Taveras deal worth 6.25 million over two years
by BubbaFan on Dec 31, 2008 6:55 AM EST
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Former Rockies centerfielder Willy Taveras not only landed on his feet with the Reds but received a contract that shows their faith in him.According to information obtained by The Denver Post, Taveras received $6.25 million on his two-year deal. He will make $2.25 million this season and $4 million in 2010. He can make an additional $250,000 this season if he reaches 600 plate appearances.
Jeez. That's more than Corey Patterson...and for two years.
On the bright side, Taveras will donate 1% of his salary to the Reds community fund.
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Wow
that’s like 6.3 million junior bacon cheeseburgers at Wendys
It will get you through the Dr. Who marathon nicely.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 31, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
one could also use a screenwriter to explain the plots
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
When Willy steals a base in the World Series
this October, we all get a free taco.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Jan 1, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
That's racist!
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
Cool
Who are we trading him to?
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by BubbaFan on Jan 1, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
eh
that isnt awfully expensive. he should never have gotten that 2nd year guaranteed, but if he performs the way his career norms say he should, he should be worth more than 6 mil over the 2 years.
and what took so long?
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 31, 2008 8:22 AM EST reply actions
he made less than $2 million last year
Since he kinda sucked, and got a two-year deal, I thought he might get less than $2 million a year this time. Even the Post seems a little surprised at the deal.
“A contract that shows their faith in him” = “They overpaid.”
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I wonder what the other offers were
Hopefully the Reds weren’t bidding against themselves because that second year seems pricey.
Offers
I think he had offers from the White Sox, Nationals, and Mariners
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 31, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Justin put his contract worth at $2.5 million over 2 years
Obviously he wasn’t going to get something that low, and while $6.25 million isn’t a lot of money, it is money that is being inefficiently spent.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
Link to Justin
http://jinaz-reds.blogspot.com/2008/12/reds-sign-willy-taveras.html
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
i don't hate the deal...
now if we can just get him batting ninth we’ll be in business
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 31, 2008 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
This deal does have the Casey, Larue, Freel
contract feel to it. With the economics of baseball, those type of deals kill a small-mid market franchise. I just hope we don’t up trading him for Dave Williams in ’10.
"I'm standing at the plate thinking, Where are my hands? Where's this, where's that? Before I know it, the pitch is there and I'm completely out of rhythm." -
-- Adam Dunn
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 31, 2008 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I would take that.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Jan 3, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Wet blanket time:
The Cubs gave Joey Gathright $800,000 for one year.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 31, 2008 10:20 AM EST reply actions
I know...
I’ll leave the expletives off of RR, but this whole deal leaves me with decidedly less confidence in Walt going forward.
I don't get the second year.
I can’t imagine Taveras was getting a ton of interest and even if he was signed to a one year deal, with his amount of service time, he’d be arb-eligible after one year if the Reds really wanted to keep him — and they wouldn’t be forced to.
Makes you wonder if they think they really locked up an asset
Which 1) doesn’t say much for their judgement of talent, and 1a) doesn’t say much for their opinion of Drew Stubbs.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 31, 2008 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
the opinion of Stubbs was my concern as well.
Slyde: "You're like the Ike Turner of RR commenters."
by Pops Daniels on Dec 31, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think
it shows that they don’t have a good opinion of Stubbs. He probably won’t be ready until 2010. If he is ready, he’ll play. It’s possible the only way they could get Taveras was to offer the second year.Taveras could be an excellent 4th OF to have around in 2010 if he is still around. He would offer the best pinchrunning option in the majors. The only problem is, who would be willing to pay a pinchrunner $4mil?
"I'm standing at the plate thinking, Where are my hands? Where's this, where's that? Before I know it, the pitch is there and I'm completely out of rhythm." -
-- Adam Dunn
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 31, 2008 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
with a basestealing percentage like his
four million could be worth it. if they win a pennant in 2010. it definitely seems like thats the play walt is making
Stubbs
I think this means they are being realistic about Stubbs. Stubb’s will probably need a full year at AAA with his new swing. He still needs to find his power stroke.
Taveras would be a pretty damn good to have around as a 4th outfielder. Speed/defense are must haves for the 4th guy.
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 31, 2008 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
(Norris Hopper)
I’ll give you that Taveras is likely to be better than Hopper. But by that much?
by Brendanukkah on Dec 31, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he's 6.25 million dollars better than Hopper
"You are not my ass." - Reynard
by BK on Dec 31, 2008 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
he's $6.25 million richer though
ergo, he’s $6.25 million better.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
lergo my ergo
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 31, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Apathy
1 yr or 2 yrs, doesnt matter to me. I am glad its not a three year deal, however. He is a MLB ballplayer, which is more than can be said for CPAT. Bottom line, the reds HAD to sign an outfielder desperately. Does anyone else remember the great offseason when the Reds signed both Cecil Espy and Gary Varsho? Kinda seems like deja vu all over again (just without the second signing).
and the fact that those two combined for 155 at bats for the Reds
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
The Fay
posted a fairly long mailbag this afternoon.
Are the Reds seriously considering signing Wigginton and moving EE to the outfield?
And Sporting News has an article about NL trading needs.
Cincinnati: Righthander Homer Bailey, once an untouchable prospect, remains available as the Reds search for a power-hitting right fielder. They would still gladly ship Bailey, who has not developed a pitch to go with his fastball, to the Chicago White Sox for outfielder Jermaine Dye, but that possibility seems to be shrinking daily.
...Washington: After missing out on free-agent first baseman Mark Teixeira, the Nationals have money to spend on a needed big bat. General manager Jim Bowden has a long-running crush on free-agent outfielder Adam Dunn.
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And Paul Bako is a Cub
From the Tribune:
Geovany Soto’s backup: Paul Bako, a left-handed hitter, is expected to sign a one-year deal for about $500,000. The Cubs don’t want a No. 2 catcher who costs much or expects to play a lot. Bako certainly fills the bill.
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Does Bowden think he
still works for the Reds? I`m just confused…..Washington is the place where Reds die
"Washington is the place where Reds die"
Hey, I didn’t know Tom Clancy posted here!
btw, is it sad that I still get amused from Cold War-era humor even though I’ve been a Reds fan for 13 years?
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
With Russia`s recent rise...
The joke is like new again, everytime they invade countries like Georgia, threaten to bomb Poland, and really try to T-bag NATO the jokes get re-newed, and they can always stick around as long as there is a douchebag college kid with a Che t-shirt or poster in their dorm room without really paying attention to the fact that he was a bloodthirsty killer himself.
god i fucking hate che
he was no more than a goddamn butcher. In Cuba there was all sorts of Che propaganda despite the fact that he was sent off to the African Congo to die, and he may have even died at the CIA’s hands, because Castro directed the CIA as to where to find the sonuvabitch. I fucking hate people who were symbols when they don’t know what it means.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
That's Classic Justin
I fucking hate people who were symbols when they don’t know what it means.
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
you know what is sad
is when my mistakes i pointed out, i giggle for about a minute.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
I think it's actually kinda fun
in that your mistakes are sometimes more profound than your original intent, and that it seems to happen more often than it randomly should.
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
sub conscience brilliance?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
Perhaps subconscious sub-brilliance.
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
I like this one a lot:
Though I would caution the mixing of a hatred of those who flaunt Che without understanding his significance and a hatred of the values that Che stood for.
I am just now really coming to see how my understanding of Che and the Cuban Revolution has been limited and shaped by my upbringing in the US. At this point, I feel like I only know enough to know that what I have been taught about Cuba has been with the purpose to delegitimize its existence. One of my goals in the coming year is to get a more complete perspective on Cuba, Che, and the revolutionary history of the Caribbean.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Jan 6, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
i spent 10 weeks in cuba
and i went from having an ambivalent view on Fidel and Friends, to one that matches a Cuban in Miami. I had some sources from the inside, that I would rather not divulge, because I know the chances of the Cuban gov’t reading this slight is slim, but I really don’t want to get anyone in trouble.
PS Cuba thought I was dangerous because when we visited the U.S. Chief of Missions House he and and I walked and talked alone for about two minutes. The hotel we stayed at kept tabs on us, people knew things about us that they shouldn’t have, conversations I had with people were repeated back to me.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions!"- Dr. Stephen T. Colbert DFA.
by justin007000 on Jan 6, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
The best way to combat this is to act as your own stenographer
Let the Cuban authorities figure THAT out.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 6, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mark Sheldon
says the Reds aren’t done shopping yet.
However, the work isn’t done yet to assemble a team that will be ready for the final year of Spring Training in Sarasota, Fla. After signing free-agent center fielder Willy Taveras to be their new leadoff hitter, they are still looking to sign a right-handed power hitter that can fit between the lefty-hitting Votto and Bruce. Jocketty also wants to add an extra shortstop and some additional bench help.More moves are likely to come in January — and even February — as unsigned free agents start scrambling to secure jobs. In part because of the nation’s financial crisis, this offseason’s market was slow to take shape until the recent Winter Meetings.
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is Hairston still available?
and I think the second year for Taveras was a little high. I would have been ok with a second year at around 3 million. Is this guy really going to be that much more valuable than CoPa?
Reds Win! Reds Win! Oh my God the Reds Win!! When did we become the Indians?
Yes much more valuable, and hopefully less frustrating
At least he can run the bases successfully
by Dave from Louisville on Jan 1, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
prior to coming to the Reds
Patterson was successful on 80.3% of his SB attempts. Taveras over his career has been successful in 82.4% of his attempts. I wouldn’t say there is any guarantee that Taveras will be markedly better than Patterson. FWIW, I believe the manager can be blamed for a lot of the SB mistakes the Reds made last year. I can’t remember a season where the Reds seemed to attempt steals at the most ludicrous of times like they did last year.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
Need a 4 year VORP comparison
Then I’ll make an informed decision. But my hunch is there’s a big gap between Taveras and Patterson.
Looking at Win values (to include defense)
This is Taveras vs. Patterson over the last 4 seasons. The last column is Patterson from 2003-2006, when he was the same age as Taveras (data from FanGraphs):
Willy T CoPa CoPa-Same Age
2005 2.2 -0.1 2.9
2006 2.4 3.1 4.7
2007 0.6 0.5 -0.1
2008 -0.2 -1.1 3.1
Total 5.0 2.4 10.6
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Lastings Milledge
MLB Trade Rumors is reporting that he may be trade bait.
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do the Reds have any outfielders to trade for him?
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LOL
Hey, it could be worse. As this article points out, the Baltimore Orioles do not have a single catcher on their roster.
The Orioles do not have a catcher on their 40-man roster. As Casey Stengel pointed out, a team without a catcher is likely to have a lot of passed balls.
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i cant recall the kids name
But they have the best catching prospect in the minor leagues ready to come up to the big club.
I think they just got him (Posey?) a year or two ago...he may not be ready
but that’s fairly terrible. I would love it for the Orioles to just sign Moeller, Zaun, Fasano, and every other retread catcher they could find. Shoot, see what Ron Karkovice and Mike DiFelice are doing. I’m sure Benito Santiago would take some money. If they get really desperate, just sign up Tom Berenger.
I’m starting to really, really, enjoy the Orioles.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
yeah, that's what the article said
Top prospect Matt Wieters will move into the position at some point this season, possibly by opening day. Wieters is only 22 and would benefit from having a veteran catcher around to counsel him.
But he’s only been playing for one year in pro baseball. He jumped from A to AA in 2008, and had great numbers. But counting on him this year might be a bit risky. AA to the big leagues is quite a jump.
And even if he’s great, you need more than one catcher. Maybe not three, but more than one.
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Pudge? Varitek?
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
by PeteyHendrix on Jan 1, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Well
Chad Moeller recently signed with Baltimore. He got a minor league deal, so is not the 40-man roster, but if they don’t turn up anyone better, I guess he’ll do as a backup catcher.
And the Orange Bowl is as good as over. They’re readying the Gatorade,
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Orane Bowl is over and UC stinks it up.
Not a very inspiring coaching performance by Kelly tonight…still ag reat season for the ’Cats.
I am not Reynard's ass.
M. Ville
what on god's green earth
is a “Bearcat”?
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god, i'm glad shortstop isn't here
i’m sure he would have a gif.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Jan 2, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
I went to the Cincinnati Zoo while I was home
I saw one of these in the Nocturnal House. Christ, it was terrifying.
You came into town and didn't want to meet your fellow RRs?
I for one am deeply saddened by this.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
It was on Taveras-Signing Day
None of us would have been good company. Next time I’m in town though, for sure.
by Brendanukkah on Jan 2, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
like we haven't heard that before
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Jan 2, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
We are always good company in cinti
Brendan it hurts deeply that you weren’t able to meet up andconsole a few of us…
Lingus and Peppermint Panties can blow me.
M. Ville
how was your mother?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
*cough*
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
has it gone out of style to make fun of brendans mom?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
get your shots in while you can
as of 12:00 AM on Jan 1, a Brendan’s mom joke is a bannable offense.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 27, 2008 7:26 AM PST
I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck
sorry i missed that
when i am on break i don’t use RR so much, because i don’t have to procrastinate. I formally appologize.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
don't believe it
they’re not really gonna ban anybody
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Jan 4, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
no only is a Brendan's mom joke a bannable offense
but disbelief in the new management is as well. :)
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 4, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I don't believe
there’s really a new management. :-)
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im-a warnin' you (shakes fist)
you must believe in us!
by Charlie Scrabbles on Jan 4, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
justin'd
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
ooohhhh
i’m soooooo scared
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Jan 4, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
you are sooooooo banned
and then immediately unbanned, just to teach you a lesson.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
ooooohhhhhhhhhh
i’m sooooooooooo sooooorrrryyyy…i’ll never dooooooo it again!
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Jan 4, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
slyde is so powerful from his basement
slyde really fits Reynards description of Reynard’s ass.
When will it go out of style to stop making fun of you Slyde?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
She was well, thank you
Happy to have three of her kids home, but missing the one in Africa. I trust your mother was well?
they're nocturnal and have scent glands
…so probably not.
Bummer about the Bearcats, I had a good vibe that game…it sorta reminded me of the Bengals playoff game, but sans crippling injury (though maybe Pike could’ve used one BEFORE the 4 picks). Started with “Hey, we have a chance here!” and ended with 40 minutes of misery.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
gotta feel for the home plate umpire
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Jan 1, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
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