Monday Lineups

by JD Arney on Mar 3, 2008 1:46 PM EST in News Comment 60 comments

Reds vs Twins, lineups from Fay:

Chris Dickerson CF
Norris Hopper DH
Ken Griffey Jr. RF
Adam Dunn LF
Jeff Keppinger 3B
Scott Hatteberg 1B
Javy Valentin C
Juan Castro SS
Andy Phillips 2B

We are mostly out of luck on radio this week, but I'll still try to get a game thread up every day.

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Do you have the gameday?

I can never seem to find it on mlb.com

by The Crushinator on Mar 3, 2008 1:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Right here

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2007/gd.html?2008_03_03_cinmlb_minmlb_1

To get it in the future, just change the date (first thing after the question mark) and the teams (it matters who is home and away).

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 3, 2008 1:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

ok

But what page do i do that on? Scoreboard, the main page, where?

by The Crushinator on Mar 3, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I meant for you to just modify the URL that I posted above. I don't believe that MLB.com makes these gameday links public, probably a "beta test" type thing for any new features they add. They don't want too many people using it if it's not fully functioning.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 3, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of which..

..is the "chat" feature new this year?

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If I don't soon get a response...

..to this question, I swear I'll start chatting in MLB.com's GameDay chat rooms. I swear I will!

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2008 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Will you accept a maybe?

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by Slyde on Mar 3, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

what? just like that?

no protracted, narcissistic countdown capped by a cowardly cyber-suicide?

Two Dunns enter, but only one Dunn leaves...unless neither do because they decide to hunt, play cards, drink and fish. -Slyde

by Man Mountain on Mar 3, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I resent that.

There was no countdown.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought JD had a counter at the top of the page

what am I thinking of?

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by Slyde on Mar 3, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You're thinking..

..of this.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

OH

by Brendanukkah on Mar 3, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So what are you

Some kind of super hacker. Does that make me a hacker? If so Ill probably have to get the appropriate tattoos post haste.

by The Crushinator on Mar 3, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not so fast.

You're kinda like a hacker groupie.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2008 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Who wouldn't be a Hacker groupie?

by Brendanukkah on Mar 3, 2008 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Whatever, Im a rock star

so I don't even care if you hurt my feelings. I don't care. whatever. I seriously don't care. I can be a hacker if I want to.

by The Crushinator on Mar 3, 2008 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

super hacker?

nah. I was just faced with a choice long ago: friends or mastery of the internet? Well, the internet means that I don't ever have to leave my parents' side.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 3, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

By Side he means Basement

[Insert Witty Phrase Here]

by crolfer on Mar 3, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Reds put 2 more on the board

A. Phillips doubles, Hopper singles (and Phillips doesn't score, quel suprise!). Griffey grounds out and Dunn singles.

Reds lead 3-1 in the bottom of the 3rd.

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by Slyde on Mar 3, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Just so everyone's aware

He may be out with a quad, but prior to that Jay Bruce was batting a super-Hamiltonian .500 with hits in every game he'd played. Norris can't drive in the man on the second. Something to think about, Dusty.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 3, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dusty uses his ears

not what's between them (allegedly).

Two Dunns enter, but only one Dunn leaves...unless neither do because they decide to hunt, play cards, drink and fish. -Slyde

by Man Mountain on Mar 3, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Andy Phillips playing 2nd base today?

He plays 2nd base? Really?

"I'm just like everybody else. I have two arms, two legs, and four-thousand hits." - Pete Rose

by BK on Mar 3, 2008 2:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Apparently

Twice in the majors and 214 games in the minors.

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by Slyde on Mar 3, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This warms the cockles of my Dunn-loving heart

From C. Trent: "Strike 1 to Dunn. I was expectinng him to lob it in there and Dunn put in into the pond, instead, he goes the other way, down the 3rd base line where there was a huge hole and Hopper scores easily."

Ahhhh, maturation as a hitter. The Dunn haters of the world can go fornicate themselves.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 3, 2008 2:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Dunn's Spring:

6 at bats
4 hits
0 strikeouts
0 walks

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Holy Christ

Richie Gardiner is a singularity in ugliness. He looks like Adam Dunn with radiation poisoning.

by The Crushinator on Mar 3, 2008 2:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

MLB 2K8

Anybody going to go pick it up today? I am thinking about going and getting it next week when Ill be on spring break and it wont cause me to fail any exams. I thought 2K7 was kind of clumsy and the minor leagues were weak.

by CamIam on Mar 3, 2008 2:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

If you have PS3...

or PS2, buy MLB '08 The Show. It is vastly superior.

suggestions, anyone?

by BobbyO on Mar 3, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

"Harang

...is a number 3 starter, maybe number two on a championship team"

Listening to the Twins broadcast of the game via mlb audio. They seemed to think Bronson is a 3 or 4 starter on a championship team (probably true) and that Harang would be a 3, possibly 2. Have they looked at his numbers? I don't have them in front of me but he bested Jake Peavey in some of those saber-metric-tooth-tiger stat thingys right?

Harang is a number 1! Sure championship teams have more than one ace, but that does not make Harang any less of one!

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Mar 3, 2008 2:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Maybe they've been spoiled by Johan?

It seems as if very few people outside of Cincinnati realize Harang's worth. He's pitched comparably with the best of the NL over the last couple years, and I would back him one on one against anyone else. I harp on it a lot, but I saw him match C.C. Sabathia last year, scoreless inning for scoreless inning. If he's not a #1, it's only because you have an absolute top of the line pitcher on your team.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 3, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Harang

The only playoff team that I think he would clearly be lower than a #2 on last year is Cleveland. A case could be made on the Angels, but he pitched almost 40 innings more than Escobar, so I put Harang as their #2. He'd have been the #1 on Colorado and the Yankees and given that he pitched almost 50 more innings than Hamels, he'd probably be the #1 on Philadelphia. I'd probably put him behind Webb and Beckett (last season, at least), but not be so much that he'd be an afterthought.

But all of that doesn't matter, cause he's ours for the foreseeable future. Yay us!

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 3, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

beat me to it

I need to improve my WPM.

Bruce Bonser? Boone Bonser? Boot Bonser?BOOSE BONZER?

by Lakeman on Mar 3, 2008 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Aces Wild

Ok, so when a team has more than one really amazing pitcher is there still an understanding that one person is number one and the other number two? Or is it just a formality to line up the rotation against your opponents staff?

Or do they all where t-shirts under their uniforms, that say
"thing one" and "thing two," etc., waiting for a rainy day to wreck havoc on the house some poor, unsuspecting kid?

Tanzen!

by Verka Serduchka on Mar 3, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

well

I took their statement to mean that he would be the third best pitcher on the team, not necessarily a "number three" in terms of role. Obviously, he's a top of the rotation quality pitcher, regardless of which day he pitches.

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by Slyde on Mar 3, 2008 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Even with the Indians...

Just because of his experience, I'd pitch Harang #2 in front of Carmona.

[Insert Witty Phrase Here]

by crolfer on Mar 3, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Based on last year's contenders

I'd say that he'd be #1 on the Rockies, over Francis. #2 or 3 on the Red Sox is probably right. Not ahead of Beckett, but ahead of Schilling at this point IMO (a healthy Schilling, ie: 2007). On the Indians I'd have Sabathia and Carmona ahead of him based solely on last years performance. Diamondbacks he'd be number 2 behind Webb. Of course that assumes that the teams keep the #1 they already had. I think many of these teams could remain competitive with Harang replacing their ace. It's kind of a strange hypothetical. I think he could be a number one on the Yankees (ahead of Wang), and they're perennially a Championship contender. It all depends on what surrounds someone. Halladay, for instance, could theorhetically be a number 1 on a Championship team, but as long as the Yanks and Sox are in their division, it's a longshot to happen.

Bruce Bonser? Boone Bonser? Boot Bonser?BOOSE BONZER?

by Lakeman on Mar 3, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So, uh...

Scott Saurbeck is not really making a case to be on the roster, huh? 1 IP, 3 H, 3 ER, 2 BB. His ERA is now 27.00. Reds trail 4-3 in the 6th.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 3, 2008 2:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Whats the difference between the two Drews?

The one of them looks to be going rather nicely. Does anyone have any background on these guys.

by The Crushinator on Mar 3, 2008 2:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Reds lose

Bullpen chokes it away. Ramirez gives up 2 in the 9th and McBeth gives up 2 in the 10th, both on home runs. And like a monthly herpes outbreak, everything feels familiar.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 3, 2008 4:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

We've got herpes but we've got warmed cockles.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2008 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You're a lovely person

now, you're a lovely person with herpes.

Two Dunns enter, but only one Dunn leaves...unless neither do because they decide to hunt, play cards, drink and fish. -Slyde

by Man Mountain on Mar 3, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I was looking at some stats..

..and yo, Chris Dickerson strikes out a lot.

With no disrespect to Chris, what exactly is the purpose of the Chris Dickerson Experiment? Does he fit into the Reds' future plans? If so, where? Is he experienced? Has he ever been experienced?

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2008 4:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Dickerson

He's related to Eric Dickerson.

That's all I got.

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by Slyde on Mar 3, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I offer that he's an older Drew Stubbs

with Stubbs probably projecting to have a brighter future.

Oh, and Dickerson's the fastest guy in camp. Best case scenario: Late inning defensive replacement.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 3, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You're right

I don't think there is a compelling case to be made at this point for Dickerson to make the team out of camp outside of an injury or 3. He is superfast, and he's got tools. But he should be about 8th or 9th on the outfield depth chart at this point

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 3, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

Just looked at PECOTA and BP projects Dickerson to be 3.1 wins over replacement player. Freel is at 2.4 WARP and Hopper is 1.7 WARP. Maybe Dickerson isn't so bad after all?

Of course, Bruce projects to 4.6 WARP. So, uh, please start him.

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by Slyde on Mar 3, 2008 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dusty hearts Dickerson

Didn't you read Fay's blog today?

On the healthy outfielder front, Baker raved about the improvement Chris Dickerson has made.
"He's improved his bat a lot," Baker said. "He's a guy they don't mention much but he's a ball of ability. He has one of the best arms in camp. He's one of the best runners, a good outfielder.
"He's make some adjustments and improvements. I've seen more improvement out of him than anyone in camp - from what I saw in the beginning to now. He's really paying attention. He's doing some studying. That's what you like to see. His ceiling may be higher than anybody here. When you see the speed, the arm, he could be a five-tool guy. He's got the tools."

Others may swoon over the likes of Jay Bruce. Dusty only has eyes for Chris Dickerson.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 3, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think you mean

Dusty has ears for him.

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by Slyde on Mar 3, 2008 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

By my count...

..he's 10-for-16 in not-striking-out so far this Spring.

It might be time for Dusty to put on hold his great Search For This Year's Fifth Outfielder.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Fifth outfielder?

I beg your pardon, but a five-tool player whose ceiling is "higher than anybody here" - that would include #1 prospect Jay Bruce - is not gonna be a fifth outfielder.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 3, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

is that

a real " " again???

by eddroush on Mar 3, 2008 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

im sorry

i just scrolled up it is... "holy cow"

by eddroush on Mar 3, 2008 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dickerson... ball of ability...

...

I got nothin'.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 3, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And he's really paying attention.

So, he's a ball of ability with tools and a high ceiling.

I wonder what Bill Simmons thinks of Chris Dickerson.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2008 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Chris Dickerson is Corey Patterson: Reds Style

I suppose that's better than the alternative, which is just Corey Patterson.

by Geki on Mar 3, 2008 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

...Uh.

That was true for about five minutes. Shit.

by Geki on Mar 3, 2008 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I feel as if..

..I must take partial responsibility for the Patterson signing.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 3, 2008 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude... You totally jinxed us...

[Insert Witty Phrase Here]

by crolfer on Mar 3, 2008 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

he and I happen to share a name

so I am pulling for him. I pull for anyone with "dick" in his name, it is brutal in elemantary and middle school.

I like him more than Freel at this point. Dickerson is faster, has more power, and I bet if could put up a better OPS than Freel, despite his penchant for striking out. My outfield depth chart for 2008 would by Griffey, Dunn, Bruce, Dickerson, Hopper. I would try to trade, fail at that and DFA Freel, and amidt that signing a injury prone, max effort/minimal talent, super sub to a multi million/multi year dear. The Reds still owe him $7M.

I just saw on rotoworld that Cincinnati signed Patterson, I would like to go on record: "FUCK!".

The Dusty path to the World Series! (This is not an endorsement.)

by justin0070000 on Mar 3, 2008 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs