Eight Seasons of Losing: What kind of team does that make?
by Slyde on Dec 4, 2008 10:51 AM EST
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I'm feeling sadistic today. For some reason I've been pondering all of the bad players the Reds have had over the last 8 years and I thought it would be fun (see, sadistic) to take a look at what the roster of futility might look like. Come join me, won't you?
(My selection criteria is minimum 10 games played at the position over the last 8 years)
Catcher
Starter: Paul Bako (338 PAs, OPS+ of 62)
Backups: Corky Miller (273 PAs, OPS+ of 65), Chad Moeller (49 PAs, OPS+ of 4)
On this team we have to have 3 catchers, right?
First Base
Starter: Jeff Conine (242 PAs, OPS+ of 84)
Backup: Jacob Cruz (312 PAs, OPS+ of 81)
I always liked Jacob Cruz, but he wasn't a very good hitter.
Second Base
Starter: Pokey Reese (474 PAs, OPS+ of 58)
Backup: Donnie Sadler (95 PAs, OPS+ of 42)
Pokey was good defensively, but not that good.
Third Base
Starter: Brandon Larson (332 PAs, OPS+ of 49)
Backup: Tim Hummel (219 PAs, OPS+ of 58)
Was there any question about who this starter should be? What a flop?
Shortstop
Starter: Juan Castro (1225 PAs, OPS+ of 61)
Backup: Ray Olmedo (388 PAs, OPS+ of 52)
Is there any more indicative stat of the last 8 years than the fact that Juan Castro got over 1200 plate appearances?
Outfield
Starters: Reggie Taylor (505 PAs, OPS+ of 76), Corey Patterson (392 PAs, OPS+ of 48), Ruben Mateo (318 PAs, OPS+ of 71)
Bench: Quinton McCracken (60 PAs, OPS+ of 47), Jason Ellison (56 PAs, OPS+ of 41), Dewayne Wise (46 PAs, OPS+ of 21)
There are so many names to choose from here. The Reds have had some terrible backup outfielders over the last 8 years.
Starting Pitchers
Eric Milton (66 Starts, ERA+ of 77)
Jimmy Haynes (56 Starts, ERA+ of 84)
Jose Acevedo (54 Starts, ERA+ of 78)
Ryan Dempster (35 Starts, ERA+ of 66)
Ramon Ortiz (30 Starts, ERA+ of 80)
To be honest, I thought it would be much worse. And it could be worse, but I figured these guys did more damage for their number of starts than Phil Dumatrait (6 starts, ERA+ of 31), Jimmy Anderson (7 Starts, ERA+ of 47), Josh Hall (7 Starts, ERA+ of 48), and Shawn Estes (6 Starts, ERA+ of 56). At least the Reds didn't give more than 10 starts to any truly terrible starters - except for Josh Fogg (14 starts, ERA+ of 59).
Bullpen
Gary Majewski (88 games, ERA+ of 62)
Joe Valentine (42 games, ERA+ of 64)
Mike Stanton (69 games, ERA+ of 79)
Brian Reith (73 games, ERA+ of 73)
Mike Matthews (35 games, ERA+ of 68)
Kirk Saarloos (34 games, ERA+ of 65)
And there are many, many more. Damn, the pitching has sucked for a long time.
Who did I miss? There's plenty out there. Who would you have chosen that I didn't? Who doesn't belong on the team?
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For me, the saddest thing is
I would have never guessed Castro’s OPS+ was that good
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Dec 4, 2008 11:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jeesh Ive only been a reds fan for the last four years...
I just got a sinking feeling in my sot mach when i read that
Are there any more dinner rolls? -President Ted Kennedy
by The Crushinator on Dec 4, 2008 11:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
27 games, ERA+ of 88
He wasn’t really that bad in 2006 and he didn’t last very long in 2007.
Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.
by Slyde on Dec 4, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I miss Q-Crack
and we couldn’t find a worse 1B than Conine? I didn’t think he was that bad.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 4, 2008 11:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i didnt think he was that bad either
but an 84 OPS+ for a 1B is downright dreadful.
and if this team played together for a full season they would lose like 140 games. crap.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 4, 2008 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True.
The only other 1Bs I can think of off the top of my head would be Casey, Fratteberg, and Votto, and none of them would be worse than Conine.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 4, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Javy?
Wait, nevermind. He’s played 20 games at 1B, but has an OPS+ of 132 in those games. Snap!
by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2008 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when he was our cleanup hitter?
Also, did it blow anyone else’s mind that Dewayne Wise was getting starts last year for a White Sox team that went to the playoffs?
by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Reds have had 4 players who played more than 10 games at 1B and post an OPS+ under 108 since 2001
Hummel (58 OPS+), Jacob Cruz (81 OPS+), Conine (84 OPS+), Valentin (93 OPS+). It had to be Conine, I think.
Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.
by Slyde on Dec 4, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So, basically, the Reds would have been better off starting an actual hummel at first base.
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Dec 4, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OPS+ of 4?
How does one even accomplish that?
"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 4, 2008 11:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
one way to do it
would be to (presumably) go against everything your father taught you.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 4, 2008 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't believe
Adolf Hitler did not make the list. He invaded Russia, after all.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 4, 2008 11:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
he only played 9 games with the Reds
that’s got a be a record for somebody who started on Opening Day.
Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.
by Slyde on Dec 4, 2008 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but he also killed a lot of people.
I think that is far worse than OPS + of 48 over 392 AB.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 4, 2008 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but most of that killing came before he joined the Reds
I can’t give him credit for that as a Red. I just can’t.
Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.
by Slyde on Dec 4, 2008 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If only he had played when Marge owned the club.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 4, 2008 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I take it Hollandsworthless didn't have enough appearances to make the team as a backup OF?
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 4, 2008 11:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
74 PAs, OPS+ of 81
Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.
by Slyde on Dec 4, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Williams
He was brutally awful. It was fun to sit in the outfield seats for the games he pitched because you knew a ball was going to be there sometime soon.
by chuthus on Dec 4, 2008 11:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
what's pathetic
is that Milton was just as bad as Williams but made 58 more starts.
Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.
by Slyde on Dec 4, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still remember when Eric Milton
was signed and thinking is it really a good idea to sign a pitcher that just gave up 43 home runs and move him into the Great American.
Then I forgot he did win 14 games and he did end up just giving up 40 HR for the Reds.
I always thought it was strange the Reds never gave Brandon Larson more than 108 AB in a year- what did they have to lose to give him a full year. He started hammering AAA at an advanced age but it would seem it would be worth a season to see if he could make the adjustment.
by davidmac84 on Dec 4, 2008 11:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
re: Larson
i think you are probably the only person on the planet (other than him and his family) that thinks that.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 4, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no offense intended
that looks really dickish of me, now that i re-read it. im just saying that he was monumentally awful. and while logically it makes sense to give a guy who hammers AAA a legit shot in the majors, Larson was clueless in Cincy.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 4, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess thats the point
its impossible to be anything with 100 ABs. One blind spot I think alot of organizations have is they tend to give up on college players quicky if they dont peform to expectations in their 1st couple of years in the minors.
by davidmac84 on Dec 4, 2008 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another 3B disappointment: Henson.
What a muppet.
He sits alone...Reds are not home.
by Gapper on Dec 4, 2008 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Claussen
could be on this list too. Is it me or does it seem like the Reds have had a terrible time trying to find decent lefties in the rotation?
by chuthus on Dec 4, 2008 12:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Homer definitely belongs on the list
last 2 years 17 starts +68 ERA/ 6.72 ERA/ 1.80 WHIP – he has been as bad as any Reds starter the last 5 years.
by davidmac84 on Dec 4, 2008 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he also has more upside than almost any Reds starter in the last 5 years.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 4, 2008 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
at one time he did
the last 2 years he has been rocking a 92-93 fastball which is why his K rate has plummeted in both the minors and majors.
I dont see the great potential anymore.
by davidmac84 on Dec 4, 2008 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
disagree
if Homer were still a prospect (he’s just a hair over the innings threshold) he would easily be the best pitcher in our system. sure, the star has dimmed a bit since ’06, but the potential is still there. the possibility of reaching the heights of that potential may be more uncertain, but he still has the stuff to be a rotation anchor.
the Reds have toyed with his mechanics and pitches so much over the past few years (not to mention a few nagging injuries) and its really thrown him off. he had it all together for him at the end of last year though, and he was his old self for a few starts. at the behest of dougdirt, i went back and watching his performance in the AAA playoffs.
click on the camera to watch the game. its enough to bring tears to your eyes. remember, he’ll only be 23 next year. patience is critical with pitching prospects.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 4, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No Phil Norton?
he was pretty brutal in 2004. 64 2/3 inning with an ERA+ of 84. To be honest I was surprised his ERA plus was that high. He also had a WHIP of 1.66, so there may have been a few instances when he came in with 2 outs, and a couple of runners on, gave up 2 hits, but recorded the final out before his baserunners scored, thus lowering his ERA for the day despite being unable to get the job done. I am saying that without looking up the number of inherited runners he allowed to score.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 4, 2008 12:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Norton just wasn't as craptacular as the rest of the list.
Also, he had 58 Inherited runners as a Red and 15 of them scored. Not great, but not horrible either.
Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.
by Slyde on Dec 4, 2008 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe it felt worose than it really was
because I think in that bullpen he was used in situations he shouldn’t have been used, with that bullpen only haveing 2-3 quality arms in Reidling (really just the first two months), Todd Jones, and Danny Graves.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 4, 2008 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite part
To be honest, I thought it would be much worse. And it could be worse, but I figured these guys did more damage for their number of starts than Phil Dumatrait (6 starts, ERA+ of 31), Jimmy Anderson (7 Starts, ERA+ of 47), Josh Hall (7 Starts, ERA+ of 48), and Shawn Estes (6 Starts, ERA+ of 56). At least the Reds didn’t give more than 10 starts to any truly terrible starters – except for Josh Fogg (14 starts, ERA+ of 59).
But they had plenty of awful pitchers so they could spread the wealth around, remember when Dan Serefini started, or Seth Etherton, John Bale, Todd van Popell, Luis Pinedia, Carlos Almanzar, Bruce Chen, Brian Mohler, Jose Rijo (as much as I hate to say it), Danny Graves, Joey Hamilton, Jared Fernedez, Luke Hudson, who can forget Jeff Austin, John Reidling, Jesus Sanchez, Randy Keisler, Chris Macalikckickcickcick, Joe Mays, and last but not least Kirk Sarloos?
Look at those pitchers all of those guys were anounced as “todays/tonights starting pitcher for the Cincinnati Reds” atleast once. Randy fucking Keisler got starts. Remember when Jeff Austin gave up like 84 homeruns in two games?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 4, 2008 12:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ticket stub
I remember seeing Serafini pitch on a businessman’s special one Sept 11th. He didnt look any better despite my increased alcohol consumption.
Jose Rijo, like Dorothy Mantooth, is a saint!
by obc2 on Dec 4, 2008 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What's sad to me
Is that I remember on several occasions, particularly regarding the pitchers, one of these guys would have a great game and I’d fool myself into thinking that he was turning the corner. See, Jimmie Haynes is starting to put it together!
Youth wins games; veteran presence wins championships!
by ben nevis on Dec 4, 2008 12:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
DANNY SERAFINI, bitches!
I dont care what the stats say Royce Clayton is my MF shortstop, backed up by Anderson Machado. I remember being high on Jason Standridge also, once upon a time. Serafini has to be my LHP. I slightly remember John Van Der Wal, as he reminded me of the Gary Varsho and Cecil Epsy acquisitions from back in the day.
And the old timers know I have a soft spot in my heart for Josh Hancock. I kinda dug Ryan Franklin also. And lordy knows I have to put Santos on my team, then DFA him. Thats how i roll! (yeah, not a big Santos fan. duh!)
by obc2 on Dec 4, 2008 1:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
DFA'ing Santos this time
would be less of a sunk cost.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 4, 2008 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My pound for pound
champion piece of shit has always been Jimmy Anderson. The numbers show many others that were worse, but my mind’s eye has that fat ass as the a-number-one worst. I felt physical pain watching him pitch. Mark Portugal was rough too.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 4, 2008 1:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I started getting into minor league baseball
when I heard some crack about “Baseball America put Jimmy Anderson on its top 10 ugly pitchers” list and I went searching for this mythical list on Baseball America’s website. Instead I found out that Brandon Larson was going to be the next big thing.
Did you know that Mark Bellhorn put up an OPS of -4 for the reds in 13 games last year?
And am I the only one that misses the Felipe-D’Angelo infield of the future?
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Dec 4, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was there for Bellhorn's Reds debut
He was OPSing 1.167 after that game! Turns out that he had his only hit of the year in that game too. Wow.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about this one
The first five starts at GABP by the Reds went to Jimmy Haynes, Ryan Dempster, Jimmy Anderson, Danny Graves, and Jimmy Haynes. That was the team we got for the opening of the new ballpark. Way to build a winner for the new park, Jimbo.
Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.
by Slyde on Dec 4, 2008 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Portugal is not walking through that door.
Pete Harnisch isn’t walking through that door. John Smiley is not walking through that door. And if they did walk through that door, they’d be grey and old.
It’s really sad how much Aaron Harang has spoiled us. And it’s really sad only Aaron Harang (and Volq) has been enough to spoil us.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Dec 4, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
John Smiley better hope it's an automatic door
I think his arm might still be healing from that spiral fracture.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
stan belinda hopes it is handicap accesible.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 4, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget about Arroyo in 2006
he and Webb were the best NL pitchers in the first half.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 4, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good article on the Reds
he makes fun of Dusty and doesnt want to trade Homer. its a good read.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 4, 2008 1:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just read that
and for whatever reason, I thought he called Daryl Thompson Dary!, which would make him the most excited person about Daryl Thompson besides Momma Thompson.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Dec 4, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A couple of thoughts
- I like his Alex Rios idea a lot. There hasn’t been much buzz about him being a potential acquisition, and the Jays will be asking a lot for him, but I think he’d be a solid righty bat entering his prime who won’t kill you defensively. I’d like to at least see Walt call and ask about him.
- He likes Jeff Keppinger at SS. Ugh.
- He doesn’t name anybody for the CF job, which means we’ll be stuck with Willy Taveras.
- No thanks on Gregg Zaun.
Maybe I am nitpicking a little bit, but other than that stuff, this guy has a better grasp on the Reds than most national writers I’ve seen.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 4, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why Dickerson can't be penciled in CF
14% walk rates don’t grow on trees. If he can keep that up and bat .250, he’ll have a .355 OBP, which would be good enough for me.
Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.
by Slyde on Dec 4, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the only thing I don't like is that he advocates Keppinger at SS
Better defense at SS should be the highest priority.
Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.
by Slyde on Dec 4, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this guy's writing style
but yeeeesh, advocating Greg Zaun is unacceptable.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 4, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know
I just remembered that Zaun’s wife is from Cincinnati. He might come here for a greatly reduced price because she wants to come home. I know her, and that’s not beyond the realm of possibility. Shit.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 4, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't mention Jared Burton as a quality reliever?
Reds fan for 40 years!
by gejoe on Dec 4, 2008 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I also noticed that omission.
With the signing of Lincoln, I am happy with a bullpen of Cordero closing, Burton and Bray setting up, with Lincoln, Herrera, Maloney, and Roenicke doing the rest. But who will win the 5th rotation spot? Whom do they keep at AAA in a steady rotation, and whom do they make a bullpen long man? It’s a nice bunch of arms with Bailey, Maloney, Ramirez…wow, we have some surplus we should move…
I’m wondering – what can we get back for EdE in trade? Is a 3-team deal the best way to acquire Beltre, and could EdE be the key component of such a deal?
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 5, 2008 2:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Owings isn't the 5th starter, I'd like to see him as the long man.
It gives lots of options with PHing as well, and maybe getting back in a game that seems lost.
Reds fan for 40 years!
by gejoe on Dec 6, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Slyde,
"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 4, 2008 1:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Damnit, never hit return after typing the subject line
Can we put this lineup in the lineup tool to see how many runs and a W/L record we could expect?
"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 4, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like between 2.47 and 2.97 R/G
That’s between 400 and 481 runs over the course of a season. (Lineup Tool)
Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.
by Slyde on Dec 4, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gross.
"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 4, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Comparatively
the Padres put up the lowest number of runs in the league last year with 637.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 4, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's like if Harang pitched every day
Ah shit. Somewhere, Dusty’s ears just perked up.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2008 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he can hear blogs?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 4, 2008 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He can hear the screams of the English language
as you torture it afresh in every one of your posts.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he bredan
fuck you and your mom
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 4, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
god damnit
*hey brendan
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 4, 2008 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wait, that wasn't a joke?
…wow!
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Dec 4, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
saddly that was not a joke
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 4, 2008 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fuc that, I'm rec'ing it.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Dec 4, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this coment is goin gren
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 4, 2008 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cool!
Every one of the “best” lineups has the pitcher hitting 8th.
All but 6 of the “worst” lineups has the pitcher hitting 1st. Of course, you know who leads off the other 6 times.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on Dec 4, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know
it would be cool if there were a tool like for rotations/bullpens. plug in the appropriate stats and it tells you how many runs that staff will give up. is there something like that? or is that just some math i should do?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 4, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey 3F3F!
Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.
by Slyde on Dec 4, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOLZ!
"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 4, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Smaller sample size
but the true other have of the “double play tandem of the future” deserves an honorable mention.
Gookie Dawkins as a Red the past 8 years: 55 PA, OPS+ of 3.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 4, 2008 2:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Even better
when he left the Reds to play for the Royals in 2003, his OPS+ went DOWN.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 4, 2008 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I always enjoyed the double play combo
of Gookie to Pokey to Casey.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 4, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that be racist
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 4, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite related notion
was that while we were playing the Mets, an errant throw would unintentionally hit the Mets first base coach. This would result in the epic: Pokey to Gookie to Mookie.
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 4, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Williams
Someone mentioned Dave Williams and it made me think back to the last game I attended in May of 05 when Williams started for the pirates against the reds and Eric Milton at GABP. Williams took a no hitter into the fifth inning and ended up with a line of 7IP 1H 1ER and 5 SO. While Milton went for 3 innings while allowing 9 hits and seven runs.
by snailbiscuit on Dec 4, 2008 3:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes
100% agreement. The worst I’ve ever seen.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 4, 2008 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His inexplicable double switches
were the stuff of legends.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 4, 2008 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i remember a game that the Reds were down 5 runs with 2 outs in the bottom of the 8th
Sullivan was pitching, and had pitched the prior inning, a left handed hitter came up to bat, and Bob Boone popped out of the dugout and brought in a lefty to get him out in that 5 run game. The home crowd booed the visiting manager for making a LaRussa-esque change.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 4, 2008 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if you can find a link to said game, and the details are exactly as described
I’ll give you a rec.
Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.
by Slyde on Dec 4, 2008 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And a rec from Slyde
is like oral sex from a girl that you are not really attracted to. You should turn it down, but…..
by Pops Daniels on Dec 4, 2008 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i looked and found nothing
i just remember this crazy pitching change with two outs at the end of a blow out game in which the reds were losing and Chris and George making asinine comments about how it was great that Bob Boone was “being his own man”, and doing what he wanted despite the boo’s.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 4, 2008 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well then
no rec for you.
Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.
by Slyde on Dec 4, 2008 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
soup nazi episode was on tbs last night
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 5, 2008 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Jerry Narron? (Castro PH for Hamilton and the intentional walk with men on 1st and 2nd in the bottom of the 16th come to mind.)
Dustbag?
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Dec 5, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What no love for Jerry Royster?
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Dec 4, 2008 7:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not even sure if I don't get it
Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.
by Slyde on Dec 4, 2008 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa Senior Momment!!! I meant:
What no love for ROYCE CLAYTON
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Dec 4, 2008 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Womack...
Guess he was only around for a brief appearance in 06’ and he did manage an obp of .364 in those 9 games he played for us.
Changing gears, I read yesterday in Hoy, that Johnny Cueto is waiting for permission from the Reds to join the Aguilas down here in the DR. He worked out with the defending champion winter league team from El Cibao a couple of days ago, throwing a 40 pitch simulated bullpen session. He hopes to finish the regular season with team and be in full swing when the playoffs start down here in January.
Is this a good idea coming off the fatigue of his first major league season? Do you think the Reds will let him pitch?
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Dec 5, 2008 7:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
when will they learn if there websites are going to be seen in america
they need to learn English?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 5, 2008 8:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Woe-mack
He drove me nuts, not least because Torre insisted on starting him over Bubba in the outfield.
But he was a base-stealing machine for the Yankees.
While Andy Phillips is not going to make his living with his wheels.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Dec 6, 2008 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
could we put Dustbags as pitching coach?
imagine that ‘all-star’ team once some of those pitchers hit the DL!
"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey
by JJ on Dec 5, 2008 11:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
this seems crazy
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 6, 2008 3:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
8 Seasons? Try being a Cubs Fan!
Made the playoffs back to back years for the first time in forever and got swept both times.
by ssbigred on Dec 7, 2008 1:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fuck Cubs fans
They deserve it.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 7, 2008 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Being a Cubs fan is nowhere near as bad as being a Reds fan
You have management willing to make good decisions, Lou Piniella instead of Dusty Baker, and twice the payroll as our team. You’ve finished at the top of the division the past two years, while the Reds have been around the bottom.
On the other hand, you have pretty much the most hated fan base in the National League. As a Reds fan, at least I can take solace in the fact that I’m nowhere near that.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 8, 2008 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Lou Piniella is that great
Dusty Baker may have road Zombrano hard, but Lou is trying to find the straw that breaks his back.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2008 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How can you spell Piniella correctly but miss so many other words?
Why have I been blogging for so long? It's certainly not because of the paycheck. Because I could be making a lot more money as a doctor or a professional athlete.
by Slyde on Dec 8, 2008 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pinella is in the comment above mine
want to know the best part about me, or the worst part of my school, i’ve been deemed fit to be a Western Civ tutor.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2008 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The decline of Westen Civilization
begins with poor grammar and spelling on sports blogs.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said he was great
but he’s much, much, much better than Dustbrain.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 8, 2008 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
While neither manager is ideal, I would rather have Dusty than Lou at this junction
Lou has a temper that I don’t think is helpful to a young team. I read in a baseball prospectus article (one of the times the opened up the archives for a free week or whatever) in the late 90s that Lou Pinella was one of the worst managers for a young pitcher, because if he didn’t pitch well you ended up in his dog house, and if he did pitch well he showed a lack of restraint and allowed him to pitch many more innings than would be advisable. There were times when we wanted Dusty to remove Cueto and Volquez earlier than he did, but I think we can all agree that he didn’t abuse them that badly. Yeah he fucked up Aaron Harang, but that was also the organization. Walt could have stepped in and said, ah Dusty I’m calling up the guy who is scheduled to pitch on the same day as Harang’s next scheduled start.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 8, 2008 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Truth!
Yeah he fucked up Aaron Harang, but that was also the organization. Walt could have stepped in and said, ah Dusty I’m calling up the guy who is scheduled to pitch on the same day as Harang’s next scheduled start.
And we might have had another arm ready to go in the bullpen if we weren’t carrying three catchers at the time.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 9, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ironically
David Ross caught that entire game too.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 9, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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