Brandon Phillips wins NL Gold Glove
by kcox17 on Nov 5, 2008 4:53 PM EST
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[Note by Rick House, 11/05/08 5:01 PM EST ] Bumped from diaries. I'm a little surprised Brandon won this popularity contest over ChUtley, but I'll take it. Way to go, Brandon!
Just saw on the bottom line that Brandon Phillips won a gold glove. He committed only 7 errors this year in 140 games which was good for a fielding percent of .990 Congrats to Brandon and lets hope that he wins about 10 more with the Reds in addition to finally returning us to the playoffs.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3684696
Another fun fact to take up space. Houston made the least amount of errors this year and did not have anyone win.
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congratulations to BP
now do it again at shortstop.
"If you don't get the President of the United States on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you? You're gonna have to answer to the Coca-Cola company."
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 5, 2008 5:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And hope B. Roberts is winning one next to him
by bengalred on Nov 5, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I second that.
I heart Bip.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Nov 5, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't remember actually seeing him play for the reds
but he was the lead off hitter on Sega Game Gears World Series 1995 Baseball. I was about 7 at the time, and didn’t understand the whole power thing just batting averages so because he hit .320 something i made him my cleanup hitter, because my parents taught me the cleanup hiter is the best hitter in the lineup.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 5, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
note:
photograph is life size image of Bip Roberts
by jacob brumfield on Nov 5, 2008 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he is swinging some pipe.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 5, 2008 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's racist!
Vote Pops in '08. I promise nothing and I'll do it!
by Pops Daniels on Nov 6, 2008 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My first rec for you
but somebody better call the “Solid South” and tell them.
Vote Pops in '08. I promise nothing and I'll do it!
by Pops Daniels on Nov 6, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody did
Obama adds North Carolina to White House win
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Nov 6, 2008 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
green'd
Nobody listens to Andrew
by nlt-andrew68 on Nov 6, 2008 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bloodied
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 7, 2008 1:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Daedalus never lies
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 7, 2008 10:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused - Daedalus is a black male ?
The story tells of Daedalus building mechanical wings for his son Icarus and ever since the tale was told, man has lusted after the ability to take the sky and fly. – Is this some kind of transgendered thing….well, its really none of my biz but WWOD? (What Would Omama Do?).
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Nov 7, 2008 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
First Obama, now BP.
People are finally learning how to vote… no more chads…
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Nov 5, 2008 5:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who says?
I voted for Chad Moeller!
All Things Bubba: Because how can you not love a baseball player named Bubba?
by BubbaFan on Nov 5, 2008 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no more Chads
but there is one big fat Nate
"If you don't get the President of the United States on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you? You're gonna have to answer to the Coca-Cola company."
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 5, 2008 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight we'll all be taking golden showers!
by Red Menace on Nov 5, 2008 7:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i got nuthin’
Remember if a Democrat wins it's a mandate, if a Republican wins it's a law suit
by Caleb on Nov 5, 2008 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no... I... no...
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Nov 5, 2008 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's an erotic reimagining
Like “The Whizz.”
by Brendanukkah on Nov 5, 2008 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nipsey Russell approves
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 6, 2008 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rumor around town
is that Utley’s slick-backed hair style cost him votes with the under 40 crowd. Throw in the fact that the minority vote was split between Phillips and Hudson and you can see that it was a tough contest.
by jacob brumfield on Nov 5, 2008 11:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
seriously
alan is listed as a “manager” he hasn’t logged in since September 3.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 6, 2008 12:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
must be dating the coach's daughter
by jacob brumfield on Nov 6, 2008 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
by coach you mean slyde,
by daugher you mean himself,
by dating you mean being on the receving end of a Cincinnati bow tie.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 6, 2008 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
actually I heard he received a Pasty Hitler
but forgot to salute.
by jacob brumfield on Nov 6, 2008 2:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great now that BP has won the GG, Dustbrain will never never never consider moving him to SS
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.
~Dwight D. Eisenhower
by Madville on Nov 6, 2008 7:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dusty, once again crushing our dreams
“This guy works so hard,” Baker said. “He never sits down, he’s always working, taking balls off the bat, catching pop-ups over his head — which I’ve never seen anyone do in practice — and he practices like he plays and it pays off. It’s a great feeling. That first (Gold Glove) is the hardest to get and I just told him he’s got to keep working and see how many more he can get.”
That plan doesn’t include a position switch for Phillips, Baker said. Some have speculated on moving Phillips to shortstop, but that’s not something Baker’s interested in.
“Then you have to find a second baseman,” Baker said. “Why would you weaken yourself at two positions? I believe in a guy strong at one position, leave him there.”
Phillips said he’s comfortable at second base, and even though shortstop is his first love, he’s not aching to move back there.
“I miss playing shortstop, but I’m just happy to have a job,” Phillips said. “Whatever the Reds want me to do, I’ll do.”
"Yes, and it's so important in this sport that the athletes be able to train in the same location." -Cynthia Potter, NBC Synchronized Diving Analyst
by 3 Fast 3 Furious on Nov 6, 2008 8:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This line is crap
"Then you have to find a second baseman," Baker said. "Why would you weaken yourself at two positions? I believe in a guy strong at one position, leave him there."
The Reds were terrible at SS last year. Why is that better than being average at two positions? Having a great defensive 2B does not cover for terrible defense at SS, especially when you have terrible defense at 3B as well.
The whole point of suggesting the move of Phillips to SS is not that I long for Philips to play short. It’s because accepting the idea as a possibility opens the options for who the Reds can go after. If they only leave themselves open to shopping for a shortstop, then don’t be surprised if they end up with Cesar Izturis. If you’d consider moving your 2B to SS, then you nearly double the free agent pool – granted it’s still weak – but you also give yourself more choices on the trade market. Why pass up a good 2B just because you already have a 2B who could potentially play decent shortstop?
Also, moving BP to short allows Chris Valaika to try out 2B – though obviously not in the Majors next year. By all accounts, Valaika is not a very good defensive SS. He has never played a game at 2B in the minors. Why? Is it because the Reds consider themselves set at 2B?
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 6, 2008 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno.
If you’d consider moving your 2B to SS, then you nearly double the free agent pool – granted it’s still weak – but you also give yourself more choices on the trade market.
You’d think that, but the reality looks different this year.
We know the Padres are talking about moving Greene; we’ve heard from a second source that the Reds have at least sniffed around. It also now appears that Furcal is going to test the waters because the Dodgers won’t give him 4 years (I know he has health issues; what about a Magglio Ordonez-like contract?). Those are both potentially very high-quality SS.
The 2B market, on the other hand, doesn’t look nearly as good. Ellis is now off the market; it seems the Orioles will only trade Roberts for the sun and moon. Using Justin’s Total Value from last year, all of the top guys have about a 0% chance of being traded; Richie Weeks is probably the best 2B who might be available, and it’d be shocking if he were traded within the division. While Orlando Hudson is a free agent and is usually considered excellent defensively, Justin had him as one of the worst with the glove last year.
We don’t have perfect knowledge of what’s going on in the front office. Jockety may think, and Dusty may know Jockety thinks, the Reds have an excellent chance of landing either Greene (more likely, I think) or Furcal, which would make talk of moving BP moot. I’d wait to see how things play out over the next couple of weeks before passing judgement.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on Nov 6, 2008 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Given Dusty's track record
I would feel real comfortable passing judgement right now
by bengalred on Nov 6, 2008 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone heard of JJ Hardy being on the trade block?
This was a rumor months ago…apparently some stud is at AAA that the Brewers want to give some opportunity to.
by PeteyHendrix on Nov 6, 2008 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they could keep both for a year or so in the majors
But Alcides Escobar is currently hitting like crap in the Venezuelan league. He’s young and played in AA last year. My guess is he’ll start the year in AAA.
by ol Pete on Nov 6, 2008 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
probably a good call
Escobar is a pretty handy with the glove right? having two middle infielders who can hit and field well is very rare. i wouldnt trade either of them. move Weeks if you have to move anyone. or just move Hardy to 3B. or you could trade both of them to Cincy for Norris Hopper.
"If you don't get the President of the United States on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you? You're gonna have to answer to the Coca-Cola company."
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 6, 2008 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great with the glove
my idea that nobody else seems to like would be to play him for a year or two at 2nd. He’s supposed to have more range than Hardy, so have the corner guys tight to those lines.
He hit really well in AA and now he’s scuffling in Venezuela. It has to be a senorita.
by ol Pete on Nov 7, 2008 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No Greene - from John Fay
The Reds are not interested in San Diego shortstop Khalil Greene. If they obtain a shortstop, it will be a young player. “We’ve still got (Alex) Gonzalez,” Jocketty said. “If he’s not healthy, we’ve got options with (Jeff) Keppinger and (Paul) Janish. If we were able to get a 0-to-3 guy who was an upgrade, we’d consider it. Greene doesn’t make sense.”
by PeteyHendrix on Nov 6, 2008 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How are Keppinger and Janish decent options?
I don’t get it.
This place is like a sexy preschool.
by Gray on Nov 6, 2008 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my honest opinion
they arent decent options, and Walt knows this. if they were decent, Walt wouldnt be looking for a shortstop this offseason. i think he just has to back them up publicly in the event we are stuck with them as our only options next season.
say hi to your mother for me
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 6, 2008 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least CTR asked him about the position switch
considering it’s an issue that it seems like only bloggers are talking about (with the exception of Erardi’s article). You know Fay wouldn’t have even thought to ask him that.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Nov 6, 2008 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fay did ask him
or, more likely, it was a conference call
From fay:
Dusty Baker, by the way, shot down the potential move back to shortstop.
“That weakens you at two positions. The perfect situation would be for him to play both. But we’ve got to find a shortstop who’s capable.”
Dusty also says in Hal’s article:
"His range and his athleticism and his arm are special," Baker added. "He is so good he could almost be a tumbler."
If he’s so special, he should be playing a more important defensive position.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 6, 2008 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you want him to play tumbler?
I thought that Willy Mo’s job before he was traded
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 6, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
incredible
its almost painful. i mean, its obvious that Phillips would be more than happy to make the switch and knows he could perform well over there. its like all the students in class are smarter than the teacher, but no one can say anything because it would mean a week’s worth of detention.
BP – “uh, sorry to interrupt Mr. Baker, but Alan Shepard was the first American in space, not John Glenn.”
Baker – “go to the principal’s office!”
"If you don't get the President of the United States on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you? You're gonna have to answer to the Coca-Cola company."
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 6, 2008 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not that upset with Dusty about this
There are plenty of reasons to be, but not wanting to move Brandon Phillips from a position where he just won a gold glove isn’t high on the list.
When the Reds hired Dusty Baker, we knew we weren’t getting a creative manager. If he refuses to change something that obviously isn’t working (Patterson at lead off), then I don’t expect him to change something that obviously is working.
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Nov 6, 2008 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty isn't creative?
I mean look at all the things he has done. He put out some very creative lineups.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 6, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its the complete lack of creativity that upsets me
Phillips moving to shortstop is pretty low on the overall list, but it is still a symptom of the disease nonetheless.
"If you don't get the President of the United States on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you? You're gonna have to answer to the Coca-Cola company."
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 6, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Nov 6, 2008 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all up to Jocketty.
He knows if he can get a Brian Roberts or comparable, and move BP to short, the Reds are clearly better at both positions.
I just hope he’s got the cajones to pull it off (assuming he gets the deal he wants) given his managers’ numerous objections.
I think our best hope for neutralizing Dusty’s incompetence is for Jock-o to foolproof the roster for him. Dusty wouldn’t like it, but perhaps a power play between the two is the best chance to eventually send Dusty packing.
by bengalred on Nov 6, 2008 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd
I hope there’s a power play and Baker loses.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 6, 2008 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i hope there is a power play
and Baker is fired.
"If you don't get the President of the United States on that phone, you know what's gonna happen to you? You're gonna have to answer to the Coca-Cola company."
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 6, 2008 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You knew that's what I meant
You wascawwy wabbit.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 6, 2008 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope I win the Powerball
and Dusty gets set on fire.
Vote Pops in '08. I promise nothing and I'll do it!
by Pops Daniels on Nov 6, 2008 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 6, 2008 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
green'd
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 6, 2008 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
when Dusty is fired
will his replacement be any better? Would you rather have Narron, or Boone, or Knight? I am all for firing him but I can’t imagine this team will choose a better manager next time. The biggest difference between Dusty and all the other Red’s managers I’ve seen (minus Davey Johnson) is Dusty is expensive.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 7, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty sucks
We should have eaten Narron’s contract and hired Sweet Lou back. You know exactly what you’re getting with Lou, and he’s exactly what we needed: a proven winner as a player and manager who makes no bones about the fact that it’s his way or the highway, and will bench you unceremoniously if you fail to hustle.
There was only one available man whom I would have hired to be the Reds skipper going into 2008: Davey Johnson – a proven winner with multiple organizations who almost always seems to get the most out of his team’s talent.
Managers don’t impact the game between the lines tremendously. Say what you will, Dusty never used Juan Castro to pinch-hit for a power hitter. But Dusty is a foolhardy liar who disrespects us fans with his bullshit and plays favorites and hunches in the face of continuing proven failure. If he were to retire immediately, our organization would instantly improve – marginally – based solely on addition by subtraction.
by PeteyHendrix on Nov 7, 2008 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Davey Johnson is coaching Team USA, is he not?
Would he even be available?
by Brendanukkah on Nov 7, 2008 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you are right Brendan
and I saw him manage in Cuba. Yeah Cuba reference.
I don’t think he wants to come back the majors. Every team he worked for he had conflicts with the owners. I think he prefers Team USA.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 7, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want a manager who will bench players ceremoniously
garlands, oxen, incense, progression of lictors…the works.
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Nov 7, 2008 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This probably happens in the Japanese leagues
Of course, Davey Johnson would know the answer to this.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 7, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
could there be a little dance in there too?
Vote Pops in '08. I promise nothing and I'll do it!
by Pops Daniels on Nov 7, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's always about the dancing with you, isn't it?
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 7, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, it's a "Dusty's Daughter" thang
Vote Pops in '08. I promise nothing and I'll do it!
by Pops Daniels on Nov 7, 2008 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
JT Snow comes flying in from offscreen to grab her
by Brendanukkah on Nov 7, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ummm... that is racist.
Or at least, racialized.
What I mean is that black women have only a few identity positions made available to them by our society, culture, media, history and none of them seem very dignified:
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Nov 8, 2008 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And you can't forget her husband...
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Nov 8, 2008 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that Danny Glover?
"Patterson, Keppinger, Bako.... Cream of the Suck" -Slyde
by snohio on Nov 10, 2008 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think one of those is a dude
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 8, 2008 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
condi?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 8, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it's racialized.
You know, developing a sense of humor or, more specifically, some levity would really do you some good.
by Pops Daniels on Nov 8, 2008 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Although,
the Secretary of State photo is quite funny. If the entire post was the set-up to that punch line, then I retract my previous post.
by Pops Daniels on Nov 8, 2008 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to think
that my sense of humor is quite developed.
It is not that I have never found racism or sexism or homophobia or xenophobia funny. I just understand the power of jokes to make oppression comfortable and normal, and easier for the oppressor to practice, while also giving an easy escape route when the joke teller gets called on it: “it was just a joke, its no big deal.”
As for taking things too serious, sure I can be, and have been very serious at times here, but the majority of things I post these days involve playing with other people’s words and ideas, and/or Bip Roberts.
And hey, some of my best friends tell non “PC” jokes.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Nov 8, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
love it
you had me at “some of my best friends tell non "PC” jokes".
by Charlie Scrabbles on Nov 8, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
number two please
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Nov 8, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what she said.
She must be from Cleveland.
"My wife ain't never ran and got me no pheasant." - Fistbands
by BK on Nov 8, 2008 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm steamed at that comment
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Nov 9, 2008 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they are quite dignified.
Saying otherwise is racist.
by Brian B on Nov 9, 2008 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
please explain...
It is unclear to me how three of the biggest identity possibilities that black women are given these days, the sevile “black mammy, " the hyper sexualized”fly girl" in the video, or the “token” neo-conversative of color, are very dignified.
The point of my critique, going back to the, “’Dusty’s Daughter’ thang” comment, is that it was way too easy for Pop’s to infer that Dusty’s daughter was a hoe, and it was way too easy for it to be perfectly understood by us all and find it funny. It was way too easy because there is a common belief in our culture is that black women (if they are not overtly motherly or our Secretary of State) are sexually available, especially to white men. The history of the relationship is long and quite appalling.
Try some of these images next time:
Sojourner Truth
Humor can be so dangerous because it seems so innocent.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Nov 9, 2008 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Your sanctimony is boring
and your commentary is simply condescending. You seem to assume that none of us (specifically me) understands the racial dynamic in our culture. I am not a simpleton, but I owe you no explanation as to why and how. How dare you try to cast me in the light of an “oppressor” because I posted a .gif of some animated club girl and called it Dusty’s daughter. Knee jerks like yourself piss me off because you seem to ignore context and true intent. Your critique is misplaced and it, in fact, is the thing that is “too easy.” I do not require your assistance in finding the path of righteousness.
by Pops Daniels on Nov 9, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Also
People with no sense of humor always think that they have one. It’s quite a lovely delusion.
by Pops Daniels on Nov 9, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pops,
I didn’t mean to make this personal, and I apologize that it came off that way to you.
When I was talking about it being too easy to make a comment about Dusty’s daughter being a “hoe,” I was commenting more generally about how easily we are able to make that connection just based upon the fact that Dusty Baker’s daughter is a black women.
The point I am trying to make is that this is much bigger than one person or one post, this is a deeply embedded notion of race that we live, breathe, and act upon everyday. The humor of your original post stemmed from our preconceived notions of black women, notions that I think are really harmful to our society. My goal here was thus to question the perpetuation of those notions, and to try and get us to think more deeply about what those notions do in our world.
Furthermore, more than cast you in the light of oppressor, I was trying to say how we live in an oppressive culture that uses race and gender as pillars of that oppression. Whether or not you make that joke here, those pillars still exist generally in our culture. Your joke provided an entrance point to start a conversation, one that I hope will continue.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Nov 9, 2008 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i hope it ends right now
pops was just trying to be humorous, and it’s turned you into daedalus jr.
Think of me what you will...I gotta little space to fill
by chandrathan on Nov 9, 2008 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jr. Nation Sucks.
"Patterson, Keppinger, Bako.... Cream of the Suck" -Slyde
by snohio on Nov 10, 2008 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let me premise this by saying i have a great deal of respect for you
I think what you are doing in the Dominican is great. I couldn’t begin to do what you are doing. I spent 10 weeks in Cuba and couldn’t wait to see the America flag at customs. I come from a line of white civil rights workers. My grandparents protested and worked to get water and sewage lines installed in the black ghetto’s of St. Louis in the 60s and 70s. It reached the point where my mother recieved notes in her locker calling her a “nigger lover” and my grandfather was bought out of his buisness, and blacklisted in the town, and they had to move so my grandfather could find employment.
I doubt pops really believes that all black women are skanky whores or the secratary of state. He made a joke. In my opnion jokes are probably the best way to deal with race. People tend to get very nervous around the issue of race, humor lightens it up. We aren’t a very serious bunch here at redreporter. We seem to be mostly liberal people, who have an odd sense of humor. I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. If Pops were to show that to small children and say that is all that black women are, then yes it would be a problem. But I think those of us who contribute at Redreporter are old enough, smart enough, and aren’t so nieve that we think that all black women are sex objects.
Another thing about race and I will get off my soap box. There is a reason black women are pertrayed like that. Please don’t think take this as me saying all black women are like that, but the media gives us this pertrayel. When you watch “gangsta rap” videos that is how black women are betrayed. I am far from the orginator of this philosphy. The first person to really articulate this to me was a modern civil rights leader, who came to Miami when I was a high school senior and a post secondary student. He said that until blacks stop portraying themselves as gangters and ho’s they will be viewed as such.
There was somethign Mel Brooks said about why people think his politically incorrect material has such wide apeal. It is because people realize it is funny, and it is ok to laugh at it. Most people don’t thinks that just becaue you are Jewish you are a banker, accountent, or in the media. Not all gay people are shallow, flamboyent, decadent, cooks, hairdressers, interior decorators, etc, who just want to fuck all lot men. I would like to think that people know better than all black men are lazy criminals and women are nothing but sluts.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 9, 2008 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks,
I recognize that Pops doesn’t think that all black women are sex objects, but I again want to reiterate that this critique is much bigger than his dancing Dusty post. This is a deeply rooted cultural problem where women of color are systematically devalued, and given limited options for who they can be in this world.
I understand the RR culture quite well, and I am still here because I enjoy the humor and collection of different opinions about Reds baseball.
There are somethings, though, that I won’t let pass without question. I hope, however, that those moments of questioning don’t come off as condescending or self-righteous as Pop’s felt today. I hope that it is evident that this questioning comes from a place of deep concern and a genuine commitment to the practice of social change.
Finally, I want to pose the question: can we, the members of North American culture, really distance ourselves from these stereotypical notions of certain groups of people when the material reality of our world is in many ways organized around them?
To be more specific, if, as a culture, we really don’t think black people are lazy, why are we okay with the fact that black families still have the lowest median income out of any racial group in the US? If we really don’t think women are sex objects, why is a woman raped every six minutes in the US? If we really don’t think gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people are second class citizens, why are these people having to take to the streets of California as we speak to fight to preserve their right to equal treatment under the law?
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Nov 9, 2008 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I do know there are problems
trust me. At my small rural Christian college I see so many racists. I know people who are upset that a black man will be President. One of my supervisors at work this summer, a life long Democrat, hates Republicans, said he couldn’t vote for Obama, but wouldn’t explain why.
I think rape may be more about power than anything else. I believe the psyhcollogy of rape doesn’t have that much to do with sex appeal, as much as it has with an agressive man and his prey. Which is why little old women are raped. I think the issue of rape would continue no matter what strives women would take.
I think homophobia is probably the worst problem we face in our culture today. Mostly because it hasn’t even reached the tipping point yet. We are still cutting gay rights instead of helping homosexuals. It is good they are taking to the streets. That is how people get their rights in this country.
But also we have come around. The next time a woman runs for President it won’t be a novetly. The next time a black man runs for President it won’t be a novelty. There are openly gay Congressman.
I wasn’t trying to say that we don’t have cultural issues in this country. The biggest resason I am not a Republican is there bigotry is sickening. I hope that they get awya from people like Rick Santorum and move towards Chaffe. What I was trying to say is Pops made a joke. It was just that a joke. I don’t think he thinks that Dusty’s daughter is a “ho”. There are people out there that do, but you are lecturing in the wrong place.
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 9, 2008 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I really want to stress
that I am talking about structural or systemic racism here.
Peggy Mcintosh, in her article on “White Privilege” makes the statement:
“I was taught to see racism only in individual acts of meanness, not in invisible systems conferring dominance on my group”
I don’t think we have anyone here who is individually mean, I do think we are all part of a racist culture, and we should all work to change it, wherever we are.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Nov 9, 2008 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"three of the biggest identity possibilities that black women are given these days"
I don’t see how only black women are capable to achieve these three identities. I think white women are equally capable of being good cooks, beautiful, and career-oriented.
But when you cast these identities in a negative tone and assume that one is a failure if they attain either of those identifies, as you most certainly have, then that’s racist.
by Brian B on Nov 10, 2008 1:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like you may be joking.
But that’s a pretty willful misinterpretation.
Dealing with ‘harmless’ pre-conceptions based on race is over and over again something that white people of my acquaintance fail to understand.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Nov 10, 2008 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh. I accidentally rec'd this, and it won't let me undo it.
In fact, let’s just pretend this comment didn’t happen. I take it back. Ok?
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Nov 10, 2008 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute?
We can rec ourselves? That works?
Off to game the system, brb……
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 10, 2008 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ironically, now, when I try to go into actions, to unrec.
It’s all like, ARE YOU TRYING TO REC YOURSELF? SHAME.
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Nov 10, 2008 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
When I hit ‘actions’ on my comment, it just disappears. No self-rec’ing for me. I bet Slyde disabled me, that no good so and so.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 10, 2008 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yep
I also may have sold some pot to your son.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 10, 2008 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was you, okay?
HE LEARNED IT BY WATCHING YOU!
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 10, 2008 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am going out to wreck myself with my son right now
Thanks for the tip Andromache
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Nov 11, 2008 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am thinking about
what is normal in our culture and what has been historically normal in our culture.
I am thinking about how white people, particularly white men, have had pretty much limitless possibilities for who they could be and what they could become. Outside of being gay and/or effeminate white men have numerous subjectivities to choose from that are considered respectable and normal- from smart rational academic types, to tough athletes, warriors or conquerors, to artists, musicians, poets, or silly jokesters, or some combination of these and more.
In sum, white men are given the highest level of agency in our culture as a result of the identity positions made available to them. This should come as no surprise, however. It was white men who created the modern notion of race we use today to help orchestrate imperial conquest of much of the world. The creation of hierarchies based upon race and the reaffirmation of gender based inequality were two important events in the rise of the modern world.
Put simply, the common subjectivities that black women are given today are not dignified because they are not supposed to be dignified, and never were. The purpose of the creation of race as we know it was not dignity, but denigration. It is built into our modern language- denigrate, which now means to belittle, originates from the Latin, de + nigrare, meaning to blacken.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Nov 10, 2008 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now THAT'S funny
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 11, 2008 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never thought my comment would post
I assumed they had closed the thread.
"Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est."
by jch24 on Nov 11, 2008 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We’re committed to maintaining an open forum for differing viewpoints and lively debate too lazy to close it.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 11, 2008 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that that is just not as true as it once was Verka
What about Operah, Toni Morrison, Mia Angelo, Maxine Brown-Davis, G. Arlivia Gamble, Gloria R. Scott, Linda S. Greene, etc…the change in status in the business world has been long overdue but more and more and more black women are finding that the barriers have more to do with gender these days than race, There so many exciting ‘role models’ for young black women now and with Michelle Obama as first lady well need I say more….
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Nov 11, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
New role models
The problem is, every time a new successful black woman surfaces, people place that woman’s picture up there just like they did with Rice and call her another “limitation” on who young black women can become. No matter how many posibilities, people keep building walls and ceilings just so they can make a point. That’s why I find the logic behind this conversation silly.
by Brian B on Nov 12, 2008 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My biggest lesson from this
has been that talk that does not appear to be accompanied with concrete action always comes off really shallow and condescending.
For me, this is much more than stringing words to gether to make a point, and I wish I could invite you all to the organizing activities we have going here in Santo Domingo. In fact, maybe I will. Come visit our organizing school here in the DR. If you come in the next few months we can catch a winter league game or two. Juan Francisco is third in the league in homers right now with 6. Oh, but be sure to bring ear plugs.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Nov 13, 2008 8:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No,
the ear plugs are not for when you get tired of hearing me talk.
The earplugs are for the whistles, and the cowbells, and the deafening merengue music that blasts on the sound system between each pitch.
Tanzen!
by Verka Serduchka on Nov 13, 2008 8:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"more black women are finding that the barriers have more to do with gender these days than race"
I didn’t notice this line before when I read your comment, but I think this is what I was hinting at before. You’re right, it has been more of a gender issue than a race issue for women.
by Brian B on Nov 15, 2008 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would that ceremony end...
with a human sacrifice of He Who Shall Not Be Named?
by PeteyHendrix on Nov 7, 2008 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have Red Fucking Menace
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Nov 7, 2008 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you want to watch Red Skelpon
fuck Dennis the Menance?
"It is a damn poor mind indeed which can’t think of at least two ways to spell any word."-Andy Jack
by justin007000 on Nov 7, 2008 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really but Iunderstand that Red did fuck Dennis Day
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Nov 8, 2008 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations BP
You didn’t deserve it, however, because you don’t hit well enough to win a Gold Glove.
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Nov 6, 2008 11:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
He doesn’t hit well enough to be a cleanup hitter either, but he’s never let that stop him.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 6, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
True.
sigh
Hey Dusty...Are you sure you're OK? You might need an MRI.
by Paul Householder on Nov 6, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That isn't fair
It wasn’t his fault someone else penciled his name into that position every day.
by Daedalus on Nov 6, 2008 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Elias Rankings
Does anyone know where I could find the full 2008 Elias Rankings?
Last Years:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/2007-10-31-elias-rankings-complete_N.htm
Bruce Bonser? Boone Bonser? Boot Bonser? BOOSE BONZER?
by Lakeman on Nov 6, 2008 3:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Found it.
In case you’re interested..
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2008-11-05-elias-player-rankings_N.htm
Bruce Bonser? Boone Bonser? Boot Bonser? BOOSE BONZER?
by Lakeman on Nov 6, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
AL GGs
Some reasonable choices, then Michael Young’s name appears all of a sudden.
P, Mike Mussina, NYY
C, Joe Mauer, MIN
1B, Carlos Pena, TB
2B, Dustin Pedroia, BOS
3B, Adrian Beltre, SEA
SS, Michael Young, TEX
OF, Torii Hunter, LAA
OF, Grady Sizemore, CLE
OF, Ichiro Suzuki, SEA
One of these guys should win the MVP – hopefully it’s Mauer.
by ken on Nov 6, 2008 5:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what's that?
A former 2B who won a gold glove at SS….
Damnit, why couldn’t it have been someone who was actually good. Woulda made the case so much stronger. What’s funny is that Young was a terrible 2B too.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 6, 2008 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I always thought the general consensus was he a pretty good 2B, but a lousy SS that refused to move back.
Often wrong, never uncertain.
by sidnancy on Nov 6, 2008 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
terrible may be overstating it
but BP has him a pretty bad, especially in 2003 (but single season fielding stats have little meaning). ESPN had him middle of the pack in 2003 and very good in 2002.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 6, 2008 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah yeah but who's RR's MVP for 2008 ?
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.
~Dwight D. Eisenhower
by Madville on Nov 6, 2008 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's Jason Bartlett!
Woo-hoo!
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Nov 6, 2008 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who ? Who ?
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.
~Dwight D. Eisenhower
by Madville on Nov 6, 2008 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That begs the question: Who's the most defensive Red Reporter?
I’m not being defensive, you’re the one being defensive.
"You never want to give up a 7-0 lead, in your rival's ballpark, that would put them in first place. Never want to do that." - Ron Darling
by Slyde on Nov 6, 2008 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vagaries of Culture
I’m sitting here reading in my apartment while across the street a loud fraternity party is continuing apace with the requisite Jam/Boogie Band.
Same old, same old.
And then they covered M.I.A’s “Paper Planes.”
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Nov 6, 2008 8:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Something something something sitting on tracks
People Don't Kill People. Burning Couches Kill People.
by crolfer on Nov 6, 2008 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Spin "Gin and Juice" by the Gourds next, brah
Totes.
by Brendanukkah on Nov 6, 2008 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they did "pina coladas" two songs later
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Nov 6, 2008 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ooh! Alanis Morisette next!
Everybody's a jerk. You. Me. This jerk.
by andromache on Nov 6, 2008 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dunno
Went and saw my boys from Transportation
rocking to…
Tell me what you want…
My Love….
Buy the album for Rock’n’Roll Station (iTunes preview)
Steve Holst!
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Nov 7, 2008 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah that was a good moovie Bonfire of the Vagaries
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Nov 8, 2008 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shit, I watched the Browns game instead
Nobody ruin this for me, until I can watch it on DVR!
by Brendanukkah on Nov 6, 2008 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aw, man...
I was going to watch that tonight…
This place is like a sexy preschool.
by Gray on Nov 7, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Red Menace for Manager of the 2009 Reds.
This time I mean it.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Sir Winston Churchill
by Madville on Nov 7, 2008 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
College Football update
BC downs ND . . . again. The NCAA is going to have to do something about getting ND some good football players if they are also going to force us to watch them week after week.
by Brian B on Nov 9, 2008 12:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bailout!
What a picture of domestic tranquility... Hemlock on the hearth and my wife feeding the piranha.
by Man Mountain on Nov 9, 2008 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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