Freel traded for Ramon Hernandez
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 4:01 PM EST
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It looks like it's a done deal. From Rosenthal:
The Reds have reached preliminary agreement with the Orioles on a trade that will send catcher Ramon Hernandez to Cincinnati for outfielder Ryan Freel and two prospects, according to a major-league source.
The deal is pending the approval of the commissioner's office, because it involves a cash transaction of more than $1 million.
On Monday, major-league sources said the deal would not be completed unless the Orioles picked up a significant portion of Hernandez's remaining salary.
Hernandez is owed $8 million in 2009 with a club option of $8.5 million or a $1 million buyout for 2010, meaning he is guaranteed $9 million.
The two questions are how much money and who are the prospects. We'll wait judgment on those two items until we have more information.
Three years ago, Hernandez was one of the top catchers in the game. The problem is that catchers don't tend to age well, and Hernandez is no exception. Here's his last 3 years numbers:
His projections aren't all that appealing as a hitter:
Compare those to Ryan Hanigan
It's hard to project defense at catcher - mainly because it's hard to measure defense at catcher - but I'd say that there is a very good chance that Hanigan will be a better defensive catcher than Hernandez next season.
All of this is to say once again that I don't mind Hernandez as a backup catcher, but I fear that is not how he will be used. There is this stigma that the higher paid player should start to justify the money, but I sure hope the Reds don't focus on that. The main reason is because I think that there is a much better chance of Hanigan matching Hernandez's power than the reverse happening with on base ability, and frankly the Reds project to not be very good at getting on base next year. Given his likely defensive superiority and the fact that he can actually get on base from time to time, there is no question in my mind that Hanigan should be the starter. Anybody think Dusty sees it that way?
As for Freel, well, he projects to be a worse hitter than Hernandez and that's assuming that he could actually stay healthy enough to be in the lineup. The trade does leave the Reds with a dearth of outfielders. At the point the starting outfield will be Bruce, Dickerson, and Norris Hopper. So, yeah, um, they need to fix that.
I don't think the addition of Hernandez is a large upgrade to the team, but it does help fill a hole. It's an awful lot of money to pay for a backup catcher, but it's not my money.
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I hope he does as well as our last Venezuelan catcher,
Bo Diaz. We just need to keep him away from his satellite dish.
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 9, 2008 4:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The prospect is all I care about
In a salary dump for Baltimore, I hope it’s someone like Belisle.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 9, 2008 4:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wait
I’ve forgotten, is Belisle a possibility?
by Pops Daniels on Dec 9, 2008 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LIke it, though...
I think Hanigan and Hernandez will both see plenty of playing time, until or unless one of them demonstrates consistent superiority. I do think this solidifies catching around here for the next two seasons, so I’m glad for that.
Now, how about a corner outfielder? Any word on that?
by jamesp50014 on Dec 9, 2008 4:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He kinda seems like an expensive David Ross
I like him waaaay better than I liked Bako, but I was hoping for Zaun. Still, props to Jocketty for continuing his streak of unloading unfavorable contracts (even if he did take another one on).
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 4:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking he'll be starting on opening day, at least.
He’s the bigger name with the bigger contract. I do like that it gives Hanigan to opportunity to compete for the job instead of being given it out of ST. Either we have a decent veteran back there that’s better than Paul Bako, or we have badass rookie sensation Ryan Hanigan, who forces the Reds hand to give him the starting job. It’s almost a win-win situation.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 9, 2008 4:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tonight's "talking yourself into it" award goes to.....
BK!!
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 9, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not so fast
I’ve requested sex tonight with my wife. She could still win the award.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Slyde demands a recount
Everyone get your paper ballots out.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 9, 2008 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you should really try to avoid using passive voice.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
uh...?
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Dec 9, 2008 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as opposed to active voice?
i don’t remember 7th great english
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i just like to be ironic
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you too huh?
good luck buddy!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2008 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More likely she'll win the "8 Percodan and I get to listen to my iPod" Award
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by Man Mountain on Dec 9, 2008 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What form do you have to fill out for that?
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 9, 2008 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If she's lucky he'll file it in triplicate.
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"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Spring Training play is actually figured into the decision on who starts.
I’m okay with Hernandez starting if he earns it.
"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 9, 2008 4:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
With his under-30% success rate
at throwing out runners, I seriously hope he doesn’t earn it. Because if he’s the best you got, wow, I’m sorry. At least the O’s have Wieters to look forward to.
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by duck on Dec 9, 2008 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, he's gotta be better than Bako
Have fun with Freel’s under-30% success rate too.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
God, worse than I remember
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by duck on Dec 9, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thankfully the Reds front office
has never been overly concerned with defense.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hernandez won't be a backup
Not with how much he’s making. He will start and give Dusty some veteran-y presence in the lineup.
All I can say is the TWO prospects the Reds are giving up better be shitty.
You went full retard. No one ever comes back from that. - Sgt. Osiris
by cesarhernandez on Dec 9, 2008 4:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Is Majewski a prospect?
