Freel traded for Ramon Hernandez
by Slyde
on Dec 9, 2008 4:01 PM EST
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It looks like it's a done deal. From Rosenthal:
The Reds have reached preliminary agreement with the Orioles on a trade that will send catcher Ramon Hernandez to Cincinnati for outfielder Ryan Freel and two prospects, according to a major-league source.
The deal is pending the approval of the commissioner's office, because it involves a cash transaction of more than $1 million.
On Monday, major-league sources said the deal would not be completed unless the Orioles picked up a significant portion of Hernandez's remaining salary.
Hernandez is owed $8 million in 2009 with a club option of $8.5 million or a $1 million buyout for 2010, meaning he is guaranteed $9 million.
The two questions are how much money and who are the prospects. We'll wait judgment on those two items until we have more information.
Three years ago, Hernandez was one of the top catchers in the game. The problem is that catchers don't tend to age well, and Hernandez is no exception. Here's his last 3 years numbers:
His projections aren't all that appealing as a hitter:
Compare those to Ryan Hanigan
It's hard to project defense at catcher - mainly because it's hard to measure defense at catcher - but I'd say that there is a very good chance that Hanigan will be a better defensive catcher than Hernandez next season.
All of this is to say once again that I don't mind Hernandez as a backup catcher, but I fear that is not how he will be used. There is this stigma that the higher paid player should start to justify the money, but I sure hope the Reds don't focus on that. The main reason is because I think that there is a much better chance of Hanigan matching Hernandez's power than the reverse happening with on base ability, and frankly the Reds project to not be very good at getting on base next year. Given his likely defensive superiority and the fact that he can actually get on base from time to time, there is no question in my mind that Hanigan should be the starter. Anybody think Dusty sees it that way?
As for Freel, well, he projects to be a worse hitter than Hernandez and that's assuming that he could actually stay healthy enough to be in the lineup. The trade does leave the Reds with a dearth of outfielders. At the point the starting outfield will be Bruce, Dickerson, and Norris Hopper. So, yeah, um, they need to fix that.
I don't think the addition of Hernandez is a large upgrade to the team, but it does help fill a hole. It's an awful lot of money to pay for a backup catcher, but it's not my money.
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I hope he does as well as our last Venezuelan catcher,
Bo Diaz. We just need to keep him away from his satellite dish.
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on
Dec 9, 2008 4:05 PM EST
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The prospect is all I care about
In a salary dump for Baltimore, I hope it’s someone like Belisle.
by Pops Daniels on
Dec 9, 2008 4:06 PM EST
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Wait
I’ve forgotten, is Belisle a possibility?
by Pops Daniels on
Dec 9, 2008 4:06 PM EST
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LIke it, though...
I think Hanigan and Hernandez will both see plenty of playing time, until or unless one of them demonstrates consistent superiority. I do think this solidifies catching around here for the next two seasons, so I’m glad for that.
Now, how about a corner outfielder? Any word on that?
by jamesp50014 on
Dec 9, 2008 4:07 PM EST
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He kinda seems like an expensive David Ross
I like him waaaay better than I liked Bako, but I was hoping for Zaun. Still, props to Jocketty for continuing his streak of unloading unfavorable contracts (even if he did take another one on).
by Brendanukkah on
Dec 9, 2008 4:10 PM EST
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I'm thinking he'll be starting on opening day, at least.
He’s the bigger name with the bigger contract. I do like that it gives Hanigan to opportunity to compete for the job instead of being given it out of ST. Either we have a decent veteran back there that’s better than Paul Bako, or we have badass rookie sensation Ryan Hanigan, who forces the Reds hand to give him the starting job. It’s almost a win-win situation.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on
Dec 9, 2008 4:14 PM EST
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Tonight's "talking yourself into it" award goes to.....
BK!!
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on
Dec 9, 2008 7:16 PM EST
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not so fast
I’ve requested sex tonight with my wife. She could still win the award.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on
Dec 9, 2008 7:17 PM EST
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Slyde demands a recount
Everyone get your paper ballots out.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on
Dec 9, 2008 7:18 PM EST
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you should really try to avoid using passive voice.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on
Dec 9, 2008 9:07 PM EST
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uh...?
