Rumor-mill: Jeremy Hermida

by Slyde on Dec 10, 2008 1:31 PM EST in Hot Stove

According to Mike Berardino, the Reds might be a good match in a trade for Jeremy Hermida. Would he be a good match for the Reds?

His last 3 seasons:

Year	PA	HR	RBI	SB	AVG	OBP	SLG	wOBA	RAR	FRAR	TtlVal
2006	348	5	28	4	.251	.332	.368	.310	4.4	5.0	6.7
2007	484	18	63	3	.296	.369	.501	.372	30.7	5.4	32.0
2008	559	17	61	6	.249	.323	.406	.321	11.3	0.0	6.8

Those numbers don't look that great, but then again, he's only 25 next year and he put those numbers up in Florida. That's why his projections look a lot better than you might expect:

System	AVG	OBP	SLG	wOBA
Bill James	.275	.363	.459	.362
Marcel	.271	.348	.440	.343

I think this is definitely somebody worth pursuing. He's a pretty good defender, though either he or Bruce would need to move out of RF. He's still young. And if he could possibly be acquired for Owings or Bailey like Berardino suggests, I'd be all for it. This isn't acquiring a 35-year old poor defender who might decline. This is a young player with some strong upside. This is the kind of player the Reds should be acquiring.

UPDATE: I forgot that he hits left-handed, but that doesn't change my thinking. I don't believe the Reds have to focus solely on RHB. I think the need good hitters, regardless of what side of the plate they stand on. I think Hermida will be a good hitter next year and in the future.

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Barardino has an update:

"One of those two trade proposals the Marlins submitted Tuesday was rejected early Wednesday morning by the defending American League champion Rays.

Jeremy Hermida for two top pitching prospects, likely from a group including RHPs Jeff Niemann, Wade Davis, Jeremy Hellickson and Mitch Talbot.

The chances of the deal being revisited and accepted are “slim and none,” according to a baseball person who had been briefed on the talks.

The Reds make sense for Hermida with their great need for outfielders, but as of Wednesday morning they had yet to inquire about him.

The other trade proposal involved Matt Treanor, who is likely to be non-tendered by Friday’s midnight deadline. It’s unknown which team fielded the proposal.

The Reds had shown some interest in Treanor before acquiring Ramon Hernandez from the Orioles on Tuesday."

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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 10, 2008 1:43 PM EST reply actions

I get the feeling that "right-handed bat"

has obtained a mythic status at this point for the Reds and their fans. I’d be very surprised if they pursue Hermida

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by Man Mountain on Dec 10, 2008 1:43 PM EST reply actions

yeah

I was more excited by the idea when I was thinking he was right-handed. Since then, I find it less likely, though I’d still do it.

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by Slyde on Dec 10, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions

Willy Taveras is happening

Oh, and you’re right that this is exactly the type of move a team like the Reds should make. Go grab a young player with huge potential coming off a down year for a team looking to dump players. The fact that he doesn’t fit the mold of a “right-handed bat” perfectly shouldn’t matter.

With teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Cubs, etc throwing insane money around, smaller teams can’t make the perfect the enemy of the good.

But, to reiterate, Willy Taveras is happening

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by Man Mountain on Dec 10, 2008 2:28 PM EST up reply actions

I'm keeping the faith, and saying Taveras won't be a Red on Opening Day

’Sides, my money is still on Pat Burrell.

by Brendanukkah on Dec 10, 2008 2:38 PM EST up reply actions

hey

shut up

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions

good conversation

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by Man Mountain on Dec 10, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions

thank you

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions

comparing Hermida

here’s a comparison of career numbers:

Hermida – .through his age 24 season: 267/.342/.436; wOBA .339; BB% 9.5; K% 25.4; LD% 19.5; UZR -4.5 RF
??? – through his age 25 season: .266/.346/.455; wOBA .349; BB% 9.0; K% 20.1; LD% 19.2; UZR -11.5 3B

Hermida Ks a bit more and SLGs a tad less, but ??? plays a (marginally) more difficult defensive position, albeit not as well as Hermida plays RF. and Hermida’s SLG numbers are much better away from Dolphin Stadium. both could make a move to play LF and do just fine out there.

so who is the mystery guy? would you trade Owings to get him?

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2008 1:53 PM EST reply actions

why would I trade for Edwin when I already have him?

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by Slyde on Dec 10, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions

Why not. Wouldn't cost anything.

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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 10, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions

i could never agree with myself about who I'd get in return

by bbjones on Dec 11, 2008 12:02 AM EST up reply actions

would is a hypothetical

if that player were available, would you trade Owings to get him? common Slyde, im trying to make a point here.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions

yes

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by Slyde on Dec 10, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions

ok

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions

good conversation

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by Slyde on Dec 10, 2008 2:06 PM EST up reply actions

thank you

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions

i would too, by the way

i was just trying to illustrate that Hermida could be a good candidate for a breakout, much like our lovable EdE. a move to an easier defensive position would help, and moving from Dolphin Stadium into GABP would really boost his LH power numbers. he SLGs 60 points better on the road, and he OPSs 1.202 at GABP (in 31 PAs). i like it.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions

If you're going to use

fancy stats and reasoning and stuff like that, then, well, sure, I’d do it.

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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 10, 2008 2:32 PM EST up reply actions

I'm for it.

I’m all for young talent. Worst case, trade him to someone else later. Something tells me that’s what Bowden’s trying to do in DC. If he collects all the available OF’s, then everyone has to come to him. Bwa-hahahha!

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by ben nevis on Dec 10, 2008 2:12 PM EST reply actions

Jeremy Hermida

Yawn.

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by Madville on Dec 10, 2008 2:19 PM EST reply actions

Rather have DeMeathook

I’ll take the right-handed bat of Delmon Young over Hermida any day. If the Twins want to deal the attitude problem, I think Dusty can set him straight. Young is 4 years younger than Hermida and has base-stealing ability.

Young has pop (I know last year’s numbers were a disaster) but he was trying to play small ball, too much.

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by LastRites on Dec 10, 2008 2:23 PM EST reply actions

And you think Dusty

is going to correct someone’s small ball complex?

by Pops Daniels on Dec 10, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions

I'm for good hitters, regardless of LH or RH

Votto and Bruce are the only starters guaranteed spots for next year, right? Why would adding a 3rd lefty bat hurt and why are the Reds so determined that the outfield bat that they add be a righty?

by rojosoto on Dec 10, 2008 2:46 PM EST reply actions

dont forget Phillips

he’s kinda good.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions

if i could edit my comment

i’d say the only lh hitters guaranteed spots for next year

by rojosoto on Dec 10, 2008 2:48 PM EST up reply actions

lefty or right

they need a bat or that offense looks iffy

by saboscork on Dec 10, 2008 5:59 PM EST up reply actions

Sabrs fell in love with his 2005 in Carolina (AA)

He was 20 years old in AA
386 ab’s
49 xbh
111 bb
89 k
23 sb/2 cs
.293 avg
.457 obp
.518 slg

I think the 95bb and 243k the past two years years over 931 ab’s is quite a bit worse than folks expected out of his plate discipline. He also seems to have been injured a lot the past three seasons.

There’s enough there IMO to go after him if the cost were someone like Owings. But there appears to be too much risk if their true asking price is 2 top pitching prospects. I wouldn’t give them Bailey + Owings.

by rojosoto on Dec 10, 2008 2:57 PM EST reply actions

Apparently Walt is good at playing "coy"

"He’s tough," Towers said. "He’s such a likable guy, but I can’t read him. I’ve never been able to read him. And I mean that in a good way. He kind of reels you in and plays hard to get.

"It’s kind of like the Sadie Hawkins dance. That first dance is so special, then, all of a sudden she’s in the bathroom with her friends for an hour. You want to know: ‘When is she going to come out and engage me again?’ "

I am not quite sure what to think of Towers quote.

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by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 3:02 PM EST reply actions

Is Sadie LaTroy's sister?

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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 10, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions

Huh

Didn’t think I’d find myself a little flustered by a description of Walt Jocketty when I woke up this morning, but that’s the beauty of a new day. So full of surprises!

by Brendanukkah on Dec 10, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions

honestly who wouldn't want to dance with this:

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by justin007000 on Dec 10, 2008 3:10 PM EST up reply actions

I heard Jocko's nickname

in college was “The Kneeslapper” and it wasn’t because of his sense of humor.

by Joe Nolan's Glasses on Dec 10, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions

I heard it was 4 inches

but most other GM’s don’t like ’em that thick.

by Pops Daniels on Dec 10, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions

As Dave from Louisville might say

“That was absolutely an metaphor”*

*(an simile)

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by Man Mountain on Dec 10, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions

I don't get the RH bat fetish

first, we have a few good RH bats – EdE and Phillips – and the catcher we acquired isn’t too bad. We have 2 good LH hitters – Votto and Bruce. Now, if we still had Dunn and good Griffey, I could understand the desire for a RH bat, but we aren’t nearly as LH heavy as people think.

Plus, most pitchers are right-handed!!!

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by JJ on Dec 10, 2008 3:45 PM EST reply actions

Hermida's ZiPS projection

271/352/468, 117 OPS+, 479 AB, average defense in either corner. Consistent with rojosoto’s comments about Hermida’s minor league pedigree, Szym’s spotlight profile projects for him a non-trivial chance of a real breakout.

by ken on Dec 10, 2008 5:36 PM EST reply actions

Thanks!

I’m ready for Szym to hurry up and release all his ZiPS projections so I can start using them regularly as well. Looks like his numbers are in line with the other projections though. Sounds like Hermida has a good chance to be a solid bat with some decent breakout potential.

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by Slyde on Dec 10, 2008 5:43 PM EST up reply actions

I like Hermida a lot

Or perhaps I’m just partial to outfielders with the initials J.H.

by Brendanukkah on Dec 10, 2008 5:44 PM EST up reply actions

Could be

Josh Hamilton
Jerry Hairston
Jay Hova
Jadam Hdunn

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by Slyde on Dec 10, 2008 5:51 PM EST up reply actions

Jadam is the pride of the Iraqi baseball empire

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by BK on Dec 10, 2008 5:54 PM EST up reply actions

all your bases are belong to us

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by Man Mountain on Dec 10, 2008 6:23 PM EST up reply actions

Joe Jonas

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by Madville on Dec 10, 2008 9:52 PM EST up reply actions

Fish want catching for Hermida.

This from Geoff Bakerof the Seattle Times:

“Some quick Mariners talk before I get further into this post: the Florida Marlins, in need of catching help, have apparently offered outfielder Jeremy Hermida to both the Mariners and the Texas Rangers. The Marlins need catching, as I said, and Mariners Class AAA prospect Rob Johnson could be of interest, though we’re not sure whether that specific name was discussed.”

Of course, this is the guy who wrote yesterday that the Reds had signed Livan Hernandez, soooooooo …

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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 10, 2008 5:55 PM EST reply actions

Baker will always be known here as "the beat writer who cried Livan"

We don’t really have much to satisfy them on that front, do we? Would they want Hanigan? Ramon? Would Mesoraco be too much?

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by BK on Dec 10, 2008 5:57 PM EST up reply actions

Mesoraco wouldn't be too much

and he wouldn’t do it. They need catching now.

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by Slyde on Dec 10, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions

I think they're looking for

major league-ready catching. Rob Johnson would fit that bill and take over for Matt Treaner if he is non-tendered Friday. Mesoraco would be too far away, I suppose.

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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 10, 2008 5:59 PM EST up reply actions

I've heard Florida asked for Adam Moore,

who is likely to begin the year in AAA, so who knows what the Fish want?

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by Thundering Turtle on Dec 10, 2008 8:15 PM EST up reply actions

they could be looking for catching

but Florida strikes me as the kind of team that, in these situations, they look for the best available talent. if they want to make a deal for Hermida, they will ship him off to the team that offers the best acceptable talent.

by Charlie Scrabbles on Dec 10, 2008 8:19 PM EST up reply actions