Reds Hot Stove League
by obc2 on Dec 17, 2008 8:33 AM EST
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First, I just love it when I am able to catch the Reds Hot Stove League on wlw over the winter. There is nothing like listening to baseball talk ESPECIALLY when its all about the Reds. I've really enjoyed this show since its inception and I count Marty, Joe, Thom and Cowboy as local treasures.
That said I almost hacking up a lung laughing during yesterday's broadcast. The first listener I heard after tuning in asked if they thought the Reds would sign Roger Clemens considering he was born in Dayton and all. LMAO! WTF?!? FTH?!? Hey, I was born in Columbus and feel ZERO affinity to that metropolis and Ive never heard Clemens mention Dayton (unlike Mike Schmidt). Plus, RC didnt pitch last season and in the middle of a mess with PED's and that whole affair with the underage country singer thing.
Then Marty blew a gasket hollering that he didnt care about Dunn's OBP he was paid to hit home runs and drive in runs. he hit homers but didnt drive in runs. Im not sure if he noticed that there was a severe lack of baserunners on the basepaths when Dunner was at the dish. I have zero stats for this but I sure as hell eyeballed it over the past few seasons. Maybe Slyde can back me up on this but I was always taught it was extremely difficult to A)steal first base and B)knock in runs with the bases empty.
Are you wearing a shirt, Marty?
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Clemens on Dayton
“The best thing about Dayton was seeing it in the rear-view mirror.”
by ken on Dec 17, 2008 8:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Marty: "I don't know why anybody would badmouth Pat Burrell"
This was seconds after saying, “How much of a difference is Pat Burrell from Adam Dunn.” Yeah, no idea why, Marty.
He also thinks Burrell would drive in more runs than Dunn. Go look at his RBI totals and tell me why one would draw that conclusion.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 17, 2008 8:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think it's safe to say
That we would much rather have Burrell than Brian Giles. He’s getting sued for the type of assault and battery that would make Brett Myers shake his head.
The suit, filed in San Diego Superior Court, states the abuse began in 2002. It accuses Giles of "hitting and slapping plaintiff in the face; pushing plaintiff; shaking plaintiff; kicking plaintiff; hitting plaintiff in the chest; knocking plaintiff to the floor, battering plaintiff twice when she was pregnant with the parties’ child, causing plaintiff to suffer a miscarriage."
The plaintiff is his former girlfriend. She’s suing for $10 million. I hope she gets it.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2008 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming it's true, of course
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 17, 2008 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus
i hope to God its not true.
jingle bells Batman smells
Robin laid an egg
the Batmobile lost its wheel
and the Joker got away
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 17, 2008 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If it is
he better not catch fire when he’s near me, ‘cause I won’t squeeze out a drop of urine to put him out.
by Pops Daniels on Dec 17, 2008 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
to be honest im not sure if that would work anyway
No bees? Then who will sting me and walk on my sandwiches?
by The Crushinator on Dec 17, 2008 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA anyone hear a caller say that Marty not being on tv was a
Miscairrage of justice?
No bees? Then who will sting me and walk on my sandwiches?
by The Crushinator on Dec 17, 2008 11:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great
Now Brian Giles has been smacking around justice’s mom too.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 17, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
not cool man
not cool
jingle bells Batman smells
Robin laid an egg
the Batmobile lost its wheel
and the Joker got away
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 17, 2008 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a shame
but this is probably going green
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 17, 2008 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
green'd
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 17, 2008 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
holy fucking shit
Marty blew a gasket. He is a scary old man.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 17, 2008 12:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
can we have a RR hot stove night
where we all call in and talk to Marty about Dunn’s ability to get on base?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 17, 2008 12:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm down
While an icon of the organization, the egotistical bastard deserves to deal with us for a night.
by chesirecat on Dec 17, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
best part is the guy who wants marty to delay himself to be with TV.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 17, 2008 12:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and marty basically agreed that George is terrible.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 17, 2008 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's true
A true professional would have said “George is a terrific broadcaster who does a great job” instead of “I’ve been trying to get them to synchronize me with the TV for years”. Well done, Marty.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 17, 2008 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing that bugged the hell out of me
was when the guy asked Marty about Bronson’s “off-color” comments at RedsFest, and Marty said that it was the first he’d heard of it, even though he was ON THE GODDAMN STAGE. Things like this give me the feeling that even though he’s one of the best play-by-play guys in baseball, Marty kind of sucks at everything else.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 17, 2008 12:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised this didn't get more mileage
They would have put Bronson’s head on a pike if he had said this at RedSoxFest.
by ken on Dec 17, 2008 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What did he say?
I was there, but wasn’t listening. I did notice that he was talking a whole lot though.
"I never should have given up the animation rights."
by BobbyO on Dec 17, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Courtesy of Deaner
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 17, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
file it under
Arroyo…called Jeff Keppinger "Jewish" for being cheap and said that Brandon Phillips didn’t know anything about hockey because of his skin color. Keep in mind, he said he on stage while hundreds of kids were asking him questions. The other people on the stage with him: Keppinger, Chris Dickerson, Phillips, Marty and Jeff Brantely looked stunned, as did most of the adults in the audience.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Dec 17, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In this day and age
if there’s no video there’s no story.
by Red Menace on Dec 17, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, but if it appears on the internet in any form
isn’t that good enough?
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 17, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if this got any traction
it would be perceived as slanderous bloggers bereft of the ethics of old journalism. Unless there was a youtube video.
by Red Menace on Dec 17, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
if a youtube clip goes up and the stroy gets picked up by a source like Deadspin, then this sucker has legs.
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Dec 17, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would it end up on Deadspin?
Was Bronson doing body shots off of tHom?
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
by Slyde on Dec 17, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he showed his penis to a camera in the locker room
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 17, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, because he was quoting Woody Allen
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Dec 17, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Deaner said he might have video
Actually, I would think there’d be a lot of videos. Everyone’s got cell phone video these days.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Dec 17, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I was thinking
Surely someone out there has video of this.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 17, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sMarty is a prime example of not knowing when to quit.
His play by play at one time was top tier. Now it is rare to hear him really engaged. He’s usually too busy ragging on Tom, ‘correcting Clownboy’ or talking about his latest round of mediocre golf to give the game much input. I am older too and recognize that it is hard to keep up with new developments like:
1. Sabremetrics – I try and have gotten a lot out of my efforts – sMarty already knows all
2. The internet – Opened a whole new world for me – sMarty never misses a chance to put down bloggers as bunch of idiots.
3. Dusty Baker is a clusterfuck – Dustbrain’s cahuna’s + sMarty’s chin.
Basically I’ve had enough of sMarty that last 3 or so years. He and Dusty should go on the lecture tour, or get jobs teaching baseball. Thems that can’t keep up can sometimes find a job in the lower tiers of academia – maybe University of Phoenix might want Dustbrains or him.
Or sMarty can just blow me.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Dec 17, 2008 2:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I might have said this before
but I really think Marty’s outlook changed when Joe started going downhill. Joe was good for lots of things, but I think the thing that he might have been best at (and least recognized for) was keeping Marty’s giant hair/ego in check.
When Joe began reducing the number of games he did, and especially when Steve showed up on the scene — someone who Marty undoubtedly did not hold in much esteem — he got MUCH more negative and there was noone to put the brakes on him.
Now Cowboy and tHommy are there. Cowboy seems to take Marty’s needling pretty well, but is not nearly as skilled (or frankly, brave) as Joe in dishing it back to him. tHommy and Marty are basically a giant negative feedback loop when they are together, though tHommy does his best to rival his old man’s negativity when they are apart.
My esteem for Marty has fallen a great deal in the last few years. It used to be that I really regarded him as a treasure and there is no doubt he is for his body of work. I stilll enjoy listening to him, but when he gets off on these ill-conceived rants, I can honestly say that the L’ville announcer (Kelch?) sounds better and better to me as a long term replacement. It breaks my heart to say that, but its true.
"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose
by Officer Dibble on Dec 17, 2008 11:40 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
Great post.
I agree with pretty much all of it. Jim Kelch should seriously be considered for some kind of job in the Reds booth. Pair him up with Thom if you need to, but the guy has paid his dues in AAA for years now, and is a terrific announcer. I have a feeling the Reds radio booth won’t go on without a Brennaman in there, although, how cool would a Kelch/Welsh booth be, if not for the rhyming alone?
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 17, 2008 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
couple things...
On Marty: Is it that Joe kept Marty in check or that Joe balanced and blended with Marty? You would hear half a game with Marty’s ego, and half a game with Joe’s laid back style They worked out real well because they were so different, Marty the opinionated and critical play by play guy, and Joe was more laid back and easier to listen to.
On Welsh: The first time I heard Welsh not paired up with George I thought holy shit this guy is not an idiot. I was thoroughly shocked. George should really send tHom and Jeff thank notes, because of them he seems to be less terrible.
On tHom: He really needs to get hit by a bus.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 18, 2008 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On your first point
While I definitely agree that Joe balanced and blended with Marty, he also was big enough that there is no way that Marty would have treated Joe with the same sort of disdain bordering on disrespect that he seemed to dish out to Steve and seemingly dishes out the the Cowboy.
And while Marty could certainly play the role of opinionated and occasionally critical PbPer, I think that Joe’s presence and stature mediated a lot of the negative tendencies that we now have come to know and loathe about Marty. I think Joe had a pretty good way of keeping him in line (calling Marty “little buddy” the same way that the rest of the members of U2 call Bono “little feller.”)
I think Welsh has been one of the most underrated announcers by folks around here for a long time and I think that is mainly because of negative feelings directed at GG. I mean, Grande is not unpleasant to listen to (outside of a few verbal tics that keep rearing their ugly head — like “Prince Albert”), but neither would I say that GG makes me really want to watch a Reds game with the sound up.
But the more I listen to Jim Kelch, the more I like his style. He makes me want to listen to games more. Marty without Joe has proven to be less of an announcer than I thought he was with Joe…still a classic…still with some interesting things to say…but with a LOT more hurdles to jump over now that he is the top (or the ONLY) dog on the broadcast.
I liked tHommy a great deal before he came to the Reds, but maybe that was because I didn’t hear him do enough games. He is certainly a competent announcer, but he REALLY needs to lose the negative schtick, particularly when he works with his dad, or I don’t think he’s going to have a long career here.
And lastly, may I say, holy crap…my first green post!
"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose
by Officer Dibble on Dec 18, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well done sir,
and how’s your little one doing?
Slyde: "You're like the Ike Turner of RR commenters."
by Pops Daniels on Dec 18, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's actually doing quite well
Thanks for asking!
He just had a bit of surgery this morning to correct a small birth defect. Let me tell you that there’s no sicker feeling in the world than watching them wheel him away to some place that I cannot be. But the wife and I survived it and he came through like a champ. By the time we caught up with him, he was charming two nurses in the recovery room, so all seems to be well.
"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose
by Officer Dibble on Dec 18, 2008 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dibble!
Sup, bro?
I dont want to get off topic, but I’m a frequent flyer at Children’s Hospital with my youngest. Surgery is no small thing no matter how minor, especially the moment where you’re no longer bedside. I feel for ya. That is T O U G H!
by obc2 on Dec 18, 2008 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More off topic stuff - I was pleasantly surprised
While I would never say that the experience of putting my child under the knife was pleasant, I would gladly say that Children’s did everything it could to make it the least unpleasant it could be. The staff was uniformly nice and competent, and I really appreciated that the receptionist in the surgery waiting area kept an eye out for us. I would not want to do it again, but if I had to do it, Children’s is the place I would pick to have it done.
And, for my part, I can say that I am sorry to hear that you have been through some health problems with your youngest. I am only now realizing the agony of having a sick kid and feeling helpless to do anything about it except put them in someone else’s hands. I have had the barest taste of that and can honestly say that I do not like it. At all.
But it is great to see you still around and kicking obc. I still have fond memories of our first blogger day at GABP, even though that was the start of a really bad medical situation for me. I should try to show up for another one of those so we can heckle Cub fans again. Next time, I promise not to develop any life-threatening problems. Swear to God. :)
"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose
by Officer Dibble on Dec 18, 2008 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't mind me asking
What was the problem? I too had to take my kid to Children’s for “minor” surgery. He had piloric stenosis, they did a laproscopic procedure to snip off part of an overgrown valve in his stomach. I agree that Children’s does a great job of making an incredibly frightening situation as pleasant as possible.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Dec 19, 2008 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He had hypospadias
which was repaired, but he is having a rough day today, with a fever and some vomiting, so we’re keeping an eye on that.
Unfortunately, every time I change his diaper, I cringe at the wound (and, frankly, the catheter that he has to wear for a week). Yikes.
"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose
by Officer Dibble on Dec 19, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
little known fact
i had to authorize a medically induced coma which put my daughter on a ventilator for a week. Before she was six months old! Bet y’all didnt know that, lol. Plus, Ive probably spent 180 nights in CHMC….albeit none in the past three years.
Oh, and my bitch ex….who isnt Catholic(and I am)….ok’d the clergy administering her last rights in my absence.
by obc2 on Dec 19, 2008 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I truly feel for all of you. May all of your kids stay healthy and happy.
Slyde: "You're like the Ike Turner of RR commenters."
by Pops Daniels on Dec 20, 2008 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oy!
I cannot imagine that, but I am very happy to hear that everything turned out allright for you and her.
"I'd walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play baseball" - Pete Rose
by Officer Dibble on Dec 21, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Jim Kelch
He really is a great announcer, and seems to be a very nice guy, too.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Dec 18, 2008 6:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly agree
Though tHom was less acidic last year than the prior year, imo.
by ken on Dec 18, 2008 6:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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