Should the Reds be trying to get a right handed bat?
by Slyde on Dec 10, 2008 4:25 PM EST
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PrintThe discussions today have been varied, but one common theme being discussed is if the Reds need to be searching for a right-handed bat to fill their lineup. I say no, and here's why. Below you'll see a table of the splits for all of the likely major players on the Reds (at this point). Splits are at the Major League level except for Hanigan and Dickerson. I've included Bruce's minor league splits because they are far less dramatic than his MLB splits and I expect that his splits will balance more with more experience.
vs LHP vs RHP Votto .289/.356/.477 | .305/.373/.528 Phillips .294/.343/.502 | .249/.294/.394 Keppinger .351/.403/.515 | .258/.309/.336 Gonzalez .247/.298/.402 | .249/.295/.399 Encarnacion .273/.376/.465 | .264/.332/.451 Dickerson .223/.328/.319 | .272/.364/.464 Bruce .190/.263/.299 | .286/.340/.529 -MiLB .289/.349/.526 | .322/.379/.587 Hopper .367/.406/.456 | .282/.341/.315 Hanigan .339/.440/.435 | .289/.382/.369 Hernandez .261/.334/.449 | .263/.323/.410
Now look at those numbers and tell me who you would rather the Reds face this year, a right-handed pitcher or a left-handed pitcher? And let's not forget that the Reds have faced a right-handed starter an average of 111 times a year in the last 6 years. And 69% of their plate appearances last year came against right-handers.
This isn't a team heavy on the lefties anymore. It worries me a lot to see the Reds managing as if it is.
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I think the Reds should get a "no handed" bat
like Ryan Freel.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
No, we shouldn't.
But why would that stop the Reds?
We want to build long period of time. I didn’t come here for the shot run.
If you even mentioned this notion of not needing a RH bat, let alone this graph,
over at Fay’s blog, you’d see a lot of “message removed for violating terms of agreement” posts
"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 10, 2008 4:42 PM EST reply actions
Nope.
Bruce Wayne is throwing a left, there.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 10, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
i'll side with brendan
batman is just working the jab with his left, he’s saving the power punches for his dominant hand
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 10, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Dec 10, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Definately.
Besides, Batman’s best work comes from his magnificent Bat Utility Belt…just ask the ladies.
He has a special compartment for Progesterex.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
There's no place like home for the holidays
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
We're only missing an inane and inappropriate Brent Beck .gif
"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 11, 2008 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
where the fuck is Alan?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Why the Reds need a RH power bat
To keep Dusty Baker from putting Brandon Phillips and his .308 career OBP in the 3rd or 4th slot. Those lineup spots should be filled with guys who can both drive in runs and get on base for the 5- and 6-hole guys. I think Baker is not going to put Jay Bruce and Joey Votto as two lefties back-to-back. I’m assuming that’s one of the main reasons we had Griffey-Phillips-Dunn for the most part in 2008.
A lineup like
Leadoff hitter to be named later
Encarnacion
Bruce
RH power bat who is not a Joe Carter-esque out machine
Votto
Phillips
would work.
Instead we’ll probably get something like
Keppinger or Dickerson
Bruce
Phillips
Votto
Hernandez
Encarnacion
I understand your point
but the solution is simply to bat EdE 4th instead of BP.
And I’m not opposed to acquiring a RHB. I just don’t think that should be the sole focus. They should acquire the best hitter available, regardless of handedness.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
The problem there, as I see it...
is that your proposal would place a righty 3B in our cleanup spot who performs below what the average starting 3B or LF delivers, with better hitting lefties all around him. So now your best hitters (Votto, Bruce) are pitched around to instead face the OK-hitting righty who is streaky and doesn’t love curveballs. This would seem to have SOME resulting lowered offensive performance for your stars, thereby affecting the lineup adversely from both sides of the plate.
I welcome the debate about this handedness issue, and my mind is open to convincing, but the truth is that an all-lefty OF for the ’09 Reds will create a lineup that will have some negative matchup effects. The difficulty arises in that differential between these outcomes is uncomfortably unquantifiable.
“So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?” – Dave Letterman
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
I'll be honest
I don’t understand your point.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
EdE doesn't hit well enough to bat cleanup in my opinion.
He’s streaky. He doesn’t hit curveballs well. His offensive numbers are far from eye-popping.
If there’s a lefty on the mound who knows he dominates other lefties, and EdE isn’t on a hot streak, it’s EdE who will be at the dish with the game on the line, not the stud lefty who hits prior to him in the lineup. And because EdE prefers the pitches straight and on the inside half, I think he’s a guy who can be pitched around.
That seems like a problem to me. Not to you, I understand. But I am not alone in this opinion.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Then bat the lefties back-to-back
I’m not sold as EdE for the clean up spot either, but he’s a helluva lot better option than Phillips, if you ask me.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
Agreed.
I have the perfect solution: Beltre can bat cleanup for the Reds, and EdE can bat cleanup for the Giants.
Or they can both play for the Reds, with EdE batting 6th and Beltre batting 4th.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Have the Mariners discussed a Beltre trade with anyone yet?
He’s being talked about everywhere, but I haven’t noticed a report yet that says the Mariners are actively interested in trading him.
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Dec 10, 2008 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
who cares
If Steve Phillips can have the Tigers trading Prince Fielder, then we here on the internet can acquire Adrian Beltre as much as we want!
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
would we aquire him for Redreporter?
like i gotta say that we really could use a new third baseman on the site.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Then I demand
that we reopen the suspended Adam Dunn/Carl Crawford negotiations
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Dec 10, 2008 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
God I hate Steve Phillips
Him and Mel Kiper show that you can know and do absolutely nothing and still get paid for it.
that is how I was hired to be a Western Civ tutor this quarter
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
What IS the best lineup position for Phillips?
7th? 8th?
He doesn’t get on base a ton, which pushes him out of #1. He doesn’t handle the bat well enough to bat 2nd, as he strikes out a lot and can’t consistently put the ball on the ground to the right side. Your best hitter goes in the 3rd hole (which he isn’t), plus we should probably split the lefties, so Phillips doesn’t belong there. He’s no cleanup hitter, and he’s no run producing giant, so now that leaves us with 6th, 7th, and 8th. EdE fits well at 6th, IMO.
7th? 8th?
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think EdE works as a 5th hitter
but I wouldn’t bat BP higher than 6th.
On this team, I’d also consider EdE as a 2-hole hitter. I don’t buy the bat control stuff and I think EdE gets on base enough, especially relatively to his teammates.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
I'm OK with EdE 5th...
except that likely means we didn’t get the “big bat” that has been much-ballyhooed.
EdE gets on base enough, especially relatively to his teammates.
That’s true. He also pitches better than our 5th starters did last year, but that doesn’t mean he belongs on the mound. :P
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Then let's rephrase...
He strikes out a ton and pulls the ball, seldom hitting behind the runner.
I might even be able to be convinced statistically that you guys are right – but that’s irrelevant. Because even if this philosophy is flawed, Dusty Baker believes it, and he makes out the lineup…with a toothpick he dips in octopus squirtins.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
if we were as locked into a philosophy as Dusty Baker
we wouldn’t have a whole lot to talk about.
Who cares if he hits behind the runner? I want somebody who is trying to not make outs, not somebody who makes “good outs”.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
But Ed
Makes contact a lot, maybe putting him higher in the line-up would benefit him? maybe more sac flies at clean-up?
I dont know Im just playing devil`s advocate, if were going to rebuild AGAIN we might as well trying something different.
Instead Im sure we will follow the same blue print that has failed over and over again. Mediocre talent mixed in with “could be” and “were” type players. You know the long shots at being all-stars, the washed-ups that went down injury road, and the never weres that made it on an allstar ballot 1 time in their careers but werent very good.
I agree
But Dusty Baker is the manager and he is never batting EdE 4th. The Reds should get a RH bat who is good enough and has enough veteran-itude that Baker won’t bat Phillips cleanup.
Like Dusty would do that......
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Sir Winston Churchill
I have two more solutions to that problem
One, I don’t see why we have to alternate RH and LH batters. The team that just won the World Series bats two lefties in the 3-4 holes, why can’t we do the same with Bruce and Votto?
Two, if our problem is that the manager insists on batting Phillips 4th with the lineup he’s given, let’s find a different manager!
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 10, 2008 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
think if the Reds make a couple more acquisitions
like find that right handed bat they are looking for, and next year doesn’t go well, Dusty will be packing?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Now you're talking crazy
The team that won the World Series two years ago sometimes bats the pitcher eighth, but I’m not holding my breath waiting for Dusty to do that.
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We don't have to
But I suspect Dusty Baker thinks we have to and I think we’re stuck with him. Since we can’t change the manager or his mind, the next best option is to give him roster parts that even he will have a hard time screwing up. Which means finding someone better than Phillips to slot between Bruce and Votto.
When you look at it that way
you’re basically conceding that the team won’t put the best lineup out there from day to day, because of their manager. If that’s the case, they’re not going to the playoffs, so why does it even matter?
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 10, 2008 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Just because the best lineup isn't out there daily
doesn’t mean that they can’t make the playoffs.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think that's what they want
The Reds may not be short of right-handed bats, but they’re kind of short on right-handed power. (Sorry, I don’t think Hoppinger is going to maintain those numbers.)
I don’t know that I’d make this the first priority, but given Dusty’s proclivities, I can see why they want to do it.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
they're short on good hitters
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
Truth!
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
That's why I would love
to see them get Abreu. I would be shocked if he fell into our price range. I thinlk he’ll sign for around $10 million per.
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 10, 2008 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
ack
Not Abreu. I think he’s fast heading toward his DH days.
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He stole
22 bases last year. He would have to be better in right than Griffey was.
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 10, 2008 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
El Comedulce
Abreu is afraid of the fence. I don’t mean he won’t crash into the wall. I mean he shies away from it, like it’s going to bite him. If he’s even within a few feet of it, he gets so nervous about the wall that he can’t keep his eye on the ball.
And he won’t dive for balls, either. He lets them drop in front of him when they’re catchable with just a little more effort.
Then there’s the primadonna factor. Gets upset if he’s not batting third. Doesn’t want to play CF or LF, even in emergency situations.
I’m glad to see him go.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
Well that does not sound like a ringing endorsement.
The last thing we need is another primadonna. We had enough of that with Griffey & Larkin. It is a shame, because the guy can rake.
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 10, 2008 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta have balls to badmouth Barry Larkin round these parts, I'll give you that
While respectfully disagreeing with you on the point of either Griffey or Larkin being distractions
I lost a lot of respect for Larkin
when he spent more time talking about his Nike Rep than his former teammates at his Reds HOF induction. I always loved to watch him play.
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 10, 2008 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
bad news for you joe...
i think larkin’s speech is still going on…
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Shhh...
don’t distract him, I think he’s going to wrap it up.
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 10, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
If you bad mouth Larkin, I really dont care if you commit suicide. Griffey took a pay cut and ruined his career in Cinci because we gave him false hopes of a World Series in his home town.
I wouldnt talk about the Reds either....
If I retired and somehow ended up working for the Nationals….
from teh dyslexic guy
Baker makes it plain that he is not interested in a left handed hitter.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
And, all of a sudden I have a lot less confidence in the upcoming season.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 10, 2008 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
sorry to darken your day
together we will get through chanderthan’s cold.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Makes sense
We might be able to get away with hitting Bruce and Votto 3-4 during the regular season, but what about the playoffs? They’ll loogy us to death like they did to Philly this year.
Hang in there, chanderthan.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 6:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I have two answers
If the deal is being made for 1 year, then no, they don’t need a right handed bat. If the deal is being made for more than 1 year, then yes they do.
Next year it isn’t as important. However starting 2010 your lineup could include Bruce, Votto and Alonso, all of whom should bat in the 2-5 area. You are going to want to have a right hander or two to split those guys up so teams can’t just bust out the Loogy, except use him for 3 guys in a row when we are primed to make a run.
by dougdirt on Dec 10, 2008 6:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I've got a question
Does anyone here think the Reds are going to make a smart move coming out of the Winter FA period? It seems like everybody’s holding their breath waiting for the inevitable Dye trade or way too expensive signing. Frankly, I’d be pretty OK doing the things they’re obviously going to do like resigning Cherry and getting a middling lefty reliever. Micah Owings has a decent shot to be a real contributor to the pitching staff, the other guys are passable at worst, and the bullpen’s solid (if overpaid in the 9th).
Plus, everyone rational can agree that the team’s more than a Pat Burrell, Jeremy Hermida, or Bobby Abreu from contending. The economy also sucks. So, is there anything inherently wrong with not selling the farm to make an ill-conceived splash and letting our young talent develop for a year? The free agent market ain’t gonna suck so bad next year, we’ll have money to spend, and perhaps even a team worthy of spending some money on.
I'm afraid
that Bob C’s saying they want to win now means they’re going to try to contend next year. Why else would they even be talking about trading Bailey for Dye?
And are you sure they’re going to re-sign Cherry? It sounds like there are other teams interested.
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Fear is the path to the dark side
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 10, 2008 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
I live on the dark side
I’m a Yankees fan, after all. 
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I think the pitching is there to be a contender on 2009.
We’re one lefty away (Rhodes or Reyes) from the entire pitching staff being settled, and we’re not even halfway through December. That’s solid, and noteworthy. There are not many teams that have pulled that off in recent memory, and it’s probably never happened to the Reds since the abolition of the reserve clause.
Defensively, we’re a mess:
C = average
1B = above average
2B = Gold Glove
SS = weak
3B = bad
LF = ?
CF = ?
RF = above average
Offensive starters (relative to position):
C = average
1B = average
2B = good
SS = below average
3B = average
LF = ?
CF = ?
RF = average
I think with our young pitching depth, we could trade for/sign enough players to plug these holes effectively for 90 wins in 2009 without mortgaging the farm. But it’s not terribly easy…let’s hope Jocko can bring home the bacon.
And for no particular reason, I will now put a pot roast under the warmer…
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like the 10th amandment still stands
along with the 6th article of the Constitution.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
How very Barry Goldwater of you.
I approve.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don't.
The last thing I want to think about right now is constitutional law.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
Is somebody against federalism?
or is somebody tired of law school?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
She's acting like a real tort these days
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
Brendan's mom is a tort!
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Flip your ratings for 1st and 2nd base and I pretty much agree with you.
However, I’m arguing that the holes that you yourself show in this lineup offensively and defensively pose too great a task to be fixed by this year’s group of FAs and/or trade possibilities. As much as I’d like to think otherwise, we don’t know how good Harang’ll be next year or how Cueto and Volquez will pitch in year 2. Now maybe everything gels and we tear shit up in the NL. But probably not. Thus, it seems a bit silly to bank on this year being the year when going for it could cripple a potentially bright future.
Or maybe I’m listening to Slyde too much lately, I dunno.
I think you overrate Phillips offensively.
He was 12th in wOBA at 2B last year. EdE was 7th at 3B and Votto was 8th at 1B. No way BP is good and the others are average on offense.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
You assume too much...
I am discussing their current abilities as I see them, not how they performed statistically last year. I believe Phillips will swing less for the fences this year, hopefully in a less pivotal spot in the lineup, resulting in a regression toward his 2006 numbers. I think he’ll land in between somewhere, around an OPS of 780. BP may be closer to average than good, if you care to parse that finely. But I think that he hits well for a second baseman, and you’re welcome to disagree.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'm being a dick, and I know it's not important.
But EdE and Votto are still above average and will stay that way unless they get hurt, methinks.
I find them both average
at their current skill level in comparison to other offensive starting players at their same positions.
OPS:
Average qualifying MLB 1Bman since 2001: 865
Joey Votto (career): 878
OK, maybe above average, but close to average. I hope he’s phenomenal this year instead.
OPS:
Average qualifying MLB 3Bman since 2001: 803
Edwin Encarnacion 2008: 806
Edwin Encarnacion 2007: 794
Edwin Encarnacion (career): 801
Offensively average.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
He had an 878 OPS as a rookie
chances are over the remaining 5 years he is in under the Reds control his OPS will go up not down.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Let's hope so!
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
well in 2006 he was 10th in wOBA at 2B.
My point was that you overrate BP compared to his teammates. I’m not trying to pick a fight or anything, just saying that I think Votto and EdE are both better offensively relative to their positions than BP.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
misc semi-relevant note
I listened to an interview with Sabean yesterday that was posted on a SF radio website (knbr.com?). I thought Milwaukee had some bad sports radio talkers – one of the guys was, well, really bad. One of the questions after endless nagging about Tex and CC was something like “how about Cantu or Encarnacion.” His answer was one guy is a 3rd baseman who should be playing first and the other should be called E5.
Remember when EdE gave Barry Zito a seven year, $126 million contract
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Dec 10, 2008 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
whenever he is canned, I imagine the Reds will have a "consultant" position waiting for him
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Dec 10, 2008 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Damnit you're right.
This plan of hiring every complete failure GM in the league seems sure to provide immediate and lasting dividends!
and then he traded Joe Nathan, Frankie Liriano, and Boof Bonser
for a catcher with an attitude and a haircut to match.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2008 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Bummer.
Hard to imagine EdE getting traded to a team whose GM thinks he is playing the wrong position or simply can’t play.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
i feel like that would fit in with Sabean's philosphy.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Philadelphia paper reports the Phillies to announce a trade tonight.
Prediction: Before midnight, Adam Eaton is a Washington National.
We Are ... Marshall!
by Thundering Turtle on Dec 10, 2008 8:39 PM EST reply actions
apparently the Phils want to give him away
if all it costs is a million bucks, i’d do that in a heartbeat.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2008 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Brendan's mom made progress under Dick Pole
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
That's really solid.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
EdE in LF
Keith Law seems to believe that the Reds have too many OFs, the opposite of what I’ve heard here. He says so bc he believes EdE can’t play 3B and should be in LF. I’m inclined to agree. If he plays in LF for two years, then we need a free agent or trade #B until the farm system is ready. When Alonso is ready, Votto moves to LF to replace EdE, who departs as a free agent. Great plan, I know—but what 3B are available in FA or via trade right now? I’m still seeing Crede as a two-year option.
This plan makes altogether too much sense
Thus, it must be a coincidence and irrelevant
by chesirecat on Dec 10, 2008 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That seems sensible
Especially over a two year span when we know Stubbs, Alonso and Dickerson will all be at the mix. The focus should be on 2-3 year stopgaps at 3B and SS. I think at least one of those two acquisitions there should hedge our bets. But having Frazier, Valaika, Soto and Francisco coming down the pipe should be heartening. Is Beltre completely off the radar now?
Is it too late to become a robber baron?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 10, 2008 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
THAT IS THE MOST CINCINNATI NAME OF ALL TIME!!!
AAAAAH CHHEEEESEECOONNNEEEYYYYS~!!!!!
Having just recently started following the minors, I wonder how wise it is to be planning for them rather than just being pleasantly suprised if they pan out.
No bees? Then who will sting me and walk on my sandwiches?
by The Crushinator on Dec 10, 2008 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
And you sir, a most crushingest name indeed
It’s still the art of the possible. There’s only limited money to cover our hindquarters at each of these positions. Beltre would be a longer term investment to both bridge the gap and hedge against flopping prospects. If one of the aforementioned farmhands can’t come in and contribute as a regular non-1B IF in 2-3 years, then the Reds have grossly miscalculated their value.
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by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 11, 2008 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Preach!
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
Just saw on Sheldon's blog
Jocketty confirms he’s talked to the agents for Juan Rivera and Rocco Baldelli:
“General manager Walt Jocketty confirmed that he spoke with the agents representing Juan Rivera and Rocco Baldelli.
The Reds haven’t yet spoken to Greg Genske, who represents Pat Burrell. That could be coming soon, however.
"They’ve called us and I haven’t had a chance to get back with them,” Jocketty said on Wednesday.
The agent for Moises Alou contacted the Reds but there is no interest in the veteran outfielder."
You went full retard. No one ever comes back from that. - Sgt. Osiris
This is good to hear!
The RR community wants to have JR’s baby.
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"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just happy
there’s no interest in Moises Alou.
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
that's knick knack who's overgeneralizing
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Dec 10, 2008 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Right again, MM
I seem to have confused my top hat-wearing Bond villain sidekicks in movies containing the word “Gold.”
awwwwwsome
“The agent for Moises Alou contacted the Reds but there is no interest in the veteran outfielder.” this takes giants steps towards assuaging my fears that Baker has a say in the construction of his roster. you just know that he was secretly all up ons the idea of bringing back old man Moses.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2008 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
my terror is not going to be assuaged until Corey Patterson either retires or is signed by the Nationals
Then I’ll know Dusty is being held in check
Huh, huh.
You misspelled sausage.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 10, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Rocco Baldelli?
Seriously?
He was a nice story last year, but as a DH he can’t play everyday. The Reds won’t be able to have him split time between the outfield and DH.
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by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
How about a Baldelli-Dickerson platoon?
That could be very productive. Then sign Burrell and then I think the Reds are going places. Or maybe the Reds could get Burrell and Rivera and stick Bruce in CF.
You went full retard. No one ever comes back from that. - Sgt. Osiris
Sounds like a season full of bad penis jokes.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Dec 10, 2008 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
What makes you think they have bad penises?
Is it too late to become a robber baron?
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 10, 2008 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
see, it could be a season full of great penis jokes
I’m still pouting over the fact that my “Hairston should never block Dickerson” joke of last season didn’t end the internet.
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by Man Mountain on Dec 10, 2008 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm sure the Reds' crack medical
staff would do wonders for Baldelli and his mitochondrial disorder. Kremchek would have to buy a fancy new stick for that one.
by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 10, 2008 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
not one to point fingers
but….
neil young
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 10, 2008 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like that would fall outside of Kremchek's specialty and Kremcheck wouldn't treat his mitochondrial disorder
Instead he would have to find a specialist in Cincinnati to take care of that.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Phillies have acquired Ronny Paulino
from Pittsburgh for AAA catcher Jason Jaramillo. Speculation has this to mean Chris Coste will be packaged as part of a deal for Mark DeRosa.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 10, 2008 9:26 PM EST reply actions
We have 2 and 1/2 outfielders now, seeing as how NoHo cannot hit the ball out of the infield.
A right handed bat would good, especially veteran RH bat. Why? Well there’s knifey spooney
which sometimes actually can be a good thing AND it would be nice to have a hammer who really hits LH pitching well, if for no other reason that to have him as a PH.
Unless there’s someone I’m unaware down on the farm the team needs a Beltre and a Dye.
Until some one Young comes along – (Delmon of the Prince diet) maybe.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
Well Crolfs one or the other would work short term
But we need some OF’s (RH hitting preferred) cause now we’ve only got 2 and 1/2 seeing how NoHo can’t hit the ball out of the infield.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
NoHo NoWay NoHow
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Dec 10, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd prefer Crolfer in LF over Norris and I mean it damn it!
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Sir Winston Churchill
you have a soft spot for Crolfer don't you?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
This is true
If this team has Beltre and Dye we go to the playoffs.
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 10, 2008 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Why would we want that?
A letter of apology for another losing season would be so much cheaper for management
And Edwin Jackson is a Tiger.
Detroit traded OF Matt Joyce to TB for him.
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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 10, 2008 9:51 PM EST reply actions
I'm not very knowledgeable
but sounds like a good trade for Detroit. Seemed like Jackson turned a corner of sorts last year.
Edwin Jackson is fool's gold
His peripherals do not excite me at all.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
Well I was only well acquainted with him as he was a waiver wire pickup in your Satanically difficult fantasy league
I wasn’t saying he was any better than an O.K. 5th starter
I don't really get the strategy for Detroit here.
Their farm system is not strong after the last couple seasons of trades, and they’re trading what’s left for mediocre stop-gaps.
Maybe they can win next year? I don’t really feel that.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
why do i feel like Detroit had a chance to be really good for a number of years
but decided to trade there young minor league talent, for aging expensive veterans, and now instead of being the good young inexpensive team that has a farm system that could continue to feed the big league team for a few years, they are an expensive mediocre team, with no farm system? I realize that Bonderman, Verlander, and Robertson haven’t followed the plan but still.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Cabrera is young
but how were they supposed to know he was going to turn into the fattest person ever?
i thinking more in the lines of
Sheffield, Willis (who is youngish, but everybody saw the D-Train jump the tracks in 2007, I don’t know how anybody thought a move the A.L. would help.) Renteria etc…
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by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Its hard to keep morale high when you live in Detroit
to fix the problem Sheffield needs a tune up, D-train will change his nickname to D-Toyota, and Cabrera will go on the UAW diet….1 pack of Ramen Noodles a broth for a days nutrition
He was fat pre-contract.
I think there was weight-loss clause in his extension, as well.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
Why do I feel like that did not need to be in the form of a question?
I think that’s a fair assessment.
Would better than average pitching have saved the tigers last year?
They scored 821 runs last year, good for 4th in the AL and 2nd in the division. So.. I guess, yeah, it would definitely have helped. (Their offense was better than I thought)
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
sometimes i make statements in question form.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
As a Jeopardy veteran, I'd assume you'd be used to answers in question form
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
Actually, that's just an illusion.
They tape the whole thing backwards – so we ask the questions, and then they give us the answer.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
why spend all of that money and lose a prospect
just so they can win 79 games?
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
More reasons why the Winter Meetings are awesome
The Mets are working to get J.J. Putz apparently, and the Nats offered a deal to a player who isn’t an outfielder. Teixiera, 8 years, $160 million. Ridiculous.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
Does this put Beltre on the market?????
Which would be awesome!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 10, 2008 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
After today's events, I disagree
It’s contracts like today’s that remind us all how hateable (not a word) the Yankees are.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
Word.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
My plan
1. Sign Jerry Hairston
2. Sign Arther Rhodes of Reyes
3. Trade for Beltre
4. Trade for Dye
This also appears to be Walt’s plan but he has 3 and 4 switched.
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 10, 2008 10:51 PM EST reply actions
For what it's worth
I give Walt a B+ so far this off-season. A+ for style!!!!
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 10, 2008 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Towers gives him an A+ for style too...
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Can we agree one year of Dye is not worth the current asking price?
Beltre would be a dream, but if we’re talking stopgaps, why not go FA?
I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 10, 2008 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly why not
Why not sign Milton Bradley without losing anyone, he is a right and left handed bat
The only thing I can think of are off-field issues...
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
Priorities & FA
I’d sign Furcal before I traded for Beltre.
I know I am Crazy
But what about Austin Kearns? The Nats have around 20 outfielders on their 40 man roster. Send them one of Belisle/Maloney and maybe a guy like Sean Henry and you could probably get him. The Nats would probably want to clear some bank to give Texiera more money.
Of course the Reds and Nats don’t get along, Kearns has a hard time staying healthy, and hasnt been all that great in DC. But I’d rather have him over Juan Rivera.
Austin Kearns of
3 years/$17.5M (2007-09), plus 2010 club option
* 3 years/$17.5M (2007-09), plus 2010 club option
o signed extension with Washington 1/07 (avoided arbitration)
o 07:$3.5M, 08:$5M, 09:$8M, 10:$10M club option ($1M buyout)
Not too bad of a contract. I know Walt had a man crush on Kearns when he was in Cincy and Walt was in St Lou.
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I was thinking about Kearns yesterday, Kyle
It would be a clever move, but I fear that there are too many hurdles. Maybe if Bowden is fired this off-season, the Reds can reopen lines of communication with the Nats.
When Charlie was cheerleading for Delmon Young, actually, I started thinking about Elijah Dukes. Now, he’s a bad, bad dude, but as far as I can see, he’s been pretty quiet in DC. As Durham Bulls, Young and Dukes both had terrible reputations, but Dukes never brought it on the field the way Young did.
If the Reds are going to consider bringing in someone like Young, they might as well consider bringing in Dukes. He’s a much better hitter.
I ain’t e’en bullshittin’
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Dec 11, 2008 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
One thing.....
Kearns isnt good…..I rather take Aaron Boone, Sean Casey, Felipe Lopez, Rich Aurilia, or even Ted Klu back
Kearns .260/.354 /.435 OPS .789
Rivera .284/.331/.468 OPS .799
Kearns is 2 years younger, has 30 more career bombs, and plays much better D than Rivera. Rivera hasn’t been a regular outfielder in over 2 years. So if he is someone we are talking to and someone that might cost us 20 to 25 million over 3 years, why not trade for a more known commodity that is all ready well-liked by the fan base and has just one guaranteed year with a somewhat reasonable option? If he doesnt play well in 2009 you have several younger options you can replace him with in 2010.
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Rivera has significant upside if given the playing time
Kearns has shown his wares…and that Freel doesn’t have the market cornered on foxy ladies:
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 10, 2008 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'm completely uninspired by Rivera
He doesn’t walk very much and I think has had enough time – in the aggregate – to prove himself.
If you’re talking stopgaps anyway — there’s Milton Bradley or Pat Burrell, then everyone else. And if you’re hedging bets against an outfield of, say, Votto/Stubbs/Bruce, I think Hermida has a more promising upside. If we somehow net Beltre, I think you could do much worse than Encarnacion/Hermida/Bruce/Dickerson with Stubbs waiting in the wings. If Beltre isn’t an option, I think you take a run at a free agent and let the younglings develop.
I got to go down to the stadium and whip batteries at the players on both teams. - Philly Boy Roy
by RijoSaboCaseyWKRP on Dec 11, 2008 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
i feel like walt doesn't like to deal with Bowden
or it could just be Fay’s incorrect assumption.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 11, 2008 2:24 AM EST up reply actions
One last rant before I get off here
Fuck you Jake Peavy…..you listed pretty much every team in the NL Central besides the Reds as a team you would be interested in. Not that I want you, but fuck you for making that gesture. You are not going to be made a Cub, you are going to stay in San Diego and I hope you get nailed by a scorpion.
Fuck you C.C….you are fat, and the Yankees do nothing but waste money. You are good, but you are not ever going to post the numbers you did this year for the Yankees.
They paid you an A.L. pitcher pitching in the N.L. salary, but now you will once again be an A.L. pitcher in the A.L.
Mussina could come back next year for the N.L. and post a 1.79 E.R.A. and that more than likely is not true, but it feels good saying it.
You did not want to go to New York because you knew it would make people hate you, well guess what? you played for the Brewers so I already hated you.
CC, I hope someday you and Peavy go in for an intense high five with one another, but at the same time your freakishly athletic and gifted arms go faster and harder than you intend, than you miss the high five entirely and lock elbows at a high velocity, ending both of your careers.
by Reynard on Dec 10, 2008 11:25 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Solid.
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 11, 2008 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
Forget it, he's rolling
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Dec 11, 2008 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I love it
As a Red Sox fan, I love what the Yankees are doing this off-season. ‘Cause it’s exactly what they been doing for the last decade and has taken a lot of the fear out of that organization. Seven years for CC? Seven?! Tell me that’s not gonna turn sour in like a year and a half. Five for Peavy? Five?! Tell me that’s not going to blow up THIS YEAR. I love watching the Yankess make horrific business decisions. I don’t even care if they’ve got enough money to bandage it. I don’t.
Youth wins games; veteran presence wins championships!
the yankees got peavy?
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 11, 2008 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
It's worth noting that the Yankees cleared a ton of salary this off season
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by Man Mountain on Dec 11, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
No they don't have Peavy yet
But they offered 5 years.
And yes, they did clear some salary. But 7 years?!
Youth wins games; veteran presence wins championships!
peavy isn't a free agent
how’d they offer 5 years?
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 11, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Perhaps he means Burnett.
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by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Dec 11, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
that makes more sense
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Dec 11, 2008 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
or they tried to negotiate an extension with Peavy so he would wave his no trade clause
Clearing the way for them to trade Prince Fielder to San Diego.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Dec 11, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I thought the Yankees were trading Fielder to Milwaukee...
"So how do like the Reds owner, Marge Schott?" - Dave Letterman
"What - she's my boss. You want me to say something bad about her?" - Chris Sabo
by PeteyHendrix on Dec 11, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Um....
I guess the Mets kind of hated their relief pitching, huh?
(Sorry for the huffingtonpost link, saw it on the AP ticker)
Their bullpen is downright frightening now.
Provided that Putz is more the pitcher we saw in 2006 and 2007 rather than 2008, which I think is reasonable to believe provided his injury issues are gone.
I’m also getting tired of the Mets repeatedly picking up top-level talent for cheap (Johan, K-Rod, now Putz). The Reds should try packaging 8 or 9 of their mediocre prospects and see what they can get in return since it seems to go pretty well for the Mets.
we tried
taveras, atkins, and only hits in the playoffs 1 year catcher guy
They added 102 saves to their bullpen in the span of 24 hours.
That’s just ridiculous.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 11, 2008 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
wow
they’re probably going to win like 130 games next year.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
Yeah, it's a shame
the Braves and the Phillies will win 132 and 131 respectively and the Mets will miss the playoffs again
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Dec 11, 2008 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
what's great is that they will be 130-20
but lose their last 12 games to miss winning the division.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
Why the fuck is Lebron a Yankee fan?
This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
by Dave from Louisville on Dec 11, 2008 7:40 AM EST reply actions
So you never heard this?
I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some, people out there in our nation don’t have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, education like such as, uh, South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future, for our [children].
Doesn't it seem like most athletes are front runners?
It seems to make a lot of sense to me. Why wouldn’t you want to associate yourself with winning and the hype?
All Mickey Mouse films are founded on the motif of leaving home in order to learn what fear is.
by Man Mountain on Dec 11, 2008 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Posnanski (9/9/9) made a case
that it’s because Lebron didn’t have a father around to inflict Cleveland sports fandom on him.
here it is
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/10/12/lebrons-hat/
When Pos warns you that it’s a long one you know you’re in for it.
Flavor of the Day
Rocco Baldelli! Here’s an excerpt from some blog in Rhode Island, via Lance:
A group of Cincinnati Reds personnel, including manager Dusty Baker, were playing roulette Tuesday night. A member of the contingent yelled “Put it on No. 5 for Rocco Baldelli” and now it appears the Reds are having talks with his agent.
The member of the Reds contingent had obviously never heard of Johnny Bench, but this is kind of interesting. It seems like exactly the type of guy that would play CF and bat leadoff despite a low OBP, and surprise, he’s right handed.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
He might be a good platoon option with Dickerson
Dickerson vs RHP (minors): .272/.364/.464
Baldelli vs LHP (majors): .296/.347/.494
And then if there is any chance that he hits like he did as a 24-year old in 2006 (.302/.339/.533), he can play everyday.
We’’re in process of trying to a guy with a trade record of working with pitches
well...
he can play everyday
Minus that whole mitochondria thing in his legs.
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by justin007000 on Dec 11, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't be opposed to Baldelli
But tell me this isn’t how our management lands on potential players to pursue.
Youth wins games; veteran presence wins championships!
The worst part
They were betting on black.
by Brendanukkah on Dec 11, 2008 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
THAT'S RACIST!
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by justin007000 on Dec 11, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
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