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on
Dec 9, 2008 9:10 PM EST
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as opposed to active voice?
i don’t remember 7th great english
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on
Dec 9, 2008 9:11 PM EST
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i just like to be ironic
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by justin007000 on
Dec 9, 2008 9:17 PM EST
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you too huh?
good luck buddy!
by Charlie Scrabbles on
Dec 9, 2008 7:18 PM EST
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More likely she'll win the "8 Percodan and I get to listen to my iPod" Award
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by Man Mountain on
Dec 9, 2008 7:20 PM EST
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What form do you have to fill out for that?
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on
Dec 9, 2008 7:25 PM EST
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If she's lucky he'll file it in triplicate.
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by PeteyHendrix on
Dec 9, 2008 7:56 PM EST
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Hopefully Spring Training play is actually figured into the decision on who starts.
I’m okay with Hernandez starting if he earns it.
"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on
Dec 9, 2008 4:14 PM EST
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With his under-30% success rate
at throwing out runners, I seriously hope he doesn’t earn it. Because if he’s the best you got, wow, I’m sorry. At least the O’s have Wieters to look forward to.
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by duck on
Dec 9, 2008 4:51 PM EST
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Eh, he's gotta be better than Bako
Have fun with Freel’s under-30% success rate too.
by Brendanukkah on
Dec 9, 2008 4:54 PM EST
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God, worse than I remember
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by duck on
Dec 9, 2008 4:59 PM EST
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Thankfully the Reds front office
has never been overly concerned with defense.
by Brendanukkah on
Dec 9, 2008 5:03 PM EST
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Hernandez won't be a backup
Not with how much he’s making. He will start and give Dusty some veteran-y presence in the lineup.
All I can say is the TWO prospects the Reds are giving up better be shitty.
You went full retard. No one ever comes back from that. - Sgt. Osiris
by cesarhernandez on
Dec 9, 2008 4:14 PM EST
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Agreed.
Is Majewski a prospect?
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by 3 Fast 3 Furious on
Dec 9, 2008 4:16 PM EST
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I think Majewski has great prospects
For blowing ass as much as he did this past season and the season before it.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on
Dec 9, 2008 4:22 PM EST
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This is sort of like
spending $4M to take Farney and
…teach him to catch
…stop him from getting caught stealing at below league average success rate
…teach him Spanish
…teach him to shut up and listen to the manager, even when the manager is a Dustbrain.
…keep him from another DUI or strip club incident
…give him some power at the plate
That might be money well spent…except that Hernandez starting 5 times a week will be how Dusty mishandles the roster.
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"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on
Dec 9, 2008 4:16 PM EST
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I'd rather it be that roster mismanagement than batting Corey leadoff and playing Bako
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by BK on
Dec 9, 2008 4:18 PM EST
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Now it turns out...
We’ll only be spending $2M to do all that. I’m OK with this. I also like that Walt touted the benefits of signing free agents. Yummy.
I’d love for him to get us Adrian Beltre, trade EdE and Homer and fringe prospects to do it, and maybe pick up some delicious bargains as the free agent market collapses into itself. I honestly don’t think we’ll have a problem finding affordable quality outfielders in the leftover bin come February.
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by PeteyHendrix on
Dec 10, 2008 12:41 AM EST
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I have no doubt there will be affordable outfielders... quality, not so much.
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by BK on
Dec 10, 2008 8:22 AM EST
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I hear ya.
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"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on
Dec 10, 2008 1:07 PM EST
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when will we know who the prospects are?
i’m not too worried. more worried like everyone else about hernadez getting start time. but the fact the reds were willing to give hanigan playing time last year is of some comfort.
by Daedalus on
Dec 9, 2008 4:17 PM EST
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So are we officially not bringing Valentin back?
And what of Wilkin Castillo? Will he ever get to catch? Or is he our fourth outfielder right now (possibly starting LF)?
by Brendanukkah on
Dec 9, 2008 4:20 PM EST
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Ramones Hernandez should start!
Hannigan’s just a punk catcher.
by ken on
Dec 9, 2008 4:21 PM EST
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Wonder what sidnancy thinks.
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by Paul Householder on
Dec 9, 2008 4:23 PM EST
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The headline wasn't too bad
The body, though, was quite a stretch.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on
Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST
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I was gonna post a Ramones song
But I came across this little gem instead.
by Pops Daniels on
Dec 9, 2008 4:28 PM EST
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Yikes
I’m assuming you were going for this initially?
by Brendanukkah on
Dec 9, 2008 4:36 PM EST
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Why does everyone think Nick Cave is good?
Hes got a severe “oh jesus I hope nobody notices im not Ziggy Stardust” complex
No bees? Then who will sting me and walk on my sandwiches?
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Dec 9, 2008 8:10 PM EST
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i am watching the episode of the simpsons your sig is from right now...
odd that the line was said less than a minute after your post appeared
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on
Dec 9, 2008 8:14 PM EST
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Shut up...
No bees? Then who will sting me and walk on my sandwiches?
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What if I told you somewhere in this house I had a funny Ramones reference?
Now is that something you might be interested in?
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Dec 10, 2008 1:01 AM EST
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Vince never gets that part
Never
by Pops Daniels on
Dec 10, 2008 9:30 AM EST
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If he bats after Votto
We’d get the lineup of:
Joey
Ramon
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Dec 9, 2008 4:28 PM EST
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Okay
but I hope you don’t mind lots of half-assed attempts at blocking passed balls.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
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by jobe on
Dec 9, 2008 4:59 PM EST
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Dude, we're Reds fans
The last eight years have conditioned us to all forms of half-assery.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on
Dec 9, 2008 7:26 PM EST
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we have perfected halfed assery
and we can not only see your half assed attempts we can raise you a CoPa.
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by Caleb on
Dec 9, 2008 7:48 PM EST
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Highly unlikely we pick up the 10 option right?
8.5 mill or a 1 mill buyout?
Bruce Bonser? Boone Bonser? Boot Bonser? BOOSE BONZER?
by Lakeman on
Dec 9, 2008 4:23 PM EST
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i'm not too worried about Hernedez recieving too much playing time if Hanigan out performs him
Votto played more than Hatteberg,
Bruce wasn’t boxed out
Burton was the 8th inning guy
Cueto and Volquez won spots in the rotation over Fogg
Dusty wasn’t afraid to use Bray
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Dec 9, 2008 4:28 PM EST
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rec'd ...
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on
Dec 9, 2008 4:29 PM EST
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Counterexample
Corey Patterson remained on the team for 366 at-bats at an OPS+ of 48.
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by Paul Householder on
Dec 9, 2008 4:31 PM EST
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Corey Patterson should never have made the team
but how much playing time did he say when Griffey, Dunn, and Bruce were all on the active roster? The biggest misuse of Patterson occured early in the season when the Reds had other options.
After Dunn and Griffey were traded the Reds were running out of outfielders, so Dusty had to play the cards he dealt to himself. I am guessing if Griffey and Dunn weren’t traded Patterson would not have seen nearly as many at bats, or there was a more compelling answer.
I think Dusty’s bigger problem is that he liked Patterson to lead off.
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by justin007000 on
Dec 9, 2008 4:34 PM EST
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So are you agreeing with me?
If Corey should never have made the team, that must mean the Dusty can play favorites and mismanage the roster, which is I think the point of being afraind of having someone with a high salary (like Patterson or Hernandez) around when there are better and cheaper alternatives.
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by Paul Householder on
Dec 9, 2008 4:42 PM EST
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i am agreeing with you that Dusty mismanaged the roster
but i am also saying, that to a certain extent Corey Patterson’s playing time was affected by the Griffey and Dunn trade, plus Hairston’s, Freel’s and Hoppers injuries. I am guessing if two out of those three guys stayed healthy, Paterson would have had significantly less playing time, and maybe even sent back to Louisville.
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Dec 9, 2008 4:45 PM EST
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What about...
Bringing someone up from L’ville? (Dickerson)
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by Paul Householder on
Dec 9, 2008 4:46 PM EST
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and they did after the Dunn trade
but that was also Walt’s responsibility.
I believe that Patterson’s 300+ at bats were a travesty. But at the end he was all they had left. Which shows how little outfield depth the Reds had after the trades.
In September they could have gone out and claimed a Buck Coats off of waivers or something like that.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
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Dec 9, 2008 4:49 PM EST
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Of course I realize...
That using Corey Patterson as an example of bad management by Dusty Baker is a lot like Reductio ad Hitlerum, but no one said I had to be fair.
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And why subject yourself and others to dog Latin
when you could simply cite the Harang relief appearance example to convict Dusty on all counts?
The best part of this post: I typoed in the first draft, leaving the “o” out of the last word.
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The difference
Hanigan isn’t a prospect like the other 2 hitters.
But this isn’t a case of me being afraid of Dusty going with the veteran guy. I’m afraid that we see more Hernandez simply to justify the money spent.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on
Dec 9, 2008 4:31 PM EST
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I dunno
If you look at Dusty’s mismanagement, it was often one of turning a not-so-bad decision into a disaster.
When Patterson was playing, who should have started in front of him? The problem wasn’t Patterson starting, it was hitting him lead-off. When he used Harang and Volquez in the extra-inning game, yea he stupidly ran out of pitchers, but it was an 18 inning game; the mistake was using Harang again 3 days later.
Again, Hatteberg made much more money than Votto, yet Votto started. I’m confident the better player will start, but the decision after that is the one that troubles me.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on
Dec 9, 2008 4:39 PM EST
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it all depends on the prospects
of course i’d rather not spend so much on a catcher like him, but whatevs. Hernandez is not going to start 150 games like Jason Kendall, and he’s not any kind of drop off from Hanigan offensively (defense is another thing though). as long as the prospects we are sending them arent any of my faves, im cool with this.
oh man, and a fond farewell to Freel. he was my favorite player just a few years ago. how the Farney have fallen…
by Charlie Scrabbles on
Dec 9, 2008 4:30 PM EST
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baltimore fans seem happy to be parting ways with ramon
"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
by joshuar9476 on
Dec 9, 2008 4:31 PM EST
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why wouldn't they?
it opens a spot for matt wieters. i envy them.
by Daedalus on
Dec 9, 2008 4:37 PM EST
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I wish they were trying to open a spot where Brian Roberts used to play before they traded him to the Reds
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I wonder if there's anything to this besides racism, but
It looks like the Reds have more Hispanic pitchers than the Orioles did. Maybe conversing with his pitchers in Spanish might make Hernandez a slightly better performing catcher.
/almost… grasping… straw
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Dec 9, 2008 4:39 PM EST
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he bredan
fuck you and your mom
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by justin007000 on
Dec 9, 2008 4:41 PM EST
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I was wondering...
When you’d say that. It was getting a bit old.
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by Paul Householder on
Dec 9, 2008 4:45 PM EST
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grumpy?
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by justin007000 on
Dec 9, 2008 4:45 PM EST
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You have the power to ban him
Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
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by Slyde on
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I can feel the good inside of you...
Let go of your hate.
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by Paul Householder on
Dec 9, 2008 4:49 PM EST
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Heh
I’m actually going up to Baltimore tonight to see a one man performance of the Star Wars trilogy. Charm City: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
by Brendanukkah on
Dec 9, 2008 4:52 PM EST
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Haven't been to Cleveland lately, have you?
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by duck on
Dec 9, 2008 4:53 PM EST
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Going in two and a half weeks
My friend from Cleveland who now lives in Baltimore is convinced that they are the same city. Other than the fact that the Browns franchise can only play well in one of them.
by Brendanukkah on
Dec 9, 2008 4:55 PM EST
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Luckily, it's been B-more's turn this year
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by duck on
Dec 9, 2008 4:57 PM EST
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Except Cleveland is a supremely shitty city
and Baltimore’s a pretty good city. I don’t have enough bad things to say about Cleveland.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
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Dec 9, 2008 4:57 PM EST
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I'd certainly rather
spend a month in Baltimore than a week in Cleveland.
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by duck on
Dec 9, 2008 4:58 PM EST
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well you can take the train down to DC for $15 round trip
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
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Dec 9, 2008 4:58 PM EST
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Let's just agree that Detroit is worse than both of them
put together.
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Dec 9, 2008 5:00 PM EST
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Man, Detroit
barely edges out Cleveland for worst city in America. B-More’s one of the best.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
by jobe on
Dec 9, 2008 5:13 PM EST
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One night I spent a week Detroit's airport.
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"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
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Worst airport I've ever been in
I understand they’ve built a new terminal. I was not in it.
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yeah Northwest is never on time
the airport isn’t bad. I got to know it real well after my plane aborted it’s take off because of an engine failure.
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When I covered Marshall,
the Herd frequently played in the Motor City Bowl. Heck of a reward for a great season — minus-14 degree weather, a Silverdome that smelled like urine and Christmas in Detroit.
We Are ... Marshall!
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Dec 9, 2008 8:14 PM EST
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My last Bengals game
was this one. I think Coslet was fired the next day.
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Dec 9, 2008 4:57 PM EST
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"You don't live in Cleveland....
you live in Cincinnati!"
God Bless Sam Wyche.
And how many of you have that speech as a ringtone or waiting music on your cell phone? You know you do. I would if I lived in Cincy…
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Yes, that was him
He was very funny, and his humor mostly came from the nuances of line readings or movements, which impressed me. If you get a chance to see him, and you know the company manager of the theater he’s performing in so you can get free tickets, I highly recommend going.
by Brendanukkah on
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I miss the point
Speaking Spanish allows him to block the plate better?
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Dec 9, 2008 4:45 PM EST
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Si.
Better than Ross, who cannot catch things that are thrown at him (a requirement for most catchers).
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To be honest
I think that’s an asset that Ramon has that probably made him a more appealing target for Walt to pick up. As long as Cueto and Volquez are around, this team would be good to have a catcher that speaks fluent Spanish.
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bad news for Volquez
Because Hernandez has been terrible at throwing out SB attempts the past couple of years and Volquez let’s a lot of free passes to 1st.
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He can't be worse than Javy in that department.
Hey, at least we have a new flag to throw into the mix!
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"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
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Alex Gonzalez is Venezuelan
we got it covered
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Ah, I had forgot about that.
Nice catch.
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Never say never
He’s HORRIBLE at throwing out runners. He’ll sail more throws into CF than he will pick off runners. Trust me, I’ve seen it for 2 seasons now. HIs first wasn’t so bad with the O’s, the last two have been BRUTAL. I figure our staff ERA will go up at least 0.2 just by not having him call games. Really. I’m sorry you guys are stuck with him.
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Valentin + Volquez
I don’t see that Valentin ever started a game at catcher that Volquez pitched.
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A Jones-Freel-Markakis OF should be a lot of fun
I gotta get down to Bodymore some time next year.
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Stop by Charm City Cakes
and get me one that looks like a Reds fan taking a dump in a Cubs hat.
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oooh ... someone else who watched sir duff and the food network
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Duff is cool...
…but Geoff is the talent.
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Remeber that guy the Reds had
who put up an OPS+ of 95, and was a decent defensive catcher, and was Bronson’s favorite catcher, but the Reds inexplicably released?
I guess he is an example of Dusty’s bad managment, which undermines my argument above, because Dusty kept running Paul Bako out there, despite the fact that Ross had a better arm, and bat than Bako.
I really don’t know what Bako did well, since he couldn’t hit, couldn’t throw, was he good at preventing wild pitches?
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Slyde was Bako a good "back stop"
in that he allowed significantly less pass balls, and prevented more wild pitches than average?
I have realized that I cannot judge defensive statistics at all, and you have your lovely utility belt.
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not really
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
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so the only thing he had was "veteran presence"?
His lack of assets as a major league player really are amazing, no bat, no arm, not great and blocking pitches. But “he could call a good game”……..
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i'm putting it out there
paul bako is dating Dusty’s daughter.
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I'll rec that
(That’s what he said)
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The OPS against was better when he caught
but there is a lot of noise going on in there.
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but i think Ross got a lot of Bad'rroyo
I am going through the game log. He got plenty of bad’rrroyo. He also caught Harang at least 5 times during Harang’s “injury period”. It seems like he got a lot of Josh Fogg.
I remember the Dusty tried to start Bako on days when Volquez and Cueto pitched. So when a catcher is catching the teams top starting pitcher (at least as far as their ERA+ goes) and third best starting pitcher, it stands to reason he the opponents OPS+ will drop on the days he is catching.
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For almost a solid month in 2007
O’s fans were almost HAPPY to see Bako in the lineup, because it meant Razor wasn’t catching. That’s what you;re getting – a catcher that people wanted benched FOR Paul Bako.
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I figured that when we first signed him
because he presided over some real good pitching staffs in Oakland that he was a defensively sound catcher. I was wrong, he doesn’t give a shit about catching and cares alot more about being a plus hitter. He’s not a clubhouse cancer but….
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"I never use a big word when a diminutive one will work." — Pete Mackanin.
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Reds sign Livan Hernandez.
From the Seattle Times:
“UPDATE: 1:43 p.m.: Just got word that free agent starting pitcher Livan Hernandez has signed a deal with the Reds. It will be announced shortly. Hernandez went 13-11 with 6.05 ERA last year in Colorado and Minnesota.”
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That gets the ol' "Fuck the Heck?!"
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Hey, 13 wins.
That’s the stat that counts most with pitchers, right?
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I mean, wins are what counts in baseball.
We’re adding 13 wins! That makes us at least an 85 win team next year, right?
