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Milwaukee Brewers
@ Cincinnati Reds

Sunday, Apr 20, 2008, 1:15 PM EDT
Great American Ball Park

Yovani Gallardo vs Aaron Harang

Partly cloudy. Winds blowing out to left field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 60.

 

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W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2008 - Aaron Harang 1-2 3.33 1.07 21 7

Gallardo is making his first start since coming off a knee injury, so who knows what to expect. His rehab starts are a little scattered: He's struck out 18 and walked only five in 15.2 innings, but he's given up 20 hits and nine runs (5.17 ERA). Last year he was Milwaukee's Homer Bailey, only much more successful: 9-5 with a 3.67 ERA, 1.269 WHIP. I guess he was really their Johnny Cueto.

With the uncertainty surrounding his return, I don't feel unhopeful. But with the way we've been hitting and defending, I certainly don't feel hopeful, either. Go Reds anyway.

 

 

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I didn't realize that things are this bad

The opponents starter will be pitching underhand to us today. And we still won’t be able to score many runs.

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 20, 2008 11:17 AM EDT   1 recs

Good catch!

Maybe we’ve got a shot today, then!

Its funny considering the last decade, but now I’m hoping the Reds go into the next draft and get another big, strapping outfielder that can tear the cover off the ball. We used to think we had plenty of those, but no pitching. Now it seems its reversed.

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Apr 20, 2008 11:24 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hopefully one that hits right handed

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 20, 2008 11:25 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm hopeful

We’re due, dammit. And maybe the Brewers will have a house money/getaway day lineup in. It’s the division-leading Cards up next for the Brewers. I think it would be a great day to rest Bill Hall.

David Duchovny, why won't you love me?

by BubbaFan on Apr 20, 2008 11:46 AM EDT   0 recs

I agree

but if I’m the Brew Crew freakin Bill Hall would never rest against the Reds

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 20, 2008 11:52 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thoughts on Frank Thomas being released?

Could he be our RH off the bench – occasional 1B versus lefties? Assuming the price is right.

by Nick Papageorgio on Apr 20, 2008 12:04 PM EDT   0 recs

I'd probably take Thomas's bat over Piazza

but Thomas has played 68 games in the field since 2000 and hasn’t actually put on a glove since 2004. I don’t see him fitting anywhere in the NL.

WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!

by Slyde on Apr 20, 2008 12:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The money would have to work...

but he just mashes lefties.

OPS’d over 1.000 last year.

by Nick Papageorgio on Apr 20, 2008 12:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

big frank

i dont think he would come to the Reds, even if he could play the field. apparently he was pissed at the Jays for cutting his playing time, and that is something he wouldnt really get here, even if he could play 1st. it would be totally wicked bad if we had him as our big righty, but alas…

Abraham Lincoln said that if you're a racist, I will invade you with the north.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Apr 20, 2008 1:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Doesn't the money *have* to be right?

Since the BJs cut him, won’t the team picking him up only be responsible for the prorated ML minimum and the BJs are forced to swallow the rest?

How many more asides can I work into a serious comment?

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Apr 20, 2008 1:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

frank thomas was released?

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 20, 2008 1:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Weathers to the DL

Ulnar nerve irritation according to Fay. MRI was normal though.

by xjjeep90 on Apr 20, 2008 12:17 PM EDT   0 recs

The lineups...

Courtesy of C. Trent:

Brewers

1. Rickie Weeks 2b
   2. J.J. Hardy ss
   3. Ryan Braun lf
   4. Prince Fielder 1b
   5. Corey Hart rf
   6. Bill Hall 3b
   7. Gabe Gross cf
   8. Yovani Gallardo p
   9. Jason Kendall c

Redlegs

1. Corey Patterson cf
   2. Brandon Phillips 2b
   3. Ken Griffey Jr. rf
   4. Adam Dunn lf
   5. Jeff Keppinger ss
   6. Joey Votto 1b
   7. Edwin Encarnacion 3b
   8. Paul Bako c
   9. Aaron Harang p

He also says Weathers is going to the 15-day DL. The Reds will play shorthanded today, and call up Belisle tomorrow.

David Duchovny, why won't you love me?

by BubbaFan on Apr 20, 2008 12:19 PM EDT   0 recs

Man, that didn't come out right, did it?

It looked okay in preview. Let’s try that again:

Brewers


1. Rickie Weeks 2b
2. J.J. Hardy ss
3. Ryan Braun lf
4. Prince Fielder 1b
5. Corey Hart rf
6. Bill Hall 3b
7. Gabe Gross cf
8. Yovani Gallardo p
9. Jason Kendall c

Redlegs


1. Corey Patterson cf
2. Brandon Phillips 2b
3. Ken Griffey Jr. rf
4. Adam Dunn lf
5. Jeff Keppinger ss
6. Joey Votto 1b
7. Edwin Encarnacion 3b
8. Paul Bako c
9. Aaron Harang p

David Duchovny, why won't you love me?

by BubbaFan on Apr 20, 2008 12:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

id rather see

hopper or freel there everyday at this point

by cokane on Apr 20, 2008 12:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

this post is awesome

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 1:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

at leadoff?

What’s wrong with Kepp?
Kepp
votto
griff
dunn
phillips
ee
cpatt
catcher
pitcher

by Nick Papageorgio on Apr 20, 2008 12:30 PM EDT   0 recs

i don't understand it, either

kepp’s obp: .367. he doesn’t steal bases, but neither does patterson since he’s never on base (.246 obp, even under his career avg!)

has dunn ever led off? he’s at .423 obp right now. why does he hit so low in the lineup? he’s always on base with few to hit him in. i guess edwin and votto have started to hit now, but geez, get dunner up to the two hole or something.

2008 NL Central Champs!

by Daedalus on Apr 20, 2008 12:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Optimized lineups, using PECOTA

With Votto:

  1. Keppinger
  2. Dunn
  3. Griffey
  4. Encarnacion
  5. Votto
  6. Patterson
  7. Phillips
  8. Pitcher
  9. Bako
With Hatteberg:
  1. Hatteberg
  2. Dunn
  3. Keppinger
  4. Encarnacion
  5. Griffey
  6. Patterson
  7. Phillips
  8. Pitcher
  9. Bako

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 20, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Any optimized lineup would have C-Patt on the bench.

Phillips is more likely to bat 3-4 all year than 7. Ugh I hate our manager

by Nick Papageorgio on Apr 20, 2008 12:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dunn would be good at leadoff or 4.

The best way to score runs is to get your leadoff man on base in an inning (obvious).

The #1 hitter leads off the most innings, followed by the #4.

I can’t see Dunn ever leading off, so 4 is the logical spot for him.

by Nick Papageorgio on Apr 20, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Careful, Daedalus

You’re starting to sound like a stathead :)

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Apr 20, 2008 1:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Where are the "Big Moves"?

I had heard some rumblings that big stuff was going down this weekend.

Anyone concerned with Bailey’s AAA K/IP ratio? The kid just doesnt seem to overpower people, but im still optimistic. Kris Benson type career?

Is NoHo still on the roster? Have the team MD’s banned him from playing?

by obc2 on Apr 20, 2008 12:54 PM EDT   0 recs

Bailey seems to be making a concerted effort to trade some K’s for improved control. He has only four walks in four starts.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Apr 20, 2008 12:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i think bailey's success

outweighs any concern about his lowish K rate. whatever he’s doing, it’s working.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 1:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and the syracuse chiefs

and the scranton yankees (when he struck out 7 in 5.2 innings). and the pawtucket red sox. But he didn’t have this kind of success (1.03 ERA) in the minors last year. He’s never had this kind of success at any level, although I’m sure he won’t sustain that low of an ERA all season.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 1:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Mudhens

With International League MVP Mike Hessman, and certified RHP-killer Curtis Granderson on a rehab assignment?

Pretty impressive, IMO.

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Apr 20, 2008 1:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was just shootin' my mouth off.

IL hitters have always impressed me. I’ve been to my share of Clippers games through the years and I’ve convinced myself that it’s a reasonable facsimile of MLB-caliber play.

There’s always a a SS or 3B who can’t make routine plays, there won’t often be more than one “fearsome” hitter in either lineup , and the pitchers always seem to be “working on their conrol.” Otherwise, the IL is pretty good. I like it enough.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 20, 2008 2:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i think it'll be a good day

i think we’re gonna own gallardo. just a hunch.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 1:15 PM EDT   0 recs

Pretty good interview between tHom and Dick.

I don’t usually watch the pregame stuff (coughcoughJimDaycough) but that was better than your average collection of vanilla platitudes.

(I’d paraphrase and condense it and post it for ya’ll but I’ve gotta go walk the dawg.)

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 20, 2008 1:16 PM EDT   0 recs

true

I don’t remember the last time I actually heard Dick speak. He seems like a nice, intelligent guy.

by JoseRijoIsGod on Apr 20, 2008 1:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey Magnus Sammuelson just threw ten kegs over a 15 foot high wall

Are there any more dinner rolls? -President Ted Kennedy

by The Crushinator on Apr 20, 2008 1:19 PM EDT   0 recs

that guys a beast

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 1:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

cincinnati?

mostly cloudy

"Never perfect but perfectly forgiven." -Petra

by shortstopv2 on Apr 20, 2008 1:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

whats with taking all these pitches?

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 1:25 PM EDT   0 recs

a WALK?

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 1:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually hes swinging so late

the ump thinks hes just warming up for the next pitch

Are there any more dinner rolls? -President Ted Kennedy

by The Crushinator on Apr 20, 2008 1:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

thata boy cpatt

who says he cant bat leadoff?

"Never perfect but perfectly forgiven." -Petra

by shortstopv2 on Apr 20, 2008 1:25 PM EDT   0 recs

residents of earth

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 20, 2008 1:28 PM EDT to parent up   1 recs

God damn what can't magnus samuelson do?

Are there any more dinner rolls? -President Ted Kennedy

by The Crushinator on Apr 20, 2008 1:27 PM EDT   0 recs

just missed it

"Never perfect but perfectly forgiven." -Petra

by shortstopv2 on Apr 20, 2008 1:28 PM EDT   0 recs

Harang Picture on OP

Is that a split-finger grip, or is that one of his breaking balls? I know nothing about pitching grips, but I’m trying to learn. :) -j

On Baseball and the Reds

by JinAZ on Apr 20, 2008 1:29 PM EDT   0 recs

hes holding it like a split-finger

but i dont think he throws that pitch

"Never perfect but perfectly forgiven." -Petra

by shortstopv2 on Apr 20, 2008 1:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

did he used to?

when he first came to us from the A’s?
I can’t remember.

by JoseRijoIsGod on Apr 20, 2008 1:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i have no idea

you may be correct

"Never perfect but perfectly forgiven." -Petra

by shortstopv2 on Apr 20, 2008 1:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm sure he doesn't

...which is why I was surprised to see it. :) I don’t know how to throw a slider, though, so I thought maybe that could be it. -j

On Baseball and the Reds

by JinAZ on Apr 20, 2008 1:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

lerch got some big hands

yes i believe that is a split finger

by JoseRijoIsGod on Apr 20, 2008 1:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

location location location

thats why harang is so good

"Never perfect but perfectly forgiven." -Petra

by shortstopv2 on Apr 20, 2008 1:35 PM EDT   0 recs

harang is on today

"Never perfect but perfectly forgiven." -Petra

by shortstopv2 on Apr 20, 2008 1:36 PM EDT   0 recs

when is ross able to come up

tomorrow?

"Never perfect but perfectly forgiven." -Petra

by shortstopv2 on Apr 20, 2008 1:37 PM EDT   0 recs

not sure

someone will have to go when he comes, no?

by JoseRijoIsGod on Apr 20, 2008 1:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yes

hopefully valentine

"Never perfect but perfectly forgiven." -Petra

by shortstopv2 on Apr 20, 2008 1:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Umm....

Joe Valentine’s been gone for quite a while.

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Apr 20, 2008 1:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe he means Bobby Valentine

Are there any more dinner rolls? -President Ted Kennedy

by The Crushinator on Apr 20, 2008 1:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Who?

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Apr 20, 2008 1:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Dammit

I suck at this. That was supposed to be Bobby Valentine in his sunglasses and fake mustache after he was ejected.

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Apr 20, 2008 1:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Whats the difference between a 90 and a 92-3 mph fastball

Is it significantly noticable to a hitter? I just cant imagine there being much of a difference

Are there any more dinner rolls? -President Ted Kennedy

by The Crushinator on Apr 20, 2008 1:40 PM EDT   0 recs

i'd imagine a little

but when you’re 6-7 i dont think it matters too much

by JoseRijoIsGod on Apr 20, 2008 1:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

At one point I calculated it

A 6 mph difference over 55 feet (about how far away a pitch releases the ball from his hand) amounted to a difference of ~0.03 seconds in its arrival at the plate. So 3 mph should be about 0.015 seconds..

Is that enough to matter to a hitter’s timing? Heck if I know… My guess is no, but I also imagine that every little bit counts… -j

On Baseball and the Reds

by JinAZ on Apr 20, 2008 1:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you very much

truly a wealth of information

Are there any more dinner rolls? -President Ted Kennedy

by The Crushinator on Apr 20, 2008 1:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

John Walsh

Phenomenal study of fastball velocity & location vs. results posted at the hardball times today:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/how-fast-should-a-fastball-be/
-j

On Baseball and the Reds

by JinAZ on Apr 21, 2008 1:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

the big thing is the movement

and location.

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Apr 20, 2008 2:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

So who is together again?

And why is it OK when the Reds don’t come out to play?

by riverfront on Apr 20, 2008 1:40 PM EDT   0 recs

hoooly moses

that was a long fly ball

Are there any more dinner rolls? -President Ted Kennedy

by The Crushinator on Apr 20, 2008 1:49 PM EDT   0 recs

GABP

a pitcher’s park for one at bat

by JoseRijoIsGod on Apr 20, 2008 1:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs