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Welcome to the new Red Reporter and SB Nation

Good morning Red Reporter users! This change has been a long time in the works, and I'm pretty excited to see it go live. Change can be tough sometimes, especially when you are as settled in to a format as most of us were with the old Red Reporter, but I think you guys are really going to enjoy this.

Definitely leave questions and concerns in the comment thread below, we're lucky enough to have tech guys checking in all day today to answer our questions.

I hope you guys like, and, as always, thanks for reading.

JD

Hey Red Reporter,

Today is the big day. We've switched your community over to the new SB Nation sports blog platform. My name is Trei, and I'm here to help you get adjusted to the new home we've built for you. If you have questions or trouble with the new system, post a comment in this thread and myself or one of the team (lovitt, sixfoot6 or odacrem) will try to point you in the right direction.

Before we begin, I want to let you know that Red Reporter is one of the first blogs in the SB Nation family to make this transition. We still consider this a beta platform, so don't be surprised if you find a few bugs or if everything isn't exactly right yet. We hope you'll take the time to report any problems you encounter at bugreport@sbnation.com.

Please take a few minutes to read about what's new below. But if you just can't wait to jump in, here are some quick things to check out:

 

Star-divide

  1. Sign up for your SB Nation network account and claim your old blog accounts
  2. Once you're logged in, press your  Z  key in any thread with new comments
  3. Explore your dashboard and setup your profile
  4. Read the guide to the new FanPost editor
  5. Install the FanShot bookmarklet and post videos to Red Reporter from YouTube or images from Flickr
  6. Click the "Rec" button on posts and comments to help other people find the good stuff.

What Has Changed

SB Nation Network Accounts - the Big Change

Readers across all of our blogs told us they wanted one account to use on every SB Nation blog. To make this work, we're requiring that everyone create a new SB Nation network account. In most cases you should be able to keep your old username, but a few of you may have to choose something new, since every other community in SB Nation will be going through this same transition. We tried to be as fair as possible in deciding who gets to keep which name, using a formula that takes into account length of membership and frequency of activity.

We want to make it as easy as possible for you to participate on all of our blogs, but we don't want to encourage everyone to start visiting rival team blogs and initiating flame wars. To maintain friendly communities we ask that you explicitly join each blog in order to participate. It's a two-click process, but it does means accepting each blog's community guidelines. Just as you join each blog individually, you can be banned on each blog individually.

You can claim old accounts from multiple SB Nation blogs, and your new username will be retroactively attached to all your old comments and diaries. So now you'll be able to access all your writings from your single profile page... like magic.

To get started, click here to claim your old blog accounts and create a new SB Nation network account.

FanPosts (the Section Formerly Known as Diaries)

We changed their name. Why? Because we took this major upgrade as an opportunity to leave behind some vocabulary that never made much sense for a sports blog. SB Nation is the network of, by and for fans, and these are the blog posts we make. So we call them FanPosts. When you're at a bar telling someone to check out your online sports opinions, you don't have to suggest they read your diary.

FanPosts are displayed differently on the homepage - we include your avatar to give more credit for the time you spend writing great posts. The new post editor has a WYSIWYG view that provides easy formatting. It also auto-saves drafts so you don't have to worry about losing your work when you compose a post within the web browser. And you can now associate teams, players and games with your posts: these tools promote your FanPosts on our new team, player and game pages - across the entire network.

The new system does not work like the old diary editor. For example, in HTML mode the new editor doesn't auto-create a new paragraph from two line breaks. But it does offer a whole array of new features. Look for the blinking help button on the right side of the FanPost editor for quick tips, and take a look at our full guide to writing FanPosts on the new platform.

IMPORTANT - if you write your posts in Microsoft Word or some other off-line editor, you will get the most reliable behavior if you cut & paste your post into the HTML view of the FanPost editor. And if you do that, remember to wrap <p></p> tags around each paragraph so your text doesn't run together.

Visual Redesign

This one is probably the most obvious change of all. Like other major websites working to improve readability for their audience, we've adopted a fixed-width layout optimized for the 1024 x 768 resolution used by the majority of Red Reporter and SB Nation network users. Use the switcher below the user menu if you prefer the wider layout designed for 1280 monitors. We've introduced a top navigation bar with quick links into old and new sections of the site. We also polished a few edges, made some things larger, others smaller and moved a few boxes here and there. More changes and adjustments to come.

Search

We've completely replaced the old search engine with a new one. We're excited to make it easier to find old posts and comments, but we've only taken our first pass on the tools we're offering. We're focused on making search even better than what you had before, so please know that we're aware search is missing key features and we're working on it.

What's New

Schedule, Scores, Stats and Roster

Red Reporter now has all the basic information about the Cincinnati Reds and hundreds of other teams. During games you'll see a regularly updated line score, and as the season progresses we'll track team stat totals and leaders. This is just our first step, so look for us to publish more detailed and archival stats in the future. The best part about all this sports data is that we've integrated it directly into the blog so. We now have special pages that aggregate all blog posts written about games, players and teams.

Recommending FanPosts

Some writing deserves more attention and more conversation. If you want to bump a FanPost up to the top and keep it there for awhile, just click the 'Rec' link under the body of the post. When a FanPost receives enough recommendations it will make the recommended list.

Auto-refreshing Comments

You no longer need to refresh the page to see new comments. If you're logged in, new comments will automatically appear on the page every few seconds. When you post a comment, the page will not refresh either. If you want to quickly cycle through all the new comments, you can press the C key on your keyboard. Unmark a new comment after you've read it with the X key. And use the Z key if you want to umark comments as you're cycling through them.

As you use these shortcuts to cycle through comments, press the R key to reply to the current comment. All these helpful keyboard shortcuts are listed at the top of each comments section for reference.

Recommending Comments

Now you can reward those folks who take the time to look up stats and make smart arguments in the comments. Next to each comment there is an 'actions' link that you can click to find the recommend and flag options.

Flagging Comments

To help the moderators on a site, we've built-in tools that let you flag comments that are spam, trolling or just plain inappropriate. Only moderators can see those flags.

FanShots

Many members of the community just want to post that one link, video, photo or quote, but don't need a full FanPost. We've got you covered: FanShots let you share YouTube videos, Flickr or PhotoBucket photos, quotes from articles, portions of chat transcripts, top 5 lists and simple links. If it's a video or image we'll put a thumbnail on the homepage when you post it.

For those of you who are experienced internet hunter-gatherers of Cincinnati Reds material, install the bookmarklet onto the links bar of your browser and share FanShots with the community from wherever on the web you find that killer quote or photo.

Archives

It's much easier to find that post about a certain deadline trade or prospect retro feature. You can browse by year and month.

Avatars

Upload an image so folks can see your custom avatar on your profile, your FanPosts, and all your comments.

Network Profiles

Now that we have unified SB Nation network accounts, your profile will be your central hub for all of your activity on any blogs where you are a member.

Network bar

The top bar stays with you on all SB Nation blogs. It's a quick way to login and logout. When you're logged in, you'll see your avatar and screen name which links to your profile. The icon to the right leads to your Dashboard area where you can edit your settings, profile, account details and any FanPosts or FanShots you've published. As we add more blogs to the new SB Nation network, the My Blogs menu will be a handy way to navigate between the blogs you've joined.

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There are plenty more small changes and additions we've made, so please take a careful look around and explore this new system. We appreciate your patience and hope you'll help us improve the new platform for this and all the other SB Nation blogs.

And in case you missed it, you'll want to start by claiming your old blog accounts and creating a new SB Nation network account.

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My eyes hurt.

Why do people hate simplicity so much?

by Geki on Mar 27, 2008 1:05 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

give it a little time

We're finding it takes people a little time to get used to the look and functionality of things.

And we don't hate simplicity - many of the features and much of the tech we've introduced is designed to make things simpler. ;-) If you have specific suggestions about anything that you feel is overly complex, we'd love to hear it.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 27, 2008 1:15 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It just looks too cluttered to me.

There's an overabundance of things going on on the screen and the placement of things seems rather...disproportionate.

Also, the name FanPosts is bloody stupid.

Don't get me wrong, there are things I like -- The connection of accounts across SBN is lovely, and the FanShots idea is nice (even if that name is also stupid). The auto-refresh is nice as well. But I just don't see why nice, additional features need to come with a significantly less navigable eyesore. I feel the focus of a blog should be on the content, and the new format seems to focus on itself instead.

And seriously, FanPosts is just an awful name.

by Geki on Mar 27, 2008 2:02 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is a wide screen version

In case you haven't seen it. On the main page, it is up in the left hand corner of the menus. On this page it's on the top, right hand side. It helps the clutter a little, though it doesn't fix everything.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 27, 2008 8:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like it

obviously the one before was much more familiar but I'm sure ill come to enjoy this just as much

by kcox17 on Mar 27, 2008 1:42 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like it also

and I hate change. It will just take some getting used to

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Mar 27, 2008 10:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think its fucking great

ive been wanting us to switch to this for a while, and im glad we did. we look new! i pretty much disagree with everything geki said.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Mar 27, 2008 3:23 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

im not kidding

i really like it. i keep coming back and looking around for new features and stuff just because i like the look of it.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Mar 27, 2008 4:30 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

another cool

(though slightly insignificant) change is that you can see how many comments you've made on your homepage. This is my 6,996th at RR.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Mar 27, 2008 4:33 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

post totals

where did you find that number. I'm curious as to how many I have

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Mar 27, 2008 11:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

on your SB Nation user page

Just click your user name.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 27, 2008 11:28 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cool thanks

11361 prior to this one. I have to say I really like the new look. It is just going to take some playing around with to get used to the new features.

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Mar 27, 2008 11:32 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and btw

is my avatar too much?

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Mar 27, 2008 4:33 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm thinking it is just fine

I need to create one as well.

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Mar 27, 2008 10:49 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two much.

Try for three. FVA?

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Mar 27, 2008 12:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm....

It appears "center" tags don't work in the new format. Or didn't translate.

And my photos are all run together, even though they are wrapped in paragraph tags.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 27, 2008 6:26 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fore example?

BubbaFan, can you show an example story where your photos are running together?

it's me, JP

by JP on Mar 27, 2008 11:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

test drive

I'm not sure if the simple formatting capabilities will be a good thing. Will we be seeing a lot of this?
If Dunn would strikeout LESS he would be a better OVERALL player!!!1!!eleven!!
Oh well. Ever since Steve Guttenberg invented the printing press the peons have had the power of communication. Let me try a blockquote.

"It seems like we've been dealing with a lot of trouble in the world ever since this on base percentage stuff came about."

Hmmm... pink.

by Red Menace on Mar 27, 2008 6:46 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes. Yes. Mos def.

"Road gray" instead of pink.

All in favor.. "UP" BubbaFan's post. (C'mon it'll be democratic and fun. Kinda like voting Obama.)

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 27, 2008 9:36 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you mean recommend, instead of up

Up takes you to the "Parent" comment. Recommend is under "actions"

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 27, 2008 9:38 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, don't "UP" it.

But recommend it.

(Click "actions" and then click "Rec.")

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 27, 2008 9:39 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait... how did you get a green box?

I want to pick my color too!

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Mar 27, 2008 10:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's because she's Irish

Actually, I think it's because she has 5 recs.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 27, 2008 11:00 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

BubbaFan is Irish?

That explains why she's always drunk.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 27, 2008 3:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

impressive!

RR is something like the 18th SB Nation blog to be migrated, and I believe this is the first time we've seen a comment cross the Rec threshold. And y'all did it yourselves, because of something you believed in. I feel proud!

Give me some time and I'll figure out how to change the blockquote / posting color to a shade of gray. Currently our color scheme system creates this tint as a lighter shade of another value... so I'll need to fiddle around to sort it out, since there's not currently any black or gray anywhere.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 27, 2008 11:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Search

Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but it seems like the search function only returns front page posts, not fandiaryposts. Sounds like it's in an early stage, but the ability to filter by author or time period would be nifty.

It's kind of a losing effort since Google will always be the best way to search the site.

by Red Menace on Mar 27, 2008 7:04 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Search

I'm sure the tech guys will chime in on this one, but I'm pretty sure search improvement is on their list of immediate things to do, so that should improve.

We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. --Oscar Wilde

by JD Arney on Mar 27, 2008 7:13 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right

I only want to read diaries by Northwestern educated posters!

The season doesn't start until the Cincinnati Reds take the field! Reclaim The Opener!!

by TheC on Mar 27, 2008 10:59 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've discovered that you need to search while in the "Fanposts" section

I agree that it'd be nice to have the ability to search all areas at once.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 27, 2008 11:02 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Search needs improvement for suree

and as JD said, it's highest on our list of priorities. Once we complete this round of site rollouts we'll be testing and implementing some substantial changes to the way search works and the way results are presented. Thanks for your patience.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 27, 2008 11:08 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ooh!

Here's a little something I really like. Your signature stays on a post even if you change it later. So when looking through the archives you can see where Slyde had the threat level for example.

This is gonna encourage me to add a sig. It bothered me to see current references on old posts.

by Red Menace on Mar 27, 2008 7:20 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like

Seems all good to me

Find me on MySpace- http://www.myspace.com/mixfmkyle

by MixFMKyle on Mar 27, 2008 8:15 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Snappy

I like love the "C" function to find new comments. And the new html buttons or whatever you call those things next to "message."

I'm just disappointed that "Ken" was already taken. I was all set to capitalize!

by ken on Mar 27, 2008 8:29 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ken, do you use the X key?

I use the Z key most of the time, but Trei swears by C and X in tandem.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 27, 2008 11:22 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now that I've looked around

Some things that I know will affect a lot of the past posts/comments on the site:

* Can we get the code tag formatting back? I've used that A LOT to post tabular data and I know others frequently use it too. This is a big one for me.

* I'm not a big fan of the blockquote box and I've noticed some places where we have pictures that are now overlapping the boxes on posts. I'm not a CSS whiz, so I don't know if it's possible, but is there a way to get the box to wrap to images much like the text does?

* To help the cluttered feel a bit, you could probably just remove the avatars from the fanposts section and give that space back to the main middle section of the blog. My least favorite thing about the new design is that it kinda feels like the blog posts are just crammed into all of the other stuff rather than the other stuff being built around the main blog. I know the other stuff is what makes the money, but from a user experience it detracts from the site a bit.

* I love all of the new functionality. I'm a big fan of the highlighted new comments and the keyboard navigation within the posts. I love common user id for all of the SBN sites - it will make me more likely to visit the other sites and comment since it is so easy to join a new site. I am concerned about people flaming each other on rival sites, but hopefully that won't be a problem.

In general, I like it. It will take some getting used to, but the old design was definitely getting stale.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 27, 2008 9:00 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I just noticed

that you can turn off avatars in the Settings area, but I kind of like them in the comments, just not on the side menu. It's picky, I know, but maybe you can have the option to have it one place, the other, both, or neither? Just a suggestion.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 27, 2008 9:02 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

code tag

Yeah, the code thing worries me. I've seen past displays of glorious statitude reduced to gibberish.

by Red Menace on Mar 27, 2008 9:13 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks for the feedback

Appreciate your taking the time. I'll address each of your points:

* I'd strongly encourage you wrap tabular data in [pre] tags rather than the [code] tags moving forward, as [code] is one of those old legacy tags, like [center], some browsers won't pay attention to as time goes on. I'll also log a bug to style [code] tags so that they behave like they used to in legacy posts.

* The blockquote float thing has beena bit frustrating. We'll be continuing to clean up entry formatting and I'll try to address this.

* I like the idea of a separate dropdown for comment avatars vs widget avatars - I'll mention this to the team.

* We're hoping everyone feels the same way about comments and about the common experience across blogs. We've tried to build tools that encourage discussion without diluting the sense of true community, which is the binding force on a site like this. The big thing to remember is that the existing members of your community have real power - you can flag comments and posts by trolls at any time to bring them to the attention of the RR bloggers. You can set up polls and recommend posts with good ideas to bring them network-wide attention so that problems get solved. We also have a mechanism in place where the bloggers can set a "probation" period, so folks need to wait a certain amount of time before they can comment.

Anyway, thanks for your input and for your patience while we try to balance bug fixes, feature requests and new blog rollouts ;)

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 27, 2008 11:43 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's the second thing I'd change..

Each "front paged" FanPost's "comment count" should be positioned immediately under the title of the FanPost and the author's name.

I'm not saying that the "comment count" shouldn't also be positioned where it currently is (at the end of each FanPost), just that once a reader has read a lengthy FanPost and then later in the day returns to the site, the reader then typically wants to see if any new comments have been added to the FanPost. And it would be handy if the reader could see that information without having to scroll to the bottom of the FanPost.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 27, 2008 9:59 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

You're the first user to suggest this

but we've discussed this idea internally, and I tend to agree. We're taking a second look at entry layout, so expect to see this addressed.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 27, 2008 11:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To help us out today

Could one of you guys split this post up with a "Click here to continue reading" like they've done on the Good Phight? It's an awfully long post to have to scroll all the way to the bottom.

And yes, I'm a lazy, impatient American. Deal with it.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 27, 2008 11:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll leave that up to JD

Who can make that change if it seems like the best thing for the community..

For now, I just check the Recent FanPost widget on the side for new comments as I'm clicking around elsewhere.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 27, 2008 12:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh

just what I need, more new shit to figgur out.

I'm thirsty.

by Pops Daniels on Mar 27, 2008 10:28 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it just because I use Firefox...

or is there a reason for the ~2 inches of total blank space right below the site title at the top of the screen and the ~4 inches right below the search box?

Another thing I'm not a fan of is not having an immediate button to "submit", and instead having to go through a preview screen. I'm sure Justin agrees with me.

by Geki on Mar 27, 2008 10:43 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's just Firefox

I'm pretty sure those are ads that are being blocked by adblock.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 27, 2008 10:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, that must be AdBlock

Though you're the first to mention it.

I use preview to scan my comment for errors, and frequently I find some to fix. Note that you can use the TAB and ENTER keys to Preview and Post without ever touching the mouse. Combined with Z/C/X to navigate and R to reply, it's easy to get around.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 27, 2008 11:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

While I'm aware of the function of the preview button,

I find it to be unnecessary. Those that most need the preview button to review their posts are also the ones who are going to skip right through it, and meanwhile the people who are actually capable of typing what they want on the first try, which generally seems to encompass all but about three people on this site, get to wait longer and click unnecessary amounts of buttons to post what they want. I'm not saying to eliminate the preview feature, but there's really no reason not to have both a submit and a preview function as there was in the past.

by Geki on Mar 27, 2008 1:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the preview button

...is something that's been brought up on almost all of the blogs that have migrated to the new platform. the development team is listening to these requests. but there are also folks who appreciate the mandatory preview...

I've gotten in the habit of posting comments quickly by hitting Tab / Return / Return. It's a quick way to cycle through the unnecessary mouse clicks, and if I need to look things over I have a moment between the two Returns before my comment goes up.

it's me, JP

by JP on Mar 28, 2008 3:54 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

an actual answer

Geki, we hear you, and we've heard a number of other people who have requested that the preview button be removed or be made optional. People who make this request are passionate about it, but for every users that complains there seem to be at least 50 users who don't mind (or who appreciate the preview).

We're definitely considering making Preview optional, or implementing some creative Edit Comment functionality. But it's relatively low on our list compared to other priorities (speeding up load times, improving search, better documentation, launching 110 other blogs). But we'll address the issue again at some point in the future if it continues to be a problem.

And I'm sorry that it took a full day for me to respond to your request - we'll be checking back here from time to time, but not as frequently as we did during the first day after launch. The new SB Nation just keeps growing ;)

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 28, 2008 11:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's just the thing.

A preview option and a submit option aren't mutually exclusive. The people who don't mind or appreciate the preview, to put it simply, don't fucking matter. It won't affect them in any way, as they'll still be able to use the preview feature if they happen to like it. Meanwhile, the (apparently copious) people who find it to be a stupid, arbitrary "feature" are punished. Maybe this is different on other blogs, but on RR, we've really never had any trouble with people making unintelligible posts -- and, as I stated earlier, the people who make unintelligible posts are the ones who are least likely of all to use a preview feature.

And seriously, I get that you can use keyboard combinations to post quicker than mouse clicks. You know what's faster and way easier than that? Not having to preview at all. I like a lot of the other features you guys have added and my initial reaction was a bit harsher than it should have been, but now I'm just getting irritated. You removed something that was a very convenient feature (and still haven't explained why) and replaced it with something that is obnoxious, unnecessary, and arbitrary.

First and foremost, I (and just about everyone else) come to Red Reporter so I can talk about baseball. Hindering the ability to actually do that shouldn't have happened to begin with, and now that you're essentially refusing to fix it, at least in anything resembling a timely manner. I don't want a submit button in six months, I want a submit button by opening day so our game threads aren't forced to suffer from stupidity. Adding an improved search function and launching other blogs is something that should happen, but maybe you should fix the biggest problem you've got before going about that. As you said, people at every blog have complained about the lack of an ability to submit. Surely that tips you off about something, and as I said, what the objectors say in this case doesn't really matter because it doesn't have any affect at all on them. I don't go and ask my neighbor what I should have for dinner, and you shouldn't ask people who have nothing to do with a debate what they think about it and then use their decision to justify what appears to me as little more than Krivskyitis, otherwise known as the inability to admit that you're wrong.

Give back the submit button you took away for absolutely no reason or incur a barrage of insults and dissatisfaction with your very incomplete work. One might question why you would even bother launching this with so many things incomplete, but I'm going to let that slide for now and just tell you to GIVE ME A SUBMIT BUTTON. PREVIEW SUCKS BALLS.

by Geki on Mar 28, 2008 1:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

You're making a great case here.

Hey, I'm sorry that my earlier response added to your frustration. As I said above, we're paying attention to the most common feedback. This one is up there.

As Trei said in this introduction, the SB nation 2.0 platform is still in beta. We had a month-long blogger-only beta test that brought a lot of problems to light. But there's really no other way to find bugs and hangups and ideas for better features than to let thousands of sports fans hammer on the application. That's where we're at now - and all we want to do is make it easy for y'all to talk about baseball. If enough people agree that Preview is inhibiting that, we'll remove it. Originally mandatory Preview was something that many bloggers requested, as a way to address a common complain that there's no way to edit comments. If enough people agree that it sucks, we'll change it.

The first blog on the new platform launched about 6 weeks ago. If you'll indulge me for a moment, here's a list of the most common "your biggest problem" complaints since then.

1. Comments are too busy looking, and confusing.
2. Signup is confusing. I want my username!
3. The site is too narrow. What's with this wasted space?
4. Avatars suck! Get rid of avatars.
5. The pages could load more quickly.
6. Search and search results aren't thorough enough.

We addressed number 1 three days after launching the first blog, redesigning comments completely. Three weeks ago we deployed an entirely new sign up / claim interface, which hopefully you had a good experience with. On Tuesday of this week we added a layout width switcher, made avatars an optional User Setting, and implemented a round of changes to speed up performance. We're still working to make things faster.

What I'm hoping to explain to you (in my long-winded way) is that we've been focused on addressing the most frequent feedback, and that we've managed to address most of it pretty quickly. Your submit button is on the list, I promise.

Thanks for your patience with all of this. We are not the Borg.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 28, 2008 2:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just want to agree with Geki

I don't feel as strongly as he does, but it is rather annoying. In game threads many comments are as simple as "Home run!" Why force a preview on that?

It doesn't seem like a fix to the complaint about editable comments. People always could preview comments. Given time I think I'll be as pissed off as Geki.

by Red Menace on Mar 28, 2008 6:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We were wrong.

And you were right. Prepare yourself for a non-preview post button, which we'll put in place in the next few days. We've decided that the original argument for mandatory preview doesn't hold.

Reds win! We have been assimilated.
Thanks for pushing on this.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 28, 2008 7:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Medals all around!

First road gray block quotes, now no preview button. Gaze upon Red Reporter, all ye SB Nation blogs, and tremble!

by Brendanukkah on Mar 28, 2008 7:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am Red Reporter and so can you!

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 28, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We are change!

Thanks! This is the first time that Geki's aggressive in-you-face-ism (facism?) has successfully changed minds.

by Red Menace on Mar 28, 2008 7:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes....we...can!

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 28, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm proud that RR

can uphold its reputation of complaining about everything...

...which is what sucks about all of you

Plus ca change...

by Man Mountain on Mar 28, 2008 9:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I knew are whining would come in handy at some point

Lord knows the Reds haven't been listening to it.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 28, 2008 9:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno, man.

Think about where we are compared to ten months ago.

* Jerry's gone.
* Stanton's gone.
* Milton's gone.
* Dunn not traded.
* Dunn brought back.
* Lohse not brought back.
* Top free agent closer signed.
* Two talented youngsters inserted in the rotation.
* Bailey standing by ready to join them when his performance merits a promotion.
* Pick up truck on giant pedestal next to the pretend river boat and the pretend smoke stacks.
* BIg name cult-of-personality manager on the top step of the dugout.

Okay, we didn't ask for Dusty and the truck. And okay, we did ask for several other things that we haven't yet seen any sign of.

(But hey, Geki got his insta-post!)

I'm feeling pretty fortunate and I can't stop nervously smiling and doing a tiny little happy dance from time to time. Kinda like I'm hepped up on goofballs.

Dammit, I love the 2008 Cincinnati Reds!

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 28, 2008 10:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

see

If you used the preview button properly, you would have used "our" instead of "are."

Come on!

by Brian B on Mar 29, 2008 3:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ZING!

Hey-ooo!

I'm one of four guys who built SB Nation 2.0. We are like the Borg, but friendly.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 29, 2008 3:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey now.

I've been pushing for Stanton to be cut for months! Don't you dare try shorting me out of credit on that one, bub.

by Geki on Mar 28, 2008 9:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks much.

I'm somewhat surprised that my psychotic rantings worked out, but I am grateful for the change. And it's nice to see that you guys actually do respond to complaints, and in a reasonable and timely fashion.

by Geki on Mar 28, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as of this morning....no more forced previews

I'm one of the guys that built the new SB Nation

by clockwerks on Mar 31, 2008 1:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We saw

And are appreciative! Thanks for making that change!

by Brendanukkah on Mar 31, 2008 1:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Mar 28, 2008 11:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not THAT Jose Capellan

but they picked him up on March 12th.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 27, 2008 11:24 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This feels... strange

I'm on record as fearing change, and I agree with a lot of Geki's sentiments. But perhaps Red Reporter is just getting older, and I'm beginning to notice changes. I'm feeling new things, beginning to notice girls (BubbaFan, Daedalus, Ash, pw, ladies...), and getting FanPosts where there never used to be any FanPosts.

But because I'm addicted to this site, I can't stop coming and posting.

I guess my feelings can best be described by that modern sage, Garth Algar. "Well, it's like a new pair of underpants. At first it's constrictive, but eventually, it becomes a part of you."

by Brendanukkah on Mar 27, 2008 11:53 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I'm down..

Yeah, I think I liked the simplicity of the old site better, but new toys are fun to. Running 5 sites myself, sometimes it is difficult juggling the old and the new. One hasn't been changed in five years and another I just put together the second theme for in the past year.

-My first new SBNation Signature. It'll be around for eternity.

by snohio on Mar 27, 2008 12:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

flagging

We need to some sort of built-in widget to specifically flag posts as racist. Lot of whiteys in Cincinnati will never learn...

by Red Menace on Mar 27, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you need flags? we've got flags.

Click the flag button below a post (or actions --> flag below a comment) to flag stuff. You can include a note about racism or anything else in the flag modal screen.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 27, 2008 3:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes. Yes. Mos def.

I thought for sure this feature was available but hidden away somewhere. But if boobs hasn't found it then I am prolly not going to spend time looking for it.

I hereby "recommend" boobs's suggestion.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 27, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we left this feature behind

as it was built-in Scoop functionality that very few people made use of. You're the first to mention it, but if there's high demand we'll may bring this back in the future.

Thanks everyone for all the great feedback.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 27, 2008 4:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I might have missed this

But what code should I use? I prefer regular shmegular HTML coding, but that's just me. And yes I understand I could just test it, but I'm lazy.

by jch24 on Mar 27, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

note exactly sure what you mean

There's limited HTML support in comments. For FanPosts, click the "Help" button to learn more about the best practices, XHTML standards, and built in styles we're encouraging people to use. Does that help?

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 27, 2008 3:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

meh

I mostly just use text formatting tags, img tags, and href tags. I'm a big boy though, I'll figure it out.

by jch24 on Mar 27, 2008 4:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

all that stuff

should work the same as it always has.

Note that both in the FanPost and comment editors you'll find buttons that help with each of the things you mentioned.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 27, 2008 5:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yay!

good to hear.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 27, 2008 5:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I actually like this suggestion.

See? Shortstop is contributing already.

by Geki on Mar 27, 2008 5:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I'm actually recommending a shortstop comment.

Never thought I'd see the day...

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Mar 27, 2008 5:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First!

Haha! Thank God I got here before chandrathan!

You can't fool me. There ain't no sanity clause!

by sukr on Mar 27, 2008 5:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   2 recs

I can't 'rec' my own comment?!?

This blows.

jk.

You can't fool me. There ain't no sanity clause!

by sukr on Mar 27, 2008 5:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Good man

Kemo. Sabe.

You can't fool me. There ain't no sanity clause!

by sukr on Mar 27, 2008 11:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you the sukr we all know and love?

Or are you some other sukr from some other SB Nation website?

At least it wasn't Grady Little.

by Paul Householder on Mar 27, 2008 6:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well,

I don't think all love me, but yes it's me. :))

I hadn't been posting over the winter much because the dumpy old site was just too 'yesterday' for me. I've been waiting for it to get a facelift so I could bear to look at it again. :))

I started reading all the new functions and gave up after the third one. I'll never remember all that. I have become my Dad. But instead of a blinking clock on the VCR, it's the new RR. "Godammit! Where's that Damn manual again!"

You can't fool me. There ain't no sanity clause!

by sukr on Mar 27, 2008 11:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you do have the best avatar

avatar? I think that's the first time I've ever used that word. Did I do it right?

by Brian B on Mar 28, 2008 2:01 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

snicker

I think so, but then, I can't remember ever using it myself. Right now Slyde is writing a special algorithm to read everything I've written on these internets and verify that statement.. :)

I can't quite make yours out. It appears to be a young boy holding a hippidy-hop or something. Maybe if I look closer. Oh you can click them? Well I'll just click it here and... Oh My God!

by sukr on Mar 28, 2008 9:14 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pic

yeah, I was wandering wandering between bars one night and passed a maternity boutique with said mom and nursing infant mannequins in the window. Scary that they make those things.

So I snapped a photo.

by Brian B on Mar 28, 2008 4:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Help!

I feel like I'm at ctrent's blog except with an overload of features. JD, can't we just go back to Reds Daily?

When we have a 300 post game thread, how are we supposed to find the 'new' posts if they're popping up all over the place faster than we can read them? It's going to be hell on those of us with certain portable Internet devices who can't use the shortcut tools (ie. locating new posts with a touch of a button.)

And why do I have to click twice to post my comments now? Is that a 'feature' that I have to turn off?

i'm really disappointed that I can't have the newest post at the top as well. This is going to be frustrating.

Okay, let's preview and see how I did . . .

Ok looks good. Now let's post. Oh, wait I need to preview again . . .

by Brian B on Mar 27, 2008 6:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

go up and rec my comment about the new comments being at the top

if we pass the rec threshold they might give that back to us

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Mar 27, 2008 6:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ehh.

I'm with the "I'll get used to it" camp, I guess.

"Screw it. We've got bigger problems than a butter shortage."

by Ash on Mar 27, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually...

I know someone mentioned something about having to hit post twice - agreed, that's annoying. can we get a ctrl + enter function (or something similar) to post? I'd rather use keystrokes than the mouse.

"Screw it. We've got bigger problems than a butter shortage."

by Ash on Mar 27, 2008 7:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You don't have to use a mouse.

Do it this way:

1. Type your subject. (Or don't. The subject line is now optional. Didja'll know that?)

2. Use "tab" to move your cursor to the message box.

3. Use "tab" to move your cursor to "PREVIEW."

4. Use your spacebar to "click" preview.

5. Use your spacebar to "click" "POST!"

I know it seems like a few too many superfluous tabs and clicks and whatnot but if you're trying to get away from using your mouse I think you'll pretty quickly teach your fingers the little ballet.

But with this said, I still must add that I don't know why previewing is mandatory. Especially when most folks are gonna clickity click right past it.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 27, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Old habits die hard, man

"Screw it. We've got bigger problems than a butter shortage."

by Ash on Mar 27, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

It looks like that's what most of our objections are gonna come down to.

The good thing is that there is evidently no annoying deal-breaker that absolutely everyone simply cannot stand and casts a general pall of disappointment over the entire site.

The new SB Nation: It's better than Jar Jar Binks.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 27, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The silly preview thing is probably the most irritating part of all about the switch. I can get used to the clutter and the dumb new names for things we've had around forever, but the lack of a simple post feature just seems obnoxious to me because it's so pointless to not have it. As I stated above, there's no benefit to taking away the feature and every time I have to click preview to post one sentence I get more and more annoyed with the utter inanity of it. I'd like an explanation as to why it was taken away if there's too much stubbornness to bring it back, and then I'd like to get hostile(r?) about it if that's the case.

by Geki on Mar 27, 2008 8:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

I think it was pretty well hashed out on Athletic Nation when they switched.

But I didn't read the entire debate and I can't remember how the mandatory preview was justified.

(I'll try to find it and link to it... but I still may not read it all.)

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 27, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I got as far as Devin/Devyn/Devon and gave up.

"Screw it. We've got bigger problems than a butter shortage."

by Ash on Mar 27, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't see anything in there.

I did notice that a lot of their complaints were addressed, which brings a degree of hope, but the only mention of the preview I saw was about tabbing directly to the button -- which is exactly what I want to avoid, because it's fucking annoying and fucking pointless.

One other thing I noticed is that AN is a whole heck of a lot easier on the eyes, simply because of the color scheme. Damn the Reds for being red!

by Geki on Mar 27, 2008 8:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Athletics Nation

Yeah, well their team is perhaps the worst in the AL now. So there.

by Brian B on Mar 27, 2008 8:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i will say

that when i started going to daily kos i was really confused by the preview/post thing. but i dont even realize im doing it anymore. everyone once in a while i'll catch some mistake i made out of the corner of my eye and go fix it before submitting. anyway, i dont think it will always be annoying.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Mar 27, 2008 8:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've been posting on a couple of sites that require a preview and then a post for a few years now. It's not a rare occurrence that I'll hit the preview button thinking it'll submit and then click to another tab and do something else for a while. When I click back to that tab to see if anyone responded to my post, lo and behold, I get to look at the preview screen of my post. While I realize that this is more a result of my short attention span than anything else, I still find it to be annoying and unnecessary.

And the biggest difference between the two is that we've had the ability to directly submit a post, and aside from shortstop's illiteracy and justin's endearing typos, I've never noticed an issue at all. It just doesn't make sense to me that we're supposedly adding functionality to the site and then we get a substantial bit of it taken away. I want an explanation, and then I want to mock that explanation until I get change for this silly injustice.

by Geki on Mar 27, 2008 8:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

I'm sure I'll probably get used to it, but there's no reason why I should have to. It will be especially annoying in game threads when you're only posting "Home run!" or something. For longer posts I usually preview anyways (as well as running a spell check and sending a rough draft to my man Sanjum in Calcutta for gramar and editing).

I doubt we'll see fewer typos/errors with this change. The people who need it won't bother.

by Red Menace on Mar 27, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, and BTW

Did everyone else miss Class Action Guy? I know I did. (It was either that or a picture of George Steinbrenner dressed as a Revolutionary soldier sitting on a horse. Hell, I'll probably bust that out at some point.)

Anyway, enjoy...

"Screw it. We've got bigger problems than a butter shortage."

by Ash on Mar 27, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't give me any ideas!

"Screw it. We've got bigger problems than a butter shortage."

by Ash on Mar 27, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here ya go. It's not Trump. ...It's better than Trump.

I'd use it as my avatar but it doesn't really represent how I feel about the world since they invented peanut butter M&Ms.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 27, 2008 8:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

second look

Now that I'm home and experiencing the new site on my computer, I can see what everyone is talking about. The pages load very nicely, and the site isn't nearly as annoying as when trying to follow along on the iphone. Which sucks, because I spend a lot of time on a train picking up news and Red Reporter reactions. The preview/post takes forever to load, and the fanposts banner on the right takes FOREVER to pop up.

I'm still in favor of simpler being better. But that's life. There will always be fixes for things that aren't broken.

by Brian B on Mar 27, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we're working on speeding things up

and expect a mobile version and an iPhone version, eventually. Things will keep changing around here, and thanks for your patience.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 28, 2008 12:45 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Love the new look

I think it looks real nice the way things are right now at 9:00 pm tonight. One of the things I really like is that logging into the new SBN it tells me when other SBN sites I am a member of update as well.

http://www.redsminorleagues.com

by dougdirt on Mar 27, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Suggestion

Possibly a list of "recently commented fanposts/stories/whatever" somewhere for the junkies like myself who visit often?

by jch24 on Mar 27, 2008 9:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did I get drunk and wander onto the wrong site?

I must be wasted

"Karma - there it was. The meaning of life, straight from Carson Daly's lips to my morphine-laced ears." -Earl Hickey

by BLee2525 on Mar 27, 2008 11:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Out of curiosity...

I am wondering what would happen in this situation. Say you were at the bottom of a page reading the newest comments or whatever, and it auto-refreshed, a new comment showed up farther up in the page. If you were to leave the site, and come back at another time, would the above comment show up as new?

I would think that it should come up as new, because you haven't read it, and it auto-refreshed so you weren't aware of it. But I would also think that the way the site seems to work, since you've already been on a page with the comment on it, it would not show up as new next time.

Thoughts?

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Mar 28, 2008 2:23 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's the latter

Any comment that's on a thread your currently viewing will no longer be marked new when you refresh, whether you read it or not, even if it came in via auto-update.

This seems to be consistent with what behavior people expect, but we may change something in the future, or offer a user setting that handles it differently.

Thanks for taking the time!

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 28, 2008 11:55 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for the response.

I just noticed the little popup at the bottom of a page when a new comment comes up, which definitely helps out my issue.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Mar 28, 2008 12:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow!

Just when a dumb guy like me learns how the simpler site works we get this!

Can I loan someones "SB Nation Blogging for Dummies" book?

"Touchdowns are the most over rated stat in football, first downs are what win games!"-ESPNs Skip Bayless on why Tony Romo is not a good QB

by Zach K on Mar 28, 2008 9:05 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I felt a disturbance

on the internet. As if millions of posters suddenly cried out in terror!
I fear Red Reporter has been changed.

by Laptop Guy on Mar 28, 2008 9:33 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When the threads get really long

Is anyone else having a problem with slow loading times when the threads get really long? I'll see one new comment, click on the thread and start hitting Z like a hyperactive kindergartner drinking Red Bull. But it takes forever for the page to load. Is it just my crappy computers, or is all this fanciness slowing us down?

by Brendanukkah on Mar 28, 2008 10:01 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the longer threads are taking longer to load

I'm concerned how that will look on a game thread.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 28, 2008 10:21 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we're still working to speend things up

Currently people are reporting that things feel a little slower after 350 comments or so. We've had a number of successful gamethreads on other blogs. Just know that speeding up load times is our highest priority.

It's only going to get faster! We promise! Fancy, but faster!

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 28, 2008 12:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Been around 44 years.

Seen a lot of changes. Been against every one of them.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Mar 28, 2008 10:40 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like how you can associate a player with a post

but I wish the player pages had more info on them, like their career stats or favorite ice cream. Would it be possible to get a link to their baseball-reference page?

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 28, 2008 11:13 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Copied from another Diary

Sorry, "FanPost"

I really dislike the new nomenclature on this site. A lot.

I think it would be a welcome improvement to allow each SB Nation site to choose the specific titles of the sections. For instance, if the "FanShots" (NO SAPCES!!111) section were called "Quick Hits" like JD is used to putting up, I bet sid would have been more likely to use that function.

I doubt it would be that disorienting to folks visiting from other SB Nation sites and it might better engender in the community a feeling of ownership .

Plus ca change...

by Man Mountain on Mar 28, 2008 11:45 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we've heard from a few folks

That they're not big fans of some of the new terminology. We're definitely open to new ideas, but I think whatever we choose will need to be made consistent across the entire app so users (especially new ones) don't get confused and crazy).

Also, your NO SAPCES!!111 parenthetical made me spit my coffee a little.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 28, 2008 12:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really don't see how this would be confusing

to new users. To absolutely new users, they won't know the difference. It's not like FanPost is common web parlance.

To SB Nation users from other sites, I doubt it would be more than a moment's disorientation. "Wait, there's something called "Pics" where "Fan$hotz" used to be! What the fuck is going on?! What brave new world that has such titles in it?!"

If it's a branding thing, then you need to start spitting your coffee at your creative team.

Plus ca change...

by Man Mountain on Mar 28, 2008 1:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

"FanShots" and "FanPosts" are pretty weak.

But now whatever comes after FanShots will likely be pretty widely critiqued and frowned upon.

MM's idea of a site-by-site vernacular is a good one but it evidently may not be practical to implement.

So I don't know what I'd suggest here. I mean, aside from spitting coffee at your creative team.

Didn't you guys at SB Nation preview your new terminology before you posted it?

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 28, 2008 1:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did anybody stop and consider

that the name doesnt matter at all? if we called them pigfuckers, i dont see what difference it would make.

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by boobs on Mar 28, 2008 1:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unless

calling them pigfuckers means that we can only post pig fucker related materials.

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by Slyde on Mar 28, 2008 1:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

The guy that came up with "FanPost" evidently thought the name didn't matter at all.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 28, 2008 1:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually

although im of the opinion that the name doesnt matter, i dont see whats so bad about fanposts. i always called my diaries "posts" anyway, and i can see fanpost as just being a way to discern the front-page post from the diaries.

diary was a pretty silly name. I think if it were the reverse (we started with fanposts and then changed it to diaries) that wouldn't make sense at all

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Mar 28, 2008 1:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're probably right about being used to things

but I don't think that's beside the point at all.

For me personally, I actually liked "diary" because it gave the impression of something personal and considered. Obviously, "diaries" weren't always like that, but I do think we tend to do what words ask of us.

I find the "FanBlank" format inelegant to look at and inelegant to say.

Plus ca change...

by Man Mountain on Mar 28, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Exactamundo.

"Shot" and "Post" sound confrontational and territorial. Yes, sportsfan-dom has a certain undeniable amonut of that "smack talking" element but my single favorite reason for being here at Red Reporter is that all that rah-rah chest-thumping bullshit is understated and still understood.

"Diary" was a little bit soft and corny. But then, so am I.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 28, 2008 2:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What are you, queer?

Haven't you heard the reasoning? You'll be at a bar telling someone to read your diary and they'll think you're queer!

by Red Menace on Mar 28, 2008 6:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if these things don't matter at all

why elicit feedback? As I'm sure SB Nation's market testing showed them, little things like this add up to create reasons people like or don't like certain websites.

Also, if the selling point is creating closely-knit web fan communities, why not give some ownership to the community?

If the posters here decide they want to use "pigfuckers" then I'm all for it. If it's our (or, more importantly, JD's) decision. I don't see why the titles should have to be uniform just so the 7 people who read Crawfish Boxes can come over and covet in comfort.

Plus ca change...

by Man Mountain on Mar 28, 2008 2:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FanPosts=Pork Chops

FanShots= Side of Bacon

Cincinnati is/was after all, Porkopolis.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 28, 2008 2:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

'these things' do matter

i just dont think the name of the diaries is one of those things.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Mar 28, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that is,

the names dont have any functionality

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by boobs on Mar 28, 2008 2:22 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we did Preview the terminology, yes.

We had a month-long blogger-only beta in which all of this was discussed. Not everyone was in love with the term FanShots, but we were hard-pressed to come up with something better.

And I agree with Fat Vegas that MM's idea for different terminology on each site is a good one. There are some implementation challenges, but more importantly I think we need terminology that's consistent across the network. Eventually we'll have a feed of network-wide fanshots on SBNation.com, etc.

We really do appreciate the feedback. I know we came in and changed your furniture around. We want everyone to be as comfortable as possible. Give us some time and we'll get to as much as we can.

And MM, I only spit my coffee when something makes me laugh. Four people built this application - we are the creative team. The next time we're in the same state I'll spit coffee on everyone.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 28, 2008 1:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big Ups to you and the team

for 99% of this redesign. Maybe the coffee could just be tepid.

Plus ca change...

by Man Mountain on Mar 28, 2008 2:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big ups to you and your Monocle

We've got to have some kind of network wide Avatar competition.

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 28, 2008 3:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also

Are yall ok with the black titles on posts?

Rec me if you'd prefer the red.

Plus ca change...

by Man Mountain on Mar 28, 2008 11:46 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haven't they always been black?

I think red might be confusing because red to me means a link.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 28, 2008 11:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we're agreed then.

New titles should now be nude.

by Brian B on Mar 29, 2008 12:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's racist.

Two things:

1. I'm pretty surfe they always were black.

2. As much as I'm sure that this will bother the some ardent Reds fans, I think the less red the better. It's not a color that's easy on my eyes.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 28, 2008 1:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They were always black

But there's a definitive difference that's bothering me. It may simply be spacing.

Whenever I think of space being taken away I always think "red."

Plus ca change...

by Man Mountain on Mar 28, 2008 1:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

like native americans?

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Mar 28, 2008 1:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope

Soviet militarization of the moon.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 28, 2008 1:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope

menstration

Plus ca change...

by Man Mountain on Mar 28, 2008 1:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And that's why we have a preview window

To catch spelling mistakes.

Since misspelling things on the interwebs is illegal now. No chidl left bhind!

by Brendanukkah on Mar 28, 2008 1:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I find I'm looking over things less

with the Preview feature.

Plus ca change...

by Man Mountain on Mar 28, 2008 1:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Wasn't that a line in an Alanis Morisette song?

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 28, 2008 1:53 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

C'mon. Now you're getting carried away.

You can't blame everything on the new SB Nation design.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 28, 2008 2:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the biggest difference is..

..there is less of an indentation between the left margin of my posted reply and the left margin of your parent post.

It's a little thing but I think I've figured out that's what bothering by eye the most.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Mar 28, 2008 1:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Do you mean

that you're having a hard time telling whether something is a reply?

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 28, 2008 1:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that's what he's saying

because it's bothering me too. Especially with original comments and first replies.

by Brian B on Mar 29, 2008 12:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And another thing

If a "FanPost" gets promoted to the main thread, can we take it off of the "Recent FanPosts" column? I'll be scanning for new comments and see some in the main thread and some off to the side, in what will actually be the same post. However, the numbers of new comments don't always correspond, leading to added confusion. So after I check out one post, I go to look at the other post where there were new comments, only to find that I've been tricked again.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 28, 2008 1:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

other users have made this request

and we've logged a bug for it. Expect to see this change next week. Thanks!

I'm one of the guys who built the new SB Nation. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 28, 2008 1:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think is a bug

If I'm reading a "new" yellow comment and then a newer comment appears above where I am reading, when I push Z, both comments seem to get marked as read. Is this happening for anyone else?

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 28, 2008 1:59 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think so

It might have happened to me. Although it might have been a case of a slow-loading page and me hitting Z too many times waiting for it to actually do something. I've also tried to reply to someone, only to have a new post pop up and then I'm replying to that new post. Although that just might have been an issue of bad timing.

by Brendanukkah on Mar 28, 2008 2:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A possible new feature

Since you've already implemented keyboard shortcuts, would it be difficult to have keyboard shortcuts on the main page? For instance, I could hit j to move to the title of the next post or something like that similar to Google Reader or Bloglines.

Probably not a high priority, but just a suggestion.

Don't talk back to Darth Vader or he'll getcha!

by Slyde on Mar 28, 2008 2:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Am I an idiot?

Where are the links to get to the other SBNation baseball sites?

by Brendanukkah on Mar 28, 2008 4:53 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ummm... I'm scared...

Look what happens when I leave to go on vacation for a week... jeez...

Scared by the new look...

by crolfer on Mar 29, 2008 12:53 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FWIW

I don't mind FanPosts and FanShots. They're descriptive. And hey, it's the Internet. We don't need no freakin' spaces. It could be worse. It could be Fan!Posts and Fan!Shots.

I was never wild about the term "diary," which sounds like something a preteen girl would write. Preferably in a pink text block.

Agree that it's unfortunate (design-wise) that the Reds color is, well, red. One of the first things they teach you in graphic design class is that red on white is the most difficult color combination to read. It's hard on the eyes. Red and black also a rather unreadable combination. And white on red is really bad, too (as on the "recent posts" sidebar). I think the color scheme is a big reason the site looks so cluttered.

However, this is a common problem on all Reds sites, and I'm not sure it's that much worse than the old format, which also had a lot of red on white.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 29, 2008 5:40 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Technical difficulties

For some reason, I am no longer getting new comments highlighted. It was working this morning, but isn't working now. I don't think I changed anything.

At least, new comments are no longer being flagged in the posts that have been front paged. Not sure about the rest.

No new comments are listed in the comment count, even though I can see from said comment count that new comments have been posted. And when I click on the post, I see the new comments, but they aren't highlighted, and don't get anything when I click C or Z.

Sigh. I liked the [new] flags better. Worked great with Firefox, though I can see how it would be less convenient with IE.

And boy, is this site slow loading now. Even posts that don't have a lot of comments take forever to load. Seems like the database is getting hammered. This is going to be a right pain for game threads.

I don't like the preview, either. I don't mind mandatory preview, but when you click it, you have to scroll up to see the actual preview. That is seriously a pain, especially with longer posts.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 29, 2008 7:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry about the loading times

We're continuing to work on speeding things up. Also, we've decided that we're going to add a direct Post button so Preview is no longer mandatory.

I'm curious about your problem with new comments - we haven't heard about this from anyone else. Is there any chance you've had these comment threads open in a second browser window or tab, maybe even on a different computer? If a comments are auto-updating in one place, they won't appear new elsewhere.

We're trying to duplicate this problem - please let us know if it continues and we'll try to sort it out.

I'm one of four guys who built SB Nation 2.0. We are like the Borg, but friendly.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 29, 2008 8:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

I routinely have several browser windows/tabs open at once, and work on two computers at the same time. That has never been problem before.

If I turn off auto-updating,will that fix it?

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 29, 2008 9:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fwiw

I tried turning it off, but now I can't find new posts unless I scroll through and look for the yellow ones.

Kind of a pain when there's hundreds of posts in a thread.

This blows. I want the [new] tags back.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 29, 2008 10:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BubbaFan, are you saying the Z key doesn't work

when auto-update is unchecked?

I'm one of four guys who built SB Nation 2.0. We are like the Borg, but friendly.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 29, 2008 10:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, that would fix it.

Some users seem to be leaving auto-update off except during GameThreads. I happen to love auto-updates (every popup is like a little present!) so I leave it on everywhere.

Nothing wrong with having multiple tabs open - but what *will* give you funny behavior is having one thread open in two places.

We've talked through this quite a bit, and decided on the current behavior as the most intuitive behavior, at least for now. The other possible scenario would be to have all new (that is, yellow) comments stay new everywhere until you actively Z-mark them as read. But this seems silly, since comments would become work, like clearing out your email inbox... some users may not care for the keystrokes. So as on most sites, a full page refresh marks them all as read.

Hope that made a bit of sense ;)

I'm one of four guys who built SB Nation 2.0. We are like the Borg, but friendly.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 29, 2008 10:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then I'll turn it off

And leave it off.

I've decided I hate the auto-updates. If you're only partway through the thread you have to drop everything and read the new posts before the popup disappears, or the new posts are marked read and you miss them.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 29, 2008 10:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm

This really shouldn't be how auto-updates are functioning, so maybe we've got a bug here.

Normally when an auto-update pops in, I glance down to see if it's someone I know. If I'm working on a reply I either finish it or I click outside of the reply text fields (onto the sidebar, for example) and then press C or Z until I find that new comment.

But if you're sure the keyboard shortcuts aren't working, I could see how this would be frustrating. Sorry for the stress... we just want people to have fun talking about baseball!

I'm one of four guys who built SB Nation 2.0. We are like the Borg, but friendly.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 29, 2008 11:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think...

...a lot of the problems I am having are related to the long load times. I timed it, and it took more than two minutes for this thread to load for me. (And yes, I do have broadband.) I suspect something is timing out. Whatever it is that flags comments as new seems to be the last to load, and sometimes it doesn't.

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by BubbaFan on Mar 29, 2008 11:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i have a really slow

broadband connection at work that rarely works well with new things, and the load times are slow, but by slow i mean four or five seconds.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Mar 29, 2008 11:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm getting long load times as well

Not 2 minutes long, but this thread takes 30+ seconds to get to the point where it can get down to new posts via the keyboard shortcuts and I have a pretty good connection.

by Geki on Mar 29, 2008 11:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It loads a lot faster for me if I'm not logged in

Maybe 10 or 15 seconds for this thread, instead of more than two minutes.

That suggests to me that the problem is the database. That's the bottleneck.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Mar 29, 2008 11:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question/Suggestion

I noticed on minorleagueball.com, where the new SBN stuff was put up around 2 weeks ago, that the recommended FanPosts section is getting kind of busy. There are currently 5 FanPosts in the recommended section, and three of them have been dead for at least several days. I'm not sure how that works currently, but I'd suggest something like taking them off the recommended FanPost section if they're no longer active. Perhaps something like if nobody posts in them for 48 hours, they are removed, but I don't know how you guys do that right now.

by Geki on Mar 29, 2008 10:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Currently, Recommended comments expire after 2 weeks

This may be something that we should bloggers to set per community. Bloggers already have the power to control the Rec threshold and to decide if they want to include Recommended FPs / FSs at all

And presently, only 5 FanPosts appear in the Recommended section. Our hope was that people would be more active about Recommending stuff, to push old posts out. I think the real solution is that we need to make it easier to recommend posts.

I'm one of four guys who built SB Nation 2.0. We are like the Borg, but friendly.

by sixfoot6 on Mar 29, 2008 10:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think either allowing a community threshold to be set or even something as simple as allowing admins/moderators the ability to remove something from the recommended section would get the job done (and the second one probably already exists and would make this a moot point here as our in-power folks are very active in the diaries, which isn't the case at Sickels' site).

by Geki on Mar 29, 2008 10:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Items marked as NEW

I noticed that a few of the FANPosts which I had previously read and double checked it the other day when we switch over, today show up as NEW Comments (all of the posts not just unread ones). Anyone else experiencing that? I do use different browsers in different places (home/work/home - yes multiple home computers..)

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by snohio on Mar 30, 2008 12:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that's because a new comment is added to the thread

and you haven't read the fanpost in the new system. That is to say, something old is new again.

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by Slyde on Mar 30, 2008 3:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh yeah..

I know I read them, two days later there were 18 total and 18 new. I think there was 1 or 2 new ones but I remember reading the rest..

Unless I was having a major case of deja vu. (which has been known to happen.. but not this time..)

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by snohio on Mar 30, 2008 11:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it could also be

because you werent signed in when you read them the first time. that happens to me a lot.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Mar 30, 2008 11:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

problems

im having problems posting a picasa slideshow. can someone help?

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 3, 2008 2:17 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are you trying to embed flash into a FanPost?

If so, you're probably finding that the FanPost publishes, and your slide show is simply missing.

But never fear, we'll be deploying a fix in the next few days that fixes this! Sorry about the inconvenience.

I'm one of four guys who built SB Nation 2.0. We are like the Borg, but friendly.

by sixfoot6 on Apr 3, 2008 4:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's exactly what's happening.

picasa embeds use flash. i tried to do it in html and it didnt make any difference. actually what usually happened was switching from html mode to wysiwyg mode would crash the post and i'd have to start over. thanks for clearing this up. we often have posts where we want to show a lot of pictures, and i was pretty pumped about the idea of using slideshows instead of bogging down the post with a string of a couple dozen photos.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 3, 2008 4:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

any news on this?

sorry, I'm getting antsy to put up some slideshows. also, can the admins get the option to split game threads into intro and body? You guys have some really cool new game thread features, but it would bog down the front page quite a bit to get them all in. thanks.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Apr 5, 2008 11:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Flash embeds should be working on FanPosts

Sorry for not updating you - this feature has been active for a few days now.
Your GameThread note is a good one - I'll mention it to the team. Thanks!

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by sixfoot6 on Apr 8, 2008 1:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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