Game Thoughts, Reds Lose To DBacks 4-2

Quick thoughts:
- Corey Patterson looks like he'll be a pretty good defender in center, but I'm still not behind him leading off, and I'm pretty sure I never will be. I mind the Patterson pick up a lot less now than I did when it happened, but he needs to be hitting sixth or seventh. But that's not going to happen I imagine.
- Aaron Harang looked find, just made a couple of mistakes which will happen. Still managed a quality start. More importantly the bullpen looked halfway decent. Sure, Burton gave up a run, but I'm used to games getting completely out of reach come about the 8th, so any day when the Reds managed to put up 0s in the 8th and 9th is an encouraging one.
- All the Cincinnati writer's seem to be making a big deal out of Valentin not running hard out of the box on his long single, but I'm not so sure he makes it to second even running hard. He looked even slower than I remembered.
- I hope EdE doesn't let the error get into his head. I'm pretty sure he didn't get a good grip on a wet ball, and those are the exact kind of errors that are excusable.
- Brandon Webb is kind of good. The Diamondbacks are going to win most of his starts, so there's no shame in dropping that one. Hopefully they can just come back and get the next two.
- The Nuxhall jersey thing was a great gesture. They need to get his number retired ASAP.
Picture via AP and Al Behrman
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I agree with retiring # 41
But they must not be planning to do that, because they gave that number to Affeldt. Didn't Joe wear # 39 too?
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by MixFMKyle on Apr 1, 2008 8:58 AM EDT 0 recs
They must retire Joe's number
and do it on June 10th vs. the Cardinals. That is the anniversary of his first game June 10, 1944 (ironically enough vs the Cards).
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
by Caleb on Apr 1, 2008 9:11 AM EDT 0 recs
We should take the lead on this
and make sure it happens. Who do we contact with the Reds organization? Who will head this up?
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
by Caleb on Apr 1, 2008 9:12 AM EDT 0 recs
I'm pretty sure we'd be stepping on someone's toes
but we could try
by Brian B on
Apr 1, 2008 9:25 AM EDT
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just like dancin with a prom date
I emailed the Reds and Alan Cutler about it and this was his response:
i like it....i will throw it out there...and say it came from you
Alan S. Cutler
Host of the Cincinnati Bengals Radio Network
700 WLW Sports Talk
5:30-9am 1530 Homer 50,000 Watts
Sports Director WLEX-TV
Host Reds Radio Network
Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds
by Caleb on
Apr 1, 2008 5:21 PM EDT
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Edwin.
Forgive his error and check out what he did in his four trips to the plate:
2nd: drew a 2-out walk after falling behing 1-2 to Brandon Webb
4th: drew a walk from a 2-2 count against Brandon Webb
6th: with two outs with the Reds down by a run, he took a pitch and then grounded out to third.
9th: w/ one out and the Reds down by two, he took the first two pitches he saw from Brandon Lyon and then swung and missed at a third.
So all in all, Edwin drew two walks against a guy who will likely average fewer than two walks per game, and then in the ninth EdE tried to draw a walk and bring the tying run to the plate. He saw seventeen pitches on the day. Only Griffey saw more (18).
Well, Chris Young saw more (19). And so did Eric Byrnes (20) and Mark Reynolds (18). And Chris Snyder saw just as many (17). But Justin Upton saw more (21).
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 1, 2008 10:14 AM EDT 1 recs
How did the Dbacks win
leaving their bats on their shoulders like that and watching pitches go by?
Walks didn't never bring me no pheasant.
Plus ca change...
by Man Mountain on
Apr 1, 2008 11:24 AM EDT
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Props to our bullpen.
Check out the Cubs' dirty diapers.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 1, 2008 12:16 PM EDT 0 recs
One game and I still haven't warmed up to Corey Patterson
Maybe it has to do with familiarity but I would rather see NoHo leading off and getting the bulk of the playing time. Brendon Webb was pretty on game yesterday. I was not surprised at the anemic offensive. I think that the offense of the 2008 club is less strong than in 2007. EdE and Votto must emerge as the hitters we all think they can be f the Reds are going to be offensively balanced enough to contend. It is also tough to have such a free swinger (BP) batting in front of Dunn, who is obviously more disciplined. Most of the guys just looked over matched by Webb, hope this is not a trend against the better NL pitchers.
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by Madville on Apr 1, 2008 12:40 PM EDT 0 recs
Okay Day
I saw a lot of strikeouts, EdE's error, a mental lapse on Valentin's part, and a crushing extra run given up in the 7th inning. These are worrisome signs, but they seem like things within the team's ability to correct. I think it will take some time.
I liked: Weathers and Cordero, Harang pitching through a rough patch and still producing quality work, Patterson's CF defense. I think the team had a chance to win this one and it slipped away. Here's hoping we don't say that too often this year--it depends on how quickly they learn and adjust.
by jamesp50014 on Apr 1, 2008 2:37 PM EDT 0 recs
Pickin' nits here.
When exactly did the Reds "have a chance to win this one and it slipped away"?
Was it when Brandon Webb almost sprained his wrist playing in Eric Byrnes' pregame Wii Bowling tournament at the hotel at 1030 in the morning?
Or was it when..
Hatteberg hit a long fly ball with EE on base when they were down by a run. In the second inning.
And then with two outs and Dunn having just drawn a walk, Edwin came up as the go-ahead run. In the sixth.
Other than that (I think) the Reds were always down two or three runs whenever they had "scoring opportunities."
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Apr 1, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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Well
I see an error and a wild pitch that led to a run in inning one. I saw a bullpen give up a run in the 7th, doubling the opponent's lead. I see Valentin potentially missing out on a double, settling for a single. Who knows what would have happened if one or two of these things had not occirred? We'll never know. But it seems to me that the game was within reach. I believe that the errors, lapses and Sos put the game out of reach. Webb was good and we helped him.
by jamesp50014 on
Apr 1, 2008 6:52 PM EDT
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I find it funny that everybody on fays site
is already bailing on the reds. You guys should go over there and read some. And i actually really like patterson out in the OF
until someone gets hurt or griffey gets traded. Patterson seems to so far be a better lead off hitter than freel, he didnt strike out against web, which is great for a lead off hitter. I also saw he hit the ball hard 3 times. One was a shot right at the second baseman, one was a line drive to the outfield, and i think he had a hard shot down the line stopped by the 1st baseman. those will eventually fall, but until bruce is here hes our best option.
If they had exhumed Marge Schotte and propped her up against the dugout railing, she would have exuded more enthusiasm and fire than Dusty Baker did today.
"I can't stand Baker. The Reds look like lifeless losers just like they did last year. At least Cordero held it together in the 9th. What a tightrope walk this season is going to be. Oh I know, one game doesn't mean anything. And when we're 20 games under .500, there will be other caveats too. $15 million worth of nothing in the dugout."
-A fay poster
"Never perfect but perfectly forgiven." -Petra
by shortstopv2 on Apr 1, 2008 2:53 PM EDT 0 recs
One game doesn't mean anything
It means everything! (when there's only one game)
Every year, people read too much into Opening Day. And every year it is indicative of nothing.
For instance, last year they won on Opening Day, and sucked most of the rest of the year. In 2006, they got crushed 16-7 and almost finished with a winning record. In 2005, they had that glorious comeback on the Dunn and Randa HRs that was supposed to spawn some energy in the organization. They finished 73-89.
We know nothing about this team yet.
Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!
by Slyde on
Apr 1, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
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well.....
I know their best CF is in Louisville.
I know their catching is suspect.
I know their rotation is much improved (Lizard, Mickalacka).
I know the Reds have eaten another contract for an aging relief LHP (Cormier, Hammond, Stanton).
I know we are short on RHP power bats.
I know I will be drinking tomorrow night.
I know Slyde will bring a blankie. (and i will most likely envy him around the 7th inning)
by obc2 on
Apr 1, 2008 3:59 PM EDT
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What do you suspect of the catching?
That they suck?
'Cuz I'm all ready to take 'em downtown and book 'em for that.
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Apr 1, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
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The blankie
My mama didn't raise no dummy.
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by Slyde on
Apr 1, 2008 4:35 PM EDT
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Yes please.
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by Slyde on
Apr 1, 2008 4:53 PM EDT
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deffinently, in 1999 one game didn't make a differnce.
The Dusty Path to the World Series!*
*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.
by justin007000 on
Apr 1, 2008 7:42 PM EDT
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yep, that's what I said.
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by Slyde on
Apr 1, 2008 7:46 PM EDT
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i just kinda felt like being a dick
really what you said was accurate. If we are trying to read into the season based on one game, that is silly. I think the Reds did enough things right yesterday. They didn't lose the game as much as the Diamondbacks won the game. When a guy like Brandon Webb is dominating there isn't much you can do but hope your guy can do the same. When Harang and Webb face off it is a toss up.
I am worried about Burton, but I am more worried that his high walk total will catch up to him, not so much because of the solo home run he gave up yesterday. If the Reds can keep a bullpen ERA of 3 I will be more than pleased.
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*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.
by justin007000 on
Apr 1, 2008 9:49 PM EDT
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Isn't a bullpen ERA of 3.00 a bit unrealistic?
I don't know.. what's a league average bullpen put up in the ERA department? What about a good bullpen?
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Apr 1, 2008 10:09 PM EDT
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BBRef.com splits are still wonky
but according to Retrosheet, the average Major League Bullpen had an ERA of 4.16 last year. In the NL it was 4.04. I think the top bullpen in the NL was San Diego at 3.01. If the Reds bullpen ERA remains at 3 the whole year, I'll stop wearing clothes.
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by Slyde on
Apr 2, 2008 8:32 AM EDT
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that isn't an expectation
it is more if the Reds starting pitchers consitantly pitch 6 innings, and I know that between Burton, Weathers, and Cordero they will average to give up 1 one run I will be pleased. It isn't completly unreleastic to hope for an ERA around 3 from those 3 guys.
And for the sake of people in the Cincinnati area I hope it doesn't remain at 3 for the whole year.
PS-Remember when the Reds bullpen didn't give up a single run for the first week or so last season?
The Dusty Path to the World Series!*
*Note this is not an endorsment of Dusty Baker.
by justin007000 on
Apr 2, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
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btw that marge schotte quote is NOT mine
i couldnt get it into the box
"Never perfect but perfectly forgiven." -Petra
by shortstopv2 on
Apr 1, 2008 4:37 PM EDT
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It's Marge Schott
I understand your issues.
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by Slyde on
Apr 1, 2008 4:53 PM EDT
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Patterson seems to so far be a better lead off hitter than freel, he didnt strike out against web, which is great for a lead off hitter. I also saw he hit the ball hard 3 times. One was a shot right at the second baseman, one was a line drive to the outfield, and i think he had a hard shot down the line stopped by the 1st baseman. those will eventually fall, but until bruce is here hes our best option.
April Fools!! Right?
Right?
Plus ca change...
by Man Mountain on
Apr 1, 2008 5:17 PM EDT
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The thing is that...
We could still win the Central at 15 games under .500...
Scared by the new look...
by crolfer on
Apr 2, 2008 7:52 AM EDT
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Ah, so you in fact have started smoking grass.
Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!
by Slyde on
Apr 2, 2008 8:32 AM EDT
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Terrible news, guys.
The Rays picked up their 2009 option on Carl Crawford today. I thought ctownboy told me he was gonna be available!
by Geki on Apr 1, 2008 3:15 PM EDT 0 recs
Damnit
that totally screws the plan. I wonder if they'd trade him for Dunn and EdE together?
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by Slyde on
Apr 1, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
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how about
bruce, votto, and cueto
they would have to take that for sure
"Never perfect but perfectly forgiven." -Petra
by shortstopv2 on
Apr 1, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
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And another thing...
Where's Daedalus? DId she get to go to the game?
by Fat Vegas Alan on Apr 1, 2008 4:17 PM EDT 0 recs
Look at this way....
When Gonzo gets back, he can lead off. His career OBP is lower than Corey's, he's slower, and according to Dusty one of the best shortstops in all of baseball, so you know it has to be true. I'm waiting for us to trade for Tony Pena. I mean, he steals bases less than 50% of the time, can't get on base to save his life, and has a career error/walk ratio of 2 to 1. Without a doubt, he's the greatest shortstop and next great lead off hitter in the game. All he needs is for us to show our faith.
by tonywf on Apr 1, 2008 5:09 PM EDT 0 recs
#1 & #2
Well, because of technical difficulties I didn't get to hear any of the game. I think I go that worked out now. It was a pretty crazy day at work so I was only able to check in periodically via the Gameday. I'm hopeful that the bat will wake up soon, but an 0-8 output with 7 LOB between the first two spots is disheartening...I was hoping for another Wire-to-wire run...
by satyanaas on Apr 1, 2008 5:44 PM EDT 0 recs
Let's see how this makes you feel about Patterson
According to USA Today, he's making $3 million this year.
FWIW, there are several players on the list that do not match MLB4U or Cots, so this may not be completely right. Plus, their total salary of $74,117,695 is about $10 million less than what I came up with on the wiki. I'm not saying that I'm necessarily right, just that there is a disconnect somewhere. For instance, Griffey and Arroyo seem to be missing a large amount of money - Griffey's is deferred money and I believe Arroyo's number on USA Today is his old contract, which was over-written by the new deal.
WHY SHOULD I CHANGE IT? HE'S THE ONE WHO SUCKS!
by Slyde on Apr 2, 2008 1:20 PM EDT 0 recs










