3rd Party Bowden Analysis

by Brian B on Feb 16, 2008 1:36 AM EST Comment 21 comments

If that's what you want to call it.

If you haven't already seen it, mlbtraderumors.com </insert link here> took a stab at analyzing Jim Bowden as a GM. Part I is Leatherpants' 10.5 years with the Reds.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/02/jim-bowden-trad.html#comments

To say the least, it's a cursory observation. However, I do like the handy spreadsheet of Bowden trades through mid-2003. And Big Mike Glab(who is new to the site) does single out JimBo's common trade trade partners.

However, the report's draft analysis looks only at Assface's first round picks, ignoring other gems that Boy Wonder grabbed in "later" rounds (see Dunn, Adam, sidnancy, comments).

And Big Mike claims that the October 30, 1999 trade for Dante Bichette was a playoff-stretch deal. So Trader Jim was just a couple months late on that one or what?

All in all, it's a fun feature. But this one was written by either (a) some dude who did a book report on someone else's article on Jim Bowden, (b) a Reds fan who knows what we know but tried to dumb it down for a larger audience, or (c) some respectable guy I don't know who will beat me down with my own arm.

Bereavement pool update: Apparently, Edna Parker of Shelbyville, IN, may not be the oldest living human after all. A 120-year old dinosaur in Israel has applied for an identity card.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23173016/

Sorry, Fat Vegas.

Second Bereavement Update [2008-2-16 12:0:18 by Brian B]: Steve Fossett has been declared legally dead on February 15, 2008, not the date he went missing (September 3, 2007). I still don't feel like he fits into the Osama Rule, but that's okay. There should be a rule against missing persons anyway.

Poll

Who looks better in leather pants?

Jim Bowden

2 votes

Edna Parker

0 votes

Big Mike Glab

0 votes

boobs

15 votes

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Don't worry Alan

Those people in Shelbyville are always eating candy! They looove the sweet taste!

She'll surely die of diabetes soon. Or lose a foot. Is that partial credit?

by Brendanukkah on Feb 16, 2008 9:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

My wife is from Shelbyville, IN

Her dad is one of the town doctors. I'll have to see if Edna is one of his patients, and then I'll see if we can violate any HIPAA rules for the purposes of the death pool.

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Feb 16, 2008 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

if you and alan collaborate in any way

in the demise of sweet old aunt edna, then by rule alan has to forfeit.

Marty may have a shirt on, but Billy Beane just ripped his off and is squeezing his nipples. - Brendan's ukkah

by boobs on Feb 16, 2008 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Incidentally . . .

. . . and if you haven't read the wikipedia entry, Edna lives in an old folks home with the second-tallest woman in the world.

by Brian B on Feb 17, 2008 3:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

so Shelbyville and Ohio State

have second place in common?

Hope Springs Eternal! Go Reds

by Caleb on Feb 18, 2008 8:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

wait a sec

does that make my wife second place as well? She's from Shelbyville and has a degree from Ohio State.

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Feb 18, 2008 9:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It looks like your wife...

...will simply settle for whatever comes along.

Take a look around this dump. You're just a tourist with a typewriter. I live here.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 18, 2008 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That's it, FVA

stealing my utility belt is one thing, but this is over the line. You and I are no longer internet friends.

I'm not superstitious...but I am a little stitious.

by Slyde on Feb 18, 2008 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

low blow, but I did get a hearty chuckle.

Reds fan for 40 years!

by gejoe on Feb 18, 2008 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

MLB Trade Rumors

has a link to BP's projected standings.

I dunno if I buy this PECOTA stuff. They predict the Reds will be third in their division, behind the Cubbies and the Brewers.

The Yanks are predicted to be first their division. Yankee fan though I am, I still think the Sox have the advantage.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Feb 16, 2008 11:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

MLBTR should try harder when hiring people.

That is, in fact, an article fraught with errors, especially the Markakis and Bichette parts, unless The Baseball Cube is very wrong (and they typically are not).

by Geki on Feb 16, 2008 11:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

They were sort of right, but not entirely,

on Markakis. The Reds drafted him twice -- out of Woodstock HS in Georgia in the 35th round in 2001 and out of Young Harris JC in the 23rd round in 2002. I don't know where MLBTR got the Long Island part. Many, if not most, teams liked Markakis more as a pitcher than as an outfielder.

Bichette was acquired from Colorado in October of 1999, rather than during the stretch drive.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Feb 16, 2008 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

WaPo article on Jimbo

Against all odds, Bowden survives

Despite talking about his growth and maturation, Bowden can't resist taking a shot at the Reds - though I'm sure it is easier to work under Kasten than Schott:

This is a completely different job than I had in Cincinnati. Working for Stan Kasten, you are working for a proven winner who is very professional in every way he operates. The ownership is completely committed to long-term winning and doing things the right way. When you come to work and make decisions, you know that intellectually you have the freedom to hire the very best people in the game -- the very best scouts, the very best development people, the very best big league manager.... You don't ever look at it and say our situation above the GM isn't first class and isn't going to give this organization a chance to win for a long time. I never had that in Cincinnati -- ever.

by ken on Feb 16, 2008 3:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

It is to laugh

Marge Schott won a championship before you got to town, Leatherpants.
Best scouts? Is that... is that Bob Boone in charge of Nationals scouting?
"Hire the very best people in the game." Like Paul LoDuca? Like all the Reds castoffs that you initially brought to the 'Nati, who never won anything there, or in DC?

I'll give him credit for Acta though. That dude is the footure.

by Brendanukkah on Feb 16, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He had an interesting winter

The Dukes and Milledge trades were great moves for a rebuilding team. But their rotation is still pretty questionable, right? They should've moved Cordero or one of the 1B for SP prospects. I saw they beat FeLo in arbitration. FeLo going to arb after his craptastic year, when the Nats were offering only 300K less, is absurd.

The new park looks sweet. Thankfully the Reds play in DC (and the NY teams) on a weekend this year.

And really, the Post should be above referencing Phil Collins in their headlines.

by ken on Feb 17, 2008 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

that is his biggest weakness

he could never build a starting rotation. He could put together the best outfield in baseball, but the rotations sucked. He could find a retread or too, like Harnish or Shoureck, but my god his rotations sucked.

The Dusty path to the World Series!

by justin0070000 on Feb 17, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Miriam is my death pool angel.

Now Ol' Edna's got nothing left to live for!

Take a look around this dump. You're just a tourist with a typewriter. I live here.

by Fat Vegas Alan on Feb 16, 2008 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

He signed another ex-Red!

VIERA, Fla. (AP) - Bret Boone came out of retirement to sign a non-guaranteed, minor league contract with the Washington Nationals on Monday, joining his younger brother, infielder Aaron, and their father, assistant general manager Bob, with the club.

Boone, who turns 39 in April, hasn't played in the majors since 2005, when he spent time with Seattle and Minnesota. He went to spring training with the New York Mets the next year but called it quits before playing an exhibition game.

"There's something still in there," Boone said Monday. "I look at it as I've got nothing to lose."

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Feb 18, 2008 12:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs