Reds sign Patterson, Hairston
Ol Dusty's veteran fetish has been scratched. At least they aren't major league deals. So do either of these clowns make the team? And now I'll just ramble a bit more about how Dusty loves him some veterans!
From the Reds:
Tonight the Reds signed to minor league contracts and invited to Major League spring training camp OF Corey Patterson and IF Jerry Hairston Jr.
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yeah
by eddroush on
Mar 3, 2008 7:21 PM EST
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I had the same reaction
I guess this furthur decreases Jay Bruces big league chances. Why when this team already has plenty of extra outfielders in Freel, Hopper, and Dickerson, would they bring in more. For the good of Reds baseball somebody at Redreporter needs to kidnap Patterson until October.
One wonders where Wayne Krivksy is on the decision making poll. Not that he didn't have his own veteran fetish, but he didn't have Jocketty jocketting between him and the owner, and he had Jerry Narron and Pete. Neither a manager with a name. Baker isn't a yes man like his predascessors, his name and contract give him more pull in the roster decisions, he is probably making more money than Wayne, and has more job security than Wayne. If Cincinnati has another rough year Krivsky may be on his way out, with Jocketty waiting in the wings. I would like to go on record of saying I am against Walt Jocketty.
by justin0070000 on
Mar 3, 2008 8:00 PM EST
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... Crap...
by crolfer on
Mar 3, 2008 7:45 PM EST
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Fuck You Wayne. Fuck You Dusty. Fuck You Reds
see Womack, Tony; Castro, Juan; Ellison, Jason; Coats, Buck; Mays, Joe...
by Man Mountain on
Mar 3, 2008 7:55 PM EST
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ellison, coats
by Brian B on
Mar 3, 2008 8:00 PM EST
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thought about coats as soon
It won't matter that Patterson is 28, he'll be defended as a guy who's experienced and can come in and compete and show the younger guys how it's done. Mark my words.
by Man Mountain on
Mar 3, 2008 8:06 PM EST
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& Fuck You Bob!!!!
by Madville on
Mar 3, 2008 9:13 PM EST
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fuck
by Brian B on
Mar 3, 2008 7:56 PM EST
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Dude... Reggie Taylor could run 90 ft in 3.5
by crolfer on
Mar 3, 2008 8:04 PM EST
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Unnecessary. Disappointing.
by Slyde on
Mar 3, 2008 7:59 PM EST
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Expanding
As for Patterson, he has a .291 OBP over the last 3 seasons. If he even sniffs the lead-off spot, I'll be pissed.
by Slyde on
Mar 3, 2008 8:06 PM EST
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Well... OPB is overrated according to Dirtface...
by crolfer on
Mar 3, 2008 8:08 PM EST
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*Just realized how racist that nickname sounds*...
by crolfer on
Mar 3, 2008 8:13 PM EST
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Dustbobdranopants
by Madville on
Mar 3, 2008 9:14 PM EST
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Mistadobalina Mistabobbobalina
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Mar 3, 2008 10:07 PM EST
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Damn. That should be..
I used to rock the mic back in the days of old..
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Mar 3, 2008 10:09 PM EST
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step out of line and
by eddroush on
Mar 3, 2008 11:17 PM EST
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Link
Any bets he's batting lead off on opening day? Let me rephrase that, any bets he won't be batting lead off on opening day?
by Man Mountain on
Mar 3, 2008 8:01 PM EST
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Patterson?
by Brian B on
Mar 3, 2008 8:04 PM EST
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awesome!!!!
PSHYCH!!!!
by Charlie Scrabbles on
Mar 3, 2008 8:03 PM EST
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but honestly
by Charlie Scrabbles on
Mar 3, 2008 8:16 PM EST
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Chicago in 2003 all over again
by justin0070000 on
Mar 3, 2008 8:37 PM EST
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only 12 strokes?
by crolfer on
Mar 3, 2008 8:44 PM EST
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each per month
by justin0070000 on
Mar 3, 2008 8:48 PM EST
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I really really like this
by The Crushinator on
Mar 3, 2008 9:28 PM EST
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Hairston I have no use for.
I know, Patterson can't take a walk to save his life and his bat doesn't exactly make up for that. When he gets on base, though, he can create some havoc. He has a little pop in his bat. He's around league average defensively. He's just turning 27, that magical year when Darrell Chaney types turn into Babe Ruth clones or some such speculation.
If Patterson is starting in CF and leading off on opening day, I won't be happy. If he's on the ballclub, well, maybe that's OK.
What does bother me is that here we have a former first-round pick who happens to be a supposed "five-tool" OF and Leatherbritches didn't sign him first. That's troubling. Maybe I'm about to talk myself out of liking this. Let's see how it plays out.
by Thundering Turtle on
Mar 3, 2008 8:15 PM EST
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Dusty is like that teacher
(the fans are the students in that metaphor)
I was willing to be open minded on Dusty, maybe he learned something. I thought the hiring was lazy by the Reds, considering i don't even think they did a round of interviews. I wonder if he was Wayne or Bob's idea. I am guessing Bob's, he wanted to impress the fans (and potential season ticket holders, (have you seen the Bakers dozen pacakage?)) with a big name. I personally feel that they should have searched for a Rookie manager who has the potential to be a good manager. They may have found a better/less harmful manager, who costs a helluva lot less, and wouldn't bring in Corey Patterson.
by justin0070000 on
Mar 3, 2008 8:16 PM EST
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...most teachers are like that now...
by crolfer on
Mar 3, 2008 8:24 PM EST
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I've got a tough lesson for you to learn..
The sooner you learn this and accept it, the sooner you'll start smoking and drinking.
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Mar 3, 2008 10:04 PM EST
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The sad thing is
by Slyde on
Mar 3, 2008 10:06 PM EST
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Whoa! Whoa. Whoa. Whoa there.
Slyde, I know you know this so please.. get a hold of yourself.
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Mar 3, 2008 10:20 PM EST
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I am like that teacher...
That is to say, if I were the Reds Manager, Krivsky would confuse me for a batboy, the clubhouse manager might occasionally compliment my for punctual arrival at the ballpark, I might occasionally think I am doing a good job, I would often wonder if anyone cared how I filled out the lineup card, and I would field a team compiled completely of Dominicans.
And no, Corey Patterson, would not be on my team. (And not just because he is not Dominican)
by Verka Serduchka on
Mar 3, 2008 8:57 PM EST
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Who
by eddroush on
Mar 3, 2008 10:17 PM EST
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THe team is run by committee
Big Bob
Jocko
Waynr
Dustbobdrainopants
The taut and stingy corpse of Vet. Baseball reporter - Jack Moran
The sum is less than the whole.
by Madville on
Mar 4, 2008 9:37 AM EST
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If it matters
by cesarhernandez on
Mar 3, 2008 8:52 PM EST
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low numbers for a spring training invitee
by justin0070000 on
Mar 3, 2008 8:55 PM EST
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I think the Reds made moves for the Pennant!
Muwahahahaha!
What a collection of idiots.
Castellini, Baker and Krivsky.
Larry, Curly and Moe.
This is just about enough to cure me of +40 year of rooting for the Reds. I thought 1982 was bad, just wait for this year.
Corey Patterson.
Jerry Hairston.
Let that sink in.
I can't wait to see Hopper, Freel and Patterson all in the same outfield some night in Cincinnati.
That should fill up the stands.
And Jay Bruce will rot in the Minors this year. I wish they HAD traded him for Erik Bedard, because he will be USELESS to the Reds' this year.
What a joke. What a cruel joke, and what a waste of money it is to pay Dusty Baker to run this circus.
Can you say "worse than last year"?
Because they will be worse than last year.
I think it is time to start drinking heavily.
by Lonesome George on
Mar 3, 2008 10:27 PM EST
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Our one chance
Help us, Sister Daedalus. You're our only hope!
by Brendanukkah on
Mar 3, 2008 10:31 PM EST
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I like the move....
by WayneNarron on
Mar 3, 2008 10:37 PM EST
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Does anyone know..
I guess most people are pretty upset right now... But hey, check out this cool thing I learned to do with Corey's 2007 splits!
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Mar 3, 2008 10:45 PM EST
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Woops. I meant...
(The cool thing was in his '07 game logs. The splits are just Corey Patterson splits. FWIW, he played better in July and August.)
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Mar 3, 2008 11:07 PM EST
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Nothing left to do but . . .
by CablinasianRam on
Mar 3, 2008 10:49 PM EST
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I think I'd rather have signed a third catcher.
by Paul Householder on
Mar 3, 2008 11:19 PM EST
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Is opening day...
by xjjeep90 on
Mar 3, 2008 11:34 PM EST
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That would be awesome.
