Stalin, kid, he's a punk...
by Man Mountain on Apr 20, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy cTrent looks like he's be hanging with some rough trade...
Radiohead killed the Video Star
by Madville on Apr 20, 2008 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty uses Sex Panther
50% of the time it works everytime
by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I must say, I’m pleasantly surprised by that quote. This is crazy; he’s praising taking walks and OBP, he seems to be doing a good job of protecting Cueto and Volquez from overuse, and he seems to understand that some guys need encouragement when they’re struggling (Encarnacion), and some guys you just leave the hell alone (Dunn). Seems like you can teach an old dog new tricks.
Oh, wait. Corey Patterson’s still batting leadoff. Never mind.
"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey
by BLee2525 on Apr 20, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know
I think we might see him fazed out of that spot. I think we just might.
Don't listen to Stalin, kid, he's a punk...
by Man Mountain on Apr 20, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
60% of statistics are all made up.
At least it wasn't Grady Little.
by Paul Householder on Apr 20, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was 47%
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I made up the percentage.
But if you’ve run the numbers, 47% it is. Could you graph the use of made-up statistics against phases of the moon?
At least it wasn't Grady Little.
by Paul Householder on Apr 20, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul I've kept my word
with taking scrappy players on my fantasy team…well lets say the standings speak for themselves :{
Norris Hopper's #1 fan!!!
by Zach K on Apr 21, 2008 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had forgotten this
but Edwin is the 2nd youngest hitter on the team to Joey Votto by just 264 days. Volquez is only 177 days younger than EdE. Cueto is the only player on the team significantly younger.
Just sayin’.
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Reds have an old lineup
Veteran presence.
by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
How many errors does Votto have?
by MindYourOwnBusiness on Apr 20, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
playing first base?
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 21, 2008 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TRUE WHAT?????
They play different positions. You can’t compare their defense. EdE’s problem is throwing, something he wouldn’t do much at 1B.
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 21, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he said true DAT!!!!
Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah
by boobs on Apr 21, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Believe me..
..Edwin would find a way to fuck up that “not throwing from first base” part, too.
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 21, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Optimism
for the next week (except for tomorrow Penny seems to own us lately). 2 ‘gainst the Dodgers, 2 Stros and 3 San Fran. Even though Belisle hasn’t done anything the rotation looks better on paper without Fogg.
by buckeye22fox on Apr 20, 2008 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and to think that Fogg was really the only worrisome problem in this rotation.
Arroyo hasnt been as effective as we would like, but we shouldnt worry about him just yet. his leash isnt that short. this team has the potential we havent seen around here in ages. Red summer nights, bitches.
Abraham Lincoln said that if you're a racist, I will invade you with the north.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 20, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The offense could use a shot in the arm, though.
And I, unlike shortstop, don’t think that Alex Gonzalez instead of Keppinger, Encarnacion or anyone else currently in the starting lineup will be the answer (unless he suddenly displays an aptitude for catching or playing center field, and even then, with the way Bako is hitting, it is questionable at least at catcher).
At least it wasn't Grady Little.
by Paul Householder on Apr 21, 2008 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belizzle is back - how soon til we gat a look at Jay
Radiohead killed the Video Star
by Madville on Apr 20, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mets-Phillies
The ESPN guys are actually talking about the Reds. Started out talking about the dramatic win (“Paul Bako”?!). Then moved on to what a stud Cueto is, and Griffey’s closing in on 600.
by BubbaFan on Apr 20, 2008 11:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Third Base
is a very difficult position error-wise. VERY difficult. Nearly every team in the bigs is disappointed with their defense at third.
by the-dude on Apr 21, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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