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Barry Larkin faces the nation

After four years of doing ...something for the Nationals, Barry Larkin has decided to take a position with the MLB Network that is launching on Jan. 1.  Leatherpants offered him the first base coaching position, but Larkin turned him down.  Smart move, I think.

Interestingly, it says that the Reds also offered him a position, though it doesn't say what it was.  I'll be honest, it hurts a little bit that my favorite player ever is severing his ties from this club.  But perhaps, looking on the extreme bright side of things, Larkin will polish his analytical skills and broadcasting presence to one day step in as an analyst for the Reds.

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Is it going to be really lame, like the NFL Network?

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by BubbaFan on Dec 29, 2008 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

just a thought

but remember Dusty spent a year in the booth before coming on to manage the Reds. just sayin’.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 29, 2008 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

Barry has really gone out of his way to not be involved with the Reds.

It seemed to start the last 2 or 3 years as a player. I’m not sure what the issues are now, I thought back in the playing days he’d gotten fairly ego-centric and did face up to the natural demise of his skills. It happens with a lot of great players…He could be a terrific GM, he’s MLB smart, experienced and a tough negotiator. I don’t see him as a field manager in this day age.

He was the poster boy for the Reds for a generation..not mine..my era was all about Jr. Kennedy.
Full Name: Junior Raymond Kennedy
Height/Weight: 5’ 11"/175
Birthdate: August 9, 1950
MLB Experience: 7 years

Primary Position: 2B
First Game: August 9, 1974
Final Game: July 17, 1983
MLB Experience: 7 year

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Sir Winston Churchill

by Madville on Dec 29, 2008 6:52 PM EST reply actions  

Too bad.

What I don’t understand is why Barry didn’t call a press conference at his home so the nation could see Barry and his loving family in their living room explaining why the Nationals and the Reds don’t appreciate Barry’s loyalty.

Barry lost me when he did that in the late 90s. Just sleezy.

by Brian B on Dec 29, 2008 7:03 PM EST reply actions  

He is terrible in the studio.

He did some work for NBC while he was still playing. Costas got pissed at him because he would never give predictions on the playoff games they were discussing. Larkin said he had to play against those guys and didn’t want to make them mad at him. Why in the hell did he think he was in the studio?

"I'm standing at the plate thinking, Where are my hands? Where's this, where's that? Before I know it, the pitch is there and I'm completely out of rhythm." -
-- Adam Dunn

by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 29, 2008 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Joe Morgan taught him that

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Dec 29, 2008 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

If his work at the CWS is any indication, he has a long way to go until he’s a passable color guy (that’s racist).

All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.

by Man Mountain on Dec 30, 2008 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Welcome back

It’s like a damned reunion around here lately. Good times.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Dec 30, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing you're forgetting

is that Larkin severed his ties with this club when he left to go to Washington. His divorce from us as a player ended rather messily and I suppose he still harbors a few ill feelings.

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Dec 30, 2008 8:14 AM EST reply actions  

Is there even anybody left from that time?

surely he doesn’t hold ill will against Castellini and Jocketty and Dusty Baker.

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Dec 30, 2008 8:17 AM EST up reply actions  

If they wear the Wishbone C

he can still hold a grudge.

I mean, aren’t some of the minority owners still the same? And how about the front office staff?

Besides, how long did Frank Robinson hold a grudge against Cincy after he was traded as a washed up 36 year old?

Anything’s possible.

I just hope he gets over it soon. I’d love to see a little kumbyah when he makes the Hall on the first ballot (fingers crossed)…he deserves it and so do we.

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Dec 30, 2008 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe he hates jeff wyler

he an sukr are gonna start a club

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Dec 30, 2008 8:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Question number two

As far as the question of whether MLB Network will be as craptastic as the NFL Network, uhhh….it depends on what you mean. I personally have not watched any of the NFL Network, since it has never been made available in my area other than by satellite. I have heard generally positive reviews of their programming, though.

The way the NFLN screwed the pooch is the same way the Big 10 network did…by taking programming that was previously free (to consumers, at least) and trying to muscle the cable companies into carrying them on basic tiers while charging exorbitant prices for their programming.

This is most assuredly NOT the model the MLBN is following. There has been a lot of ink spilled on this that you can take a look at if you are so inclined, but the Readers DIgest version is that they have made the cable companies partners of a sort with them and so they will debut their network on almost every system across the nation, which puts them miles ahead of NFLN.

And the fact that they are starting their programming with a digitally restored (and possibly enhanced?) version of Larson’s perfect game, which hasn’t been seen on television since it was originally broadcast, gives me lots of warm fuzzies about the possibility of good programming on the network. I’m still in wait and see mode, but I’m lening toward favorable reviews based on the stuff I’ve read so far.

"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose

by Officer Dibble on Dec 30, 2008 8:21 AM EST reply actions  

The NFL Network

is not the worst. It is a little heavy on Rich Eisen, so if you don’t like him, you might as well not watch. It also benefits from having the huge NFL Films library. Their pre-draft and combine coverage is pretty amazing.

The NHL Netork is the worst ever. It looks like a public access program from Hamilton, Ontario.

I imagine that MLB Network will fall somewhere in the middle. I’m not expecting too much, but since they’re coming to the game so late, hopefully they,ve learned from the other networks. If they can keep Harold Reynolds away from the female interns, they will be ahead of the game.

"I'm standing at the plate thinking, Where are my hands? Where's this, where's that? Before I know it, the pitch is there and I'm completely out of rhythm." -
-- Adam Dunn

by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 30, 2008 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd say if there is one thing that MLB knows how to handle, it's media

MLBAM has done an excellent job content-wise on the net – customer service is a whole other thing, though. I think MLB is in tune with the kind of content their fans want, which hopefully will mean that it won’t be all Yankees-Red Sox all of the time. The one thing that MLBN has going against them in comparison to the online stuff is that it’s not on-demand. So, eventually they will start trying to satisfy the least common denominator. Hopefully that will happen 10 years from now, when the Reds are America’s team!

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by Slyde on Dec 30, 2008 9:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Well said

The NBA made the same mistake as the NFL and Big 10, which alienates most fans and does nothing to meaningfully compete with ESPN’s monopoly on analysis. I don’t catch Baseball Tonight that often anymore, partially because it’s really gone downhill. The broadcasting of classic games will also be a boon (and something ESPN Classic rarely does). I’m excited to watch the MLB network.

by ken on Dec 30, 2008 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

channel 178 on digital as of today

the network itself doesn’t go live until Thursday, but you can watch clips of stuff on there right now.

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by Slyde on Dec 30, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually Officer, I haven't been drinking...yet

but I remember Robby being an ‘old 30’ when he was traded to Baltimore.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Sir Winston Churchill

by Madville on Dec 30, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually Officer, I haven't been drinking...yet

but I remember Robby being an ‘old 30’ when he was traded to Baltimore.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Sir Winston Churchill

by Madville on Dec 30, 2008 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Oustanding double post

Rec’d for the subject line timing.

"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."

by jch24 on Dec 30, 2008 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It was like the cartoon stork with the hiccups

Slyde: "You're like the Ike Turner of RR commenters."

by Pops Daniels on Dec 30, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding-ding!
The way the NFLN screwed the pooch is the same way the Big 10 network did…by taking programming that was previously free (to consumers, at least) and trying to muscle the cable companies into carrying them on basic tiers while charging exorbitant prices for their programming.

That is in fact what makes the NFL Network sucky. The result is that it’s not available in a lot of markets, and in many where it is available, you don’t actually get the live games, because the cable company didn’t want to shell out the extra for that.

Well, that and their game coverage is substandard compared to network TV coverage. When I’ve seen it, it looks almost like a high school game. But honestly, I’d be willing to forgive that.

This is most assuredly NOT the model the MLBN is following. There has been a lot of ink spilled on this that you can take a look at if you are so inclined, but the Readers DIgest version is that they have made the cable companies partners of a sort with them and so they will debut their network on almost every system across the nation, which puts them miles ahead of NFLN.

Well, I used their “locator” and they don’t look any better than the NFL Network. I’d have to upgrade to satellite or digital to get the MLB Network. Which I am not going to do.

But as long as they don’t take away games that used to be free, I don’t care.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 30, 2008 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This reminds me...

Back in 1993 I got the best cable service I’ve ever had for $21/month. Living in Orlando, Florida, I could see more Reds games than the Cincy faithful. I could see all the Reds TV Network games on TV56 out of Cocoa Beach (with no blackouts), plus the ESPN and network games, plus the WGN Cubs games, WWOR Mets, TBS Braves, and Sunshine Network Marlins (whom I worked for at the time FWIW). I saw tons of games that year on basic cable, and hung at watching the rest at the pool hall.

Why? Because there’s no cable monopoly in Orlando, so I had 6 cable companies plus satellite to choose from. Monopolies suck.

I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 30, 2008 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

that's true

even if you put an nfl, simpsons, or star wars logo on it it’s still a crappy game

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by chandrathan on Dec 30, 2008 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Trading for Dye

Would be like putting a hotel on Baltic Avenue.

I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 30, 2008 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

D'oh!

I’m not sure I’m willing to sacrifice my Daily Show for MLB Network, but sadly, it may happen.

We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches

by Slyde on Dec 31, 2008 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

no way it happens...

not for more than a day or two anyway

Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill

by chandrathan on Dec 31, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd do that deal

Cut my cable bill, and I’d give up those channels. As they point out, it’s not like you can’t watch most of the shows online.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 31, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Chan's right. A day ot two. It always is.

Otherwise, you’d all switch to satellite.

I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 31, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah

Some of us are trapped. You need a clear line of sight to the southern horizon. If your neighbor has tall trees, you’re screwed as far as satellite goes.

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by BubbaFan on Dec 31, 2008 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That's an individual problem

While not an uncommon circumstance, excluding the “horizon challenged” cable users does not change the equation significantly.

I can’t name an instance over a month long when this many stations were being exempted due to a deal expiring…can anyone?

I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 31, 2008 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they'll probably settle this time

But I also think that the economics is changing for cable television. People are getting fed up at the constantly rising prices, and they are also being squeezed by the financial crisis and are being forced to cut back. Eventually, this is going to affect sports. Including the mighty Yankees (who have had their own battles with cable companies over their network, YES).

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by BubbaFan on Dec 31, 2008 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right

The economics of cable have always been fluid. But the real issue here is cable monopolies that are being tolerated by the end users as a whole. Lazy end users!

I have discovered in 20 years of moving around a ballpark, that the knowledge of the game is usually in inverse proportion to the price of the seats. - Bill Veeck

by PeteyHendrix on Dec 31, 2008 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

so

Did anyone watch the MLB Network?

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by BubbaFan on Jan 2, 2009 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

I watched part of the Larsen perfect game

It was interesting, but I didn’t have time to sit and watch it for long.

I looked at the schedule and it looks like they’ll be re-airing some of last year’s playoffs for the next week plus some Red Sox show will get repeated a bunch. They need to hurry up and get more content together.

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by Slyde on Jan 2, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

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