"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 9, 2008 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Majewski has great prospects
For blowing ass as much as he did this past season and the season before it.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 9, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is sort of like
spending $4M to take Farney and
…teach him to catch
…stop him from getting caught stealing at below league average success rate
…teach him Spanish
…teach him to shut up and listen to the manager, even when the manager is a Dustbrain.
…keep him from another DUI or strip club incident
…give him some power at the plate
That might be money well spent…except that Hernandez starting 5 times a week will be how Dusty mishandles the roster.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 4:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather it be that roster mismanagement than batting Corey leadoff and playing Bako
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 9, 2008 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now it turns out...
We’ll only be spending $2M to do all that. I’m OK with this. I also like that Walt touted the benefits of signing free agents. Yummy.
I’d love for him to get us Adrian Beltre, trade EdE and Homer and fringe prospects to do it, and maybe pick up some delicious bargains as the free agent market collapses into itself. I honestly don’t think we’ll have a problem finding affordable quality outfielders in the leftover bin come February.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no doubt there will be affordable outfielders... quality, not so much.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 10, 2008 8:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
when will we know who the prospects are?
i’m not too worried. more worried like everyone else about hernadez getting start time. but the fact the reds were willing to give hanigan playing time last year is of some comfort.
by Daedalus on Dec 9, 2008 4:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So are we officially not bringing Valentin back?
And what of Wilkin Castillo? Will he ever get to catch? Or is he our fourth outfielder right now (possibly starting LF)?
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 4:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ramones Hernandez should start!
Hannigan’s just a punk catcher.
by ken on Dec 9, 2008 4:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wonder what sidnancy thinks.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 9, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The headline wasn't too bad
The body, though, was quite a stretch.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna post a Ramones song
But I came across this little gem instead.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 9, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes
I’m assuming you were going for this initially?
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone think Nick Cave is good?
Hes got a severe “oh jesus I hope nobody notices im not Ziggy Stardust” complex
No bees? Then who will sting me and walk on my sandwiches?
by The Crushinator on Dec 9, 2008 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i am watching the episode of the simpsons your sig is from right now...
odd that the line was said less than a minute after your post appeared
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shut up...
No bees? Then who will sting me and walk on my sandwiches?
by The Crushinator on Dec 17, 2008 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What if I told you somewhere in this house I had a funny Ramones reference?
Now is that something you might be interested in?
by Red Menace on Dec 10, 2008 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vince never gets that part
Never
by Pops Daniels on Dec 10, 2008 9:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he bats after Votto
We’d get the lineup of:
Joey
Ramon
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
but I hope you don’t mind lots of half-assed attempts at blocking passed balls.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Dec 9, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, we're Reds fans
The last eight years have conditioned us to all forms of half-assery.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 9, 2008 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we have perfected halfed assery
and we can not only see your half assed attempts we can raise you a CoPa.
Remember if a Democrat wins it's a mandate, if a Republican wins it's a law suit
by Caleb on Dec 9, 2008 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Highly unlikely we pick up the 10 option right?
8.5 mill or a 1 mill buyout?
Bruce Bonser? Boone Bonser? Boot Bonser? BOOSE BONZER?
by Lakeman on Dec 9, 2008 4:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i'm not too worried about Hernedez recieving too much playing time if Hanigan out performs him
Votto played more than Hatteberg,
Bruce wasn’t boxed out
Burton was the 8th inning guy
Cueto and Volquez won spots in the rotation over Fogg
Dusty wasn’t afraid to use Bray
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 4:28 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
rec'd ...
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Dec 9, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Counterexample
Corey Patterson remained on the team for 366 at-bats at an OPS+ of 48.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 9, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Corey Patterson should never have made the team
but how much playing time did he say when Griffey, Dunn, and Bruce were all on the active roster? The biggest misuse of Patterson occured early in the season when the Reds had other options.
After Dunn and Griffey were traded the Reds were running out of outfielders, so Dusty had to play the cards he dealt to himself. I am guessing if Griffey and Dunn weren’t traded Patterson would not have seen nearly as many at bats, or there was a more compelling answer.
I think Dusty’s bigger problem is that he liked Patterson to lead off.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So are you agreeing with me?
If Corey should never have made the team, that must mean the Dusty can play favorites and mismanage the roster, which is I think the point of being afraind of having someone with a high salary (like Patterson or Hernandez) around when there are better and cheaper alternatives.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 9, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i am agreeing with you that Dusty mismanaged the roster
but i am also saying, that to a certain extent Corey Patterson’s playing time was affected by the Griffey and Dunn trade, plus Hairston’s, Freel’s and Hoppers injuries. I am guessing if two out of those three guys stayed healthy, Paterson would have had significantly less playing time, and maybe even sent back to Louisville.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What about...
Bringing someone up from L’ville? (Dickerson)
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 9, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and they did after the Dunn trade
but that was also Walt’s responsibility.
I believe that Patterson’s 300+ at bats were a travesty. But at the end he was all they had left. Which shows how little outfield depth the Reds had after the trades.
In September they could have gone out and claimed a Buck Coats off of waivers or something like that.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I realize...
That using Corey Patterson as an example of bad management by Dusty Baker is a lot like Reductio ad Hitlerum, but no one said I had to be fair.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 9, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And why subject yourself and others to dog Latin
when you could simply cite the Harang relief appearance example to convict Dusty on all counts?
The best part of this post: I typoed in the first draft, leaving the “o” out of the last word.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference
Hanigan isn’t a prospect like the other 2 hitters.
But this isn’t a case of me being afraid of Dusty going with the veteran guy. I’m afraid that we see more Hernandez simply to justify the money spent.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
If you look at Dusty’s mismanagement, it was often one of turning a not-so-bad decision into a disaster.
When Patterson was playing, who should have started in front of him? The problem wasn’t Patterson starting, it was hitting him lead-off. When he used Harang and Volquez in the extra-inning game, yea he stupidly ran out of pitchers, but it was an 18 inning game; the mistake was using Harang again 3 days later.
Again, Hatteberg made much more money than Votto, yet Votto started. I’m confident the better player will start, but the decision after that is the one that troubles me.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on Dec 9, 2008 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it all depends on the prospects
of course i’d rather not spend so much on a catcher like him, but whatevs. Hernandez is not going to start 150 games like Jason Kendall, and he’s not any kind of drop off from Hanigan offensively (defense is another thing though). as long as the prospects we are sending them arent any of my faves, im cool with this.
oh man, and a fond farewell to Freel. he was my favorite player just a few years ago. how the Farney have fallen…
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2008 4:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
baltimore fans seem happy to be parting ways with ramon
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Dec 9, 2008 4:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
why wouldn't they?
it opens a spot for matt wieters. i envy them.
by Daedalus on Dec 9, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish they were trying to open a spot where Brian Roberts used to play before they traded him to the Reds
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if there's anything to this besides racism, but
It looks like the Reds have more Hispanic pitchers than the Orioles did. Maybe conversing with his pitchers in Spanish might make Hernandez a slightly better performing catcher.
/almost… grasping… straw
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 4:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
he bredan
fuck you and your mom
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering...
When you’d say that. It was getting a bit old.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 9, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
grumpy?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have the power to ban him
Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can feel the good inside of you...
Let go of your hate.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 9, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
I’m actually going up to Baltimore tonight to see a one man performance of the Star Wars trilogy. Charm City: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't been to Cleveland lately, have you?
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by duck on Dec 9, 2008 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Going in two and a half weeks
My friend from Cleveland who now lives in Baltimore is convinced that they are the same city. Other than the fact that the Browns franchise can only play well in one of them.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Luckily, it's been B-more's turn this year
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by duck on Dec 9, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Except Cleveland is a supremely shitty city
and Baltimore’s a pretty good city. I don’t have enough bad things to say about Cleveland.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Dec 9, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd certainly rather
spend a month in Baltimore than a week in Cleveland.
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by duck on Dec 9, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well you can take the train down to DC for $15 round trip
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just agree that Detroit is worse than both of them
put together.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, Detroit
barely edges out Cleveland for worst city in America. B-More’s one of the best.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Dec 9, 2008 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One night I spent a week Detroit's airport.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Worst airport I've ever been in
I understand they’ve built a new terminal. I was not in it.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah Northwest is never on time
the airport isn’t bad. I got to know it real well after my plane aborted it’s take off because of an engine failure.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When I covered Marshall,
the Herd frequently played in the Motor City Bowl. Heck of a reward for a great season — minus-14 degree weather, a Silverdome that smelled like urine and Christmas in Detroit.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 9, 2008 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My last Bengals game
was this one. I think Coslet was fired the next day.
by ken on Dec 9, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"You don't live in Cleveland....
you live in Cincinnati!"
God Bless Sam Wyche.
And how many of you have that speech as a ringtone or waiting music on your cell phone? You know you do. I would if I lived in Cincy…
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by duck on Dec 9, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that was him
He was very funny, and his humor mostly came from the nuances of line readings or movements, which impressed me. If you get a chance to see him, and you know the company manager of the theater he’s performing in so you can get free tickets, I highly recommend going.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 10, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I miss the point
Speaking Spanish allows him to block the plate better?
by rojosoto on Dec 9, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Si.
Better than Ross, who cannot catch things that are thrown at him (a requirement for most catchers).
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 9, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest
I think that’s an asset that Ramon has that probably made him a more appealing target for Walt to pick up. As long as Cueto and Volquez are around, this team would be good to have a catcher that speaks fluent Spanish.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 9, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bad news for Volquez
Because Hernandez has been terrible at throwing out SB attempts the past couple of years and Volquez let’s a lot of free passes to 1st.
by rojosoto on Dec 9, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He can't be worse than Javy in that department.
Hey, at least we have a new flag to throw into the mix!
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 9, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 9, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Gonzalez is Venezuelan
we got it covered
by Daedalus on Dec 9, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I had forgot about that.
Nice catch.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 9, 2008 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Never say never
He’s HORRIBLE at throwing out runners. He’ll sail more throws into CF than he will pick off runners. Trust me, I’ve seen it for 2 seasons now. HIs first wasn’t so bad with the O’s, the last two have been BRUTAL. I figure our staff ERA will go up at least 0.2 just by not having him call games. Really. I’m sorry you guys are stuck with him.
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by duck on Dec 9, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Valentin + Volquez
I don’t see that Valentin ever started a game at catcher that Volquez pitched.
by rojosoto on Dec 9, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A Jones-Freel-Markakis OF should be a lot of fun
I gotta get down to Bodymore some time next year.
by ken on Dec 9, 2008 4:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Stop by Charm City Cakes
and get me one that looks like a Reds fan taking a dump in a Cubs hat.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oooh ... someone else who watched sir duff and the food network
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Dec 9, 2008 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Duff is cool...
…but Geoff is the talent.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Remeber that guy the Reds had
who put up an OPS+ of 95, and was a decent defensive catcher, and was Bronson’s favorite catcher, but the Reds inexplicably released?
I guess he is an example of Dusty’s bad managment, which undermines my argument above, because Dusty kept running Paul Bako out there, despite the fact that Ross had a better arm, and bat than Bako.
I really don’t know what Bako did well, since he couldn’t hit, couldn’t throw, was he good at preventing wild pitches?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 4:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Slyde was Bako a good "back stop"
in that he allowed significantly less pass balls, and prevented more wild pitches than average?
I have realized that I cannot judge defensive statistics at all, and you have your lovely utility belt.
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by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not really
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so the only thing he had was "veteran presence"?
His lack of assets as a major league player really are amazing, no bat, no arm, not great and blocking pitches. But “he could call a good game”……..
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by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm putting it out there
paul bako is dating Dusty’s daughter.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'll rec that
(That’s what he said)
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The OPS against was better when he caught
but there is a lot of noise going on in there.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but i think Ross got a lot of Bad'rroyo
I am going through the game log. He got plenty of bad’rrroyo. He also caught Harang at least 5 times during Harang’s “injury period”. It seems like he got a lot of Josh Fogg.
I remember the Dusty tried to start Bako on days when Volquez and Cueto pitched. So when a catcher is catching the teams top starting pitcher (at least as far as their ERA+ goes) and third best starting pitcher, it stands to reason he the opponents OPS+ will drop on the days he is catching.
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by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For almost a solid month in 2007
O’s fans were almost HAPPY to see Bako in the lineup, because it meant Razor wasn’t catching. That’s what you;re getting – a catcher that people wanted benched FOR Paul Bako.
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by duck on Dec 9, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I figured that when we first signed him
because he presided over some real good pitching staffs in Oakland that he was a defensively sound catcher. I was wrong, he doesn’t give a shit about catching and cares alot more about being a plus hitter. He’s not a clubhouse cancer but….
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Dec 9, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on Dec 9, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reds sign Livan Hernandez.
From the Seattle Times:
“UPDATE: 1:43 p.m.: Just got word that free agent starting pitcher Livan Hernandez has signed a deal with the Reds. It will be announced shortly. Hernandez went 13-11 with 6.05 ERA last year in Colorado and Minnesota.”
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 9, 2008 5:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That gets the ol' "Fuck the Heck?!"
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, 13 wins.
That’s the stat that counts most with pitchers, right?
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 9, 2008 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, wins are what counts in baseball.
We’re adding 13 wins! That makes us at least an 85 win team next year, right?
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by andromache on Dec 9, 2008 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not an unprecedented type of Walt Jocketty move
putting a washed pitcher on the roster. Jeff Weaver easily pitched his best in the playoffs in ’06 for St. Louis.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on Dec 9, 2008 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, the prospects going to Baltimore are rumored to be
Justin Turner and Brandon Waring. If so, that’s all right. I liked Turner and figured with the Orioles lack of organizational infield depth he’d be in the deal. Waring seems like a clout or an out guy to me.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 9, 2008 5:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else think that seems like a lot?
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by BK on Dec 9, 2008 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it depends how much salary B'more is eating
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they are sending a million dollars
worth of crab cakes
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by xjjeep90 on Dec 9, 2008 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is a bit steep.
I thought the Reds might get a little more cash when I heard two prospects were involved.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 9, 2008 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we know how much cash we're getting?
I just heard “over $1 million.”
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, seems like a lot
I would think that for someone like Hernandez, Freel and Turner or Freel, Waring, and a lower prospect would be enough. Unless the O’s are eating a lot of salary, I think Reds gave up too much.
I’m disappointed to lose Turner. I don’t think he’ll be a star or anything, but I think he’ll be one of those players that goes a good 4 or 5 years as an average starter somewhere.
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by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do the two prospects
have an active heartbeat?
Then you overpaid.
Trust me, by the end of May, you will rue the day this trade was announced. Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings.
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by duck on Dec 9, 2008 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The principal in the deal going your way might not have an active heartbeat by May.
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by Man Mountain on Dec 9, 2008 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Livan Herndandez is bogus
the writer said he heard the name wrong. it is supposed to be Ramon
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by xjjeep90 on Dec 9, 2008 5:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Phew.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 9, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As Marty would say,
have mercy.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 9, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty still insists...
We need to land one more giant former Marlin…
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that guy in seattle sucks at reporting
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wonder what that's like?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he was trying to say Beltre signed
but made a fay-tal mistake.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Dec 9, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't blame this one on Hal.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 9, 2008 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hello dave
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't it suck
If you were absolutely horrible at your profession that you have been doing for 30 years? Would that mean you suck at life?
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 9, 2008 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's kinda harsh
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think he is a little passed his prime
He just doesn’t understand the value of statistical analysis. Ten years ago most people on this site probably wouldn’t have noticed that. I didn’t really begin to look at stats beyond ERA, bating average, RBI’s and Saves until 2005, when the Indians fan down the hall from me first introduced me to this stuff. Even still I didn’t think about it much until I joined this site (not knowing that it was a sabrameteric site, just thought that it had intelligent and humorous posters) in 2007.
The one thing I will say is after I turned 10 I realized that wins and loses are worthless stats. Maybe a generation ago when starting pitchers went much deeper into games wins and loses held a little more value (not to much more) because a starting pitcher had more control over his destiny.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ten years ago
this site was dedicated to rating photos of people’s girlfriends.
by Red Menace on Dec 10, 2008 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The salad days.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Enh...
Who cares. Livan Hernandez, Ramon Hernandez, Keith Hernandez, Jose Hernandez…all the same…
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 9, 2008 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's racist!
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 9, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's justinest!
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 9, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you were saying that all hernandez's were the same.
it can be assumed that they are all hispanic, so you were insinuating that all hispanics were the same!
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
You’re starting to create a new branch to the meme…
1. [comment]
2. “That’s racist!”
3. “I don’t get it.”
4. Explains, knowing that #3 didn’t actually not get it.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 9, 2008 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
now you say
“hahahahahahahahahahah i tricked you”
it’s important to always end the hahahahahah with and h
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot "PROFIT!!!"
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 9, 2008 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Loggins!
I’ve been doing my best to try to insert “Step 3: Loggins!” into the internet memeosphere, but it’s tough going. That South Park episode from 10 years ago is hard to displace. It was one of their most libertarian episodes, still…
by Red Menace on Dec 10, 2008 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahahahahahah i tricked you
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 9, 2008 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well played
almost as well played as the real paul householder…
is that you?
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 9, 2008 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So this move adds
3.5 Mil to the payroll, but opens another hole. How much do we have left to spend now?
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by MixFMKyle on Dec 9, 2008 5:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about you
But I wasn’t really counting on Freel to be filling any holes next season. At least not as the primary option.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't you see his craigslist ad?
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by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I honestly figured
We would have a Freel/Dickerson Platoon in CF. I liked Freel, I understand why he was traded, but I am hating the thought that it now means more Norris Hopper, who is NOT a Major League caliber player, IMO.
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by MixFMKyle on Dec 9, 2008 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i still maintain that jim edmonds will be the new centerfielder
by Daedalus on Dec 9, 2008 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be awesome!
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in 1998
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Am I the only one suspecting
that Dickerson will start in LF with a CF platoon of Hairston/Edmonds?
This is not an endorsement of this idea.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
We’ll get “the big bat” and platoon Hairston/Dickerson. With Cherry getting plenty of ABs at SS
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 9, 2008 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So, let's see if I have this straight.
The Reds sent Freel and Turner to the White Sox, Dye and Waring to the Orioles and wound up Livan Hernandez? Yeah, that’s about right.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 9, 2008 5:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But who will be our third catcher?!?!?
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Dec 9, 2008 5:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Livan
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Dec 9, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was born a pauper to a pawn on a Christmas day
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And he shall be a good man.
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Dec 9, 2008 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This deal will all fall through during Freel's physical
When it is discovered he has three broken knees, scoliosis, a deviated septum and is pregnant.
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Dec 9, 2008 6:00 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
and no arms!
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Dec 9, 2008 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the crabs.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
disease free is important.
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Dec 9, 2008 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In Baltimore?
Important in the way that a condor is important, I guess.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
plus they love crabs in baltimore
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by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
because it reminded me of my friend in college who had scoliosis. we made fun of that guy mercilessly.
not because of his scoliosis, but because he was a total bag.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2008 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
then why was he your friend?
you’re judged by the company you keep, charlie
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you'd just have to meet the guy
i really cant explain it any better than that.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2008 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
eh...
i was just trying to be difficult…
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so the guy was kinda like 'tHan?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so let me get this straight
Reds get:
Hernandez
+ 1 million dollars
O’s get:
Freel
Turner
Waring
losing Freel is kinda bittersweet, as he was once my favorite Red. but he’s long past his sell-by date. i really like Turner, but he’s not a huge loss. Waring im fine with losing. i think we should have gotten more cash, as this only covers his buyout for next year, but if the money is the biggest sticking point i dont have a problem with it. i think the O’s got the better end of the deal but its not a bad trade.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2008 6:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's AT LEAST 1 million dollars
I haven’t seen a definite amount yet, but since it was at least 1 mil, it had to go through the commish’s office.
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by BK on Dec 9, 2008 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheldon is saying its a cool mil
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2008 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why didn't they just make if $999,999 then?
Did they really want the commissioner to have to sign off on it, for no particular reason?
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Dec 9, 2008 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bud's signature is worth $2.75
So they made a better deal by getting him to sign-off on it.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I disappointed to lose Turner for someone like Hernandez
You always want guys you like to be traded for impact players – even if they aren’t necessarily worthy of such a deal. I’m outrageously meh about Hernandez. Hate to lose Turner in a deal like that.
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by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One fewer trading chip for the rest of the off season as well
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by Man Mountain on Dec 9, 2008 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
im disappointed in losing Turner too
i think he could have been a decent major leaguer, but its not a huge loss. yeah, it sucks to see the Reds lose out on yet another trade and spend up a decent prospect, but im not broken up about it. like i said, i think they lost the trade, but not horribly.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2008 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, I'm not broken up about it
just melancholy
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldnt go so far as melancholy
but i get ya
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2008 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well there are other, non-Justin Turner related, extenuating circumstances to my melancholy
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by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's ok, slyde
i’ll be over my cold in a day or two!
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been having a hard time since you announced to the site that you are sick
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by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know...
but i think i’ll be able to fight through this thing…
so don’t let it get you down!
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It could be a tumor...
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
boys have a penis, girls have a vagina...
see what i did there?
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...you slipped the word vagina into the thread.
That’s solid.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nope...that's not it!
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Non Sequitor: Talk Dirty to Me, Honey
From the indictment of Governor Rod Blagojevich and John Harris, this gem:
13…. b. Defendants Rod Blagojevich and John Harris, together with others, offered to, and threatened to withhold from, the Tribune Company substantial state financial assistance in connection with Wrigley Field, which assistance Rod Blagojevich believed to be worth at least $100 million to the Tribune Company, for the private purpose of inducing the controlling shareholder of the Tribune Company to fire members of the editorial board of the Chicago Tribune, a newspaper owned by the Tribune Company, who were responsible for editorials critical of Rod Blagojevich ….
Which sets up this:
73. In another call between Rod Blagojevich and Deputy Governor A that occurred a short time later on November 3, 2008, Rod Blagojevich and Deputy Governor A discussed an editorial from the Chicago Tribune regarding the endorsement of Michael Madigan and calling for a committee to consider impeaching Rod Blagojevich. During the call, Rod Blagojevich’s wife can be heard in the background telling Rod Blagojevich to tell Deputy Governor A "to hold up that fucking Cubs shit… fuck them." Rod Blagojevich asked Deputy Governor A what he thinks of his wife’s idea. Deputy Governor A stated that there is a part of what Rod Blagojevich’s wife said that he "agree[s] with." Deputy Governor A told Rod Blagojevich that Tribune Owner will say that he does not have anything to do with the editorials, "but I would tell him, look, if you want to get your Cubs thing done get rid of this Tribune."
Seedy Political Graft, Threatening Phone Calls, Fucking of the Cubs. Rapture.
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Dec 9, 2008 6:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i was floored by this stuff
i mean, this is the kind of political super villainy that only happens in Metropolis and Gotham City. totally unreal.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2008 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I'd seen the movie yet
I’m sure I’d copy some quote from The Joker or the guy with the square chin and then post a picture from The Dark Knight of said character.
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by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno if it goes to that level.
There’s no busload of terminally ill orphans involved.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Dec 9, 2008 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As someone who grew up with Edwin Edwards in the Governor's mansion
I find this all a little quaint.
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Dec 9, 2008 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you made that name up
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Dec 9, 2008 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what ruined my first marriage
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which?
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on Dec 9, 2008 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't clear
“or” also includes the possibility of “and”, right?
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by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rahm Emanuel is going to take this guy to the woodshed
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 9, 2008 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he'll send him fishing
/C’mon, you knew a Godfather reference was coming
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by duck on Dec 9, 2008 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mayor Daley still clean as a whistle
he probably had nothing to do with this, but he and his old man had a way of remaining innocent while those around them were guilty.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in other news
today continues to be a banner day for America
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by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so we lose Freel gain Hernandez
we still have Hanigan. SO who is our third catcher? And have we resigned CoPa yet?
Remember if a Democrat wins it's a mandate, if a Republican wins it's a law suit
by Caleb on Dec 9, 2008 7:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hey~
Caleb is here!
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
reports of my demise are greatly ...
ok, so they were only slightly exagerated but either way I am here. Anyone going to be at Redsfest on Saturday?
Remember if a Democrat wins it's a mandate, if a Republican wins it's a law suit
by Caleb on Dec 9, 2008 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i plan to be
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can I ride with you?
My car is full of babies.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 9, 2008 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sadly
i can’t tell if this is a joke or not
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I keed
Although we ARE one seat short from everyone riding in the same vehicle. Unless I put the boy in the cargo area of the Explorer.
I think I will be there Saturday, but not positive yet. I have to do Festival of Lights at some point and if it’s not this weekend it will the weekend of the 27th.
Screw it, I’ll figure it out tonight and send the email in the morning. If anyone else is interested email me.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 9, 2008 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
send the email and then i will respond to that email
and if you have further questions, you can respond to my email
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Jorgensen
They took him back despite the PED thing, so they must like him.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Dec 9, 2008 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
chad moeller filed for free agency...
by Daedalus on Dec 9, 2008 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how'd you get the scoop on bubbafan?
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
new rumor
6:02pm: From ESPN’s Steve Phillips:
The Mariners need a power hitter. The Tigers need a closer. There is speculation that the two teams are discussing a package involving Putz and Prince Fielder.
I just always wonder why we didn’t listen to phillips’s plan to fix the reds…
we should just trade for players we want by using players from other teams!
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 7:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Tigers are brilliant
if the Mariners fall for this one, Walt should swoop in and console them with Francisco Cordero for Ichiro!
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well if we're following the lead of the uber talented Mr. Phillips
Shouldn’t we offer CoCo to the Mariners for someone like Vlad Guerrero?
by chesirecat on Dec 9, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well
this has me excited for the season to begin. pause not.
FIRE DUSTY BAKER
by Blue on Dec 9, 2008 7:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
holy hell~
blue’s here too!
what say ye about the cats?
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think people realize that this team is an improvement over the last three.
Gillispie’s stubborness with regard to Liggins and Porter is killing me, however.
FIRE DUSTY BAKER
by Blue on Dec 9, 2008 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this team a lot...
especially compared to last year…
but Liggins and Harrelson HAVE to play the majority of the minutes for them to get really good
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I like Galloway as the SF, but he shouldn’t be allowed to shoot unless its a dunk. He can get the ball into the post.
FIRE DUSTY BAKER
by Blue on Dec 9, 2008 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i actually went to the miami game last weekend...
Rupp Arena is a miserable experience
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been saying that for years
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 9, 2008 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you are right..
it really made me appreciate the ease of watching a reds game
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's sad
I think the city makes it entirely too hard to do anything downtown…..
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 9, 2008 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the terrible traffic around the arena...
the number of people in the convention center…
the inability to park…
the bleachers…
they required a ticket for my one year old daughter…
the game itself was quite fun though…
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What's the line this year?
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 9, 2008 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
18?
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
how long you been saving that one?
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
youve had this pic all along!!??
what else have you been holding out on?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2008 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I swear I thought I posted it before
but I can’t find it.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah no
it was this one.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tonight's pic is better
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of the 'Cats
Stephen Curry rocks my shit even on a night when he’s as cold as ice (willing to sacrifice).
by Red Menace on Dec 10, 2008 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I think ESPN
should stop running games during the last 2 months of the year and just film each Division 1 team building dioramas of JIm Valvano’s “Don’t Ever Give Up, Speech.”
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Dec 10, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Got an email from Reds.com
It’s official, it’s Waring/Turner:
The Reds acquired catcher Ramon Hernandez from the Orioles on Tuesday, sending infielder/outfielder Ryan Freel and minor league infielders Justin Turner and Brandon Waring to Baltimore.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 9, 2008 8:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dusty and Walt are savvy
Fay has this update:
“We’ve got to find some outfielders,” he said. “We’re still looking for a right-handed hitter. We’re looking to strengthen our bench. Dusty (Baker) would like someone who can get a base hit or hit a home run, so we’re looking for more power and experience.”
For the sake of pete, please don’t walk. That’s all we ask.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 8:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
get on base or hit a home run
so that knocks Adam Dunn out of contention (besides him being a left handed hitter).
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
read carefully
it says “get a base hit or hit a home run,” and we all know that Dunn’s low batting average makes him a worthless baseclogging bum
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
by BobbyO on Dec 9, 2008 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Help on Hanigan
I was looking at Hanigan’s career minor league stats and he has only reached 400 ABs in a season once. Does he have a myriad of injury issues in his past, or is it just due to the fact that he has been stuck in platoon situations? I did like what I saw of him last season with the Reds, but if he is oft injured, this trade is starting to look better to me.
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 9, 2008 8:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the numbers
he was probably injured in 2006, but I think the other amounts look reasonable for a minor league catcher who’s not a prime prospect. He probably split a lot of time with other such catchers.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I also noticed that Hanigan
played at Rollins College. Bowden & Disco Dan O’brien both matriculated there if I am not mistaken.
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 9, 2008 8:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This from CBS Sportsline:
“The Orioles included $3 million to pay part of Hernandez’s $8 million contract, sources told CBSSports.com’s Scott Miller.”
If that’s the case, I like this deal even more.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 9, 2008 8:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
That’s what Mark Sheldon gets for letting a blind guy write his stories for him while he sits at a slot machine all day.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 9, 2008 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what about the dyslexic guy?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
acually the dyslexic guy was the only one of the three beat writers to write that the Reds are recieving atleast $1M
instead that the Reds are receiving $1M.
Also the blind guy isn’t in Vegas. He wrote in his blog that the paper couldn’t afford to send him.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i still dont like losing Turner in this deal
but this makes it less bad. does this help take the edge off the melancholy, Slyde?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2008 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
This sounds much better than the previously mentioned $1 million.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 9, 2008 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3 million sounds better than 1 million?
Wow, you come up with that all by yourself? Brilliant analysis, Mr. McCarver.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 9, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was hoping someone would do that!
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eat my butt
You know what I mean. Also, don’t miss my show this Sunday night at midnight on channel 64.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 9, 2008 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
according to MLBTR it's now $3 million not $1 that the Reds are picking up in the deal
by OURob on Dec 9, 2008 9:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
he's not your ob, he's not my ob
he’s OUR ob!
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by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
by the way tHan
I’M your huckleberry. Hundred bucks says I outscore your lame RR fantasy team this weekend.
by obc2 on Dec 9, 2008 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my lame fantasy team is the comeback story of the year!
I started out 0-6 and still made the playoffs!
tHan for coach of the year!!!!!!!
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by chandrathan on Dec 10, 2008 7:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did jonathan get fired after 6 games and Chandra start coaching the team?
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 10, 2008 8:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
chandrathan will never reveal its secrets!
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 10, 2008 8:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So I just realized
that with this trade, Aaron Harang (who arrived at the deadline in 2003) is now the longest tenured Red.
Matt Belise has the second longest tenure sorta, he was traded from Atlanta for Mercker after the deadline in 2003, made a couple of appearances, and spent all of 2004 in the Minor Leagues, before spending all of 2005, and 2006 either on the active roster or the D.L.
After Matt Belise is David Weathers, who was signed as a free agent before the 2005 season.
I think the player with the 4th longest tenure is EdE, who was called up to stay after the Randa trade in 2005.
Wayne really did turn the roster upside down during his time.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 9:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just got back from watching my college barf up a hairball for 39 minutes in NYC
Is it sad that I’m really excited by this deal because I don’t see it as a net subtraction from the Reds?
by chesirecat on Dec 9, 2008 10:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
anyway you can hook me up with 4 inauguration tickets?
I have a place to stay and everything.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
I would have actually been able to if I had accepted a job offer instead of opting for schooling across the pond next year. I already gave my ticks away to some other staffers. Apologies.
by chesirecat on Dec 9, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how dear you give the tickets to people you have met in reality
rather them some guy who abuses the english language on the internet.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how dear i indeed.
As an aside, don’t fuck with Barack Obama. You tell ’em you want to go back to school instead of working for them and they blacklist yo ass.
by chesirecat on Dec 9, 2008 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's racist!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Dec 9, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you go to WVU?
Is it too late to become a robber baron?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 10, 2008 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my girlfriend who is a senior at pitt would kill me if i went to WVU
when i want to get her all riled up I tell her that I’m working on my WVU ap
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This site could use a Man Mountaineer
by Brendanukkah on Dec 10, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i see what you did there
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stephen threw a couple 3's down when it counted
And my brother and I were excited to see the White Lobster get good minutes. We were seated next to a table of WVU fans at BWW’s. I have such a love/hate thing going with Lovedale. He needs to throw it down underneath, but stop trying to create from the top of the key. Also who’s that midget white point guard, #2?
by Red Menace on Dec 10, 2008 1:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know about the White Lobster?
And are you referring to McKillop’s son, Brendan?
Is it too late to become a robber baron?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 10, 2008 2:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is crazy, hearing Cats B-ball talk on Redreporter, and on that note,..
Brendan McKillop HAS been playing way too damn much lately. Menace, Lovedale is just too damn nice of a guy. He’s a gentleman in person and plays like it on the floor. Needs to take lessons from the awkward looking Brit and start throwing down with authority, especially when he’s the strongest guy on the floor 90% of the time.
That being said, this team’s light years ahead of where it was last year at this time. And… the White Lobster is the best nickname in sports.
by chesirecat on Dec 10, 2008 3:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You shouldn't say things like that about somebody's mama.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Dec 10, 2008 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you guys see this one!!!
“Tracy Ringolsby says a Tim Redding for Willy Taveras swap is close but some details still need to be worked out. Dave Sheinin considers it an exchange of non-tender candidates.”
Gotta love him!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Nationals pick up another outfielder!
After they sign Dunn, they’ll have Kearns, Willingham, Dunn, Taveras, Milledge, Pena, Willie Harris, and Elijah Dukes. 8 ML caliber outfielders on one team. Leatherpants never ceases to amaze me.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 9, 2008 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aw Hell...
looks like we can still worry about Taveras.
by chesirecat on Dec 9, 2008 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is great via fivethirtyeight.com
"Running list of people and organizations that Rod Blagojevich thought he could leverage, bribe, cajole, or threaten:
President Elect Barack Obama
Warren Buffett
Bill Gates
Service Employees International Union
The Chicago Cubs
The Chicago Tribune
The American Red Cross
EDIT: and Children’s Memorial Hospital
Possibly also Lisa Madigan, Jesse Jackson Jr., and J.B. Pritzker, although those are more speculative."
That’s just awesome. What is he going to do, threaten to make them losers forever?
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 9, 2008 11:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i love fivethirtyeight.com
and nate silver was almost dead on for the popular vote, the only senate reason he got wrong was minesota, and the only state he was incorrect about was indiana
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So...
How high does Wieters move up the Beer League autodraft boards next year?
And yes, I’ve been responsible for the only new comments up and down this thread tonight. That’s what happens when you let a thread reach 300 comments before weighing in.
by Red Menace on Dec 10, 2008 2:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of autodrafts...Kudos to Caleb for not starting a fantasy RR basketball league.
Also the year end is coming and hopefully Ash (or someone cool) is working on the 2008 Red Reporter Awards.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Dec 10, 2008 3:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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