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Fay posted a fairly quick report on Jocketty's action at the GM meetings. There's a condensed (barely) version on MLBTR. The good news is, Khalil Greene rumors are a lie. It's nice to see Jocketty recognizing that it just doesn't make any sense, especially long term. Also nice to see Jocketty refusing to offer up the young pitching base we've finally been able to establish, though MLBTR assumes Homer is movable. Finally catching is on the list. Isn't it on everyone's list? And Walt has begun talks with Hairston's people and will approach Weathers, Affeldt, and Lincoln about resigning.
It's not a ton of news, but what should be the approach on Hairston, Weathers, Affeldt, and Lincoln? What would you guys offer?
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offers
Hairston – minor league deal and invite to ST
Weathers – arbitration
Affeldt – 3 years, 13 mil
Lincoln – 1 year, 1.5 mil
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 7, 2008 1:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
adjustment
i was thinking Todd “BT” Coffey money for Lincoln, but i thought Coffey made around 1.5 mil last year. shoulda looked it up. Lincoln should get 900,000 or 1 mil.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 7, 2008 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lincoln made $25,000 annually during his second term
Which means Lincoln made about $2,885 in his second term. Start negotiations there.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 7, 2008 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Hairston is all of that
but if you offer him just a minor league deal and an invite to spring training his agent isn’t very likely to ever discuss players with you again. Is he likely to repeat his season last year? Absolutely not. That said, he did nothing but help you win ballgames last year, more so than a whole lot of other players on your team did. Offering him that kind of deal is not professional at all and would have a lot of people in the business looking at you very unfriendly.
by dougdirt on Nov 7, 2008 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
unprofessional?
the invite to spring training would be delivered in a pretty envelope with a nice seal
by jacob brumfield on Nov 7, 2008 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was just being glib
of course he deserves more respect than that, but what i was really trying to say is that i dont want him on this team next year.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 7, 2008 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Marcus Thames anyone?
This from the Detroit Free Press:
"Watch the Reds: The Cincinnati Reds could be a trading partner for the Tigers this off-season.
Cincinnati would like to add a power-hitting outfielder, which corresponds to one of Detroit’s organizational strengths. And there is a degree of familiarity between the clubs, thanks to the close relationship between Tigers manager Jim Leyland and Reds GM Walt Jocketty.
Tigers leftfielder Marcus Thames may be an ideal fit for the Reds. Great American Ball Park is considerably smaller than Comerica Park, which would help Thames hit even more home runs and limit the territory he would need to cover defensively. Thames hit 25 home runs in only 316 at-bats this year."
I’ll pass. Thames has some power, from the right side but can’t get on base unless he’s rounding them. He poor defensively and he’ll be 32 on opening day. Is that worth a solid bullpen arm?
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by Thundering Turtle on Nov 7, 2008 2:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Also, Ramon Hernandez might be available soon.
From Roch Kubato at MASN:
“Anyway, Zrebiec – who still bears a striking resemblance to Placido Polanco – predicts that the Orioles will "take it on the chin” and eat catcher Ramon Hernandez’s contract. Hernandez already has stated that he doesn’t want to play first base with free agency approaching, and the Orioles want to clear room for Matt Wieters and rid themselves of a player who’s worn out his welcome."
If the Orioles simply cut Hernandez, maybe the Reds make a play for him. He’s not great, but there’s not a lot out there as far as catching goes. Then again, I might be just as happy with giving Hanigan the starting job.
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by Thundering Turtle on Nov 7, 2008 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Hanigan's the starter
But without looking at the numbers, Hernandez seems like a guy I’d like to have on staff.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 7, 2008 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After looking at the numbers
I like Hernandez. He’s got some power, hitting 15 dingers last year and averaging 21 homers in his years in San Diego. He throws out about 20% of basestealers, which isn’t great. His arm is down from his peak a couple years ago. He actually strikes me as being a lot like David Ross. He does seem more like back up than starter at this point in his career. If the Orioles cut him, I think we should definitely float an offer, but definitely at a pay cut. Not sure what his salary was last year, but in 2007 it was $6.5M. I wouldn’t want to give him any more than $3M.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 7, 2008 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I seriously doubt they'd just cut him loose
Given the stated desire by a number of clubs for catching, I don’t think they’d let a guy with offensive numbers like his just walk. They are probably willing to eat some salary, but they’ll want prospects.
$7.5M is an awful lot to pay a back-up/platoon catcher
by bengalred on Nov 7, 2008 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reds minor league free agents from BA:
Cincinnati Reds (9)
RHP: Michael Hrynio (AA), Justin Lehr (AAA), Joe Valentine (AA)
LHP: Bobby Livingston (AAA)
C: Alvin Colina (AAA)
1B: Kevin Barker (AAA), Tonys Gutierrez (AA)
3B: Aaron Herr (AAA)
OF: Rob Mackowiak (AAA)
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by Thundering Turtle on Nov 7, 2008 2:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
my offers
I would offer Hairston a one year $500,000 contract
Weathers-I think arbitration is the best offer, since he should be a type B free agent.
Affeldt-I’d love to see Affeldt back; maybe a 3 year $14M contract.
Lincoln-One year at most $1M, probably $900,000.
I am not sold on Lincoln they said that he sucked in the second half because of fatigue. I don’t really want to spend too much on a relief pitcher who can only be affective for half a season. He got through last season in tact but his arm is still fragile.
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by justin007000 on Nov 7, 2008 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you guys sure do want to give affeldt a lot of money
I’m ok if he comes back, not not for that much…
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by chandrathan on Nov 7, 2008 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nor
that many years.
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by Pops Daniels on Nov 7, 2008 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they are being realistic
Affeldt will get three years somewhere and it will be for more than 5mil per
by jacob brumfield on Nov 7, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good for him...
It just shouldn’t be in Cincinnati
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by chandrathan on Nov 7, 2008 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my take
Weathers—arb, see ya later
Hairston—2 years, 2.5 mil, 3rd yr club option @ 2 mil, 100K buyout
Affeldt—4 years, 12 mil, with incentives up to 20 mil, 5th yr club option @ 5 mil, 100K buyout
Lincoln—2 years, 3 mil, 3rd yr club option @ 2.5mil, 250K buyout
Thanks for the pick Stormy. Hopefully Affeldt will be effective long term and earn the extra dough. I don’t view Hairston as a bonafide starter, but the utility guy who would be covering all the injuries and days off (2-3 starts a week). I know the argument is we don’t need Cherry because we have Freel. But I think they are both neccesary as injury insurance to one another. And I realize how expensive they are combined, but I view their role as an essential(high OBP, speed, utility, team sparkplug[sorry gay term, but both guys energize the team when they are a part of the lineup]). I am meh on Lincoln, but would rather see him excel in our bullpen than somebody elses.
by jacob brumfield on Nov 7, 2008 4:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i dont think we need Hairston for insurance against Freel, and vice versa
i think we need a competent, versatile, cheap, and most importantly healthy player on the bench. two injury risks is two too many. if we resign Hairston, that gives us him, Freel, Keppinger, and Rosales on the bench, and they are all pretty much the same type of player. Rosales is athletic, versatile, cheap and a decent hitter. and he has the most upside of all 4 of them. give him an outfield glove and teach him how to hold his own out there this winter. he’s your answer.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 7, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Beer is the solution!
Or at least the Brewers provide links to the solution.
Pat Burrell declared free agency yesterday. I haven’t exactly been enthusiastic about it, but I’ve been proclaiming him as the 2009 LF ever since Adam Dunn was traded. He’s pretty much the same player as Dunn – big bat, suspect fielding – but older, pricier and right-handed. And now he has a World Series ring, so that veteran presence is off the charts.
The Phillies also provide an outlet for our log jam of Jerry Hairstons. If they don’t resign Burrell, Cherry is one of the players whose names have surfaced as a replacement. I’m not joking.
So there you go. Problems solved.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 7, 2008 4:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So there you go. Problems solved created for new teams.
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by chandrathan on Nov 7, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's your new beefcake, Mt. Adams

Pat reportedly doesn’t hit the town like he did in his bachelor days, but maybe Bronson can get him back into the swinging of things.
by ken on Nov 7, 2008 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we, mom? Please!
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by gejoe on Nov 7, 2008 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Cameron
might still be available.
One of the NY beat reporters says that the reason the Brewers are holding onto Cameron is that he’s best buds with Sabathia. They’re hoping keeping Cameron on the team will encourage Sabathia to stay. If Sabathia leaves anyway, Cameron could be on the block.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 7, 2008 6:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like Mike Camerson - he got a year or two still in him and can play D.
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by Madville on Nov 8, 2008 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably can forget Brian Roberts.
From the Cleveland Plain Dealer:
“Yes, the Indians like Orioles second baseman Brian Roberts, but Shapiro isn’t going to give up Fausto Carmona and Asdrubal Cabrera to get him. If the Orioles lower their asking price, Shapiro is willing to talk.”
That’s a rough equivalent of what, Cueto and Keppinger?
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by Thundering Turtle on Nov 7, 2008 6:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Weathers— 1 year $900,000
Hairston—1 year, 1.5 mil,
Affeldt—2 years, 12 mil,
Lincoln—1 year 1.1 mil,
Stormy is good for i year, if not cut your losses and drop him ala Hatteberg
Hairston can still play SS, Freel can’t – Freel needs to go
Affeldt – Fair market value for a good lefty and every team needs an evangelical Christian
Lincoln- Glad I don’t have to make this choice…but I’d still give him another go
Oh and I’d definitely trade Cueto and Kepp for Brian Roberts, provided that BP moves to short.
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by Madville on Nov 7, 2008 7:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly... I don't really want Roberts...
I think he’s already past his prime.
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by crolfer on Nov 7, 2008 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't mistake past his prime for bad.
Besides, Barry Larkin had his 4 best seasons from age 31-34, though he only played 73 games as a 33-year old. We’re not talking about a 35-year old player with Roberts, he’s still got plenty of good years ahead of him.
But I wouldn’t trade Cueto for him.
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by Slyde on Nov 7, 2008 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
F-tards
I wouldnt trade Cueto, period. Are you flipping nuts people? If memory serves me right wasnt a young Pedro Martinez traded for Delino DeShields? Not the same, but comparable…
Why anyone is discussing trading a young, live arm is beyond me. Dumb, dumb, dumb. And, yes, id say that even if we drafted Lincecum over Stubbs dammit.
Also, it just might be pertinent to mention that the Heidi Klum Guitar Hero commercial is my favorite evah, and its not even close…..
by obc2 on Nov 8, 2008 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
obc, my man, you got to give something to get something - Just ask Bill Clinton
Of all the young pitchers the Reds have, Cueto (with exception of Bailey) is the one least likely to have a stellar career. Wh ?…its the way I hear the ball hit the catcher’s glove….I don’t know – he seems least likely to have the emotional make – up to achieve the consistency that he must have to be successful. Plus I wouldn’t just trade his arm I ’d trade all of him.
Normally I’d not ever want to give up pitching but we need some better D and some consistent O because we can’t win with pitching alone.
We’ve got Harang, Bronson, Voltron, Ramon Rameriz and several young guys looking for spot. I’d give up Cueto for Roberts (or a LF Banger) and the right prospect.
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by Madville on Nov 8, 2008 1:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"its the way I hear the ball hit the catcher’s glove"
Dusty, is that you? :)
Seriously though, I agree about the emotional makeup bit. The thing with Cueto is that the wheels don’t just come off quick, the wheels come off sending the car into the median into oncoming traffic where a fiery 43 car pileup happens.
When EV gets in some trouble I fully expect him to hunker down and get out of it. With Cueto I’m scared he’s gonna go Zambrano on us. Just my gut feeling. See what I did there? Brought it full circle….pay it forward.
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by jch24 on Nov 8, 2008 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cueto will have a better ERA than Volquez next season
there, I said it.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 8, 2008 7:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But what about the next 5 years?
Phillies need pitching and if they don’t move Rollins then Donald might be had for someone not in top 4 of the rotation. I also like Andrus of Texas, maybe a deal with a catcher for 2 starters and a bullpen ready arm.
by SadbutTrue on Nov 8, 2008 7:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you are asking me if I'd trade Cueto
the answer is no.
I doubt Donald is had for one of the Reds 5th starter options – the Phillies have a bunch of those guys already. I have no idea what’s going to happen on the catcher market this year, but it seems like Texas pretty much has the choice of whoever they want right now since so many teams are hoping to snag one of their catchers. Not that the Reds should stay out of it, but it’s funny to hear all of the lust for Gerald Laird.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 8, 2008 8:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, no way I'd trade Cueto.
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Nov 8, 2008 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping it wasn't Johnny Rotten
thinking Thompson Dorn. I wouldn’t deal JC or EV maybe BA but need Good young talent. Laird sucks I want TT, for Ramirez, Burton, Janish, and sadly Homer they throw in Elvis
by SadbutTrue on Nov 8, 2008 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well who asked you Slyde
Mr. Supreme Ruler and all
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by Madville on Nov 8, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree 100%
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by chandrathan on Nov 8, 2008 8:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
virtual beers just aren't satisfying
but I’d bet one on EV’s ERA being better than JC’s.
by ol Pete on Nov 8, 2008 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
copatbakerlovechild
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 8, 2008 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When someone makes a prediction here
It’s designated by some crazy thrown-together word as above. I believe it started as AshNarronlovechild, because we had a poster here that had a bit of a crush on Mr. Narron.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 9, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
she wanted to have his baby
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Nov 9, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are you serious?
I thought youse guys were just picking on Ash.
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by BubbaFan on Nov 9, 2008 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone didn't read the wiki
http://redreporter.wikidot.com/ashnarronlovechild
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by BK on Nov 9, 2008 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I stand by my inflammatory accusations :)
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 9, 2008 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet you EV's is better Slyde
here’s the wager:
If I’m right Crolfer has to come to my house and yard work for a week
If I’m wrong Crolfs goes to <em>your house for a week to do yard work?
Are we on?
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by Madville on Nov 8, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Nov 8, 2008 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
mmmmmmmmmm
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 8, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you guys are too funny!
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by gejoe on Nov 8, 2008 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh pedophilia
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by justin007000 on Nov 9, 2008 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
... ummmm... I guarantee everything will be worse than it was before.
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by crolfer on Nov 9, 2008 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a bet?
You’re on. Whoever loses has to fish ’tHan out of the bathroom at the next RR gathering.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 8, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its a Dunn deal for my part - jch
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by Madville on Nov 8, 2008 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mine
I’d offer Hairston nothing more than 2 years with a modest salary. Guy hasn’t shown he can stay healthy, which was the knock on him before coming to CIN. Still, he did a good job this year. Weathers I’d like to see back for two years, Lincoln for one, Affeldt for 3. I have no interest in trading even a Bailey unless it nets Holliday with a new contract. Otherwise, what’s the point? This team can contend for the playoffs in 2010 with the right moves and some patience. I don’t support selling off young players just to hit .500 in 2009 (which I think they’ll do anyway).
by jamesp50014 on Nov 8, 2008 5:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Weathers for two?
You have more appetite for pain than I do, my friend.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 8, 2008 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday is going to St. Louis for Ludwick and others
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by gejoe on Nov 8, 2008 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm thinking Philly
Victorino and a prospect
by ol Pete on Nov 9, 2008 8:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If this is true, the Reds really need to make a move this offseason
Especially because Chicago looks like it’s going to get Peavy. Acquiring Adrian Beltre is seeming like a better move each and every day.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 9, 2008 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the fascination with Beltre
Ok, he could be an upgrade defensively over EE, but offensively its a wash at best.
Look at his 162 game average (at baseball-reference.com)
25 HR 89 RBI .271/.327/.459 107 OPS+
Beltre also had one super insane outlier of a career year in 2004 with 48 homers and .334/.388/.629
Here’s EE’s 162 game average by comparison
23 HR 85 RBI .266/.346/.455 103 OPS+
And remember, not inflated by crazy career year.
Also, Edwin is nearly four years younger. I’d rather just keep Edwin and work with him on defense and find someone for leftfield and upgrade at SS. Or if we want to get Beltre, fine, but then keep Edwin and move him to LF.
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by cesarhernandez on Nov 10, 2008 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think those of us who are pulling for an aquisition of Beltre
are doing so with a move of EdE to LF in mind. Beltre’s offensive production is basically identical to EdE’s, but his defense is around 40 runs better. 4 full wins at one defensive position is the kind of marked improvement its going to take to get this team into contention. not that winning 78 games is going to change the teams prospects, but its a start.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 10, 2008 12:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But they are too similar
To me, Beltre and Edwin are almost the same style of hitter. Both somewhat free-swinging (edwin less so) with mediocre batting averages. You could probably pitch these guys the same way and expect similar results.
Basically, I’m just not comfortable with cloning Edwin on offense. I want to get something superior to this production.
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by cesarhernandez on Nov 10, 2008 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's cliche
But didn’t Beltre put up those numbers in Dodger Stadium & SafeCo Field, less hitter-friendly parks than GABP? Should we take that into consideration when comparing their numbers?
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by jch24 on Nov 10, 2008 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OPS+ takes park factor into effect
so, in a way, we already did.
I found this out for the first time, by the way, last week.
...because there's already someone posing as Jacob Brumfield
by Cy Schourek on Nov 10, 2008 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one thing that OPS+ doesn't do is adjust for handedness in that park factor
it’s not always a huge differentiation, but based on OPS+, Beltre would likely hit 1 or 2 more home runs in GABP. A more detailed park factor, but not necessarily more accurate, would suggest a potential for 7 or 8 more home runs from Beltre because of the move. Obviously this is on paper and may not necessarily translate. But if we’re truly comparing parks, we can go deeper than OPS+ to get an idea of what affect the park might have on a player.
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by Slyde on Nov 10, 2008 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its has nothing to do with their offense
Beltre’s defense is 4 full wins better than EdE’s. to get that kind of increase in production from the offensive side, you would have to get a guy like David Wright. thats not going to happen.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 10, 2008 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Superior production to EdE/Beltre at 3B
None of these guys are available:
Chipper Jones
Alex Rodriguez
David Wright
Aramis Ramirez
Evan Longoria
All of these guys suck at defense:
Ty Wigginton
Garrett Atkins
Melvin Mora
Jorge Cantu
So, maybe one of these guys?
Troy Glaus
Carlos Guillen
I doubt Glaus is available, and given his injury history, I wouldn’t want to spend what it would take to get him for just one season. Guillen is guaranteed $36 million over the next 3 seasons. That’s a lot of dough.
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by Slyde on Nov 10, 2008 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my point exactly
Beltre is better enough to make a difference and seemingly cheap enough to not break the bank. they call that cinergy.
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 10, 2008 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
has Encarnacion even played one game in the outfield?
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by justin007000 on Nov 10, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no
but neither had Ryan Braun before last season
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 10, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
braun can sell computers
but don’t push him because he’ll snap
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by chandrathan on Nov 10, 2008 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am super not-fascinated with
Beltre’s OBP.
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by andromache on Nov 10, 2008 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
but I am fascinated with the idea that Beltre will be moving from a park where it’s hard for RH to hit home runs to the easiest park in baseball for RH to hit home runs. Oh, and it’s the easiest park in baseball for RH to hit doubles too. At the very least, GABP will emphasize the things that Beltre is already good at.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 10, 2008 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's true.
And the addition would certainly make this team better – I just wish this team would move in a different direction.
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by andromache on Nov 10, 2008 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
That’s why I’m more in favor of Brian Roberts than Adrian Beltre.
Honestly though, I don’t expect any of those deals to happen. I just keep talking about them because what the hell else are we gonna talk about?
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 10, 2008 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Politics? Race Relations? Religion? :)
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 10, 2008 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
honestly
I wish all of those conversations would stop. But I’m willing to let people talk about what’s on their minds, as long as they stay reasonably civil.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 10, 2008 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We could start talking about when they're gonna come out with Yacht Rock 12
The story of Gene Balboa in Kenny Loggins’s very dangerous zone MUST BE TOLD!
by Brendanukkah on Nov 10, 2008 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
But your politics, race, and religion all suck.
This place is like a sexy preschool.
by Gray on Nov 10, 2008 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When it comes to my politics, race, and religion
All I gotta say is, “Scoreboard, bitches!”
by Brendanukkah on Nov 10, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
fuck that's funny
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Nov 10, 2008 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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