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Monday night update: What things look like right now

I'm going to steal a lot of this from John Fay since he put up a broad report this evening:

  • It sounds like the rumor right now with the most teeth is the one with the Orioles where Ramon Hernandez and Ryan Freel are the principles:
    Walt Jocketty did not confirm the Reds are talking to the Baltimore Orioles about catcher Ramon Hernandez but he didn't deny it either.

    "We've had conversations with a number of clubs," he said. "I'm not going to mention names. I can't mention names."

    Jocketty's facial expression at the mention of Hernandez's name said more than non-denial.

    I'm not opposed to trading Freel or acquiring Hernandez, but Hernandez would be awfully expensive for a backup and I'm not convinced that he'd be better than Hanigan behind the plate or at the dish.

  • The Reds are also talking with the agents for David Weathers and Cherry Hudson Jr.  Having Hairston back makes more sense if Freel is traded.  Weathers will be back since he accepted arbitration, but I'm sure the Reds would much rather sign him than go to the arbitration table.  Just please don't do more than one guaranteed year.
  • They're still talking to Arthur Rhodes:
    'We're still talking," Jocketty said. "He hasn't accepted it. . . I'm very happy with the bullpen (since Weathers accepted arbitration). We've got a lot depth from the right side. I'd like add a left-hander. That's where Arthur Rhodes comes in. It would be nice to have aguy with his experience, the quality of guy like that. There are a couple of other people that fit that description."

    There are other lefties out there that I'd rather have, but maybe Rhodes could be had for cheap. Last year he signed on a minor league deal and in 2007 he made just $1M. He struck out 40 in 35 innings last season (with 16 walks and *cough* 8 HRs). Not the ideal guy, but might be a decent stopgap from the left side.

  • Trades look most likely as Jocketty sums up the free agent market thusly:
    Right now, free agents are still pretty expensive. It's possible we may sit for a while before we do anything.

    I'm not too bothered by that, though it does make it a pain to run a blog.

  • Hal McCoy is floating the name of Miguel Tejada out there.  He is determined to get Homer Bailey traded this off-season.  Dusty Baker's not in such a hurry for that though:
    "He's only 22. He's way ahead of his class. Most of class just coming and going to A ball. His name comes up because he was so highly touted and you don't have to pay him very much. You won't have to pay him much two or three years. But we're not give-way business."

Things have really picked up over the last couple of days.  Please keep posting rumors as you see them, but remember, they're just rumors.  Let's not lose our heads over them.

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Ken Rosenthal sez

that the deal is Freel AND a mid-level prospect for Hernandez. The hold-up is the Reds wanting the Orioles to kick in some $$$$.

Freel and a prospect? Ummm, no thanks, I’ll pass.

You went full retard. No one ever comes back from that. - Sgt. Osiris

by cesarhernandez on Dec 8, 2008 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

I’m not even sure I’d do that if the O’s put up some money. I’d rather Bob spent his money than give up a prospect.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Dec 8, 2008 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

HOLY shat, batman

8 mil for Hernandez? Wowza. Granted, Freel is probably a sunk cost at 4 mil as I’m not remotely confident he can stay off the DL. He’s one concussion from actually assuming the Farney persona full time.

Can someone call Jack McKeon and get his opinion before acquiring any high priced vets?

by obc2 on Dec 8, 2008 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Another rumor

Jay Leno is staying at NBC after his Tonight Show run is done. He’ll be on every night at 10pm. That sounds like a really bad idea.

Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.

by Slyde on Dec 8, 2008 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

Conan is awesome

but belongs in NY, not LA

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by xjjeep90 on Dec 8, 2008 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Network TV is on its last legs

Right up there with Blockbuster video and department stores – the end is in sight.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Sir Winston Churchill

by Madville on Dec 8, 2008 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Department stores are safe from extinction

SOME stores will have to stay open, because XMAS shopping is a sport to the ladies:

Sadly, everyone in this photo perished. Every one.

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get it.

Often wrong, never uncertain.

by sidnancy on Dec 9, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I am sure

that explaining my lame joke will make it exponentially funnier.

"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

sad.

still sad.

Youth wins games; veteran presence wins championships!

by ben nevis on Dec 9, 2008 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd dump Freel for CH

Hernandez had a couple of good years with San Diego and 1 with the Os. Looks like he’s beginning to fad. He did get in 133 games last season. I’d hate to give Rameriz

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by Madville on Dec 8, 2008 9:25 PM EST reply actions  

you and Cutler both dig Ramirez

I cant fathom a scenario where Owings isnt the 5th starter this season.

by obc2 on Dec 8, 2008 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

i can't imagine Ramirez being anything more than a servicable middle relief pitcher

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2008 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Ram-Ram had a few pretty nice outings last year

I thought he kept his composure well and exceeded expectations in most of his starts. No doubt he’d be a better 5th starter than Josh Fogg…

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Dec 8, 2008 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I love how we Reds fans fall in love with guys who do halfway decent in one or two starts at the end of the year and try to build around that.

I sware there are still people on Fay’s blog asking about Bobby Livingston everyday!

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 8, 2008 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

i have a thing for Livingston

like i had a thing for Paul Wilson. I do enjoy watching a guy who can’t break window glass make the opposition look silly.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2008 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

this must be a purely theoretical enjoyment

All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.

by Man Mountain on Dec 9, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

With regards to Bailey.......I couldn't agree with Dusty more.

I have been impressed with the way Dusty has handled the Homer situation from day one. He manages to put everyone perspective, while offering Homer encouragement.

Comments like “He’s way ahead of guys in his class” and “It’s not easy be being Homer Bailey” when talking about how he was brought up to be the savior of the franchise and then failing to live up to the hype.

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 8, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Arthur Rhodes?

Wow… Gotta love that veteran presence.

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Dec 8, 2008 10:24 PM EST reply actions  

Did we already shoot down the idea

of Joe Beimel?

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by xjjeep90 on Dec 8, 2008 10:44 PM EST reply actions  

Ramon Hernandez actually has a pretty solid projection.

.323 wOBA averaging Marcel/Bill James.

Give him 500 PAs and league average defense and he’s about +3 WAR.

I don’t know if he’s a league average defender. knock him down 5-10 runs and he’s still pretty valuable at even $8 million.

by Nick Papageorgio on Dec 8, 2008 10:46 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

i would think the Reds could get the O’s to kick in enough money to even out the salaries, or close to it, and as long as the prospect we kick in is someone like Shaun Cumberland or Sean Henry and not someone important, im all for it.

im not sure on his defense, but Justin has him at -8 last year. but if he can wOBA at .323, that is still a pretty valuable catcher.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 8, 2008 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm starting a Zaunist movement

Who’s with me? Scrabbles? Cy? Let’s make this happen! The man’s website plays “Mr. Brownstone” for fuck’s sake!

by Brendanukkah on Dec 8, 2008 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's do it!

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Dec 8, 2008 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

yawn

wake me up when he starts listening to The Doobs.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2008 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHA
Zaun refused to meet with Mitchell to discuss the allegations, and has publicly denied them, claiming that he owed a teammate money and sent a blank check, which was later used to buy steroids.

“Yeah, that money I owe you? Here, I’ll just sign this here check and you write it out for whatever you think is fair.”

That’s some funny shit.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Dec 9, 2008 5:43 PM EST up reply actions  

So if Baltimore picks up the tap then.....

We need to be asking ourselves what prospect is worth 4 million or 8 million? He also has a 1 mi buyout next year.

I am not against given up a prospect, which is not a projected need of the MLB club in the next 2 years, for salary relief if it helps free up salary to land a power bat we need.

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 8, 2008 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

Freel heart's Dusty

I know Freel is everyone’s favorite……..

But you guys remember when he pulled that he said / she said bullshit with Dusty last year. That’s why he’s not going to be here on Opening day, because he pulled a punk move and cried to the media. Who does he think he is Chad Ocho Cinco?

Also it looks like he has no arms in this picture.

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 8, 2008 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

must be the pain killers

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Dec 8, 2008 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Freel's a real trooper, sans arms.

You should see him try to tie his cleats. I know it’s cruel, but I just can’t stop pointing and giggling at him while he tries to make “the big bunny ears”.

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Thankfully science has come through and allowed Freel to live a normal life

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We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

green'd

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Is this his mugshot after that DUI he got on Opening Day of '05?

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Dec 9, 2008 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd pay a million dollars for that hat!

"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone has kids

Or smokes dope while hanging out in his dorm room.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Dec 9, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait...

Can’t I smoke dope in my kid’s dorm room?

"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

the problem with Reds fans and Freel is emotional

we all have a Freel moment. Don’t even pretend that you don’t. Mine happened August 8th, 2006. The Reds went on to win 10-3 but Freel made a game changing catch in the 5th. (I think this was the day Farny was born). The Reds were in second place just 3 1/2 games behind St. Louis, in game 2 of a four game series against the Cardinals. Bob decided to “pack the house” with dollar hot dogs and half price tickets, my friend and I were sitting field level just a little passed first base. It was the top of the 5th, and the Reds were up 4-1, but Milton was in trouble. He opened the inning with back to back singles, and Puljols was up. Fucking Albert Puljols the man gives me nightmares. Puljols hit a shot to deep right center field, he fucking creamed that ball… It seemed like it had bases clearing (potentially making the score 4-3 with no men out) gapper written all over it. But Ryan Freel made the fucking play of the season, I still don’t know how he caught that ball. I know every Reds fan on this board remembers seeing it. I remember watching it, thinking oh my god, there is no way he will catch it, oh my god he is diving, is the ball in his glove, and then he raised his glove and the umpire raised his fist. The full house was electrified, we were all chanting Fre-eal Fre-eal. It lasted for several minutes and continued through the next few plays and all of his at bats.

If he didn’t make that catch 2 runs would have been in making it 4-3, the floodgates may have opened and Milton may not have survived that inning. As it stood Milton got out of the inning with only giving up one run, and made it through the 6th. The Reds bats just opened up on the Cardinals and put the game out of reach in the alte innings.

I know one catch in one game isn’t enough to decide the value of a player. But almost every Reds fan has a Ryan Freel moment like that. But even with that considered, it is time to let Freel go if we can.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I must confess

I have a Freel #6 Red’s t-shirt from like 2005. I ripped the FREEL letters off last year when he cried about that playing time bullshit.

But to your point, for a long time Freel, Dunn, and the first seven innings a game Harang would start would be the reason i kept watching.

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 9, 2008 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I was at that game

It was quite the play.

Of course, he also misplayed Taguchi’s single into a triple; luckily, it didn’t cost the Reds.

Often wrong, never uncertain.

by sidnancy on Dec 9, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

crazy 3-way trade idea

It says here that a straight-up Jonathan Sanchez for Encarncion deal seems unlikely. If not a straight up deal, then maybe….

Encarnacion to SF, Alonso to LA, Sanchez to LA, Beltre and Ethier to CIN. Probably we’d have to kick in another prospect to SF.

Sure, it’s biased, but it’s fun.

by bbjones on Dec 8, 2008 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

except Alsono can not be traded until August of 2009

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

kablam

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Dec 9, 2008 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

picky picky

Volquez can’t be rookie of the year.

Signs, signs, everywhere a sign, blockin’ out the scenery, breakin’ my mind.

by bbjones on Dec 9, 2008 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

My old band opened for THE FIVE MAN ELECTRICAL BAND many years ago at the Agora Theatre in columbus Oh,

Strange long haired freaky people in this band

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Sir Winston Churchill

by Madville on Dec 9, 2008 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

That's cool!

"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

He could be

traded as a PTBNL in February.

Not that I’m in favor of trading him…

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 9, 2008 6:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Who's Beltre?

The guy who plays in Seattle?

by Red Menace on Dec 9, 2008 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

whoo boy.

Am I that dumb? It’s not 2004?

I guess I am.

I’m done playing GM.

by bbjones on Dec 9, 2008 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

eh... it's late.

That would be a genius trade for LA… They’d give up a player from another team.

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Dec 9, 2008 1:47 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I like it

now throw in some profanity and you’re on your way.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 9, 2008 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Fresh from the summer stock production of " The Search for the Holy Grail".

C’mon you wanker I’ve got you right where I want you…..

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Sir Winston Churchill

by Madville on Dec 9, 2008 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

From the baseless rumor department

Reds heart Francoeur?

Another interesting tidbit from Monday came via a Major League source, who said the Reds may have some interest in Jeff Francoeur. But the Braves are still providing every indication that they aren’t actively shopping Francoeur.

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 12:43 AM EST reply actions  

Braves are pretty high on Francoeur...

Getting him would involve giving up some MAJOR talent… Homer Bailey wouldn’t even be mentioned… Volquez, Cueto, Votto.

People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.

by crolfer on Dec 9, 2008 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Jeff Francoeur?

He does drive in some runs – maybe he’d hit less doubles and more HRs a GABP…He’d be decent in CF. And he’s like 25. OK, lets get him.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Sir Winston Churchill

by Madville on Dec 9, 2008 7:14 AM EST up reply actions  

he also can't take a walk to save his life

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

a couple years ago.....

didn’t he go like 90 or 100 Abs without taking a walk at the start of the season?

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 9, 2008 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

actually i don't think he can take a pitch to save his life

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

and yet

he only swung at 2% more of his pitches than Brandon Phillips.

It makes sense that the Reds would be interested in Francoeur. Career .312 OBP – he’d fit right in with this group.

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Mets sign K-Rod

And MLB Trade Rumors adds this blurb:

Jon Heyman says the Mets appear to be closing in on a deal with K-Rod, likely for three years and about $37MM. The gap was apparently closed when the Mets guaranteed a third year. Just a year ago, a lesser, older free agent closer, Francisco Cordero, received four years and $46MM.

All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?

by BubbaFan on Dec 9, 2008 6:36 AM EST reply actions  

yes, but...

umm. okay, that deal is looking less good. Cordero did have a good year, though.

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by JJ on Dec 9, 2008 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Did that deal ever look good?

It may have been necessary, but it was never good.

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Well put.

"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Well... That just sucks....

Why couldn’t we have waited until the economy tanked to go closer shopping?

by chesirecat on Dec 9, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Chris Snyder is available,

per Rosenthal. Arizona looks like it’s trying to shed as much money as San Diego this winter. Snyder hit .237/.348/.452 last year as the starting catcher.

by ken on Dec 9, 2008 7:25 AM EST reply actions  

Rejoice, Reds fans!

Bill Hall going to the AL? Per Ken Rosenthal via C. Trent:

The Brewers were close to re-signing third baseman Mike Lamb on Monday, a move that could lead to a trade of Bill Hall.

The Yankees are among the teams that have expressed interest in Hall, who could fill a utility role in both the infield and outfield for New York.

However, Hall’s remaining salary — $6.8 million in 2009 and $8.4 million in 2010 with a $9.25 million or $500,000 buyout for 11 — would be a significant obstacle to any deal.

The Yankees also have interest in Brewers center fielder Mike Cameron, who — like Hall — is close friends with the team’s principal free- agent target, left-hander CC Sabathia. Hall and Sabathia attended the Oscar De La Hoya fight Saturday in Las Vegas.

Lamb will rejoin the Brewers at the minimum salary, with his previous team, the Twins, paying the rest of the $3 million that he is owed in 2009. Lamb and Hall could form a left-right platoon at third for the Brewers if no trade is made. —Ken Rosenthal and Ed Price

Please, please let this happen.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Dec 9, 2008 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

I've lost respect for Ripken the lesser

That story from the link is priceless.

“When people recognize me, I see the look on their face. They think of the card immediately and, before they even ask, I say, ‘Yeah, it was me.’ I don’t know if it happens daily, but, to this day, it still happens a couple of times a week.”

by ken on Dec 9, 2008 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

i have a feeling

if Billy Hall played 80 games at GABP every year he would be an MVP candidate.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2008 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

As long as he's not on a team playing the Reds, I'm happy.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Dec 9, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Also from Rosenthal

Apparently we like Jeremy Hermida as well:

Rosenthal names the Braves, Reds, and Rays as teams interested in Jeremy Hermida, though nothing is close.

So there’s that.

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Dec 9, 2008 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

yuck

he’s just not that good. he had a great year in ‘07, but im afraid it was a BABIP fluke. if we are going for faded prospects, i’ll take Delmon Young and Slyde can go climb a tree.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

you know

i take some of that back. ZIPS, Marcel, and James all like him for an OPS+ ~115 with decent LF defense. as long as we are trading them a few 2nd tier prospects and none of our top guys, i’d be fine with it.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 9, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

it really depends on where someone stands on each player

If you choose to see Bailey as a 22-year old with some serious upside, you’d think he’s enough for Dye. However, if all you see of Bailey is the guy that can’t get anybody out in the Majors, then yeah, he’s not enough.

Similarly, if you think of Dye as the cornerstone of a playoff team last season then you can’t believe the Sox would trade him. However, if you think of him as a 35-year old with knee troubles in the past, a large contract, who is a lousy defender and not consistent enough to project much more than a 115 OPS+, then you wonder why the Reds would even want him.

I fall somewhere in the middle on Bailey and firmly on the latter point on Dye.

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

you and your reason

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Jon Heyman can go stand at the center of the Agora

he’s still one of the worst baseball writers around.

All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.

by Man Mountain on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

MOM! The Dodgers are hogging all the infielders!

Dem Bums signed Casey Blake and Mark Loretta today. Blake got a three year deal worth $17.1 million, and Loretta signed a one year deal worth $1.25 million to be the primary backup infielder at all four positions. You gotta wonder about a three year deal for Blake, since he will be 38 by the end of it. But maybe this helps make Adrian Beltre expendable, right bbjones?

by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

Guess Hu should be available

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

He should be Hu?

"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Hu do you mean?

"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Two comments

1. Even if he’s no better than Hanigan, I’ve got no problem swapping Hernandez for Freel. Sure, he’ll cost too much money, but (a) it’s not likely to block another move, and (b) it isn’t my money. If you think Hanigan should start, and Hernandez will be no worse, then there won’t be a step down to the “backup”; if Dusty decides on Hernandez’s veteraniness over Hanigan, it won’t be detrimental.

2. Reason #583 I don’t understand the Dye talk. Nick Swisher is likely to be a better player in ‘09 and in the future, is 7 years younger, is cost-certain for 3 years (3/$21M plus $10.25M/$1M buyout), and didn’t bring anything near Bailey++ on trade. Swisher would have been a much, much better option for the Reds.

Often wrong, never uncertain.

by sidnancy on Dec 9, 2008 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

Milwaukee throwing a wrench in the works?

From MASN via mlbtraderumors.com:

“An agent who represents one of the Orioles told me that the club is "as close as it’s been” to trading catcher Ramon Hernandez.

We assume that Hernandez is going to the Cincinnati Reds, but it’s interesting that the Milwaukee Brewers apparently jumped into the mix. That’s what this agent was told by one of his contacts in Milwaukee. He said the Brewers regard Hernandez as an upgrade over Jason Kendall.

Kendall hit .246 with two homers, 49 RBIs and a .324 slugging percentage. He played in 151 games, an unbelievable total for a catcher.

His defense was exceptional this season, so we’ll have to define “upgrade.”

Again, Hernandez is likely headed to Cincinnati, but the Brewers at least were part of trade discussions at some point, and might be lurking in the shadows."

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Dec 9, 2008 1:49 PM EST reply actions  

Fay

Who decided to send this guy to Vegas? He added a new blog entry 30 minutes ago. He informed us that hasn’t heard anything new and then quotes MLBTR. Nice work!

by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 9, 2008 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

And the blind guys says...

…“Do you see any free agent lefties?”
The dyslexic guy says “I’m not sure, but Rosetrent just ate Dennys Reyes.”

"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

he just might find carp at the seafood buffet

Youth wins games; veteran presence wins championships!

by ben nevis on Dec 9, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if that typo was intentional, but rec'd either way

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Dec 9, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

it was brendan

you can bet it was inentional

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

he bredan

fuck you and your mom

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Dec 9, 2008 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

fuck you lady!

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

if i could come up with a way to make it make sense

i would try to explain it away as intentional

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

you have a cold

All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.

by Man Mountain on Dec 9, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

...or a harelip

All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.

by Man Mountain on Dec 9, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

i do have a cold

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Dec 9, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

With junkets like this,

it’s no wonder newspapers are struggling.

by ken on Dec 9, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

IT is amazing the Bowden still has a job

Things Jim Bowden has done and still has a job
1. Has 4-5 outfielders that fight for playing time on every team he has ever ran
2. Trades starting pitchers for nothing
3. Fails to trade Soriano at the deadline a few years back
4. Fails to sign his first round pick
5. Loses consistently
6. Wears leatherpants

Sorry i just saw a few rumors where his team is interested in like 3 more outfielders and I think it’s hilarious. That team will be horrible for forever.

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 9, 2008 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah. Supposedly he's talking about

sending Tim Redding to Colorado for Dexter Fowler, a very toolsy OF. Go figure. I don’t think the Rockies will do that, though. He also is interested in Carlos Gonzalez, another toolsy OF.

We Are ... Marshall!

by Thundering Turtle on Dec 9, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

do you ever wonder how 1994, 1995, 1999, and 2000 happened?

I for one do not know.

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

well, it helped to have Barry Larkin playing shortstop

and one of the highest payrolls in the league. From 1992 to 1997, the Reds were 7th, 2nd, 7th, 6th, 6th, and 8th in payroll in the Majors. In 1998 they dumped a bunch of salary, allowing them to make a couple of large moves in 1999, specifically acquiring Neagle, Wohlers, and Greg Vaughn. Add to that some surprise years by youngsters and that’s how 1999 worked out.

The problem with Bowden is that his plans suck when he has no money to spend.

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

slyde, that was a rhetorical question

"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack

by justin007000 on Dec 9, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Thus

The only teams more ill-suited for his “guidance” would be the Pirates, Rays, and Royals. I feel so sorry for those fans in the nation’s capital.

by chesirecat on Dec 9, 2008 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

This just gets better and better!!!

“Tracy Ringolsby says a Tim Redding for Willy Taveras swap is close but some details still need to be worked out. Dave Sheinin considers it an exchange of non-tender candidates.”

Thanks Jim! Get Taveras off the market for us!!!

by Dave from Louisville on Dec 9, 2008 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Tejada is due some BIG cash
Contract Info
Signed a $72 million, six-year contract in December 2003. Tejada received a $12 million signing bonus, with $4 million payable in 2004 and $2 million each in 2005, 2006, 2010 and 2011. He receives yearly salaries of $3 million in 2004, $9 million in 2005, $10 million in 2006, $12 million in 2007, $13 million in 2008 and $13 million in 2009.

So if my math is wrong, and it always is, Miggy will be due $13M in ‘09, plus bonuses of $2M each the following 2 years. So that’s $17M for ONE year of a 34-year-old SS, when we already have a 32-year-old $5.875M (including 2010 buyout) SS who is a giant question mark.

We’d be giving up prospects for a one-year rental that would have us spending over $23M at SS. I’m sure the Astros will take on some of that salary, but I can’t imagine that they would ever take on enough for this to be a good idea.

"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

Bowden

has been a GM for 16 seasons with 4 winning, 9 losing and 3 – .500 seasons. His team has only gone to the playoffs one time. We probably would have gone the strike year as well.

Another guy who has been around frever, with pretty lousy results, is Dombrowski. He has benn a GM for 20 years with 4 winning seasons, 13 losing seasons and 3 – .500 seasons. His teams have won 2 Wilcards, 2 Pennants and 1 WS.

by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 9, 2008 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

Jocko

14 season: 9 winning, 5 losing, 7 Division Titles, 2 Pennants, 1 WS

by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 9, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Just giving the facts,

not the reasons.

by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 9, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I know,

but it will be interesting to see if Jocko can Dusty-proof the roster. I’ll personally send him Valentine’s Day cards if he can do that.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 9, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

No matter what Jocketty does,

Dusty will still find a way to get some POS like Hairston/Hopper a few hundred AB’s.

by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 9, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Fay thinks this thing is done, awaiting approval from the commish

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Dec 9, 2008 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

what thing would that be, Mr. the King?

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Nevermind the broken link, Fay took down the blog entry

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Dec 9, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

No

It’s still there.

Always embed your links to Fay’s blog because their URLs are unnecessarily long.

And I love that page 2 of comments start with someone insulting a person who is making valid points. Ah the mouth breathers.

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, new link.

Teh Fay

"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands

by BK on Dec 9, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Fay

seems downright giddy. He’s in Vegas for shit’s sake. He needs to head on out to the Laddicac Ranch.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 9, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought he was staying at Gellabio...

"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

He cant wate to trey his hand at Roolet.

Or perpash Tesax Hollum.

"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

So, can we assume that more than $1 million is changing hands?

He asked, hoping that the O’s were picking up some of the salary.

by Brendanukkah on Dec 9, 2008 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

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