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Not an unprecedented type of Walt Jocketty move
putting a washed pitcher on the roster. Jeff Weaver easily pitched his best in the playoffs in ’06 for St. Louis.
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Also, the prospects going to Baltimore are rumored to be
Justin Turner and Brandon Waring. If so, that’s all right. I liked Turner and figured with the Orioles lack of organizational infield depth he’d be in the deal. Waring seems like a clout or an out guy to me.
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Anyone else think that seems like a lot?
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by BK on
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I guess it depends how much salary B'more is eating
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they are sending a million dollars
worth of crab cakes
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It is a bit steep.
I thought the Reds might get a little more cash when I heard two prospects were involved.
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Do we know how much cash we're getting?
I just heard “over $1 million.”
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yeah, seems like a lot
I would think that for someone like Hernandez, Freel and Turner or Freel, Waring, and a lower prospect would be enough. Unless the O’s are eating a lot of salary, I think Reds gave up too much.
I’m disappointed to lose Turner. I don’t think he’ll be a star or anything, but I think he’ll be one of those players that goes a good 4 or 5 years as an average starter somewhere.
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Do the two prospects
have an active heartbeat?
Then you overpaid.
Trust me, by the end of May, you will rue the day this trade was announced. Hate to be the bearer of bad tidings.
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The principal in the deal going your way might not have an active heartbeat by May.
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Livan Herndandez is bogus
the writer said he heard the name wrong. it is supposed to be Ramon
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Phew.
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As Marty would say,
have mercy.
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Dusty still insists...
We need to land one more giant former Marlin…
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Dec 9, 2008 5:34 PM EST
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that guy in seattle sucks at reporting
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
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wonder what that's like?
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maybe he was trying to say Beltre signed
but made a fay-tal mistake.
Tanzen!
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Can't blame this one on Hal.
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Dec 9, 2008 5:30 PM EST
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hello dave
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Wouldn't it suck
If you were absolutely horrible at your profession that you have been doing for 30 years? Would that mean you suck at life?
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that's kinda harsh
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
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i think he is a little passed his prime
He just doesn’t understand the value of statistical analysis. Ten years ago most people on this site probably wouldn’t have noticed that. I didn’t really begin to look at stats beyond ERA, bating average, RBI’s and Saves until 2005, when the Indians fan down the hall from me first introduced me to this stuff. Even still I didn’t think about it much until I joined this site (not knowing that it was a sabrameteric site, just thought that it had intelligent and humorous posters) in 2007.
The one thing I will say is after I turned 10 I realized that wins and loses are worthless stats. Maybe a generation ago when starting pitchers went much deeper into games wins and loses held a little more value (not to much more) because a starting pitcher had more control over his destiny.
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Ten years ago
this site was dedicated to rating photos of people’s girlfriends.
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Dec 10, 2008 1:31 AM EST
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The salad days.
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Enh...
Who cares. Livan Hernandez, Ramon Hernandez, Keith Hernandez, Jose Hernandez…all the same…
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
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that's racist!
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I don't get it.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
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Dec 9, 2008 5:22 PM EST
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That's justinest!
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you were saying that all hernandez's were the same.
it can be assumed that they are all hispanic, so you were insinuating that all hispanics were the same!
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Wow...
You’re starting to create a new branch to the meme…
1. [comment]
2. “That’s racist!”
3. “I don’t get it.”
4. Explains, knowing that #3 didn’t actually not get it.
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now you say
“hahahahahahahahahahah i tricked you”
it’s important to always end the hahahahahah with and h
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You forgot "PROFIT!!!"
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
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Loggins!
I’ve been doing my best to try to insert “Step 3: Loggins!” into the internet memeosphere, but it’s tough going. That South Park episode from 10 years ago is hard to displace. It was one of their most libertarian episodes, still…
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hahahahahahahahahahah i tricked you
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
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well played
almost as well played as the real paul householder…
is that you?
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Yes.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
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So this move adds
3.5 Mil to the payroll, but opens another hole. How much do we have left to spend now?
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I don't know about you
But I wasn’t really counting on Freel to be filling any holes next season. At least not as the primary option.
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Didn't you see his craigslist ad?
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I honestly figured
We would have a Freel/Dickerson Platoon in CF. I liked Freel, I understand why he was traded, but I am hating the thought that it now means more Norris Hopper, who is NOT a Major League caliber player, IMO.
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i still maintain that jim edmonds will be the new centerfielder
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that would be awesome!
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in 1998
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Am I the only one suspecting
that Dickerson will start in LF with a CF platoon of Hairston/Edmonds?
This is not an endorsement of this idea.
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Nope
We’ll get “the big bat” and platoon Hairston/Dickerson. With Cherry getting plenty of ABs at SS
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So, let's see if I have this straight.
The Reds sent Freel and Turner to the White Sox, Dye and Waring to the Orioles and wound up Livan Hernandez? Yeah, that’s about right.
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But who will be our third catcher?!?!?
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
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Livan
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
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He was born a pauper to a pawn on a Christmas day
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And he shall be a good man.
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
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This deal will all fall through during Freel's physical
When it is discovered he has three broken knees, scoliosis, a deviated septum and is pregnant.
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and no arms!
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Don't forget the crabs.
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disease free is important.
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
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In Baltimore?
Important in the way that a condor is important, I guess.
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plus they love crabs in baltimore
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because it reminded me of my friend in college who had scoliosis. we made fun of that guy mercilessly.
not because of his scoliosis, but because he was a total bag.
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then why was he your friend?
you’re judged by the company you keep, charlie
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you'd just have to meet the guy
i really cant explain it any better than that.
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eh...
i was just trying to be difficult…
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so the guy was kinda like 'tHan?
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so let me get this straight
Reds get:
Hernandez
+ 1 million dollars
O’s get:
Freel
Turner
Waring
losing Freel is kinda bittersweet, as he was once my favorite Red. but he’s long past his sell-by date. i really like Turner, but he’s not a huge loss. Waring im fine with losing. i think we should have gotten more cash, as this only covers his buyout for next year, but if the money is the biggest sticking point i dont have a problem with it. i think the O’s got the better end of the deal but its not a bad trade.
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It's AT LEAST 1 million dollars
I haven’t seen a definite amount yet, but since it was at least 1 mil, it had to go through the commish’s office.
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Sheldon is saying its a cool mil
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Why didn't they just make if $999,999 then?
Did they really want the commissioner to have to sign off on it, for no particular reason?
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Bud's signature is worth $2.75
So they made a better deal by getting him to sign-off on it.
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I disappointed to lose Turner for someone like Hernandez
You always want guys you like to be traded for impact players – even if they aren’t necessarily worthy of such a deal. I’m outrageously meh about Hernandez. Hate to lose Turner in a deal like that.
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One fewer trading chip for the rest of the off season as well
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im disappointed in losing Turner too
i think he could have been a decent major leaguer, but its not a huge loss. yeah, it sucks to see the Reds lose out on yet another trade and spend up a decent prospect, but im not broken up about it. like i said, i think they lost the trade, but not horribly.
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oh, I'm not broken up about it
just melancholy
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i wouldnt go so far as melancholy
but i get ya
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well there are other, non-Justin Turner related, extenuating circumstances to my melancholy
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it's ok, slyde
i’ll be over my cold in a day or two!
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I've been having a hard time since you announced to the site that you are sick
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on
Dec 9, 2008 7:15 PM EST
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i know...
but i think i’ll be able to fight through this thing…
so don’t let it get you down!
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by chandrathan on
Dec 9, 2008 7:16 PM EST
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It could be a tumor...
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on
Dec 9, 2008 7:58 PM EST
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boys have a penis, girls have a vagina...
see what i did there?
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by chandrathan on
Dec 9, 2008 7:59 PM EST
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Yeah...you slipped the word vagina into the thread.
That’s solid.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on
Dec 9, 2008 8:00 PM EST
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nope...that's not it!
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by chandrathan on
Dec 9, 2008 8:02 PM EST
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Non Sequitor: Talk Dirty to Me, Honey
From the indictment of Governor Rod Blagojevich and John Harris, this gem:
13…. b. Defendants Rod Blagojevich and John Harris, together with others, offered to, and threatened to withhold from, the Tribune Company substantial state financial assistance in connection with Wrigley Field, which assistance Rod Blagojevich believed to be worth at least $100 million to the Tribune Company, for the private purpose of inducing the controlling shareholder of the Tribune Company to fire members of the editorial board of the Chicago Tribune, a newspaper owned by the Tribune Company, who were responsible for editorials critical of Rod Blagojevich ….
Which sets up this:
73. In another call between Rod Blagojevich and Deputy Governor A that occurred a short time later on November 3, 2008, Rod Blagojevich and Deputy Governor A discussed an editorial from the Chicago Tribune regarding the endorsement of Michael Madigan and calling for a committee to consider impeaching Rod Blagojevich. During the call, Rod Blagojevich’s wife can be heard in the background telling Rod Blagojevich to tell Deputy Governor A "to hold up that fucking Cubs shit… fuck them." Rod Blagojevich asked Deputy Governor A what he thinks of his wife’s idea. Deputy Governor A stated that there is a part of what Rod Blagojevich’s wife said that he "agree[s] with." Deputy Governor A told Rod Blagojevich that Tribune Owner will say that he does not have anything to do with the editorials, "but I would tell him, look, if you want to get your Cubs thing done get rid of this Tribune."
Seedy Political Graft, Threatening Phone Calls, Fucking of the Cubs. Rapture.
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on
Dec 9, 2008 6:56 PM EST
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i was floored by this stuff
i mean, this is the kind of political super villainy that only happens in Metropolis and Gotham City. totally unreal.
by Charlie Scrabbles on
Dec 9, 2008 7:00 PM EST
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If I'd seen the movie yet
I’m sure I’d copy some quote from The Joker or the guy with the square chin and then post a picture from The Dark Knight of said character.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on
Dec 9, 2008 7:02 PM EST
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I dunno if it goes to that level.
There’s no busload of terminally ill orphans involved.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on
Dec 9, 2008 7:02 PM EST
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As someone who grew up with Edwin Edwards in the Governor's mansion
I find this all a little quaint.
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on
Dec 9, 2008 7:09 PM EST
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you made that name up
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by chandrathan on
Dec 9, 2008 7:10 PM EST
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All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on
Dec 9, 2008 7:14 PM EST
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That's what ruined my first marriage
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on
Dec 9, 2008 7:16 PM EST
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Which?
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
by Gray on
Dec 9, 2008 7:17 PM EST
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oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't clear
“or” also includes the possibility of “and”, right?
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by Slyde on
Dec 9, 2008 7:20 PM EST
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Rahm Emanuel is going to take this guy to the woodshed
by Dave from Louisville on
Dec 9, 2008 7:11 PM EST
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I think he'll send him fishing
/C’mon, you knew a Godfather reference was coming
Duck Around - a progressive blog about the Eastern Shore of Maryland. And getting off my lawn.
by duck on
Dec 9, 2008 8:23 PM EST
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Mayor Daley still clean as a whistle
he probably had nothing to do with this, but he and his old man had a way of remaining innocent while those around them were guilty.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on
Dec 9, 2008 9:21 PM EST
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in other news
today continues to be a banner day for America
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on
Dec 9, 2008 10:00 PM EST
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so we lose Freel gain Hernandez
we still have Hanigan. SO who is our third catcher? And have we resigned CoPa yet?
Remember if a Democrat wins it's a mandate, if a Republican wins it's a law suit
by Caleb on
Dec 9, 2008 7:07 PM EST
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Hey~
Caleb is here!
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by chandrathan on
Dec 9, 2008 7:08 PM EST
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reports of my demise are greatly ...
ok, so they were only slightly exagerated but either way I am here. Anyone going to be at Redsfest on Saturday?
Remember if a Democrat wins it's a mandate, if a Republican wins it's a law suit
by Caleb on
Dec 9, 2008 7:26 PM EST
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i plan to be
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by chandrathan on
Dec 9, 2008 7:27 PM EST
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Can I ride with you?
My car is full of babies.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on
Dec 9, 2008 7:43 PM EST
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sadly
i can’t tell if this is a joke or not
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by chandrathan on
Dec 9, 2008 7:46 PM EST
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I keed
Although we ARE one seat short from everyone riding in the same vehicle. Unless I put the boy in the cargo area of the Explorer.
I think I will be there Saturday, but not positive yet. I have to do Festival of Lights at some point and if it’s not this weekend it will the weekend of the 27th.
Screw it, I’ll figure it out tonight and send the email in the morning. If anyone else is interested email me.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on
Dec 9, 2008 7:56 PM EST
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send the email and then i will respond to that email
and if you have further questions, you can respond to my email
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by chandrathan on
Dec 9, 2008 7:57 PM EST
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Ryan Jorgensen
They took him back despite the PED thing, so they must like him.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on
Dec 9, 2008 7:37 PM EST
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chad moeller filed for free agency...
by Daedalus on
Dec 9, 2008 8:05 PM EST
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how'd you get the scoop on bubbafan?
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by chandrathan on
Dec 9, 2008 8:06 PM EST
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