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Mar 3, 2008 11:41 PM EST
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will he be in camp tomorrow?
by Daedalus on
Mar 4, 2008 12:01 AM EST
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expounding
by boobs on
Mar 4, 2008 3:09 AM EST
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please read aloud
by boobs on
Mar 4, 2008 3:11 AM EST
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gusto?
by rojosoto on
Mar 4, 2008 8:35 AM EST
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He's not on our roster
by Man Mountain on
Mar 4, 2008 12:37 PM EST
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Wow
by Zach K on
Mar 4, 2008 8:42 AM EST
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god fucking damnit
by justin0070000 on
Mar 4, 2008 8:46 AM EST
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A View from a Cubs Fan
Any suggestions on a reasonably priced hotel to stay in with my 2 11 yr old sons?
Uh oh........Neifi Perez is taking a physical in Reds camp right now!!
by plenz on
Mar 4, 2008 10:27 AM EST
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I've never stayed in a hotel downtown
There may be some out-of-towners who have better, more experienced suggestions.
by Slyde on
Mar 4, 2008 10:39 AM EST
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Better, more-experienced suggestions
Seriously, why am I not drunk yet?
by Brendanukkah on
Mar 4, 2008 10:41 AM EST
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The Omni Netherland
by Madville on
Mar 4, 2008 9:31 PM EST
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The best rates are really by the lake
(/already too many Cubs fans at GABP)
by Brendanukkah on
Mar 4, 2008 10:40 AM EST
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maybe...........
How are the seat in..I think its called view level or something....upper deck. Or are bleachers better?
by plenz on
Mar 4, 2008 10:50 AM EST
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Yes...
Try telling that to the judge.
by Verka Serduchka on
Mar 4, 2008 12:30 PM EST
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This has to be said
So they signed a couple of guys with major league experience to minor league deals. So what? It happens all of the time.
Do you know why Dusty has such a bad rep as a manager? Because of the frikkin' Cubs. If he'd had a record for any other team like he did with Chicago, people would be falling all over themselves whooping what a great manager he is. But since he couldn't take the Cubs, and their dirtbag fans, to the World Series, all sorts of things are thrown at him.
Ooooo, he loves his vets!!! Fact: While manager of Chicago, the "batting age" of the team (as calculated by bbref.com) dropped every single year; with the exception of 1 year, the "pitching age" was 28 (even with an ancient Maddux getting significant time). The "batting age" in SF has gone up since he left SF (it was over 33 in '06), while both the batting and pitching ages at Chicago were higher last year than in '06.
Oooo, he destroys young arms!!! Fact: Kerry Wood, as a 25 year old, already had pitched 692 innings in the bigs, and had missed an entire season due to injury, before Baker came to Chicago. Mark Prior had one great year, and started having problems. Sure, he probably went too deep in 2 or 3 games at the end of the season, but (a) it was only 2 or 3 games; (b) if Baker hadn't used him, and the Flubs lost, the yelping would be greater; and (c) we now know that Prior's mechanics, rather than being "perfect", are now shown to cause early and serious arm injuries.
Barring something surprising happening, this team will be older at 6 (and probably 7) of 8 positions in '08, and it has nothing to do with Baker. And the bench will be significantly older, too. Hatteberg, Freel, Stanton, and Castro should have all been gone long before Baker was hired, but the Reds committed significant money to them before he got here.
What really makes me laugh is the hand-wringing over Corey Patterson. His story is exactly the opposite of the pre-conceived notions about Baker, so now he's being denigrated for having "veteran presence". Guess what - he's younger than every viable CF option the Reds have right now except for Bruce; he's also the best defensively out of all of them. And given what happened with Patterson, why are you surprised that Baker would want to hedge his bets a bit with Bruce right now?
I just don't understand you people sometimes. Josh Hamilton tears up the league and is traded for a guy who's never shown an ability to get major league batters out, and you hail it as a great trade (while Kyle Lohse, who's still sitting out there unsigned, is likely to be much better this year than Volquez); then, when the team has to scramble for a CF, you wail when we give a minor league deal to the best option out there. And with Jr. always a step away from another DL trip, having another decent OF in the organization is a plus - if he takes Dewayne Wise's job, I won't shed any tears.
by sidnancy on
Mar 4, 2008 11:00 AM EST
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you know exactly why we don't like this trade
As far as Hamilton, I don't think anyone hailed it as a great trade. Most of us were sad to see him go but realized it was a decent time to sell because of his significant injury risk. Plus we had Bruce, but now we don't. We have corey Patterson
by boobs on
Mar 4, 2008 11:21 AM EST
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This is what I'm talking about
That's crap.
First, it's a minor league deal. If they really were putting his name above Bruce's on the roster, they'd guarantee the money. They're not, which shows that they don't know what's going to happen.
Twelve months ago, no one imagined that we'd be having a conversation about Bruce being the starter in CF - he'd had zero ABs above low A ball; even now, he's got fewer than 250 ABs above A, and strikes out too much. He won't turn 21 until just after opening day. There's no reason to think another couple of months in AAA won't help him.
Jay Bruce will be a star in the league for years to come. Giving the powers that be an extra month to decide if his time is now, or in 3 months, isn't the end of the world.
One of the national writers said that if the Reds want to win this year, Bruce should be in CF on opening day. In my mind, they could win the division, but they have about a 0% chance of even making the World Series, let alone winning it, this year. I'd much rather the Reds make sure Bruce is ready for a run of great Reds teams instead of selling their souls for a division championship this year.
by sidnancy on
Mar 4, 2008 11:46 AM EST
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If the Reds were to win the division..
If that's gonna happen (it won't) and the Reds are gonna win 85 games (they won't), I'd like to be able to take our chances against the Mets.
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Mar 4, 2008 12:22 PM EST
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look
by boobs on
Mar 4, 2008 1:19 PM EST
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Let me rephrase
by sidnancy on
Mar 4, 2008 4:05 PM EST
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to add to your Hamilton comment
Personally I would not have traded Hamilton, and let Bruce spend much of this season, except when injury called and September, polishing himself in AAA, (he is only 20 so it isn't likely that his skills will erode from an extra year in the minors) extend Dunn, and have an outfield of Dunn, Hamilton, Bruce in 2009. But I do see the reasoning behind the trade, and I understand why it happened.
by justin0070000 on
Mar 4, 2008 11:46 AM EST
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The problem
Of course, the other problem is who Patterson is blocking. This is a winnable division, and starting Bruce helps us the most. Whether doing so stunts his growth is debatable, but if that's what they were worried about I would've held onto Hamilton.
by ken on
Mar 4, 2008 11:54 AM EST
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c'mon sid
Josh Hamilton tears up the league and is traded for a guy who's never shown an ability to get major league batters out, and you hail it as a great trade
I quickly perused the thread from the day of the trade, and I have a hard time finding anyone who thinks it was a great trade. I think the general theme was "I'm not happy about it, but at least they got back someone with some upside." Plus, as boobs said the upside was supposed to be an open spot for Bruce.
when the team has to scramble for a CF, you wail when we give a minor league deal to the best option out there.
Why did the team have to scramble? How is Patterson that much of an upgrade over the players already in house? Frankly, I trust Freel and Hopper's ability to get on base a lot more than Patterson. And you know with Dusty, whoever is playing from those three is batting lead-off. I'd definitely rather either of the other two in that spot than Patterson.
And if Patterson was the best option available, so what? That doesn't make him a good player. Over the last three seasons, these are the players with the worst OPS+ (min 1200 PAs):
Cnt Player OPS+ PA From To
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1 Adam Everett 65 1397 2005 2007
2 Brad Ausmus 67 1350 2005 2007
3 Yadier Molina 69 1278 2005 2007
4 Nick Punto 70 1499 2005 2007
5 Royce Clayton 71 1291 2005 2007
6 Aaron Miles 72 1267 2005 2007
7 Miguel Olivo 76 1202 2005 2007
8 Corey Patterson 76 1482 2005 2007
9 Craig Counsell 78 1419 2005 2007
10 Jason Kendall 78 1816 2005 2007
There are some bad hitters on that list. Outside of Everett and Molina for their defense, would you want any of them on the Reds?
As for the minor league deal, all that means is that they don't have to guarantee him money yet. It doesn't mean that he won't make a couple million if he makes the team. Obviously, there is no sense in speculating on the amount of money, but my point is that it's only a low-risk deal if they decide not to keep him.
And with Jr. always a step away from another DL trip, having another decent OF in the organization is a plus - if he takes Dewayne Wise's job, I won't shed any tears.
boobs already touched on this one, but I wanted to point out that I find it very unlikely that Patterson will actually spend any time in the minors. I could be wrong, but I expect him to make the team and start in CF and lead-off 3-4 times a week. I don't see it as adding depth to the outfield. I see it as adding a bad player to the lineup, and that's why I don't like it.
by Slyde on
Mar 4, 2008 12:09 PM EST
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Like I said...
by Paul Householder on
Mar 4, 2008 12:59 PM EST
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I don't get it.
No, what it means is he hasn't made the team yet. Again - Baker gets bashed for rushing Patterson, then when the Reds pick Patterson up as insurance against Bruce not being ready, it's a bad thing?
How is Patterson that much of an upgrade over the players already in house?
He's much less of an injury risk than Freel; he's better defensively and a better baserunner than either Freel or Hopper; while he doesn't get on base as much, he's probably no worse overall offensively than Freel. Plus, because of Griffey, the Reds really need an extra outfielder, so even if he's no better than Hopper or Freel, he'd be a good short-term addition to the team.
Over the last three seasons, these are the players with the worst OPS+ (min 1200 PAs):
Nice end points. Over the past 2 seasons, he has a higher OPS+, and stolen more bases at a higher percentage, than Freel. But you can only make your point with that 3rd season.
Baker isn't the perfect manager (who, besides me, is?), but I just think people see all of these ulterior motives when the facts might just speak for themselves: Baker, until a couple of weeks ago, had never seen Bruce (a 20 year old with 250 ABs above low-A) play; just in case he isn't ready, the Reds sign a guy with major league experience to a minor-league deal.
They're guaranteeing money to Jeremy F. Affeldt, and promising him a chance to start, and you're worked up about Corey Patterson getting a spring training invite. I know he isn't the answer out there; I also know what Bruce should become. I just refuse to get too worked up about signing this player to this team at this time - he could prove useful and inexpensive.
by sidnancy on
Mar 4, 2008 1:36 PM EST
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Just to be clear
Plus, because of Griffey, the Reds really need an extra outfielder, so even if he's no better than Hopper or Freel, he'd be a good short-term addition to the team.
I had come to consider Bruce as that extra outfielder. I figured he'd start in Louisville and once someone got injured, he'd be brought in to see how he'd do in a lower pressure situation. If he fails, then hopefully the injured player will be back soon. Now it seems more likely that if Griffey goes down, the outfield will have both Patterson and Fropper in it. That's not good.
Nice end points. Over the past 2 seasons, he has a higher OPS+, and stolen more bases at a higher percentage, than Freel. But you can only make your point with that 3rd season.
To be fair, the previous 3 years is almost always what I look at when discussing a player coming to the team. So, it's not like I picked those three just to make my case stronger. And it's also not like his OPS+ of 87 over the last 2 years suddenly turns him into a good player.
They're guaranteeing money to Jeremy F. Affeldt, and promising him a chance to start, and you're worked up about Corey Patterson getting a spring training invite.
Well, I'm not really "worked up" about it. Just because I don't like the move doesn't mean I'm tying a noose. I'm just tired of the Reds making lateral moves under the guise of providing competition. I was looking forward to a team with a little youthful vigor, but it's feeling more like the last two seasons. (And I'm not just talking about Patterson at this point) I guess I'm just more willing to watch the team fail because of youth than fail because of talent. We've been watching the latter for too long now.
by Slyde on
Mar 4, 2008 2:05 PM EST
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Optimism
Over the past couple of years, I've been quite the naysayer on this site - I hated The Trade; I questioned the Hobbs trade; I predicted either 70 or 72 wins (I forget which) last season. Because, for past 7 years they've made so many bad moves, I've come to expect more of them.
But I don't get the same general feeling now. Some of the right pieces are falling into place - Votto has shown his ability; I think EdE is progressing; Bailey, Cueto and Bruce are thisclose.
I really get the feeling that Votto will start, with Hatteberg used as a PH. I also really get the feeling that Bruce will go to Louisville so he can play every day, and get called up to start if there is an injury. I would much rather have him starting 5X a week in AAA than 2-3X in the bigs, and I get the feeling the Reds feel the same way - alot of what Dusty's said has hinted at that.
I'm not 100% convinced that Bruce is ready, but I am convinced that Fropper starting in CF is bad. Patterson will play good defense; he has a chance to hit well (at least a better chance than Freel); he's awfully cheap insurance against Bruce not being major-league ready April 1.
I'll tell ya, I'm more concerned about Krivsky putting pressure on Baker to use Affeldt/Fogg/Volquez than in Baker's use of the position players. There's no reason to believe (other than the drunken mutterings of Flubs fans) that Baker doesn't know what he's doing - look at his record.
by sidnancy on
Mar 4, 2008 2:37 PM EST
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I was more optimistic a month ago
by Slyde on
Mar 4, 2008 4:20 PM EST
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Hey...
You kind of ignored that point, which was sort of the underpinning of your "this site is too negative/cynical" post to begin with...
by Paul Householder on
Mar 4, 2008 2:26 PM EST
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I stand corrected
But my point wasn't "this site is too negative/cynical"; it was that the Reds gave up their best option in CF for a SP with lots of potential but no real success to back it up, then when they try to do something to cover their losses, everyone wails.
Not signing a ML-ready OF only compounds the Hamilton trade in my opinion.
by sidnancy on
Mar 4, 2008 2:46 PM EST
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Thanks for admitting that.
I think the point here is not so much that Corey Patterson in the abstract is good or bad. In the end, if he is used properly (pinch runner, defensive replacement, etc.), he is probably better than the third catcher. The problem is, given EnDusty's track record with him, it seems fairly likely that he will wind up batting leadoff for a good portion of the season (which is the result of EnDusty's lack of comprehension of OBP). I would love to be wrong about this and have him on the bench being used properly, but I think I'd rather see Freel and Hopper lead off than Corey Patterson.
I think you're right that Hamilton's departure created an offensive hole in CF pending Jay Bruce's arrival. It is just that I would rather have helped plug the hole with a guy like Kenny Lofton (who actually does get on base and therefore create runs) and is less able to be abused by EnDusty than Corey Patterson. Where Corey Patterson and his .300 or so OBP does not belong in the leadoff spot, I can handle having Lofton (who will be perceived by EnDusty as a "speed guy" who should bat leadoff) in the leadoff spot, with his .350-.380 OBP.
Giving Corey Patterson to EnDusty is like giving an end-stage skid-row alcoholic a bottle of denatured alcohol. Yes, you're giving it to him so he can sterilize surgical instruments, but there is a very good chance he is going to abuse it and drink it until he goes blind.
by Paul Householder on
Mar 4, 2008 3:48 PM EST
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Like I just replied above...
It is just that I would rather have helped plug the hole with a guy like Kenny Lofton (who actually does get on base and therefore create runs) and is less able to be abused by EnDusty than Corey Patterson. Where Corey Patterson and his .300 or so OBP does not belong in the leadoff spot, I can handle having Lofton (who will be perceived by EnDusty as a "speed guy" who should bat leadoff) in the leadoff spot, with his .350-.380 OBP.
I think they signed Patterson because they want Bruce to win the job, and didn't want to commit a major league deal to Lofton.
by sidnancy on
Mar 4, 2008 4:07 PM EST
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Oh, and I forgot..Don't give me too much credit
When presented with the blue dress, it's tough to debate what the definition of "is" is.
by sidnancy on
Mar 4, 2008 4:09 PM EST
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aye
by Slyde on
Mar 4, 2008 4:15 PM EST
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Royce Clayton?
by Thundering Turtle on
Mar 4, 2008 4:43 PM EST
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Wow Sid - I don't think very many RRs
by Madville on
Mar 4, 2008 9:38 PM EST
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Agreed--no need to freak out
What will most likely happen is that Patterson and Hopper will platoon in center, with Patterson also serving to spell Griffey from time to time--if memory serves, he gets hurt--a lot.
It isn't a bad move.
by goffchile on
Mar 4, 2008 11:57 AM EST
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As of this moment
But looking at the Reds and Dusty Baker, I just do not trust them to use Corey Patterson responsibly--as a pinch runner/late innings defensive replacement. He really doesn't give the Reds much of anything they need as a pinch hitter either.
If he makes the big club, he'll probably end up starting. If he starts, he'll probably be 1 or 2 in the lineup.
He has to become a completely different offensive player for that to be anything but a negative.
by Man Mountain on
Mar 4, 2008 12:48 PM EST
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So...
by Fat Vegas Alan on
Mar 4, 2008 3:38 PM EST
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as much as I trust Walter Mondale
by justin0070000 on
Mar 4, 2008 4:01 PM EST
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I do
by Man Mountain on
Mar 4, 2008 5:44 PM EST
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Things (I Don't) Remember
by RiverfrontDave on
Mar 4, 2008 4:28 PM EST
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Go Reds!
by jacob brumfield on
Mar 4, 2008 5:29 PM EST
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Can we trade Dusty for a PTBNL?
by crolfer on
Mar 4, 2008 9:28 PM EST
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Putz to be named later...
by Madville on
Mar 4, 2008 9:43 PM EST
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Sounds good to me...
by crolfer on
Mar 4, 2008 9:47 PM EST
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*especially...
by crolfer on
Mar 4, 2008 9:47 PM EST
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